Dr. Xavier vs Dr. Strange

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Cosmic Flame
Strange vs Xavier. No Eye of Agamotto, no magic, no Cerebra. Who takes a straight up TP battle?

juggy#1
strange winds duh. what the hell can xavier do to strange without using his mentally powers ? he doesnt have any fighting skills or nothing. he cant do jack out of his stupid chair

Timslar
... Read more carefully. eek!

I guess I'm behind the times, but are you sure Strange has telepathy without any kind of magic?

juggy#1
Originally posted by Timslar
... Read more carefully. eek!

I guess I'm behind the times, but are you sure Strange has telepathy without any kind of magic? u talking about them fighting with there powers or hand to hand ?

long pig
Originally posted by Timslar
... Read more carefully. eek!

I guess I'm behind the times, but are you sure Strange has telepathy without any kind of magic?
He has telepathy without magic, yes.

Timslar
Me talking? It's on the original post, it's a telepath fight.

And dang, I feel bad 'cause I didn't know that. Dr.Strange is one of my favorites. Well, I'm out of here...I don't know enough to be of much help.

juggy#1
no way in hell charles can win hand to hand.

juggy#1
but yes he does have the mos powerful telepathic powers. him and white queen

long pig
Originally posted by Timslar
Me talking? It's on the original post, it's a telepath fight.

And dang, I feel bad 'cause I didn't know that. Dr.Strange is one of my favorites. Well, I'm out of here...I don't know enough to be of much help.
Argh!

Dr.Strange fans are all welcome here! big grin

Check out his respect thread!

Lord Magnus
World's most powerful telepath... not even Emma has him there.

long pig
Originally posted by Lord Magnus
World's most powerful telepath... not even Emma has him there.
Strange is his equal, if not better.

He's brought down gods in TP fights. Dormammu's sister, Umar was a victim.

Moondragon, too.

LordKaos
those battles are not straight out telepathic battles they are magical battles taking place on the astral plane, Strange has telepathic powers like any other mystic in the marvel universe, mystics seem able to astral project for longer periods of time, but natural born telepaths have an edge because everything about them is pre-wired to handle psionic energy, while a mystic has to learn to "touch" that same energy. Xaiver has been a telepath his whole life and has been training in the usage of that power before Strange even went to medical school.

long pig
Originally posted by LordKaos
those battles are not straight out telepathic battles they are magical battles taking place on the astral plane, Strange has telepathic powers like any other mystic in the marvel universe, mystics seem able to astral project for longer periods of time, but natural born telepaths have an edge because everything about them is pre-wired to handle psionic energy, while a mystic has to learn to "touch" that same energy. Xaiver has been a telepath his whole life and has been training in the usage of that power before Strange even went to medical school.
Trying to make the case that Prof X has more experience?

One of these characters spent a few thousand years fighting and using his telepathy in a war between Skyfathers, the other spent 40 years fighting other mutants.

Guess which one is Dr.Strange.

LordKaos
Strange was only able to best other telepathic foes through the use of the Eye, which he cannot use in this battle, not to mention his psychic abilities are based in magic and since he cannot use that either he'd be a regular person fighting the most powerful mutant mind ever. Strange loses.

long pig
Originally posted by LordKaos
Strange was only able to best other telepathic foes through the use of the Eye, which he cannot use in this battle, not to mention his psychic abilities are based in magic and since he cannot use that either he'd be a regular person fighting the most powerful mutant mind ever. Strange loses.
Untrue.

It's never been said that his telepathy is magic based, it's just a talent he's learned. Similar to hypnosis. And it's definatly not true that he never wins without the eye.

juggy#1
Originally posted by LordKaos
Strange was only able to best other telepathic foes through the use of the Eye, which he cannot use in this battle, not to mention his psychic abilities are based in magic and since he cannot use that either he'd be a regular person fighting the most powerful mutant mind ever. Strange loses. xavier is more powerful he can control stranges telepathic powers im sure. him and white queen. screw jean. but her boobies are nice big grin

LordKaos
He developed telepathy as part of his mystical training, he isn't a natural telepath, without mystical energy and artifacts to enhance his mental abilities he's not even in the top ten of telepathy.

long pig
Originally posted by LordKaos
He developed telepathy as part of his mystical training, he isn't a natural telepath, without mystical energy and artifacts to enhance his mental abilities he's not even in the top ten of telepathy.
Umar>Prof X
She's Dormammu's sister. She's a better telepath than Dormmamu. She gets owned in mental combat by Strange without any items to help.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2249/umar1ff.th.jpg

LordKaos
confused What the f**k? that proves what?

long pig
Originally posted by LordKaos
confused What the f**k? that proves what? Originally posted by long pig
Umar>Prof X
She's Dormammu's sister. She's a better telepath than Dormmamu. She gets owned in mental combat by Strange without any items to help.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2249/umar1ff.th.jpg

inamilist
lol, here is the wiki entry on stranges powers, ill bold the stuff on his psychic abilities

Dr. Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme of Earth; he has unparalleled mastery of the mystic arts, which he uses to defend his reality from otherworldly threats; his primary magical patrons are a group of entities known as "the Vishanti." The Vishanti are a trinity of godly beings comprised of Agamotto, Hoggoth, and Oshtur. Although he has, on rare occasions, called upon the power of the demonic Dormammu, he no longer does so. He holds an M.D. in neurosurgery, although his ability to perform such delicate tasks has been compromised due to his accident. Stephen is also an accomplished martial artist.

Dr. Strange's powers are all magical and take several forms. Several main manifestations include:

* Personal abilities. As a result of his mystic training, Stephen is capable of a great many abilities such as astral projection, telepathy, hypnotism etc. These are put in a separate category because he seems to perform these functions as a telepath would, not needing to manipulate magic to do it. These abilities can be amplified by mystic energy(as against Moondragon) and/or the Eye of Agamotto(done countless times) to afford Stephen incredibly powerful psychic abilities.

* Universal sources. By manipulating the ambient mystical energy of the universe, Dr. Strange can perform a great many functions. Commonly this is seen as mystic bolts, transmutation, telekinesis, standard shields, etc. He can also use this mystical energy to cast spells of a near infinite variety. These spells seem to be quicker to perform but lesser in power than spells using divine energy.

(Every human is capable of doing this through training, however each person has a different potential. The Ancient One saw in Stephen an incredible potential, quite likely the greatest one on Earth. This has been confirmed by various events such as in "Unthinkable" where Doctor Doom had dedicated himself to magic, but was still only a midlevel mage compared to Stephen)

* Divine sources. Dr. Strange can channel energy from countless mystical beings in countless dimensions to empower his spells. This can take the form of standard spells ("Crimson Bands of Cytorrak"wink or just stating what he wants to occur and channeling some being to make it happen. It is unknown at this time what debt, if any, he incurs by invoking the powers that be. There is no quid pro quo, though some entities will feel he is obliged to heed their call when they need help in their conflicts as did the Vishanti.

* By sheer force of will "take" the power of another entity. This does not require the use of a spell. He used this ability against Arioch and Shuma-Gorath during the Strange Tales Volume 2 run. The fact that Stephen can do this is a testament to his incredible will-power and strength of mind. This is considered black magic and as such he rarely employs this. Also when taking the powers of celestial entities he absorbs the mind and assumes their duties and roles in the dimension in which they exist. If his will falters, he can lose all sense of self.

Strange's own power is often amplified by the numerous magical artifacts that are in his possession or by artifacts that he uses in the course of his adventures. The two artifacts he carries with him at all times are the Eye of Agamotto and the Cloak of Levitation.

* The Eye of Agamotto is a powerful and valued artifact that has many functions. Using the Eye, Strange can see through any lie, deception or illusion and free others from their own illusions. It is often used to amplify his mind's eye giving psychic abilities that rival the most powerful of telepaths. It is also often used to play back an area's past events and open dimensional portals. Evil can hardly withstand its light and it is often used as a weapon of last resort.

* The Cloak of Levitation allows him to fly without using any magic. It responds to his thoughts as if it were part of him. Dr. Strange has used it many times as a "third set of hands" to attack a foe when his own body has been incapacitated. The cloak is nearly indestructable. It often escapes damage even during the most violent confrontations.

Other artifacts include the Amulet of Agamotto which functions much like the Eye, the Orb of Agamotto, which he uses daily to monitor the surrounding dimensions for trouble, the Wind of Watoomb, which amplifies his power, and the Book of Vishanti, which contains some of the multiverse's most powerful and secret spells and counter spells. There are countless other artifacts that he owns that can be brought out in times of need.

Note that some other (non-human) sorcerers, such as Dr. Strange's former apprentice/wife Clea, have an additional source of power. Clea naturally generates mystical energy, which she can then use (or, it is assumed, 'lend' to supplicants calling on her). When the Vishanti asked him to fight as a soldier in the War of the Seven Spheres, and refused to allow him to call upon them when he declined, Dr. Strange briefly tapped into this type of energy by immersing himself within the Earth's mystical Gaian aura. However, this energy source was exhausted in his service to the Vishanti during his service in their five thousand year war. His refusal prior to the deal resulted in the Vishanti abandoning him in his role as the Sorcerer Supreme. After doing without the Vishanti's help in protecting Earth, he finally acceded to their demands that he fight for them, but only if they promised to return him to the place in time when he entered their service, and not 5000 years hense at the conclusion of the battle.

For a brief period, research from the Vishanti library led Dr. Strange to tap into catastrophe magic by invoking a syzygy of all the planets, but this source of magic was limited and he ceased using it specifically as a source of his power.

The mansion where Dr. Strange lives, his Sanctum Sanctorum, is located at 177A Bleecker Street, Greenwich Village, New York City, New York, which was the actual address of the apartment building in which the writer of the series lived at the time the story was published. The mansion is almost a magical entity unto itself now that Dr. Strange has embued it with all sorts of spells mostly protective, but some can be pro-active. It has been used as a way to attack Dr. Strange several times, by Umar most notably.

Doctor Strange's magic has shown the ability to effect even the most powerful of entities, leading many to believe Dr. Strange is Marvel's most powerful Earth-based superhero.

long pig
Originally posted by inamilist
lol, here is the wiki entry on stranges powers, ill bold the stuff on his psychic abilities

Dr. Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme of Earth; he has unparalleled mastery of the mystic arts, which he uses to defend his reality from otherworldly threats; his primary magical patrons are a group of entities known as "the Vishanti." The Vishanti are a trinity of godly beings comprised of Agamotto, Hoggoth, and Oshtur. Although he has, on rare occasions, called upon the power of the demonic Dormammu, he no longer does so. He holds an M.D. in neurosurgery, although his ability to perform such delicate tasks has been compromised due to his accident. Stephen is also an accomplished martial artist.

Dr. Strange's powers are all magical and take several forms. Several main manifestations include:

* Personal abilities. As a result of his mystic training, Stephen is capable of a great many abilities such as astral projection, telepathy, hypnotism etc. These are put in a separate category because he seems to perform these functions as a telepath would, not needing to manipulate magic to do it. These abilities can be amplified by mystic energy(as against Moondragon) and/or the Eye of Agamotto(done countless times) to afford Stephen incredibly powerful psychic abilities.

* Universal sources. By manipulating the ambient mystical energy of the universe, Dr. Strange can perform a great many functions. Commonly this is seen as mystic bolts, transmutation, telekinesis, standard shields, etc. He can also use this mystical energy to cast spells of a near infinite variety. These spells seem to be quicker to perform but lesser in power than spells using divine energy.

(Every human is capable of doing this through training, however each person has a different potential. The Ancient One saw in Stephen an incredible potential, quite likely the greatest one on Earth. This has been confirmed by various events such as in "Unthinkable" where Doctor Doom had dedicated himself to magic, but was still only a midlevel mage compared to Stephen)

* Divine sources. Dr. Strange can channel energy from countless mystical beings in countless dimensions to empower his spells. This can take the form of standard spells ("Crimson Bands of Cytorrak"wink or just stating what he wants to occur and channeling some being to make it happen. It is unknown at this time what debt, if any, he incurs by invoking the powers that be. There is no quid pro quo, though some entities will feel he is obliged to heed their call when they need help in their conflicts as did the Vishanti.

* By sheer force of will "take" the power of another entity. This does not require the use of a spell. He used this ability against Arioch and Shuma-Gorath during the Strange Tales Volume 2 run. The fact that Stephen can do this is a testament to his incredible will-power and strength of mind. This is considered black magic and as such he rarely employs this. Also when taking the powers of celestial entities he absorbs the mind and assumes their duties and roles in the dimension in which they exist. If his will falters, he can lose all sense of self.

Strange's own power is often amplified by the numerous magical artifacts that are in his possession or by artifacts that he uses in the course of his adventures. The two artifacts he carries with him at all times are the Eye of Agamotto and the Cloak of Levitation.

* The Eye of Agamotto is a powerful and valued artifact that has many functions. Using the Eye, Strange can see through any lie, deception or illusion and free others from their own illusions. It is often used to amplify his mind's eye giving psychic abilities that rival the most powerful of telepaths. It is also often used to play back an area's past events and open dimensional portals. Evil can hardly withstand its light and it is often used as a weapon of last resort.

* The Cloak of Levitation allows him to fly without using any magic. It responds to his thoughts as if it were part of him. Dr. Strange has used it many times as a "third set of hands" to attack a foe when his own body has been incapacitated. The cloak is nearly indestructable. It often escapes damage even during the most violent confrontations.

Other artifacts include the Amulet of Agamotto which functions much like the Eye, the Orb of Agamotto, which he uses daily to monitor the surrounding dimensions for trouble, the Wind of Watoomb, which amplifies his power, and the Book of Vishanti, which contains some of the multiverse's most powerful and secret spells and counter spells. There are countless other artifacts that he owns that can be brought out in times of need.

Note that some other (non-human) sorcerers, such as Dr. Strange's former apprentice/wife Clea, have an additional source of power. Clea naturally generates mystical energy, which she can then use (or, it is assumed, 'lend' to supplicants calling on her). When the Vishanti asked him to fight as a soldier in the War of the Seven Spheres, and refused to allow him to call upon them when he declined, Dr. Strange briefly tapped into this type of energy by immersing himself within the Earth's mystical Gaian aura. However, this energy source was exhausted in his service to the Vishanti during his service in their five thousand year war. His refusal prior to the deal resulted in the Vishanti abandoning him in his role as the Sorcerer Supreme. After doing without the Vishanti's help in protecting Earth, he finally acceded to their demands that he fight for them, but only if they promised to return him to the place in time when he entered their service, and not 5000 years hense at the conclusion of the battle.

For a brief period, research from the Vishanti library led Dr. Strange to tap into catastrophe magic by invoking a syzygy of all the planets, but this source of magic was limited and he ceased using it specifically as a source of his power.

The mansion where Dr. Strange lives, his Sanctum Sanctorum, is located at 177A Bleecker Street, Greenwich Village, New York City, New York, which was the actual address of the apartment building in which the writer of the series lived at the time the story was published. The mansion is almost a magical entity unto itself now that Dr. Strange has embued it with all sorts of spells mostly protective, but some can be pro-active. It has been used as a way to attack Dr. Strange several times, by Umar most notably.

Doctor Strange's magic has shown the ability to effect even the most powerful of entities, leading many to believe Dr. Strange is Marvel's most powerful Earth-based superhero.
ahaha

Give me the link...whoever wrote that deserves a dollar.

juggy#1
1 peso id say

LordKaos
Point is mystics all tend to use mystical energy to amp any ability they have, without the use of magic Strange loses.

long pig
Strange isn't all mystics. He doesn't need magic to win a TP fight. When it comes down to it, all that is needed is experience, ability and will power.

Strange has all three in spades.

Strange is X's equal or superior in a simple TP fight. He is his clear superior in a TP fight involving having it boosted by energy.

LordKaos
There would be nothing simple about a telepathic fight involving either of them. It also takes telepathy to fight in tp battle. Xaiver also has experience, ability and will power, he also has a mutant gene that backs him up. I'm willing to bet if Stranges dark side was unleashed it would not become a senient being without some kind of incantation of course.

long pig
But Strange has more of it. Mutant genes don't matter at all. Most TPs aren't mutant....you do know that, right?


If Strange's dark side was ever unleashed it would do more than attempt to take over a planet.

inamilist
Originally posted by long pig
ahaha

Give me the link...whoever wrote that deserves a dollar.

lol, its wikipedia

www.wikipedia.com

it has really good bios on most comic heros/villains out there...

probably not as good as the comics themselves, but nothing is

inamilist
Originally posted by inamilist

* By sheer force of will "take" the power of another entity. This does not require the use of a spell. He used this ability against Arioch and Shuma-Gorath during the Strange Tales Volume 2 run. The fact that Stephen can do this is a testament to his incredible will-power and strength of mind. This is considered black magic and as such he rarely employs this. Also when taking the powers of celestial entities he absorbs the mind and assumes their duties and roles in the dimension in which they exist. If his will falters, he can lose all sense of self.

i missed this one

i think this kinda seals Prof. X's fate smile

Psycho Ninja
Did you remember what his mind caused........... ONSALUGHT !!!

Can Strange create somethin like that just based on TP ??

long pig
Originally posted by Psycho Ninja
Did you remember what his mind caused........... ONSALUGHT !!!

Can Strange create somethin like that just based on TP ??
Probably, yeah.

There is a very, very good reason why Xavier is called the "greatest mutant telepath on Earth". That reason is because Strange isn't a mutant.

The dude is uber in any mental aspect. I'm not overrating him, it's just the simple truth.

Psycho Ninja
Well...... whats Strange's greatest MENTAL construct ??

LordKaos
Stranges greatest mental construct is the illusion that he has cast over our reality, that makes people think he's a more powerful telepath than Xaiver, without magic.

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