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Going by the Marvel handbook power rating scale. Marvel has a scale of 1 - 7 that they use to rate powers or abilitys, the higher the number the more powerful in that catagory. You tell me what you feel the JLA's power rating's should be if your going by the Marvel handbook power rating scale.


You rate the JLA, By useing Marvels power scale.


Batman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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Superman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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Green Lantern, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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Wonder Woman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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Martian Manhunter, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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Flash, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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Aquaman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?



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What the ratings mean for each catagory.


Intelligence : ability to think and process information.
Rating of 1. Slow/impaired
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Leanded
Rating of 4. Gifted
Rating of 5. Genius
Rating of 6. Super-Genius
Rating of 7. Omniscient
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Strength: Ability to left weight.
Rating of 1. Weak, can not lift own body weight
Rating of 2. Normal, able to lift own body weight
Rating of 3. Peak human, bale to lift twice own body weight
Rating of 4. Superhuman: 800 lbs - 25 ton range
Rating of 5. Superhuman: 25 - 75 ton range
Rating of 6. Superhuman: 75 - 100 ton range
Rating of 7. Incalcuable : In excess of 100 tons
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Speed: Ability to move over land by running or flight.
Rating of 1. Below normal
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Superhuman: peak range of 700 MPH
Rating of 4. Speed of sound: Mach-1
Rating of 5. Supersonic: Mach-2 through Orbital velocity
Rating of 6. Speed of light
Rating of 7 Warp speed :Transcending light speed
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Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury.
Rating of 1. Weak
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Enhanced
Rating of 4. Regenerative
Rating of 5. Bulletproof
Rating of 6. Superhuman
Rating of 7 Virtually indestructible
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Energy Projection: Ability to dicharge energy.
Rating of 1. None
Rating of 2. Ability to discharge energy on contact
Rating of 3. Short range, Short Duration, single energy type
Rating of 4. Medium range, Medium duration, Single energy type
Rating of 5. Long range , long duration , Single energy type
Rating of 6. Able to discharge multiple forms of energy
Rating of 7. Virtually unlimited command of all forms of energy
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Fighting Skill: Proficiency in hand to hand combat.
Rating of 1. Poor skills
Rating of 2. Normal Skills
Rating of 3. Some training
Rating of 4. Experienced fighter
Rating of 5. Master of a single form of combat
Rating of 6. Master of seveal forms of combat
Rating of 7. Master of all forms of combat

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Going by the Marvel handbook power rating scale. Marvel has a scale of 1 - 7 that they use to rate powers or abilitys, the higher the number the more powerful in that catagory.


Going by Marvel power scale, here are the official power rateings of the Avengers.


Cap.America, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........3
Strength ...............3
Speed ..................2
Durability ..............3
Energy Projection ...1
Fighting Skill ..........7
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Thor, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........2
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...6
Fighting Skill ..........4
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Quasar, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........3
Strength ...............2
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............3
Energy Projection ...5
Fighting Skill ..........3
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She Hulk, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........3
Strength ...............6
Speed ..................2
Durability ..............5
Energy Projection ...1
Fighting Skill ..........3
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Vision, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............4
Speed ..................3
Durability ..............5
Energy Projection ...4
Fighting Skill ..........3
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Wonder Man, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............6
Speed ..................4
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...1
Fighting Skill ..........2
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Iron Man, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........6
Strength ...............6
Speed ..................5
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...6
Fighting Skill ..........3



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What the ratings mean for each catagory.


Intelligence : ability to think and process information.
Rating of 1. Slow/impaired
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Leanded
Rating of 4. Gifted
Rating of 5. Genius
Rating of 6. Super-Genius
Rating of 7. Omniscient
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Strength: Ability to left weight.
Rating of 1. Weak, can not lift own body weight
Rating of 2. Normal, able to lift own body weight
Rating of 3. Peak human, bale to lift twice own body weight
Rating of 4. Superhuman: 800 lbs - 25 ton range
Rating of 5. Superhuman: 25 - 75 ton range
Rating of 6. Superhuman: 75 - 100 ton range
Rating of 7. Incalcuable : In excess of 100 tons
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Speed: Ability to move over land by running or flight.
Rating of 1. Below normal
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Superhuman: peak range of 700 MPH
Rating of 4. Speed of sound: Mach-1
Rating of 5. Supersonic: Mach-2 through Orbital velocity
Rating of 6. Speed of light
Rating of 7 Warp speed :Transcending light speed
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Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury.
Rating of 1. Weak
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Enhanced
Rating of 4. Regenerative
Rating of 5. Bulletproof
Rating of 6. Superhuman
Rating of 7 Virtually indestructible
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Energy Projection: Ability to dicharge energy.
Rating of 1. None
Rating of 2. Ability to discharge energy on contact
Rating of 3. Short range, Short Duration, single energy type
Rating of 4. Medium range, Medium duration, Single energy type
Rating of 5. Long range , long duration , Single energy type
Rating of 6. Able to discharge multiple forms of energy
Rating of 7. Virtually unlimited command of all forms of energy
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Fighting Skill: Proficiency in hand to hand combat.
Rating of 1. Poor skills
Rating of 2. Normal Skills
Rating of 3. Some training
Rating of 4. Experienced fighter
Rating of 5. Master of a single form of combat
Rating of 6. Master of seveal forms of combat
Rating of 7. Master of all forms of combat

while you're at it rate Goku SSJ4 and Goku at the end of GT.

thanks

Batman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........7
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............7
Energy Projection ...7
Fighting Skill ..........7
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Superman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........5
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................6 (on Earth)
Durability ..............7
Energy Projection ...5
Fighting Skill ..........3
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Green Lantern, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............2
Speed ..................6
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...7
Fighting Skill ..........4
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Wonder Woman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................6
Durability ..............7
Energy Projection ...1
Fighting Skill ..........7
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Martian Manhunter, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........5
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................5
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...5
Fighting Skill ..........4
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Flash, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........3
Strength ...............2
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............4
Energy Projection ...1 (though apparently he can do Speed Force constructs...) Possibly 3
Fighting Skill ..........3
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Aquaman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............6
Speed ..................4
Durability ..............5
Energy Projection ...4 (not really sure on his hand's capabilities)
Fighting Skill ..........4

Batman gets all 7's cuz he rules the omniverse. When in his human form, he's probably all like:

Batman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........6
Strength ...............3
Speed ..................2
Durability ..............3
Energy Projection ...1
Fighting Skill ..........7

Originally posted by Dizzle
Batman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........7
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............7
Energy Projection ...7
Fighting Skill ..........7
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Superman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........5
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................6 (on Earth)
Durability ..............7
Energy Projection ...5
Fighting Skill ..........3
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Green Lantern, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............2
Speed ..................6
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...7
Fighting Skill ..........4
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Wonder Woman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................6
Durability ..............7
Energy Projection ...1
Fighting Skill ..........7
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Martian Manhunter, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........5
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................5
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...5
Fighting Skill ..........4
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Flash, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........3
Strength ...............2
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............4
Energy Projection ...1 (though apparently he can do Speed Force constructs...) Possibly 3
Fighting Skill ..........3
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Aquaman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............6
Speed ..................4
Durability ..............5
Energy Projection ...4 (not really sure on his hand's capabilities)
Fighting Skill ..........4

Batman gets all 7's cuz he rules the omniverse. When in his human form, he's probably all like:

Batman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........6
Strength ...............3
Speed ..................2
Durability ..............3
Energy Projection ...1
Fighting Skill ..........7

Going by the the JLA/Avengers crossover and considering we're rating these characters wiv a Marvel ratings system i disagree wiv your strength ratings for MM and WonderW. I think they should be 6

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Going by the the JLA/Avengers crossover and considering we're rating these characters wiv a Marvel ratings system i disagree wiv your strength ratings for MM and WonderW. I think they should be 6

So wait a moment, Abomination who has never performed a feat in his life, except get beaten up by the Hulk, should be higher than two characters who have helped pull the earth ????????

Don't make me list Wonder Woman's feats, she is above Thor IMO.

Even according to the crossover she was gaining the advantage against Herc, who is also listed as a level 7, and bests stated that she always won the arm wrestling fights against Wonderman, who is a High level 6! The M.M can amp his strength to Superman levels for extended periods of time there fore is at least a level 7!!!!!!!!!!

Also it never says 'Going by the the JLA/Avengers crossover and considering we're rating these characters wiv a Marvel ratings system '

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Going by the the JLA/Avengers crossover and considering we're rating these characters wiv a Marvel ratings system i disagree wiv your strength ratings for MM and WonderW. I think they should be 6


A 6!?

Less than a 7.

Actually the funniest thing is rating the premier DC characters based on the MArvel system. The thing is (I've said it before and I'll say it again), that DC characters are simply not on the same rating scale as Marvel Characters.
In terms of strength the only character that comes near Superman/WonderWoman/MartianManhunter levels is the Hulk, and that is in the older writings where he is lifting a 150 billion ton mountain and such stuff (and even then one has to consider that the CURRENT versions of Supes, MM, and WW can mover 24.7 quintillion tons each).

Oh, and it is interesting that GS (who I respect BTW ....just saying) stated that he (I believe it is a he) thinks that WonderWoman and Martian Manhunter should be rated as a 6 in strength.
As a SIX.

What is crazy about that is that Iron Man is rated as .....yep, you got it .....a SIX.

Thus we are to take the strength levels of Iron Man and WW/MM as the same?
Come on!

The Marvel power system will simply not work for most DC characters, and the DC pwoer system (IF they had one) wouldn't work for most MArvel characters (apart from select ones like Silver Surfer, the Hulk .....when he is TRULY mad, and Quasar).

And what is the problem with the Marvel ratings.
Ok, let's say we accept GS's argument that WonderWoman and the MArtian Manhunter are at level 6 ....the same level as Iron Man .....meaning they can lift between 75-100 tons.
Ok, as I said on another thread, the weight of a US Army M1A2 Abrams SEP (SEP stands for system enhancement program) Main Battle Tank (MBT) is 69.5 tons.
69.5 tons.
Thus, a character with a rating of 6 could only lift ONE Abrams MBT! One of them.
WonderWoman regularly lifts objects that weight in the hundreds of thousands of tons (eg oil tankers), and then there is that moon thing.

But let us forget all of that for now ......and let us look at the Avengers.
You said the following above:

"Going by the the JLA/Avengers crossover ........"

Ok, I will use the JLA/Avengers crossover to make my points. Thus I will forget, for now, WonderWoman moving 24.7 quintillion tons and just stick to that one crossover.

1) In the JLA/Avengers crossover (whether cannon or not) it shows who was facing up against Iron Man.
It was Aquaman.
If MM and WW are around Iron Man level strength, then why in goodness name was Aquaman even messing around with Tony?
Here is a scan:
http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img161&image=jlaavengers213gx.jpg

2) In that Crossover WonderWoman was trapped in a light construct by Quasar. Totally surrounded in a bubble.
Well, WonderWoman shatters the Q-field like it was a joke.
Here is a scan:
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sconstructs7tx.jpg

3) In the Cross over Wonderwoman gets to tangle with Hercules (note: Marvel's version, who is rated by Marvel as a SEVEN). Now, WonderWoman (who you claim should be a SIX) totally manhandles Hercules.
She makes him look like a chump!
Here is one scan, and below it another:
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlaavengers2wwherc37mn.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlaavengers2wwherc43an.jpg

Anyways, that is based on the JLA vs Avenger comic that you were stating. Based on that comic, and without even looking at anything else Diana has ever done, shows that she is NOT at a 6.
After all she is punking a 7 according to Marvel's stats.

The thing I like about that particular comic is that it shows just how different the stats are between Marvel and DC. This is where Superman tells a shocked Thor the following (middle of the scan):

http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlaavengers2wwstandsuptotriple.jpg

Now, if you want to see the closest DC comes to 'ratings' then the following will have to suffice.
Compare the ratings for WonderWoman with those for Superman.

WonderWoman ratings:
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=countdowntoinfinitecrisis12013.jpg

Superman ratings:
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=countdowntoinfinitecrisis01200.jpg

Originally posted by spetznaz
A 6!?

Less than a 7.

Actually the funniest thing is rating the premier DC characters based on the MArvel system. The thing is (I've said it before and I'll say it again), that DC characters are simply not on the same rating scale as Marvel Characters.
In terms of strength the only character that comes near Superman/WonderWoman/MartianManhunter levels is the Hulk, and that is in the older writings where he is lifting a 150 billion ton mountain and such stuff (and even then one has to consider that the CURRENT versions of Supes, MM, and WW can mover 24.7 quintillion tons each).

Oh, and it is interesting that GS (who I respect BTW ....just saying) stated that he (I believe it is a he) thinks that WonderWoman and Martian Manhunter should be rated as a 6 in strength.
As a SIX.

What is crazy about that is that Iron Man is rated as .....yep, you got it .....a SIX.

Thus we are to take the strength levels of Iron Man and WW/MM as the same?
Come on!

The Marvel power system will simply not work for most DC characters, and the DC pwoer system (IF they had one) wouldn't work for most MArvel characters (apart from select ones like Silver Surfer, the Hulk .....when he is TRULY mad, and Quasar).

And what is the problem with the Marvel ratings.
Ok, let's say we accept GS's argument that WonderWoman and the MArtian Manhunter are at level 6 ....the same level as Iron Man .....meaning they can lift between 75-100 tons.
Ok, as I said on another thread, the weight of a US Army M1A2 Abrams SEP (SEP stands for system enhancement program) Main Battle Tank (MBT) is 69.5 tons.
69.5 tons.
Thus, a character with a rating of 6 could only lift ONE Abrams MBT! One of them.
WonderWoman regularly lifts objects that weight in the hundreds of thousands of tons (eg oil tankers), and then there is that moon thing.

But let us forget all of that for now ......and let us look at the Avengers.
You said the following above:

"Going by the the JLA/Avengers crossover ........"

Ok, I will use the JLA/Avengers crossover to make my points. Thus I will forget, for now, WonderWoman moving 24.7 quintillion tons and just stick to that one crossover.

1) In the JLA/Avengers crossover (whether cannon or not) it shows who was facing up against Iron Man.
It was Aqua man.
If MM and WW are around Iron Man level strength, then why in goodness name was Aqua man even messing around with Tony?
Here is a scan:
http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?loc=img161&image=jlaavengers213gx.jpg

2) In that Crossover WonderWoman was trapped in a light construct by Quasar. Totally surrounded in a bubble.
Well, WonderWoman shatters the Q-field like it was a joke.
Here is a scan:
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sconstructs7tx.jpg

3) In the Cross over Wonderwoman gets to tangle with Hercules (note: Marvel's version, who is rated by Marvel as a SEVEN). Now, WonderWoman (who you claim should be a SIX) totally manhandles Hercules.
She makes him look like a chump!
Here is one scan, and below it another:
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlaavengers2wwherc37mn.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlaavengers2wwherc43an.jpg

Anyways, that is based on the JLA vs Avenger comic that you were stating. Based on that comic, and without even looking at anything else Diana has ever done, shows that she is NOT at a 6.
After all she is punking a 7 according to Marvel's stats.

The thing I like about that particular comic is that it shows just how different the stats are between Marvel and DC. This is where Superman tells a shocked Thor the following (middle of the scan):

http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlaavengers2wwstandsuptotriple.jpg

Now, if you want to see the closest DC comes to 'ratings' then the following will have to suffice.
Compare the ratings for WonderWoman with those for Superman.

WonderWoman ratings:
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=countdowntoinfinitecrisis12013.jpg

Superman ratings:
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=countdowntoinfinitecrisis01200.jpg

Excellent Post .... It not only shows the distance between marvel and D.C.! it shows that G.S.'s original statement;

'Going by the the JLA/Avengers crossover and considering we're rating these characters wiv a Marvel ratings system i disagree wiv your strength ratings for MM and Wonder. I think they should be 6'

is total bull crap.

The crossover made it very clear that both wonder Woman and M.M, are above Marvels traditional Level 6 characters. Aqua man was shown (on several occasions) to be on their level, and we know that W.W. and M.M are far stronger than Aqua man.

There is one point i do want to clarify, .... I disagree with the notion that Level 6 characters are unable to lift 100 tons. Recent H.B.'s have depicted characters as Level 6, and made reference to them lifting WELL over 100 tons. Take for example Ultimate Colossus recent bio. It notes him at level 6, and states him as being able to lift thousands of tons. Namor is regularly seen lifting thousands of tons, and yet he has always been depicted at level 6 or class 85. Characters such as the Thing and Wonder man have also demonstrated (on several occasions) the ability to lift WELL over 100 tons.

IMO Level 6 means that the character has shown limits to their strength, where as level 7 characters can be as strong as the story needs them to be, hence the lack of consistency.

Hulk, Thor and Immortal Hercules has all shown strength levels in coherence with their stories (i.e the lifting of the Midgard Serpent and the 150 Billion ton mountain.) As you have already noted this was an attribute of older comics, therefore characters rarely ever demonstrate such enormous strength nowadays.

Didn't look at anyone else's because I didn't want to be influenced.... I gave everyone at least a 3 in Fighting Skill, because if nothing else I figure Batman would have shown them a few moves....

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Batman:

Intelligence: 6
Strength: 3
Speed: 2
Durability: 2
Energy: 1
Fighting Skill: 7

Superman:

Intelligence: 2
Strength: 7
Speed: 6
Durability: 7
Energy: 6
Fighting Skill: 3

Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)

Intelligence: 2
Strength: 2
Speed: 6
Durability: 6
Energy: 6
Fighting Skill: 3

Wonder Woman

Intelligence: 2
Strength: 7
Speed: 6
Durability: 6
Energy: 1
Fighting Skill: 7

Martian Manhunter

Intelligence: 4
Strength: 7
Speed: 6
Durability: 6
Energy: 5
Fighting Skill: 3

Flash (Wally West)

Intelligence: 2
Strength: 2
Speed: 7
Durability: 4
Energy: 1
Fighting Skill: 3

Aquaman

Intelligence: 3
Strength: 6
Speed: 5
Durability: 5
Energy: 7
Fighting Skill: 7

Here are some other ones.... woo....

Deathstroke:

Intelligence: 6
Strength: 4
Speed: 3
Durability: 4
Energy: 1
Fighting Skills: 7

Nightwing:

Intelligence: 5
Strength: 3
Speed: 2
Durability: 2
Energy Projection: 1
Fighting Skills: 7

Starfire:

Intelligence: 2
Strength: 6
Speed: 5
Durability: 6
Energy Projection: 5
Fighting Skills: 5

Changeling/Beast Boy

Intelligence: 2
Strength: Varies, Max 6
Speed: Varies, Max 3
Durability: 4 (he could always turn into a worm and grow stuff back...)
Energy: 1 (unless there's an animal that shoots ray beams...)
Fighting Skills: 3

Cyborg

Intelligence: 5
Strength: 6
Speed: 3
Durability: 5
Energy: 5
Fighting Skills: 3

Raven:

Intelligence: 5
Strength: 2
Speed: 3
Durability: 2
Energy Projection: 5
Fighting Skill: 3

Oliver Queen

Intelligence: 2
Strength: 2
Speed: 2
Durability: 2
Energy Projection: 1
Fighting Skill: 6

Connor Hawk

Intelligence: 2
Strength: 3
Speed: 3
Durability: 2
Energy Projection: 1
Fighting Skill: 7

Green Lantern (Kyle Raynor)

Intelligence: 2
Strength: 2
Speed: 6
Durability: 6
Energy Projection: 7
Fighting Skill: 3

Lion-O

Intelligence: 3
Strength: 4
Speed: 3
Durability: 3
Energy Projection: 3 (I'm pretty sure his sword could shoot something...)
Fighting Skills: 6

Son Goku

Intelligence: 1 (early head injury as a child! W00!)
Strength: 7
Speed: 6
Durability: 6
Energy: 5
Fighting Skill: 7

Robocop:

Intelligence: 3
Strength: 4
Speed: 2
Durability: 5
Energy Projection: 1
Fighting Skills: 5 (marksmanship counts!)

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Clone Wars/Episode III)

Intelligence: 3
Strength: 2
Speed: 3
Durability: 2
Energy Projection: 3
Fighting Skill: 6

How does GL not get a 7 in speed? They can warp space. Kyle flew from Earth to the Source Wall in a few panels during The Final Night. Durability should be a 7 too. Pfft.

Read the description at the top. It measures speed "over land." That is, how fast the character would be in an atmosphere over terrestrial ground. While the GLs COULD perhaps rip through space at faster-than-light speeds, they never do so in atmosphere.

Neither does Thor or Silver Surfer or anyone else in Marvel with a 7 for speed. Stats and handbooks don't measure what they do on a daily basis, they measure what they CAN do.

kyle seems to vary a lot in comics. your most likly right ion But I thought the same as piedmon on kyle.

as for other aurguments I think DC fans need to realize is that most people get confused with the dc charters power levels. Like me I have a few dc graphic novels (i'm mainly a marvel fan but I like DC too) and most of mine show DC charters lifting a moon in one panel and going down by getting hit by a rocket the next. (not an acutal example I'm just summerizing) so to me I can't tell where they are in power levels. If it's between the two then I would say malo and piedmon are pretty close.

Batman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........5
Strength ...............4 (shown to lift 1000 lbs.)
Speed ..................2
Durability ..............3 (man has GOT to have some sort of healing factor)
Energy Projection ...1
Fighting Skill ..........6
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Superman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........6
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................6 (on Earth)
Durability ..............7
Energy Projection ...5
Fighting Skill ..........3
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Green Lantern, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............7 (ring enhancement)
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............7
Energy Projection ...7
Fighting Skill ..........4
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Wonder Woman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........5
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................6
Durability ..............7
Energy Projection ...3 (Hestia's Flames; potential 7 with the Godwave)
Fighting Skill ..........7
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Martian Manhunter, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........6
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................5
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...5
Fighting Skill ..........5
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Flash, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........3 (potential 5 by using Speed Force)
Strength ...............2 (potential 7 using Speed Force)
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............5
Energy Projection ....5 (using Speed Force energy attacks and kinetics)
Fighting Skill ..........3
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Aquaman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............6
Speed ..................4 (on land) 5 (underwater)
Durability ..............5
Energy Projection ...7 (now wields the Trident of Poseidon)
Fighting Skill ..........5 (Atlanteanese combat form)

Superman
Intel:2
Str:7
Spd:5
Dur:7
Enrgy:1
Fght:4

Flash
Intel:2
Str:2
Spd:7(off charts(really).)
Dur:2
Fght:7(becuase of his speed attacks.he beat braniac once cause af that)

Batman
Int:7
Str:2
Spd:3(hes quick on his gadgets)
Dur:2
enrgy:2
Fght:7

Wonderwoman

contineud

wonderwoman:
intel:2
Str:7
Spd:3
Dur:6
engy:1
Fight:4

GL
Intel:3
Str:2
Spd:5or6(5and a half)
Engy:7
Dur:2
Fght:5

Aquaman
Intel:2
Str:3
Spd:3
Dur:5
Enrgy:5
Fght:7

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
So wait a moment, Abomination who has never performed a feat in his life, except get beaten up by the Hulk, should be higher than two characters who have helped pull the earth ????????

Don't make me list Wonder Woman's feats, she is above Thor IMO.

Even according to the crossover she was gaining the advantage against Herc, who is also listed as a level 7, and bests stated that she always won the arm wrestling fights against Wonderman, who is a High level 6! The M.M can amp his strength to Superman levels for extended periods of time there fore is at least a level 7!!!!!!!!!!

Also it never says 'Going by the the JLA/Avengers crossover and considering we're rating these characters wiv a Marvel ratings system '

You dont need to list her feats because i read Wonder woman and have been doing so for quite some time, however i stand by my original statement. Going by performance in that canon crossover, the only on panel reference we have to measure how the characters would fare against each other (and very important considering we're rating the DC characters with a Marvel ratings system), Wonder woman should not be a 7.


If we were to simply ignore that reference as youre doing then you would be right, she would be a 7.

Originally posted by Draco69
Batman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........5
Strength ...............4 (shown to lift 1000 lbs.)
Speed ..................2
Durability ..............3 (man has GOT to have some sort of healing factor)
Energy Projection ...1
Fighting Skill ..........6
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Superman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........6
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................6 (on Earth)
Durability ..............7
Energy Projection ...5
Fighting Skill ..........3
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Green Lantern, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............7 (ring enhancement)
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............7
Energy Projection ...7
Fighting Skill ..........4
___________________________________
Wonder Woman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........5
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................6
Durability ..............7
Energy Projection ...3 (Hestia's Flames; potential 7 with the Godwave)
Fighting Skill ..........7
_____________________________________
Martian Manhunter, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........6
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................5
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...5
Fighting Skill ..........5
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Flash, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........3 (potential 5 by using Speed Force)
Strength ...............2 (potential 7 using Speed Force)
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............5
Energy Projection ....5 (using Speed Force energy attacks and kinetics)
Fighting Skill ..........3
_______________________________________
Aquaman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............6
Speed ..................4 (on land) 5 (underwater)
Durability ..............5
Energy Projection ...7 (now wields the Trident of Poseidon)
Fighting Skill ..........5 (Atlanteanese combat form)

You been far to generous with the durability, I doubt even Superman is a level 7 durability ..... Neither the Surfer or Count Nefaria are level 7's and Nefaria is immortal ! As Adam Whore lock explained, you cant be a level 7 durability with a weakness of some kind, and Superman has two ! Wonder woman, G.L are certainly not level 7's in durability !

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You dont need to list her feats because i read Wonder woman and have been doing so for quite some time, however i stand by my original statement. Going by performance in that canon crossover, the only on panel reference we have to measure how the characters would fare against each other (and very important considering we're rating the DC characters with a Marvel ratings system), Wonder woman should not be a 7.


If we were to simply ignore that reference as youre doing then you would be right, she would be a 7.

Even with reference to the crossover i still think she is still a level 7, Spetznaz has shown various examples to demonstrate this ! you could make a case for the M.M. being a level 6 has he didn't really demonstrate his physical attributes in any of the four books !

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
You been far to generous with the durability, I doubt even Superman is a level 7 durability ..... Neither the Surfer or Count Nefaria are level 7's and Nefaria is immortal ! As Adam Whore lock explained, you cant be a level 7 durability with a weakness of some kind, and Superman has two ! Wonder woman, G.L are certainly not level 7's in durability !

The consensus for durability is the Marvel scale is: "Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury." Superman IS virtually indestructible with weaknesses to kryptonite and magic. Keyword: virtually. Wonder Woman IS virtually indestructible to most attacks barring for some stupid reason sharp things with sufficent velocity. Keyword: virtually.

GL without his shields or ring for that matter is of course as vulnerable as any human. GL WITH his ring (that intiates auto-shields) IS virtually indestructible (except with stupid writers) because not many things can get through it. Not even a Big Bang.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Even with reference to the crossover i still think she is still a level 7, Spetznaz has shown various examples to demonstrate this ! you could make a case for the M.M. being a level 6 has he didn't really demonstrate his physical attributes in any of the four books !

The handbook entry on hercules doesnt take into consideration the reduced prowess of a now mortal herc. If it did then his strength would also be a 6. Please bear that in mind.So her strength stat is still very much debatable. Either way we dont have to agree just my opinion is all.

Originally posted by Draco69
The consensus for durability is the Marvel scale is: "Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury." Superman IS virtually indestructible with weaknesses to kryptonite and magic. Keyword: virtually. Wonder Woman IS virtually indestructible to most attacks barring for some stupid reason sharp things with sufficent velocity. Keyword: virtually.

GL without his shields or ring for that matter is of course as vulnerable as any human. GL WITH his ring (that intiates auto-shields) IS virtually indestructible (except with stupid writers) because not many things can get through it. Not even a Big Bang.

'IS virtually indestructible '

One could also make a case 4 Count Nefaria, Silver Surfer and to a lesser extent Ultimate Colossus, all of the above are listed a Level 6. I doubt that Wonder Woman's durability is beyond that of the Silver Surfers.

In the case of G.L. i remind you that beings such Photon, who has spacial powers and worm hole capabilities, and when and went toe to toe with Sentry (i.e. Someone whose potentially as powerful as Superman,) is listed as level 5 ? his constructs can also be shattered by enough force, i believe that this was accomplished by Wonder man in the crossover ? Hardly indestructible

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The handbook entry on hercules doesnt take into consideration the reduced prowess of a now mortal herc. If it did then his strength would also be a 6. Please bear that in mind.So her strength stat is still very much debatable. Either way we dont have to agree just my opinion is all.

The last Avengers handbook was made in 2004, well after his reduction in power, I'm certain that they where aware of it, Abomination is also rated as a 7, and we saw what a reduced Herc was able to do to him ! What about the Wonder man scenario, it was blatantly suggested that she was stronger than him, and he is a high level 6 !

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
'IS virtually indestructible '

One could also make a case 4 Count Nefaria, Silver Surfer and to a lesser extent Ultimate Colossus, all of the above are listed a Level 6. I doubt that Wonder Woman's durability is beyond that of the Silver Surfers.

In the case of G.L. i remind you that beings such Photon, who has spacial powers and worm hole capabilities, and when and went toe to toe with Sentry (i.e. Someone whose potentially as powerful as Superman,) is listed as level 5 ? his constructs can also be shattered by enough force, i believe that this was accomplished by Wonder man in the crossover ? Hardly indestructible

Which is precisely why the Handbooks are inaccurate. By using the table and my knowledge of the characters, I chose the best stat for them.

SS SHOULD be a seven. Hercules should be a seven in STRENGTH as should Namor. Photon SHOULD be a SEVEN in durability.

Marvel in my opinion badly categorizes their characters abilities based on their grading scale.

I stand by my stats not based on comparision to Marvel's characters but rather on feats in their comics.

If we're gonna go by JLA/Avengers where the JLA was incredibly downgraded, subtract three points off everyone. Oh and make Flash a 2 in speed because apparently Hawkeye can see him when he's running.

Originally posted by Draco69
Which is precisely why the Handbooks are inaccurate. By using the table and my knowledge of the characters, I chose the best stat for them.

SS SHOULD be a seven. Hercules should be a seven in STRENGTH as should Namor. Photon SHOULD be a SEVEN in durability.

Marvel in my opinion badly categorizes their characters abilities based on their grading scale.

I stand by my stats not based on comparision to Marvel's characters but rather on feats in their comics.

If we're gonna go by JLA/Avengers where the JLA was incredibly downgraded, subtract three points off everyone. Oh and make Flash a 2 in speed because apparently Hawkeye can see him when he's running.

I agree totally. All the categories need serious improvement, and various characters need to be updated. I also agree with all of your marvel suggestions.

Herc though is rated as a 7 Although it doesn't really matter, I also believe that many of the D.C heroes where down graded in the crossover. But who cares ?, at last someone agrees with me about the Marvel Hand book !

'my work here is done'

#Yahman opens up magical umbrellla and flies off to the soundtrack of 'A Spoon Full of Sugar'

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
The last Avengers handbook was made in 2004, well after his reduction in power, I'm certain that they where aware of it, Abomination is also rated as a 7, and we saw what a reduced Herc was able to do to him ! What about the Wonder man scenario, it was blatantly suggested that she was stronger than him, and he is a high level 6 !

None of us know how the stats for a characters bio are written, whether its most recent on panel performances or if its done by average performance. With that in mind a writer could deem hercs current mortal phase as temporary and therefore not take it into consideration when dealing with the stats. Either way mortal herc has strugggled with objects level 6ers could juggle and She hulk another level 6 was very recently presented as being stronger than him. Going by his own comments about being considerably weaker, his on panel feats during his mortal phase and how hes been presented, its quite clear that he far from has unlimited, incalculable strength as per a level 7.

Immortal level 7 Herc was presented as slightly above Thor in his day. Thor was for the most part presented as evenly matched with Supes while Herc in the crossover was getting manhandled by Wonder Woman. That says it all really.

You yourself readily dismiss the handbooks as inaccurate and favour your own fan system yet when they support your case youre quite happy to welcome them with open arms. Hmmm

Either way as aforementioned, we dont have to agree, its not a topic im particularly bothered about so i wont persist.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
None of us know how the stats for a characters bio are written, whether its most recent on panel performances or if its done by average performance. With that in mind a writer could deem hercs current mortal phase as temporary and therefore not take it into consideration when dealing with the stats. Either way mortal herc has strugggled with objects level 6ers could juggle and She hulk another level 6 was very recently presented as being stronger than him. Going by his own comments about being considerably weaker, his on panel feats during his mortal phase and how hes been presented, its quite clear that he far from has unlimited, incalculable strength as per a level 7.

Immortal level 7 Herc was presented as slightly above Thor in his day. Thor was for the most part presented as evenly matched with Supes while Herc in the crossover was getting manhandled by Wonder Woman. That says it all really.

You yourself readily dismiss the handbooks as inaccurate and favour your own fan system yet when they support your case youre quite happy to welcome them with open arms. Hmmm

Either way as aforementioned, we dont have to agree, its not a topic im particularly bothered about so i wont persist.

Excellent post though ! Im keeping it for future use, and i agree that herc should be downgraded, as should Juggernaut. This would have allow for more coherency with other characters.

I have also never considered this 'problem' from a writers perspective b4, thank you for the enlightenment. Its sad to see that this topic does not interest you !

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Excellent post though ! Im keeping it for future use, and i agree that herc should be downgraded, as should Juggernaut. This would have allow for more coherency with other characters.

I have also never considered this 'problem' from a writers perspective b4, thank you for the enlightenment. Its sad to see that this topic does not interest you !

It would normally im just in a really lazy mood at the moment and i cant be bothered with anything that potentially involves intense debating.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It would normally im just in a really lazy mood at the moment and i cant be bothered with anything that potentially involves intense debating.

'intense debating.'



And who says sarcasm is the lowest form of wit ?

I have an exam tomoz , so i should sign off soon, although someone has introduced me to a very interesting and funny proposition shifty, but i might have to way for another time (U know who you are !)

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
'IS virtually indestructible '

One could also make a case 4 Count Nefaria, Silver Surfer and to a lesser extent Ultimate Colossus, all of the above are listed a Level 6. I doubt that Wonder Woman's durability is beyond that of the Silver Surfers.

In the case of G.L. i remind you that beings such Photon, who has spacial powers and worm hole capabilities, and when and went toe to toe with Sentry (i.e. Someone whose potentially as powerful as Superman,) is listed as level 5 ? his constructs can also be shattered by enough force, i believe that this was accomplished by Wonder man in the crossover ? Hardly indestructible
Photon(Genis-Vell) has never been rated in a handbook. You're talking about Monica.

Breaking GL constructs does not mean breaking the auto shield. The two are completely separate. Auto shield has not shown a limit to what it can endure and is a 7 in durability.