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If you mean punisher than it has been done...i say punisher kills him...

solid snake

snake

Explain...

Punisher

snake has stealth, and utilizes it to his advantage much more than punisher could ever hope to...hes much like batman, except with guns, and considering all the foes hes taken on from the cyber ninja to the fatman and the metal gear's themselves, the punisher would be taken down by snake IMO

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Punisher


cool pic there,ninja

Originally posted by braz
snake has stealth, and utilizes it to his advantage much more than punisher could ever hope to...hes much like batman, except with guns, and considering all the foes hes taken on from the cyber ninja to the fatman and the metal gear's themselves, the punisher would be taken down by snake IMO Punisher has taken on people that would kill snake...snake is overrated...and punisher has more experience than snake...

so? can punisher beat cyber ninja str8 up like snake did, or metal gear solid itself? yea, those are foes that would pwn the punisher...and u say the punishers got more experience? maybe, but do u know what snake is? hes like a supersoldier conceived artificially with a certain kind of DNA that makes him genetically, physically superior to ne1 that has ever existed

If snake can be killed by bullets/greades than punisher will find a way to kill him...the first time punisher meet cap he could have killed him...he is a supersolider...punisher will take this...

idunno, the punisher might have trouble finding snake with his stealth tactics and all

I wish threadstarted stated evironment...

Originally posted by braz
so? can punisher beat cyber ninja str8 up like snake did, or metal gear solid itself? yea, those are foes that would pwn the punisher...and u say the punishers got more experience? maybe, but do u know what snake is? hes like a supersoldier conceived artificially with a certain kind of DNA that makes him genetically, physically superior to ne1 that has ever existed

He didn't do that by himself. He had help from player 1. dance

Originally posted by jgiant
Punisher has taken on people that would kill snake...snake is overrated...and punisher has more experience than snake...


face it snake would find a way to beat him down.
and every ones on snake's side. your on your own.
sorry.

Originally posted by twino143
face it snake would find a way to beat him down.
and every ones on snake's side. your on your own.
sorry. Face it there is a select group of people that answered this thread...and try and find the other original snake vs. punisher thread and see the variation of opinion...

solid snake has done this in comics with help im not sure but i think he'd own the punisher.

snake takes this hands down snskes a supersoilder and puns a american ex-cop from newyork and we know how good they are over in usa, no ofence braz or black adam but if u are really a snake fan then u wont mind me useing your great country when im proving snakes best oh and mider jeez didnt realize so many americans

ah say what you wish your just a guy on a board your opinion doesnt go beyond this board in my life so who cares what you say against someone elses country i cant say nothing against the UK cause ive never been there but then again i could always say something like at least our governments doesnt suck the taxes out of people so they can let there king and queen who do absolutly nothing sit on there butts looking pretty.

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
snake takes this hands down snskes a supersoilder and puns a american ex-cop from newyork and we know how good they are over in usa, no ofence braz or black adam but if u are really a snake fan then u wont mind me useing your great country when im proving snakes best oh and mider jeez didnt realize so many americans Your thinking of either the movie punisher or the ultimate version...punisher takes this...and why do you have bad mouth other peoples countries...the uk is a joke...its pretty embarassing when kids kick their parents ass and then grow up to be stronger then they could ever be...thats my two cents on this topic...

why do you always say punisher wins? do you have any proof on this not once have you brought any proof on how he would win not once.

Originally posted by Mider
why do you always say punisher wins? do you have any proof on this not once have you brought any proof on how he would win not once. Whats your proof that snake would win...look punisher has been taken out supers for thirty years now...spiderman, daredevil, wolverine, though he might not have won all the time he has won some of the time and that is saying alot...snake couldn't touch these guys...frank has more experience thirty plus years of non stop war...thus frank better in a shot out, even though snake is a super soldier it doesn't mean that he is better than frank...frank has proven himself to be meta human in durability (being shot multiple times and still fighting and winning, performing surgery on himself, being beat up by a dozen men, having dd beat the shit out of him and still fighting, the russian, ext.) he is an expert tactitian and fights dirty, real dirty...and why the hell do i have to explain all this just go to the respect thread and you'll see it all there...is it that hard to believe frank can win, he gets no respect here really...and where is your proof mider, you just say frank will lose...that argument for marv is all i need to prove you have no knowledge of the punisher...

even though he can do those things he is not on the stealth level that solid snake is ive never heard of frank being able to hide from anyone and killing them or hurting them while they dont even know he's there, solid snake also takes on genetically altered beings, ones that can block bullets with a sword also he has to take on guys with heavy duty arselanl such as galet guns and the like he also had to take on a cybernetic ninja if anything there equal. people should give more info on solid snakes enemies and franks as well.

go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_Raven#Solid_Snake and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiden_%28Metal_Gear%29 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolver_Ocelot

look up

Solidus Snake
Fortune
Vamp
Revolver Ocelot
sniper wolf
psycho mantis
Vulcan Raven

these are the toughest guys i could find that i have heard solid snake had to take down so compare punishers opponents to these guys.

Psycho Mantis is a psychic expert for the FOXHOUND unit, who is also known as The Dream Robber. Prior to joining FOXHOUND, he worked with the KGB and the FBI. His special abilities include the psychic powers of psychokinesis and telepathy.

Psycho Mantis was born in a small Russian village before the collapse of the Soviet Union. His mother died giving birth to him, which made his father resent and hate him. He discovered his father's true emotions one day while accidentally reading his mind. He wondered if his father would kill him, and the shock of this revelation awoke his sub conscious, and inadvertently caused the deaths of everyone in the village (approx. 1,000 people). This release of psychic energy caused severe burns across his body, particularly his face. He was then taken into custody by the KGB, who found his psychic powers impressive. He was taught to control his abilities and became a KGB spy.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Mantis was drafted as a psychic profiler by the FBI. He moved to the United States and began to work immediately for the FBI. He would enter the minds of a suspected killer and uncover the truth about their crimes. He eventually delved too far into the mind of a serial killer, and the killer's thoughts infected his mind, driving him insane. This created a violent multiple personality called the parasite.

The parasite caused Mantis to go into killing rages, but he found he could use his mental abilities to control his alternate personality. This greatly reduced his psychic abilities, so after he was recruited by FOXHOUND, he let the parasite roam free in his mind, allotting him even greater psychic ability.

By this time he had taken to wearing a gas mask, partially to hide his deformed facial features, but also to prevent the thoughts of others from entering his mind involuntarily.

In the current incarnation of FOXHOUND, its members (Liquid Snake, Vulcan Raven, Revolver Ocelot, Psycho Mantis, Sniper Wolf, and Decoy Octopus) grew tired of their roles as puppets to the government, and attacked Shadow Moses Island, a nuclear disposal facility. Psycho Mantis used his powers to gather the aid of the Genome Army, a group of genetically enhanced soldiers. However, upon his death, Mantis reveals he has never had any interest in the ideals that the rest of the revolutionaries have; he, driven by the Parasite within him, just wanted "an excuse to kill as many people as he could".

During the Shadow Moses island incident, Mantis attempts to stop Solid Snake's progress, at first taking control of Meryl Silverburgh, then revealing himself. Psycho Mantis is ultimately defeated by Snake, and tells Snake of his past before revealing the route ahead in his dying moments. He remarks that it is the first time he has used his powers for good, and that it felt "nostalgic" (in the English original translation of the game, "kind of nice".

Psycho Mantis was ultimately defeated by Solid Snake. Although Mantis was put into the FoxDie program, it had no effect on him. It is believed to be due to his wearing of a mask.

he has also been shown to take over peoples minds and use TK smashing a wall during battle.

Solidus Snake
Metal Gear Character

Solidus Snake
Aliases King, "Solid Snake"
Real Name George Sears
Nationality American
Affiliations Formerly The Patriots;
Currently the Sons of Liberty

Gender Male
Voice Actor (English) John Cygan
Voice Actor (Japanese) Akio Otsuka
Motion Actor Unknown
Solidus Snake is the leader of a terrorist group known as the "Sons of Liberty" and the third "brother" of the Les Enfants Terribles project, and is elected president under the name of George Sears.

He was born 1972 as part of the Les Enfants Terribles project, along with Solid Snake and Liquid Snake. Unlike his brothers, Solidus was endowed with a masterful balance of both dominant and recessive genes. Prior to his presidency, Solidus was involved in the Liberian Civil War during the 1980s, raising several child soldiers, including Jack (who would grow up to be Raiden) among them. He serves as the 43rd President of the United States under the name of George Sears up until the events of Shadow Moses island incident unfolded. Solidus commanded Revolver Ocelot into the incident, who was supposed to obtain Metal Gear REX. Solidus hoped to use REX as a tool against the Patriots, whom he loathed. With the revelation of the Metal Gear REX project and the Genome Army to the public (the events of Metal Gear Solid), Solidus loses the trust of his superiors, The Patriots, and is forced to resign his presidency.

After his resignation, he goes underground to avoid assassination, with the help of Revolver Ocelot. During this period, Solidus recruits the assistance of his former unit, Dead Cell, and Olga Gurlukovich's private army, establishing the terrorist group "Sons of Liberty". While posing as Solid Snake, he seizes the Big Shell and takes President Johnson hostage, in an attempt to gain control of Arsenal Gear and disrupt the Patriots' flow of information.

During the Big Shell incident, Solidus confronts Raiden twice. The first time, he takes control of a Harrier II aircraft and attempts to kill Raiden at the connecting bridge between Shell 1 and Shell 2. At the end of the battle, he loses his left eye after his Harrier is struck by the last missile. The second and final time Raiden confronts Solidus as at the very end of the game, atop Federal Hall after Arsenal Gear crash lands into Manhattan. During this battle, Raiden must engage in a sword duel with Solidus, as his other weapons are lost at this point.

Solidus is equipped with a powered exoskeleton that provides him with "superhuman motor skill capabilities" and is resistant to damage. His suit has an integrated accelerator which leaves a trail of fire behind after usage and is also supplemented with tentacle-like "snake arms", which Solidus uses to grab and crush or suffocate enemies. The "snake arms" can also fire missiles. The suit utilizes much of the technology developed for Metal Gear RAY most notably the artificial muscle tissue, which can be seen bulking up when before combat. Solidus' main weapons are dual katana blades, nicknamed "Minshu" and "Kyouwa" (the Democrat and the Republican), but he also uses an FN P90 submachine gun.

Despite being the youngest of the three Snakes, Solidus looks older than his brothers in appearance as a result of advanced cellular degeneration. He resembles Big Boss during later years, a fact which is further emphasized after he loses his left eye in battle and is forced to wear an eye patch. Raiden kills Solidus after their duel atop Federal Hall.

Fortune is a leading member of Dead Cell. Her codename refers to her seemingly supernatural ability to have bullets that come into her direction pass around her and also turn explosives into duds. She is also known as Lady Luck and has earned the title of "Queen" among her Dead Cell comrades. She is armed with a large-sized railgun during combat.

Born as Helena Dolph, she was the daughter of Scott Dolph, Commandant of the Marine Corps, and wife of Colonel Jackson, founder of Dead Cell. Helena led a largely uneventful life until the sudden death of her father during the Tanker incident in 2007. A few months later, her husband was convicted of mishandling federal funds and was found guilty; furthermore, Helena's mother committed suicide and Colonel Jackson himself died while serving out his sentence. Helena was unable to cope with the systematic loss of each of her close relatives and miscarried her unborn child of three months, essentially losing her entire family.

Helena was informed that the man responsible for her father's death was none other than Solid Snake, the mercenary allegedly responsible for sinking the tanker. In her search for vengeance, she joined the armed forces and found out that she is impervious to bullets. Because of this mysterious power, she was deemed Lady Luck by her comrades. She was quickly assigned to her husband's former unit, Dead Cell, and was welcomed with open arms by the team, especially Vamp, who was rumored to be her father's former bisexual lover. She was assigned the codename of Fortune and quickly gained leader status.

Fortune was one of the Dead Cell members who survived its liquidation, and six months later, on April 29, 2009, Dead Cell was involved in the Big Shell takeover. Dead Cell confronted alleged FOXHOUND member Raiden a few times, before confronting Snake personally within Arsenal Gear. Instead of killing Snake, Fortune took him prisoner and delivered him to Solidus Snake, leader of the Sons of Liberty (the terrorist group that seized the Big Shell). Shortly after, Revolver Ocelot revealed that the Big Shell takover was nothing more than a simulated version of the Shadow Moses incident and that Fortune's role in it was not coincidential. The deaths of her family members were planned by The Patriots and her invulnerability to bullets was simply the result of a machinery-projected electro-magnetic force field which surrounded her body; Ocelot confirmed the latter revelation by shooting Fortune in her chest. However, Ocelot missed her heart (as Fortune was born with dextrocardia) and the fatally-wounded Fortune stood up against him. When Ocelot launched missiles directed at her and the others with Metal Gear RAY, she managed to deflect them telekinetically, leading Solid Snake to believe that her powers and luck in the battlefield might not have been entirely due to the Patriots after all. Fortune died from her gunshot wound shortly afterwards.

Vamp is a member of Dead Cell originally from Romania. His family was killed when he was younger in a church bombing incident. It is believed he acquired a taste for blood, as he survived amongst the rubble by drinking his own family's blood, even though he was pierced by a crucifix. It seems that Vamp is a sort of supernatural being, as he can dash across, or even stand upon water, run up vertical walls, and he survived being shot in the head - in his own words, he can't "Die Twice". His name does not mean a short form of vampire; it refers to his bisexuality. A vamp is someone who seduces men. He is rumored to had been the lover of Marine Commandant Scott Dolph, and has a very close relationship with Dolph's daughter and fellow Dead Cell member Fortune.

Vamp is a master with knives of all shapes and sizes; in one instance he slaughtered the Alpha squad of SEAL Team 10 using nothing but a Bowie knife and a handful of throwing blades. He is incredibly fast, and one of his more impressive tricks is reading an opponent's muscle movements to predict where and when they will fire. Using this information, he is capable of avoiding entire clips of assault rifle fire. He is also an extremely proficient swimmer, and is capable of piloting a Harrier aircraft with no small amount of skill.

Raiden however, was twice successful in defeating him in one-on-one combat. The first victory comes in a room deep in Shell 2's core, where a heavily injured Vamp sinks into a pool of low-density water. The latter defeat occurs when Vamp attempts to take Emma Emmerich hostage but in the end is shot in the head by Raiden with a sniper rifle. However, he manages to survive and is sighted among the crowd that formed on the streets of New York City when Arsenal Gear collided with Federal Hall (he is seen standing next to a yellow car).

Ocelot is described as being obsessed with guns, cowboy films and spaghetti Westerns. This is reflected in his choice of dress as well as his codename and the weapons he uses - he is armed with two, or sometimes three Colt Single Action Army revolvers, which he wields with almost superhuman skill, being both a master of ricochet and fancy gun-twirling techniques; by the time of Metal Gear Solid 2, he seems to have attained the uncanny ability to draw his weapon and shoot any target in the heart in a split second. He also uses a technique known as 'fanning', in which one hand holds the revolver's trigger down and the other hits the revolver hammer repeatedly, allowing for rapid fire. He was inspired to use revolvers after his first meeting with Big Boss when they fought each other. Big Boss, who was under codename "Naked Snake". His hand gestures are a favorite among fans.

During Shadow Moses, after Snake confronts Vulcan Raven in a battletank, Raven calls Ocelot General Ivan (likely a simple ethnic slur towards Ocelot's Russian affiliation).

Often players complain that Ocelot's motives and actions are difficult to follow, but one thing must be remembered: his only loyalty has been to the American Philosophers, who later became the Patriots. He knows and obeys their commands, despite the role he may be playing at the time. Although he submits his complete loyalty to the Patriots, he is forced, against his will, into a vendetta against them; his body and mind are frequently taken over by Liquid Snake, who possesses Ocelot through his arm (itself transplanted from Liquid Snake's corpse).

It should be noted that the character model of the aged Ocelot bears a resemblance to actor Lee van Cleef. Van Cleef starred in the spaghetti western The Good, The Bad and The Ugly (among others), as well as Escape from New York along side Kurt Russell as Snake Plissken. It is also interesting to note that the character model of the younger Ocelot bears a passing resemblance to a young Clint Eastwood although clean shaven and with a buzz cut.

no one to defend the punisher OR solid snake?

bump

Snake has taken a tank shell to the chest, i dont care what you say Jgiant Punisher can't do the damn same.

And just because one guy from my country bad-mouths you doesn't mean were all assholes

This is actually a match that I've thought about before, and a damn good one. Both are war veterans, both can be very stealthy should the situation arise, and both are great hand to hand fighters. Could Frank take the Metal Gear? If he had the same equipment as Snake, yeah. It would be cake. These two are definately on the same level. I say if they fought with no equipment besides their knives, and had to go across 12 miles of terrain beforehand, then it would be one of the best fights ever seen. I honestly can't pick. I'm a Solid Snake loyalist, and I'm a Punisher loyalist.
It's a draw.

Originally posted by grey fox
Snake has taken a tank shell to the chest, i dont care what you say Jgiant Punisher can't do the damn same.

And just because one guy from my country bad-mouths you doesn't mean were all assholes

If we go in the realm of Video Games, Punisher has taken some nasty hits too in his video game. Realm of comics, it's an even fight.

so how would frank do against the guys snake has gone up against?

Originally posted by Marcus4600
If we go in the realm of Video Games, Punisher has taken some nasty hits too in his video game. Realm of comics, it's an even fight.

True , has snake ever had a comic ? Apart from that crappy one inside of the mgs2 rules manual

yes snake has a comic he has alot of comics he has comics for his fight on the island and he has new comics comming out for sons of liberty.

mider just read wat u said about my country.... truer words were never spoken its my dream to go to nyc or anywhere in u.s.a

by the way whos winning this argument

the reason i wrote all that stuff is to compare the guys punisher fights and the guys solid snake fights and thus you can make a general decision on who would win.

Punisaher!!!

if u speaking to me i sorry im just a bit jellous

well ive looked through the punishers villian gallary and i really really REALLY cant find one person who could beat solid snake if you take into account the guys he's fought

snakes #1

Snake for sure. Punisher maybe has 30 years exp, but Snake was born to become an ultimate Soldier. Yes Punisher defeated supers many times, but snake fought and defeated enemies that are much tougher than Daredevil or Wolverine. In h2h punisher doesn't stand a chance, in duel Punisher has a chance to win only if he's really REALLY lucky.

he proberly would win in a duel hes out of control

Hey AJ4LIFE. How are you doing?

im fine how u samishi

Fine, seems to me you had real tough discussion yesterday after i left.

Originally posted by grey fox
True , has snake ever had a comic ? Apart from that crappy one inside of the mgs2 rules manual

I believe he has. I saw one juts a few months ago at my LCS. Didn't pick it up though.

Originally posted by Black Adam
I believe he has. I saw one juts a few months ago at my LCS. Didn't pick it up though.

i looked online it is just extended versions of games i think

Metal Gear Solid # 1 Retailer Summit CGC 9.8 $105.00

thats how much 1 comics going for
next price comic is 50 dollars how much is that in pounds

do u mean the mider one if so then yes i suppose i should apologize again, im sorry but living in wales u get kinda jealous i cant remember last time seen sun properly if read this sashimi start of aforum need somone to speak to

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
Metal Gear Solid # 1 Retailer Summit CGC 9.8 $105.00

thats how much 1 comics going for
next price comic is 50 dollars how much is that in pounds Thats probably a graded comic or something different, they have them on Ebay for like 5-6 bucks each.

And I've flipped through them at the comic shop, they go through the story of the original Metal Gear Solid title for the original Playstation.

thanks juntai thought they were a bit expensive

uhh, excuse me...the Punisher was only an ex cop in the movie. in the comics he's an ex Marine. check ur facts. if u even bothered to read any of the comics you'd all know this. (man i loathe when people go by the movies, like the Fantastic Crap movie, Dr Doom is NOT a rich tycoon!!!, and he was NEVER their friend in the beginning!!!!)
Oh, Punisher, hands down, if snake can be killed by gunfire in the games, whats stopping the Punisher??

did u think it was stupid when he got electric powers
still good film know u have to admit apart from fight seen

Originally posted by Deicide
uhh, excuse me...the Punisher was only an ex cop in the movie. in the comics he's an ex Marine. check ur facts. if u even bothered to read any of the comics you'd all know this. (man i loathe when people go by the movies, like the Fantastic Crap movie, Dr Doom is NOT a rich tycoon!!!, and he was NEVER their friend in the beginning!!!!)
Oh, Punisher, hands down, if snake can be killed by gunfire in the games, whats stopping the Punisher?? Punisher can be killed by gunfire as well. . . .. whats your point?

If you ever played Twin Snakes though, and saw the cutscenes in that.. . it was incredible.

twin snake whats it about its just old one with better ghrafics and controls isnt

if this is a war then frank wins...solid may be good with stealth and all but frank is too...hell in nam' all he fought were guys who used stealth...like the monkey...this guy was one of the best snipers in the war...he went up against punisher and got capped you know how...monkey sent out someone to get sniped by frank to see where frank was shooting from...the guy got shot...monkey fired and missed...frank put a pair of benoculars next to him so it looked like he fired from a different position..then frank shot monkey right through his eye peice...don't say frank isn't good with stealth and this was thrity years ago...frank takes down snake...if he could die from bullets then frank can kill him...and yeah i know snake could do exactly the same but frank is better skilled than snake and fights dirty...

...........snakes still better

why because he is a supersoldier...

listen your killing my hero

hope u all forgive me

Originally posted by jgiant
if this is a war then frank wins...solid may be good with stealth and all but frank is too...hell in nam' all he fought were guys who used stealth...like the monkey...this guy was one of the best snipers in the war...he went up against punisher and got capped you know how...monkey sent out someone to get sniped by frank to see where frank was shooting from...the guy got shot...monkey fired and missed...frank put a pair of benoculars next to him so it looked like he fired from a different position..then frank shot monkey right through his eye peice...don't say frank isn't good with stealth and this was thrity years ago...frank takes down snake...if he could die from bullets then frank can kill him...and yeah i know snake could do exactly the same but frank is better skilled than snake and fights dirty...

The End was the best sniper in the World and Sniper Wolf too and they both were taken down by Big Boss and Snake. And Snake is not only good at stealth but at war as well. Snake wins.

thank god u aggree with me

psycho mantis would own punisher he'd set him on fire or mind rape him and his stealth wouldnt work cause he could find out were he is and mind controll him.

Originally posted by samishe
The End was the best sniper in the World and Sniper Wolf too and they both were taken down by Big Boss and Snake. And Snake is not only good at stealth but at war as well. Snake wins.

wasn't the end taken down by big boss and not snake?

Punisher is just fine with stealth himself...again snake will get capped and he will die...punisher is just that good...snake eats snakes big deal...

ex marine vs genetically superior super soldier. hand to hand or guns snake wins. snake is pretty much batman with guns, he doesn't rely on sheer firepower as much as punisher

punisher picks on goons and thugs.....

snake fights armies of genetically engineered genome soldiers, mystical shamans/psychics/vampires..powered up madmen and hordes of metal gears..not to mention cyborg ninjas...and a genetically superior copy of himself.

punisher wishes he could be like snake

Originally posted by bench261
ex marine vs genetically superior super soldier. hand to hand or guns snake wins. snake is pretty much batman with guns, he doesn't rely on sheer firepower as much as punisher

punisher picks on goons and thugs.....

snake fights armies of genetically engineered genome soldiers, mystical shamans/psychics/vampires..powered up madmen and hordes of metal gears..not to mention cyborg ninjas...and a genetically superior copy of himself.

punisher wishes he could be like snake and nuclear equiped walking battletanks.

Originally posted by bench261
ex marine vs genetically superior super soldier. hand to hand or guns snake wins. snake is pretty much batman with guns, he doesn't rely on sheer firepower as much as punisher

punisher picks on goons and thugs.....

snake fights armies of genetically engineered genome soldiers, mystical shamans/psychics/vampires..powered up madmen and hordes of metal gears..not to mention cyborg ninjas...and a genetically superior copy of himself.

punisher wishes he could be like snake frank wishes he was snake? i really doubt that one...anywho frank has taken on sheild, metahumans, superhumans, mutants, and he isn't a supersoldier...he is still better than snake...even in a h2h fight with no weapons, punisher can take pretty much anything snake can throw at him and still keep coming and still end up kicking his ass, just like he does to just about everone else...even dd sometimes...just check out the respect thread...if this is war there is no one better than frank including snake...

yeah why dont you bring those things on here ive brought reasons why he would lose against Solid Snake why dont you all you do is come here and say he wins cause i say so.

Originally posted by Mider
yeah why dont you bring those things on here ive brought reasons why he would lose against Solid Snake why dont you all you do is come here and say he wins cause i say so. What are your reasons, stealth, i proved he could hang with the stealthiest, snake beat guys that are tougher, ok this is speculation punisher has taken on guys who i think can take snake out...i don't know if you can read or what but i can't keep arguing with you its like talking to a brick wall seriously, you say the same thing every time...did you read the respect thread, read it again...apparently i will never get through to you and niether will you to me...so lets agree to disagree we are just going in circles...guess we are just to thick headed...and don't tell me your not...cuz you still believe that marv can beat cap and punisher, i don't know how the hell you think its possible but ok...its your opinion...and i have mine...punisher wins this because frank has experience, he is a better tactisian and he fights dirty to win, said this numerous times...snake has experience but has not been in war non stop...he has taken breaks and he is not as sharp as punisher who has been out in the line of fire, puting his life on the line every day for more than thirty years, when snake was getting taught how to sh!t in a toilet...

im not even talking about marv or anyone like that im talking about solid snake and the guys he has beaten have you even read the bios of the guys he's fought and defeated? you come in here with the same old arguments and they are not holding up anymore sorry mantis could just mind rape him for your info or burn him alive.

Originally posted by Mider
im not even talking about marv or anyone like that im talking about solid snake and the guys he has beaten have you even read the bios of the guys he's fought and defeated? you come in here with the same old arguments and they are not holding up anymore sorry mantis could just mind rape him for your info or burn him alive. mantis could beat him because of the mind rapping factor...but what you said about marv is unforgivable...and discredits everything you will ever say again on this forum...sorry...thats just how i feel...

yeah and the same might go for me after you said punisher could take anyone and everyone. You dont have any right to say my opinions are wrong just cause you dont like them your the one who was saying solid snake would lose and not backing it up with any proof that really counted sept oh well franks done this and that for this long blah blah blah frank can take on anyone blah blah blah franks better then marv cause i say so even though he hasnt had the weapons to put down marv permanatly not on him anyway.

really tho the only villian that impresses me is mantis...

my point is solid snake beat psycho mantis i dont see frank doing that nor do i see frank going up against guys who can dodge and deflect bullets and a guy who can move so fast he can kill a team of navi seals with only a few knives.

Originally posted by Mider
yeah and the same might go for me after you said punisher could take anyone and everyone. You dont have any right to say my opinions are wrong just cause you dont like them your the one who was saying solid snake would lose and not backing it up with any proof that really counted sept oh well franks done this and that for this long blah blah blah frank can take on anyone blah blah blah franks better then marv cause i say so even though he hasnt had the weapons to put down marv permanatly not on him anyway. What the hell are you talking about your just letting your emotions over take you and your resorting to lying...never said frank could beat everyone...i actually have said many times he would lose...and i have stated why i think frank would win for like two pages...and i never said your opinions were wrong i even stated at times its your opinion...but since you have selective reading disorder i will let that slide...blahblahblah...marv wins...sure...i like how you totally disregard how he was in the hospital because of bullet wounds punisher could inflict any minute of the day...but thats ok...look i have to go...its been a good run...its the most fun i have had on this forum in a while...but lets continue this tommarrow...peace out...

Originally posted by Mider
my point is solid snake beat psycho mantis i dont see frank doing that nor do i see frank going up against guys who can dodge and deflect bullets and a guy who can move so fast he can kill a team of navi seals with only a few knives. he beat a guy who had a strike team made to take him out...the russian...punisher has faced off agains urki...or what ever they are called and survived...he even put up a good fight...and these things fight thor...also frank has taken on spiderman he doges bullets, wolvie, he sokes up bullets, deadpool, and some other guys...i gotta go to bed...

jgiant makes a good point. Frank has fought some guys that are on or past the level of Vamp, Psycho Mantis, and so forth.

you did say frank can take on everyone no im not lieing you said so on marv vs the punisher thanks im not lieing if so im sorry but i dont believe i am and the russian would get killed by the guys solid snake goes after choped up till he's just a head, and wolverine and Spiderman arent exactly guys solid snake couldnt take out if he tried hard.

im sticking with snake he could face super villains as well just like punisher

he also is faster, stronger and basically the perfect human speciman frank wouldnt last very long against someone like mantis he could and might get past the other guys but im not sure if he's fast enough for some of them i mean some of those guys can dodge bullets as easy as one two three.

whats so scary about the fatman they used him as an example i looked him up and all he seems to be is some fat dude who blows stuff up i mean is he that tough at all?

it wasnt snake that beat fatman it was raiden, but if raiden can beat fatman snake can easily,

yeah but what was so scary about fatman i mean what could he do that made him so tough?

that bloody coat of his bloody bullet proof when first tried it i didnt no how to aim properly so couldnt get him little F er

Originally posted by Mider
you did say frank can take on everyone no im not lieing you said so on marv vs the punisher thanks im not lieing if so im sorry but i dont believe i am and the russian would get killed by the guys solid snake goes after choped up till he's just a head, and wolverine and Spiderman arent exactly guys solid snake couldnt take out if he tried hard. Find it and i will be humbled...

snake has stealth and uses it how often does frank use it

^ He never needs it. He's hardly been taking on guys lately that you need to sneak around for. Most of them are idiots.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
^ He never needs it. He's hardly been taking on guys lately that you need to sneak around for. Most of them are idiots. Not on the difficulty I play on.
Especailly on Twin Snakes

i think he ment frank but of topic for a sec juntai or whoever have u completed every game i have what is twin snakes is it just improved version of old ones

i guess i might be wrong about you saying that perhaps it was someone else but frank aint winning this battle sorry.

who has played on twin snakes here i would like to know please

Originally posted by Juntai
Not on the difficulty I play on.
Especailly on Twin Snakes

I'm talking about Frank, not Snake. Also, Twin Snakes isn't that hard. In fact, none of the series are particularly difficult. I would know. I own all of them.

apart from twin snakes i own all as well, i completed them as well

Frank is just s big well trained tough guy. He has a lot of exp, but there is no way he can beat Snake. H2h Snake takes him for ease. It's not only about his genes, but he was also trained since he was a child. He was born and raised to become a super soldier. In one on one duel he wins eather. He took on Revolver Ocelot that can shoot Punisher 5 times in the head in 1 second.

Originally posted by samishe
Frank is just s big well trained tough guy. He has a lot of exp, but there is no way he can beat Snake. H2h Snake takes him for ease. It's not only about his genes, but he was also trained since he was a child. He was born and raised to become a super soldier. In one on one duel he wins eather. He took on Revolver Ocelot that can shoot Punisher 5 times in the head in 1 second.

... does it bother you that you don't have clue what you are talking about?

Snake gets shot, beepy sound as ration is inexplicably used to resurrect him. He blasts Punisher (after throwing a chaff for the hell of it)

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... does it bother you that you don't have clue what you are talking about?

About what i don't have a clue?

truer words were never spoken go samishe go samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
truer words were never spoken go samishe go samishe

but only cos yer a freind

just joking u were completly right well done

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
but only cos yer a freind

just joking u were completly right well done

Nice new avatar and sig man.

thanks bud

Originally posted by Mider
i guess i might be wrong about you saying that perhaps it was someone else but frank aint winning this battle sorry. Get your facts straight before telling me what i did and did not say...frank still wins...for reasons you say i never state...

lets not start an argument u cant win believe me mider can win TRUST ME FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
lets not start an argument u cant win believe me mider can win TRUST ME FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE so you guys are buds...i can see why you agree with him most of the time...

Snake wins and that's MY personal opinion.

were not buds we spoke a couple of times thats it, my BUDS are samishe and grey fox first freinds and only ones i got, u should see past arguments we argue all time

huh? What is htis garbage?

Metal Gear Solid si a gmae how are you supposed to compare the two?

Originally posted by Warmonger
huh? What is htis garbage?

Metal Gear Solid si a gmae how are you supposed to compare the two?

There is a Metal Gear comix eather.

u mean as well and off cuase u can compare them

Yes... as well.

solid snake wins i have more proof for him winning then i do punisher sorry.

k...i still think punisher can win and will win...

well you can think all you wont it wont make it true.

Originally posted by Mider
well you can think all you wont it wont make it true. same can be said about u...

Snake really hasn't done anything more impressive than Punisher has, infact what has Snake done objectively that Frank couldn't?

nah i have proof you dont. Frank can fight cyborgs with out help? i dont think so if so you can show me please, can frank also fight insane psychics who can mind controll you, set you on fire, or smash you through a wall, is his arsenal as big as a guy who uses an airplain weapon as if it was a handgun on his back, also has two magic birds, and shamain powers, also another women who can deflect bullets with her mind.

He didn't beat Grey Fox Meatal Gear stepped on him. Also the only way snake fought the ninja is with chaff grenades.

Second Psycho Mantis didn't use any of those powers on Snake excpe the rather weak TK. Alos when has snake fought PM outside of the game Which incase you forgot is designed to allow you to win?

I'm sorry but Bushwhaker would make mince meat out of Vulcna Raven and Frank fights him all the time. Also what "Shaman powers" did he use when he fought Snake?

Snake fought fortune, but he didn't beat her or evne scratch her so I don't see how that counts as a bonus for Snake.

Next.

i have no idea how that guy (bushwhaker) would stand one chance against a vulcan canon but i shall say no insults but ask what things has he done?

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/bushwacker.htm

I might have been engaging in some hyperbole when I said that he would make mincemeat out of Raven casue they seem to have more or less the same kind of stuff.

Well, Frank has gone toe to toe with Venom, and lived. He even outsmarted Venom. He's also gone up against 100 men and lived, and took out snipers with an M60 during Nam. He once killed a guy by swinging him around by his ankles, and another he smothered with a fat person. He's also beaten Daredevil, and in an alternate timeline, killed the entire Marvel universe.

wow

Originally posted by Warmonger
He didn't beat Grey Fox Meatal Gear stepped on him. Also the only way snake fought the ninja is with chaff grenades.

Second Psycho Mantis didn't use any of those powers on Snake excpe the rather weak TK. Alos when has snake fought PM outside of the game Which incase you forgot is designed to allow you to win?

I'm sorry but Bushwhaker would make mince meat out of Vulcna Raven and Frank fights him all the time. Also what "Shaman powers" did he use when he fought Snake?

Snake fought fortune, but he didn't beat her or evne scratch her so I don't see how that counts as a bonus for Snake.

Next. Originally posted by Marcus4600
Well, Frank has gone toe to toe with Venom, and lived. He even outsmarted Venom. He's also gone up against 100 men and lived, and took out snipers with an M60 during Nam. He once killed a guy by swinging him around by his ankles, and another he smothered with a fat person. He's also beaten Daredevil, and in an alternate timeline, killed the entire Marvel universe. good points

Originally posted by Marcus4600
Well, Frank has gone toe to toe with Venom, and lived. He even outsmarted Venom. He's also gone up against 100 men and lived, and took out snipers with an M60 during Nam. He once killed a guy by swinging him around by his ankles, and another he smothered with a fat person. He's also beaten Daredevil, and in an alternate timeline, killed the entire Marvel universe.

He didn't go toe-to-toe with Venom, he used a sonic gun. He planted it on the roof of his car.

that still counts as a win...again punisher does whatever it takes to win...

Originally posted by jgiant
that still counts as a win...again punisher does whatever it takes to win...

Yeah it counts, but he is talking of it as if Frank kicked Venom ass with his bare hand.

And Snake also does whatever it takes to beat his enemies.

To win against such carachters as Venom, Frank needs prep time, and Snake always wins even if he is caught of guard.

He didn't fight Venom?
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Originally posted by Marcus4600
He didn't fight Venom?
http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=venomfuneralpyre001124jf.jpg
http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=venomfuneralpyre001139cn.jpg
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You call it a fight? I saw that Punisher tried to shoot Venom and then was knocked out with two punches, and still this is a biggest crap i ever seen. One good hit from Spider-man would be enough to kill Punisher and Venom is much MUCH stronger then Spidey. I think Venom pulled his punches otherwise Frank would be dead long ago.

he wouldnt be able to kill the entire marvel universe thats crap some of those guys he supposidly killed cant die with nukes and beside that i think that captain america would have dodged the bullet if he heard the sound of franks gun clicking.

Originally posted by Mider
he wouldnt be able to kill the entire marvel universe thats crap some of those guys he supposidly killed cant die with nukes and beside that i think that captain america would have dodged the bullet if he heard the sound of franks gun clicking.


Whom are you talking about? Venom, Snake or Frank?

none of them

Originally posted by Mider
none of them

neither of them could destroy the MU come on.

Originally posted by Mider
neither of them could destroy the MU come on.

Oh!... Right.

Yet, Frank did kill the Marvel universe. He had hella prep, but he did it. He put a bullet between Cyclops' eyes easy. The comic showed that he's a sneaky and smart little f*cker.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
The comic showed that he's a sneaky little f*cker.

Indeed.

The comic showed that all you have to do to beat the x-men and the brotherhood is trick them to coming to the moon and set a nuke off.

it's so simple i wonder why the gov never though of it?

yeah but a nuke wouldnt kill juggernaut, or apocalypse, and theoretically sinister might servive so no not all that stuff is phesable juggs is more durable then galactus, sinister has not been shown to be able to be hurt so im not sure how he'd do and apocalypse i think he can be just as durable as juggs if he's written correctly not this cis were he loses to magneto.

Originally posted by Black Adam
The comic showed that all you have to do to beat the x-men and the brotherhood is trick them to coming to the moon and set a nuke off.

it's so simple i wonder why the gov never though of it? ha...maybe cuz there would be no marvel characters to write about...thats just a guess...why would they kill them off...

when people say why didnt they let them kill them of it really f**ks me of

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
when people say why didnt they let them kill them of it really f**ks me of Yeah they never will unless its like a third rate character...

i personally think solid snake has fought guys who are out of the punishers league,

vamp is seamingly unkillable with bullets, he took out a team of navy seals with just knives he can also paralyze you if he hits your shadow and he has other abilities.

vulcan canon i think that just that weapon alone puts anything the punisher has most of the time to shame.

mantis is way to much for punisher, he could just read his every move before he did it or controll his mind or just kill him with his mental powers, he even seems to have pyrokenisis which is why he is so deformed,

the fat man wont be to much for frank though lol.

cyborg ninja has every human attribute to the max and can camiflog himself but can still be seen with heat vision or whatever, he also has a sword that can cut through almost anything and deflect bullets, beside that he had a very powerful weapon with the harming capacity of a stinger missle