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What i want to do is look at Thor and Superman in a diffrent light.. Going by the Marvel handbook power rating scale. Marvel has a scale of 1 - 7 that they use to rate powers or abilitys, the higher the number the more powerful in that catagory. You tell me what you feel SUPERMAN's power rating should be if your going by the Marvel handbook power rating scale. THOR's ratings are there as an example to help you.

In the Marvel handbook: The power ratings of THOR are:
Intelligence.. rating of 2 ...meaning Normal
Strength..... rating of 7 ....meaning Incalcuable, in excess of 100 tons
Speed........ rating of 7 ....meaning Warp sped, transcending light speed
Durability.... rating of 6 ....meaning Superhuman
Energy Projection..rating of 6 .....meaning able to discharge multiple forms of energy
Fighting Skill ........rating of 4 ......meaning experienced fighter



In the Marvel handbook: The power rating of SUPERMAN are:
Intelligence ...........?....is what, you tell me.
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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What the ratings mean for each catagory.


Intelligence : ability to think and process information.
Rating of 1. Slow/impaired
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Leanded
Rating of 4. Gifted
Rating of 5. Genius
Rating of 6. Super-Genius
Rating of 7. Omniscient
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Strength: Ability to left weight.
Rating of 1. Weak, can not lift own body weight
Rating of 2. Normal, able to lift own body weight
Rating of 3. Peak human, bale to lift twice own body weight
Rating of 4. Superhuman: 800 lbs - 25 ton range
Rating of 5. Superhuman: 25 - 75 ton range
Rating of 6. Superhuman: 75 - 100 ton range
Rating of 7. Incalcuable : In excess of 100 tons
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Speed: Ability to move over land by running or flight.
Rating of 1. Below normal
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Superhuman: peak range of 700 MPH
Rating of 4. Speed of sound: Mach-1
Rating of 5. Supersonic: Mach-2 through Orbital velocity
Rating of 6. Speed of light
Rating of 7 Warp speed :Transcending light speed
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Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury.
Rating of 1. Weak
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Enhanced
Rating of 4. Regenerative
Rating of 5. Bulletproof
Rating of 6. Superhuman
Rating of 7 Virtually indestructible
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Energy Projection: Ability to dicharge energy.
Rating of 1. None
Rating of 2. Ability to discharge energy on contact
Rating of 3. Short range, Short Duration, single energy type
Rating of 4. Medium range, Medium duration, Single energy type
Rating of 5. Long range , long duration , Single energy type
Rating of 6. Able to discharge multiple forms of energy
Rating of 7. Virtually unlimited command of all forms of energy
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Fighting Skill: Proficiency in hand to hand combat.
Rating of 1. Poor skills
Rating of 2. Normal Skills
Rating of 3. Some training
Rating of 4. Experienced fighter
Rating of 5. Master of a single form of combat
Rating of 6. Master of seveal forms of combat
Rating of 7. Master of all forms of combat

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Based on the ratings you give above... I'd have to say:

Intelligence: 6
Strength: 7
Speed: 7
Durability: 7
Energy Projection: 5
Fighting Skill: 4

You think Superman is a super-genius? Doom, Reed and Thanos all have 6/7 for intelligence, I wouldn't put Superman on the same level as those guys...

He is monst DEFINITELY a super-genius. Not quite to the ridiculous extent of pre-crisis days, but he can still learn a new language in seconds, has a perfect memory, is a master of sciences etc etc.

Originally posted by Wally West
You think Superman is a super-genius? Doom, Reed and Thanos all have 6/7 for intelligence, I wouldn't put Superman on the same level as those guys... Superman is a super genius. The Kryptonian Tech is far beyond Earth, in fact, it's so far beyond Earth tech that some of it is purely regarded as 'magic'. A large part of villains he beats, he beats by outsmarting. Some of his rogues gallery are far too powerful to punch out. He knows EVERY Earth language. By looking a an object, he can calculate exact mathematical trajectory, circumference, and density. Or even it's melting point.

Despite that, I think Super-Genius applies to old pre-crisis days, when the writers let him do anything. Gifted or genius is more realistic for him, now. I don't see him coming up with great scientific advances or weapondry, like a Reed Richards.

What about using this scale, from a Thor website? These are Thor's stats:

Intelligence: Above Normal (5/10)
Strength: Superhuman Class 100 (11/12)
Speed: Superhuman (6/10)
Flight Speed: Unrevealed, probably Escape Velocity (9/12)
Stamina: Godlike (9/10)
Durability: Metahuman (9/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)

Only thing off is strength. He should be a twelve; in the same list, Hercules and Beta Ray Bill are Twelve.

Category explanations:

Intelligence: Ability to think
1 - Non-Sentient: instinctual behavior only
2 - Learning Impaired: major mental deficiencies
3 - Below Normal: minor mental deficiencies
4 - Normal: possessing an intelligence quotient that is approximately average
5 - Above Normal: possessing a significantly higher than average IQ
6 - Gifted: possessing a significantly higher than average IQ and creative talents
7 - Genius: possessing an extremely high IQ and creative talents
8 - Extraordinary Genius: possessing genius in multiple intellectual areas
9 - Superhuman: possessing genius in virtually all intellectual areas
10 - Immeasurable: alien, omniscient

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Strength: Ability to lift weight above one's head with arms fully extended
1 - Below Normal: cannot lift one's own body weight
2 - Normal: able to lift one's own body weight
3 - Athlete: able to lift from one's own body weight up to double one's own body weight
4 - Peak Human: able to lift double one's own body weight to 800 pound range
5 - Enhanced Human: able to lift in the 800 pound to 2 ton range
6 - Superhuman Class 10: able to lift in the 2 to 10 ton range
7 - Superhuman Class 25: able to lift in the 10 to 25 ton range
8 - Superhuman Class 50: able to lift in the 25 to 50 ton range
9 - Superhuman Class 75: able to lift in the 50 to 75 ton range
10 - Superhuman Class 90: able to lift in the 75 to 90 ton range
11 - Superhuman Class 100: able to lift in the 90 to 100 ton range
12 - Incalculable: able to lift in excess of 100 tons

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Speed: Ability to move over land by running
1 - Below Normal: cannot attain 3-5 miles per hour
2 - Normal: peak range: 6-10 miles per hour
3 - Athlete: peak range: 11-20 miles per hour
4 - Peak Human: peak range: 21-35 miles per hour
5 - Enhanced Human: peak range: 36-65 miles per hour
6 - Superhuman: peak range: 111-115 miles per hour
7 - Subsonic: peak range: 250-500 miles per hour
8 - Speed of Sound: able to reach Mach 1: 770 miles per hour at sea level
9 - Supersonic: peak range: Mach 2 to Mach 4.6: .22-1 miles per second
10 - Orbital Velocity: peak range: Mach 18.7 to Mach 23.3: 1-5 miles per second; when a runner reaches this speed he is no longer in contact with the ground and thus not running

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Flight Speed: Ability to move through open air or space by flying
1 - Hover only
2 - Directed Motion Hovering: peak range: 10-30 miles per hour
3 - Natural Winged Flight Limit: peak range: 150-160 miles per hour
4 - Artificial Winged Flight: peak limit: 160-200 miles per hour
5 - Subsonic: peak range: 250-500 miles per hour
6 - Speed of Sound: able to reach Mach 1: 770 miles per hour; .22 miles per second
7 - Supersonic: peak range: Mach 2 to Mach 4.6: .22-1 miles per second
8 - Orbital Velocity: peak range: Mach 18.7 to Mach 23.3: 1-5 miles per second
9 - Escape Velocity: Mach 32.7: 7 miles per second
10 - Sub-light Speed: peak range: 80% - 99.65% light speed: 150,000 to 185,620 miles per second
11 - Light Speed: 186,000 miles per second, cannot be attained by physical beings within Earth's atmosphere
12 - Warp Speed: able to enter and traverse through warp space by transcending light speed, cannot be attained by physical beings within Earth's atmosphere

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Water Speed: Ability to move through water by swimming (NOTE: 1 knot=1.151 miles per hour)
1 - Normal: peak range: 3-5 knots
2 - Athlete: peak range: 7-12 knots
3 - Peak Human: peak range: 12-15 knots
4 - Enhanced Human: peak range: 20-25 knots
5 - Superhuman: peak range: 50-60 knots
6 - Maximum: around 700 knots, detrimental environmental effects will occur, causing water to convert to plasma, etc

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Stamina: Ability to sustain peak exertion before fatigue impairs performance
1 - Below Normal: unable to sustain for 1 minute
2 - Normal: able to sustain for 1 minute
3 - Athlete: able to sustain for several minutes
4 - Peak Human: able to sustain for up to an hour
5 - Enhanced Human: able to sustain for several hours
6 - Superhuman: able to sustain for up to a day
7 - Metahuman: able to sustain for several days
8 - Demi-godlike: able to sustain for weeks
9 - Godlike: able to sustain almost indefinitely
10 - Immeasurable: never tire due to self-generating energy

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Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury or disease
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal: average resilience
3 - Athlete: conditioned metabolism enabling efficient healing
4 - Peak Human: conditioned metabolism enabling extraordinarily efficient healing
5 - Enhanced Human: skin, bone, and muscle augmented to make it stronger and harder than human; impervious to injury to a certain extent
6 - Enhanced Human Regenerative: skin, bone, and muscle retains human durability but body is able to heal near-lethal injuries by regenerating cells to a limited extent
7 - Superhuman: skin, bone, and muscle augmented to make it stronger and harder than human; impervious to injury to an extraordinary extent
8 - Superhuman Regenerative: able to regenerate injured tissue and brain cells to an extraordinary degree; but not able to regenerate missing limbs or organs
9 - Metahuman: able to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, and virtually all toxins, corrosives, punctures, and concussions without sustaining injury
10 - Metahuman Regenerative: able to regenerate injured or missing brain cells, tissue, limbs or organs
11 - Demi-godlike: able to withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion
12 - Demi-godlike Regenerative: able to heal all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion
13 - Godlike: able to reconstitute body after total molecular disintegration
14 - Totally Indestructible: absolutely cannot be injured

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Agility: Ability to move the body with flexibility and coordination
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal
3 - Athlete
4 - Peak Human
5 - Enhanced Human: beyond the natural limits of the human body
6 - Superhuman: significantly beyond the natural limits of the human body
7 - Metahuman: extraordinarily beyond the natural limits of the human body

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Reflexes: Reaction time
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal
3 - Athlete
4 - Peak Human
5 - Enhanced Human: beyond the natural limits of the human body
6 - Superhuman: virtually instantaneous
7 - Metahuman: instantaneous

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
He is monst DEFINITELY a super-genius. Not quite to the ridiculous extent of pre-crisis days, but he can still learn a new language in seconds, has a perfect memory, is a master of sciences etc etc. he would be 4/7. Most 5 or 6/7s are inventors and rich guys. E.g., Tony Stark, Batman, and Lex Luthor. Superman doesn't invent that much. I'd give him

Int.: 4
Str: 7
Spd: 7
Dur: 6 (regarding Thor's durability level on marvel.com)
E.P.- 6
F.S.: 4

Now if you follow that list the same one Thors on I would put Superman like this
Superman's file
Intelligence: Gifted (6/10)
Strength: Incalculable (12/12)
Speed: Orbital Velocity (10/10)
Flight Speed: Lightspeed (11/12)
Stamina: Godlike (9/10)
Durability: Demi-godlike Regenerative (12/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)

Originally posted by golem370
Now if you follow that list the same one Thors on I would put Superman like this
Superman's file
Intelligence: Gifted (6/10)
Strength: Incalculable (12/12)
Speed: Orbital Velocity (10/10)
Flight Speed: Lightspeed (11/12)
Stamina: Godlike (9/10)
Durability: Demi-godlike Regenerative (12/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)

Gotta agree with this one, his strength is incalculable, speed is immense, he is gifted that much can be said about his intelligence, "Super" man is a power house.

Superman

Strength: 7
Intelligences: 4
Energy Projection: 5 ( single form of energy, long duration)
Mental Powers:1
Speed: 5 (earth's atmosphere), 6 (in outer space)
Durability: 6
Stamina: 6
Fighting ability: 4

Originally posted by DrDoom101
he would be 4/7. Most 5 or 6/7s are inventors and rich guys. E.g., Tony Stark, Batman, and Lex Luthor. Superman doesn't invent that much. I'd give him

Int.: 4
Str: 7
Spd: 7 5 earth's atomsphere, 6 in space
Dur: 6 (regarding Thor's durability level on marvel.com)
E.P.- 6
F.S.: 4


7 is war-speed man what the hell are you smoking.

Originally posted by roughrider
What about using this scale, from a Thor website? These are Thor's stats:

Intelligence: Above Normal (5/10)
Strength: Superhuman Class 100 (11/12)
Speed: Superhuman (6/10)
Flight Speed: Unrevealed, probably Escape Velocity (9/12)
Stamina: Godlike (9/10)
Durability: Metahuman (9/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)

Only thing off is strength. He should be a twelve; in the same list, Hercules and Beta Ray Bill are Twelve.

Category explanations:

Intelligence: Ability to think
1 - Non-Sentient: instinctual behavior only
2 - Learning Impaired: major mental deficiencies
3 - Below Normal: minor mental deficiencies
4 - Normal: possessing an intelligence quotient that is approximately average
5 - Above Normal: possessing a significantly higher than average IQ
6 - Gifted: possessing a significantly higher than average IQ and creative talents
7 - Genius: possessing an extremely high IQ and creative talents
8 - Extraordinary Genius: possessing genius in multiple intellectual areas
9 - Superhuman: possessing genius in virtually all intellectual areas
10 - Immeasurable: alien, omniscient

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Strength: Ability to lift weight above one's head with arms fully extended
1 - Below Normal: cannot lift one's own body weight
2 - Normal: able to lift one's own body weight
3 - Athlete: able to lift from one's own body weight up to double one's own body weight
4 - Peak Human: able to lift double one's own body weight to 800 pound range
5 - Enhanced Human: able to lift in the 800 pound to 2 ton range
6 - Superhuman Class 10: able to lift in the 2 to 10 ton range
7 - Superhuman Class 25: able to lift in the 10 to 25 ton range
8 - Superhuman Class 50: able to lift in the 25 to 50 ton range
9 - Superhuman Class 75: able to lift in the 50 to 75 ton range
10 - Superhuman Class 90: able to lift in the 75 to 90 ton range
11 - Superhuman Class 100: able to lift in the 90 to 100 ton range
12 - Incalculable: able to lift in excess of 100 tons

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Speed: Ability to move over land by running
1 - Below Normal: cannot attain 3-5 miles per hour
2 - Normal: peak range: 6-10 miles per hour
3 - Athlete: peak range: 11-20 miles per hour
4 - Peak Human: peak range: 21-35 miles per hour
5 - Enhanced Human: peak range: 36-65 miles per hour
6 - Superhuman: peak range: 111-115 miles per hour
7 - Subsonic: peak range: 250-500 miles per hour
8 - Speed of Sound: able to reach Mach 1: 770 miles per hour at sea level
9 - Supersonic: peak range: Mach 2 to Mach 4.6: .22-1 miles per second
10 - Orbital Velocity: peak range: Mach 18.7 to Mach 23.3: 1-5 miles per second; when a runner reaches this speed he is no longer in contact with the ground and thus not running

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Flight Speed: Ability to move through open air or space by flying
1 - Hover only
2 - Directed Motion Hovering: peak range: 10-30 miles per hour
3 - Natural Winged Flight Limit: peak range: 150-160 miles per hour
4 - Artificial Winged Flight: peak limit: 160-200 miles per hour
5 - Subsonic: peak range: 250-500 miles per hour
6 - Speed of Sound: able to reach Mach 1: 770 miles per hour; .22 miles per second
7 - Supersonic: peak range: Mach 2 to Mach 4.6: .22-1 miles per second
8 - Orbital Velocity: peak range: Mach 18.7 to Mach 23.3: 1-5 miles per second
9 - Escape Velocity: Mach 32.7: 7 miles per second
10 - Sub-light Speed: peak range: 80% - 99.65% light speed: 150,000 to 185,620 miles per second
11 - Light Speed: 186,000 miles per second, cannot be attained by physical beings within Earth's atmosphere
12 - Warp Speed: able to enter and traverse through warp space by transcending light speed, cannot be attained by physical beings within Earth's atmosphere

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Water Speed: Ability to move through water by swimming (NOTE: 1 knot=1.151 miles per hour)
1 - Normal: peak range: 3-5 knots
2 - Athlete: peak range: 7-12 knots
3 - Peak Human: peak range: 12-15 knots
4 - Enhanced Human: peak range: 20-25 knots
5 - Superhuman: peak range: 50-60 knots
6 - Maximum: around 700 knots, detrimental environmental effects will occur, causing water to convert to plasma, etc

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Stamina: Ability to sustain peak exertion before fatigue impairs performance
1 - Below Normal: unable to sustain for 1 minute
2 - Normal: able to sustain for 1 minute
3 - Athlete: able to sustain for several minutes
4 - Peak Human: able to sustain for up to an hour
5 - Enhanced Human: able to sustain for several hours
6 - Superhuman: able to sustain for up to a day
7 - Metahuman: able to sustain for several days
8 - Demi-godlike: able to sustain for weeks
9 - Godlike: able to sustain almost indefinitely
10 - Immeasurable: never tire due to self-generating energy

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Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury or disease
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal: average resilience
3 - Athlete: conditioned metabolism enabling efficient healing
4 - Peak Human: conditioned metabolism enabling extraordinarily efficient healing
5 - Enhanced Human: skin, bone, and muscle augmented to make it stronger and harder than human; impervious to injury to a certain extent
6 - Enhanced Human Regenerative: skin, bone, and muscle retains human durability but body is able to heal near-lethal injuries by regenerating cells to a limited extent
7 - Superhuman: skin, bone, and muscle augmented to make it stronger and harder than human; impervious to injury to an extraordinary extent
8 - Superhuman Regenerative: able to regenerate injured tissue and brain cells to an extraordinary degree; but not able to regenerate missing limbs or organs
9 - Metahuman: able to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, and virtually all toxins, corrosives, punctures, and concussions without sustaining injury
10 - Metahuman Regenerative: able to regenerate injured or missing brain cells, tissue, limbs or organs
11 - Demi-godlike: able to withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion
12 - Demi-godlike Regenerative: able to heal all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion
13 - Godlike: able to reconstitute body after total molecular disintegration
14 - Totally Indestructible: absolutely cannot be injured

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Agility: Ability to move the body with flexibility and coordination
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal
3 - Athlete
4 - Peak Human
5 - Enhanced Human: beyond the natural limits of the human body
6 - Superhuman: significantly beyond the natural limits of the human body
7 - Metahuman: extraordinarily beyond the natural limits of the human body

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Reflexes: Reaction time
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal
3 - Athlete
4 - Peak Human
5 - Enhanced Human: beyond the natural limits of the human body
6 - Superhuman: virtually instantaneous
7 - Metahuman: instantaneous


These stats are bull shit. Marvel stats are fine.

Originally posted by the Darkone
7 is war-speed man what the hell are you smoking. Thor's speed is 7/7. He is about as quick as Superman

Originally posted by the Darkone
Superman

Strength: 7
Intelligences: 4
Energy Projection: 5 ( single form of energy, long duration)
Mental Powers:1
Speed: 5 (earth's atmosphere), 6 (in outer space)
Durability: 6
Stamina: 6
Fighting ability: 4 so you're saying Human Torch and Ironman are equal in speed with Superman in earth's atmosphere?

I say

Strength: 7
Intelligence: 4
Speed: 6
Durabiltiy: 6
Engery Projection: 5
Fighting Skill: 4

Originally posted by the Darkone
These stats are bull shit. Marvel stats are fine.

I disagree . I think Marvel stats are 'Bull shit' .... those stats from the Thor website, where marvels original raiting system !

Speed stat - running over land, using the Thor site, would be 8 or 9/10. Before Wally found the speed force, he was just short of Mach 1. He and Superman had a race around the world, organized by Mr. Mxyzptlk. Just once around, it was a big strain on both, before Wally won at the finish line. Has Supes received a significant upgrade in his running speed since then? If not, he's an 8 or 9.

Using that site, my Superman stats:

Intelligence: 8/10 Extraordinary Genius
Strength: 12/12 Incalculable
Speed: 9/10 Supersonic
Flight Speed: 11/12 Light Speed
Stamina: 8/10 Demi-Godlike
Durability: 12/14 Demi-Godlike Regenerative
Agility: 6/7 Superhuman
Reflexes: 6/7 Superhuman

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Based on the ratings you give above... I'd have to say:

Intelligence: 6
Strength: 7
Speed: 7
Durability: 7
Energy Projection: 5
Fighting Skill: 4

to get a 7 for speed he has to be able to teleport or warp like the Surfer

Superman is a 6 for speed

and if Thor gets a 4 for fighting skill after thousands of years of training and fighting Superman is only a 3 possibly 2

Originally posted by roughrider
Speed stat - running over land, using the Thor site, would be 8 or 9/10. Before Wally found the speed force, he was just short of Mach 1. He and Superman had a race around the world, organized by Mr. Mxyzptlk. Just once around, it was a big strain on both, before Wally won at the finish line. Has Supes received a significant upgrade in his running speed since then? If not, he's an 8 or 9.
He has. In a recent "race" with the Flash Supes was running at 2000 miles per second which I believe is his top running feat. Post Crisis anyway.

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Based on the ratings you give above... I'd have to say:

Intelligence: 6
Strength: 7
Speed: 7
Durability: 7
Energy Projection: 5
Fighting Skill: 4
I'd agree with this except I'd give him a 5 for Intelligence.

Originally posted by The Ion
I'd agree with this except I'd give him a 5 for Intelligence.


he can't get a 7 for speed without teleportation abilities or flight speed far, far, far beyond light speed

Originally posted by Scoobless
he can't get a 7 for speed without teleportation abilities or flight speed far, far, far beyond light speed

So the Flash would be a 6? Doesn't sound right to me ?

Are you drunk ?

That's why I like the other ratings system. More numbers and levels; speed is put in two categories, etc.
A running feat for Supes like you just mentioned Ion, sounds impossible in an atmosphere. But, this is the Marvel Universe; DC Universe has different physics, perhaps.
Or, it's all just comic book science anyway...

Originally posted by roughrider
That's why I like the other ratings system. More numbers and levels; speed is put in two categories, etc.
A running feat for Supes like you just mentioned Ion, sounds impossible in an atmosphere. But, this is the Marvel Universe; DC Universe has different physics, perhaps.
Or, it's all just comic book science anyway...

What systems ?

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Based on the ratings you give above... I'd have to say:

Intelligence: 6
Strength: 7
Speed: 7
Durability: 7
Energy Projection: 5
Fighting Skill: 4 I agree with that. But I even don't know if I would give him a 6 in intell.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
So the Flash would be a 6?

yup, unless the flash can open a portal and step from one end of the galaxy to the other he's a 6 at best

Originally posted by Scoobless
yup, unless the flash can open a portal and step from one end of the galaxy to the other he's a 6 at best

Sounds like a stupid system to me !

Originally posted by Scoobless
yup, unless the flash can open a portal and step from one end of the galaxy to the other he's a 6 at best Gladiator is a 7 in speed and he cannot teleport.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Gladiator is a 7 in speed and he cannot teleport.

but he can move at 100 times the speed of light

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
but he can move at 100 times the speed of light I think there is more to the 100x SOL story than what people say.

Didn't Supes fly to the Sun kick some @ss and back then fly back in less than 2 minutes?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think there is more to the 100x SOL story than what people say.

Didn't Supes fly to the Sun kick some @ss and back then fly back in less than 2 minutes?

that's 8 times lightspeed at most

the 100x lightspeed quote came from Reed Richards tracking Gladiator's movement though space... it may not have even been his max speed

Originally posted by Scoobless
that's 8 times lightspeed at most

the 100x lightspeed quote came from Reed Richards tracking Gladiator's movement though space... it may not have even been his max speed He was blasted out of a huge explosion that would have destroyed the galaxy.

Like I said another time a piece of shrapnel from a small @ss grenade can go right through a human with ease.

Gladiator did gain control but he was boosted from the explosion.

Originally posted by Scoobless
that's 8 times lightspeed at most

the 100x lightspeed quote came from Reed Richards tracking Gladiator's movement though space... it may not have even been his max speed

Or Byrne was smoking crack .... Glads is currently nowhere near as fast , he needed the uni power to catch up with a tidal wave.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Or Byrne was smoking crack .... Glads is currently nowhere near as fast , he needed the uni power to catch up with a tidal wave.

yeah.... that story was retarded

Superman can fly at warp speed.

He is doing it right here. Bending space and slowing down time is warp speed.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Superman can fly at warp speed.

He is doing it right here. Bending space and slowing down time is warp speed.

slowing time is light speed

if he went warp speed inside a solar system..... well he would have completely overshot the sun

Warp speed just means beyond light. It says so right in the handbook. Supes gets a 7. Flash gets a 7. Gladiator gets a 7.

Originally posted by The Ion
Warp speed just means beyond light. It says so right in the handbook. Supes gets a 7. Flash gets a 7. Gladiator gets a 7.

it says "Transcends light speed" that's different from being able to go light speed or just beyond it.... Surfer, Thor and Quasar Transcend lightspeed, Superman does not

Quasar showing how crap lightspeed is when you have to cross serious distances

1. http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/9855/quasarquantumjump18tm.jpg
2. http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/2905/quasarquantumjump29os.jpg

Supes going 8x lightspeed while fighting no less isn't "just beyond".

Flash outracing Death to the end of time not good enough for a 7? There is no cap on his speed.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Superman can fly at warp speed.

He is doing it right here. Bending space and slowing down time is warp speed.

No its isn't .... Thats time dilation, it happens when an object approaches the speed of light (See special relativity) .... Warp speed is when you change a section of space by expanding it at the back and contracting it in front, while attached to it. This makes it seem like you are travelling at faster than light speeds, when you are really just moving the locations ! Hyper space is when you enter another dimension to get to another point at F.T.L speeds !

This is how i see Superman's power ratings.

SUPERMAN:
In the Marvel handbook The power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...5
Fighting Skill ..........3

vs

THOR:
In the Marvel handbook power ratings are:
Intelligence............2
Strength............... 7
Speed.................. 7
Durability.............. 6
Energy Projection....6
Fighting Skill ..........4



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What the ratings mean for each catagory.


Intelligence : ability to think and process information.
Rating of 1. Slow/impaired
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Leanded
Rating of 4. Gifted
Rating of 5. Genius
Rating of 6. Super-Genius
Rating of 7. Omniscient
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Strength: Ability to left weight.
Rating of 1. Weak, can not lift own body weight
Rating of 2. Normal, able to lift own body weight
Rating of 3. Peak human, bale to lift twice own body weight
Rating of 4. Superhuman: 800 lbs - 25 ton range
Rating of 5. Superhuman: 25 - 75 ton range
Rating of 6. Superhuman: 75 - 100 ton range
Rating of 7. Incalcuable : In excess of 100 tons
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Speed: Ability to move over land by running or flight.
Rating of 1. Below normal
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Superhuman: peak range of 700 MPH
Rating of 4. Speed of sound: Mach-1
Rating of 5. Supersonic: Mach-2 through Orbital velocity
Rating of 6. Speed of light
Rating of 7 Warp speed :Transcending light speed
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Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury.
Rating of 1. Weak
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Enhanced
Rating of 4. Regenerative
Rating of 5. Bulletproof
Rating of 6. Superhuman
Rating of 7 Virtually indestructible
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Energy Projection: Ability to dicharge energy.
Rating of 1. None
Rating of 2. Ability to discharge energy on contact
Rating of 3. Short range, Short Duration, single energy type
Rating of 4. Medium range, Medium duration, Single energy type
Rating of 5. Long range , long duration , Single energy type
Rating of 6. Able to discharge multiple forms of energy
Rating of 7. Virtually unlimited command of all forms of energy
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Fighting Skill: Proficiency in hand to hand combat.
Rating of 1. Poor skills
Rating of 2. Normal Skills
Rating of 3. Some training
Rating of 4. Experienced fighter
Rating of 5. Master of a single form of combat
Rating of 6. Master of seveal forms of combat
Rating of 7. Master of all forms of combat

Originally posted by DrDoom101
Thor's speed is 7/7. He is about as quick as Superman


Becasue Thor's hammer open portals that' why he is 7/7 in speed, full potential he is 6/7 in earths atomsphere.

Originally posted by Malo
This is how i see Superman's power ratings.

SUPERMAN:
In the Marvel handbook The power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................7 are you smoking
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...5
Fighting Skill ..........3

vs

Thor:
In the Marvel handbook power ratings are:
Intelligence............2
Strength............... 7
Speed.................. 7
Durability.............. 6
Energy Projection....6
Fighting Skill ..........4



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What the ratings mean for each catagory.


Intelligence : ability to think and process information.
Rating of 1. Slow/impaired
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Leanded
Rating of 4. Gifted
Rating of 5. Genius
Rating of 6. Super-Genius
Rating of 7. Omniscient
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Strength: Ability to left weight.
Rating of 1. Weak, can not lift own body weight
Rating of 2. Normal, able to lift own body weight
Rating of 3. Peak human, bale to lift twice own body weight
Rating of 4. Superhuman: 800 lbs - 25 ton range
Rating of 5. Superhuman: 25 - 75 ton range
Rating of 6. Superhuman: 75 - 100 ton range
Rating of 7. Incalcuable : In excess of 100 tons
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Speed: Ability to move over land by running or flight.
Rating of 1. Below normal
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Superhuman: peak range of 700 MPH
Rating of 4. Speed of sound: Mach-1
Rating of 5. Supersonic: Mach-2 through Orbital velocity
Rating of 6. Speed of light
Rating of 7 Warp speed :Transcending light speed
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Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury.
Rating of 1. Weak
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Enhanced
Rating of 4. Regenerative
Rating of 5. Bulletproof
Rating of 6. Superhuman
Rating of 7 Virtually indestructible
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Energy Projection: Ability to dicharge energy.
Rating of 1. None
Rating of 2. Ability to discharge energy on contact
Rating of 3. Short range, Short Duration, single energy type
Rating of 4. Medium range, Medium duration, Single energy type
Rating of 5. Long range , long duration , Single energy type
Rating of 6. Able to discharge multiple forms of energy
Rating of 7. Virtually unlimited command of all forms of energy
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Fighting Skill: Proficiency in hand to hand combat.
Rating of 1. Poor skills
Rating of 2. Normal Skills
Rating of 3. Some training
Rating of 4. Experienced fighter
Rating of 5. Master of a single form of combat
Rating of 6. Master of seveal forms of combat
Rating of 7. Master of all forms of combat


Superman is not a 7/7 in speed my god, he is 5/7 in earths atmosphere, in space 6/7 light speed not warp speed. Why Thor has 7/7 because his hammer opens portals to other dimension that's why. Thor is 5/7 in earths atmosphere but he is 6/7 in space traveling 3x the speed of light.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
No its isn't .... Thats time dilation, it happens when an object approaches the speed of light (See special relativity) .... Warp speed is when you change a section of space by expanding it at the back and contracting it in front, while attached to it. This makes it seem like you are travelling at faster than light speeds, when you are really just moving the locations ! Hyper space is when you enter another dimension to get to another point at F.T.L speeds ! There is no evidence to prove anything you just said.

When was the last time a object went 50% the SOL? It's all theories. Don't try and bring real life science in comics.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Superman is not a 7/7 in speed my god, he is 5/7 in earths atmosphere, in space 6/7 light speed not warp speed. Why Thor has 7/7 because his hammer opens portals to other dimension that's why. Thor is 5/7 in earths atmosphere but he is 6/7 in space traveling 3x the speed of light.
Does Jeph Loeb Supes count?

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/368/009supermanbatman013rembrandtd.th.jpg http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/707/010supermanbatman013rembrandtd.th.jpg

Originally posted by The Ion
Does Jeph Loeb Supes count?

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/368/009supermanbatman013rembrandtd.th.jpg http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/707/010supermanbatman013rembrandtd.th.jpg



He had a boom tube.

Originally posted by the Darkone
He had a boom tube. Thor has a hammer.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Thor has a hammer.

Superman can take the S off his chest and throw it at thor. Take that god of thunder!

the s is a peice of cloth.....

Originally posted by UltimateIronman
the s is a peice of cloth..... I think it was a reference to the Superman movie where he did that to one of the other Kryptonians.

This thread is a numbers game, and as we all know superman is better at math than thor. Super-mathmatics and all. See attached image. I know this argument doesn't make sense, but it doesn't matter. In the immortal words of our fellow forum member "Superman doesn't need powers to win, he just does."

http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/2.html

oops

The only math Thor would care about is how many more barrels of mead he could drink, before Superman is passed out under Sif, thinking she was Lois in chain mail.

Originally posted by Juntai
I think it was a reference to the Superman movie where he did that to one of the other Kryptonians.

That never happened. And if it did, it's like he said - piece of cloth.