Morlun Vs. Rogue

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DigiMark007
Both have vampiric life-draining abilities. Both are around Class 50 (this is an estimate with Morlun). Rogue can fly. Morlun is, apparently, fast enough to beat down Spider-Man consistently. I honestly don't know who I'd pick.

Who wins?

thesilverspider
I think morlun beats her ass unless she could absorb him.

Jose123
Well the only reason Spidey wasn't strong enough and the reason his punches didn't work on him was because Morlun was born to feed of him right? So everytime he punched him he got weaker and Morlun got stronger.

And i assume were using Ms. Marvel rogue since you said she could fly and is around class 50?

if thats the case Rogue flies up flies back down and smacks or kicks him into unconsciousness. He isn't going to be feeding of a Rogue since she has no animal totem figure or her powers didn't come from a animal.

unless this is fire rogue? Then she would be dead

Scoobless
Originally posted by Jose123
Well the only reason Spidey wasn't strong enough and the reason his punches didn't work on him was because Morlun was born to feed of him right? So everytime he punched him he got weaker and Morlun got stronger.

Morlun took a lot more than punches from Spider-Man and he did prove his strength (to a certain extent)

strolls through steel reinforced concrete walls:

1. http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9303/morlun054tm.jpg
2. http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9492/morlun063xx.jpg

taking a lot of impact and getting straight back up:

1. http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/841/morlun017bn.jpg
2. http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/122/morlun026lz.jpg

strolls through another wall (no effort displayed whatsoever):

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8778/morlun037pz.jpg

taking abuse that can't be explained via power sucking:

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3343/morlun081pk.jpg

Speed:

1. http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8/morlunspeed017qq.jpg
2. http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1811/morlunspeed023hu.jpg

durability:

1. http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7269/morlungas14tv.jpg
2. http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6395/morlungas27pl.jpg

strength:

1. http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5067/morlunweb3pi.jpg
2. http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3351/morlun043co.jpg


I don't think he's class 100.... but he certainly seems to be around 50 minimum

Jose123
still isn't anything I haven't seen Ms. Marvel Rogue take or do.

So i say there about even in the strength and durability department. But Rogue has the advantage in flight.

So I'll guess I'll still give it to her.

Anyone think that she can absorb his powers? she's absorbed Juggys before right? Why shouldn't she be able to do it to him.

Scoobless
Originally posted by Jose123
still isn't anything I haven't seen Ms. Marvel Rogue take or do.

So i say there about even in the strength and durability department. But Rogue has the advantage in flight.

So I'll guess I'll still give it to her.

Anyone think that she can absorb his powers? she's absorbed Juggys before right? Why shouldn't she be able to do it to him.

Well i did say that i ranked him around class 50.... which is the same as Rogue and Warbird

Morlun can't fly.... but his ground speed is obviously much faster than Rogue's

Plus in a few scenes (not ones i posted) he's seen just standing in the middle of flames with no discomfort.... i don't know what Rogue's resistance to fire is so i can't compare them there

As for absorbing... he's seen to take people's life force from the slightest touch.... i wouldn't want to test out which was going to work first if i was Rogue

Jose123
Originally posted by Scoobless
Well i did say that i ranked him around class 50.... which is the same as Rogue and Warbird

Morlun can't fly.... but his ground speed is obviously much faster than Rogue's

Plus in a few scenes (not ones i posted) he's seen just standing in the middle of flames with no discomfort.... i don't know what Rogue's resistance to fire is so i can't compare them there

As for absorbing... he's seen to take people's life force from the slightest touch.... i wouldn't want to test out which was going to work first if i was Rogue

Which people? I only have a few of JMS run. since when he started was about the time I got out of comics. Only got back last august.

I thought it was just People with a animal totem or who got there powers from animals?

Scoobless
Originally posted by Jose123
Which people? I only have a few of JMS run. since when he started was about the time I got out of comics. Only got back last august.

I thought it was just People with a animal totem or who got there powers from animals?

seems to be just anyone:

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2966/asm0825zr.jpg

Jose123
Then guess this match depends on who uses there advantages better.

Rogue with her flight and Morlun with his speed on the ground.

I heard power draining a another power drainer never goes right with Rogue.

They usually are both sent back knocked out. at least thats what I hear.

marvelprince
Actually i think Morlun is lot stronger than class 50, remember the first time he ran into Spidey and he remarked on how Morlun punched even harder than the Hulk

Arahan
many poeple doeant want to believe that morlun is a very powerful villian. But he is. And he is a villian I really like, no plans or plots just attack and fight.

Scoobless
Originally posted by marvelprince
Actually i think Morlun is lot stronger than class 50, remember the first time he ran into Spidey and he remarked on how Morlun punched even harder than the Hulk

and Spidey's punches never hurt him.... until he "tainted" his bio energy with radiation which goes a long way to helping the argument that Morlun just seemed that strong to Spider-Man as he absorbed his energy everytime they made contact

i've got all of Morlun's appearances and i went through them the other day for those scans..... nowhere does he actually do anything to show class 100 strength

DigiMark007
Good posts all. And yeah, between the durability feats and speed feats, I think Morlun's higher-level than most give him credit for.

Class 100? Probably not. The draining affect on Spidey accounts for the "harder than Hulk" comments.

I can't see Rogue confounding Spidey like that...but she does have some good feats of strength and durability. I'd give it to Morlun, though not by much.

-DM

DrDoom101
I give it to Morlun 7/10

Scoobless
whistling

What If...
Did she lose her 'orginal' strength, durabilty, flight when she absorbed Sunfire?

and how powerful are Sunfires fire based powers compared to other flame manipulators?

Draco69
As hot as the Sun. He's far more "hot" than Human Torch.

His normal blasts can be as hot as the Sun. Torch on the other hand has to expend all his energy to so....

What If...
So Rogue is technically 'more powerful' now?

Draco69
Yep.

I still don't like it. Rogue to me is always a flying, tank-throwing Southern strongwoman....

who?-kid
Originally posted by Black Adam
Well the only reason Spidey wasn't strong enough and the reason his punches didn't work on him was because Morlun was born to feed of him right? So everytime he punched him he got weaker and Morlun got stronger.
Spider-Man didn't get weaker.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by Black Adam
Then guess this match depends on who uses there advantages better.

Rogue with her flight and Morlun with his speed on the ground.

I heard power draining a another power drainer never goes right with Rogue.

They usually are both sent back knocked out. at least thats what I hear.

IIRC Selene drained Rogue faster then Rogue could drain her..and she's a type of vampire lifeforce-leech.

Scoobless
FYI... I'm pretty sure this fight was intended to be about classic Rogue... not Sunfire Rogue

S.G
Originally posted by Arahan
many poeple doeant want to believe that morlun is a very powerful villian. But he is. And he is a villian I really like, no plans or plots just attack and fight. I always thought that, but nobody agrees with me, hes underated. sad

Scoobless
Well he's dead now.... so.... stick out tongue

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Scoobless
Morlun took a lot more than punches from Spider-Man and he did prove his strength (to a certain extent)

strolls through steel reinforced concrete walls:

1. http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9303/morlun054tm.jpg
2. http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9492/morlun063xx.jpg

taking a lot of impact and getting straight back up:

1. http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/841/morlun017bn.jpg
2. http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/122/morlun026lz.jpg

strolls through another wall (no effort displayed whatsoever):

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8778/morlun037pz.jpg

taking abuse that can't be explained via power sucking:

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3343/morlun081pk.jpg

Speed:

1. http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8/morlunspeed017qq.jpg
2. http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1811/morlunspeed023hu.jpg

durability:

1. http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7269/morlungas14tv.jpg
2. http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6395/morlungas27pl.jpg

strength:

1. http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5067/morlunweb3pi.jpg
2. http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3351/morlun043co.jpg


I don't think he's class 100.... but he certainly seems to be around 50 minimum

Kudos, Scoobs. I was going to say all of this, but you beat me to it. And with scans no less.

Morlun is such a badass. And he's EASILY Class 100 strength.

He would destroy Rogue.

lando005
Morlun is badass but he's not class 100 i would say around the 20s like it was stated before the harder than hulk part was due to him draining spidy with every blow and besides you dont have to be class 100 to preform the feats of strenght morlun's displayed anyone from the class 10-30 range could easily do it....oh and the torch can burn a lot hotter than the sun when he "expands" his power he's going supernova which is a star dying the temp reached then are fary beyond that of which the star had ever reached during the course of it's liftime

Metalmanx
Originally posted by lando005
Morlun is badass but he's not class 100 i would say around the 20s like it was stated before the harder than hulk part was due to him draining spidy with every blow and besides you dont have to be class 100 to preform the feats of strenght morlun's displayed anyone from the class 10-30 range could easily do it....oh and the torch can burn a lot hotter than the sun when he "expands" his power he's going supernova which is a star dying the temp reached then are fary beyond that of which the star had ever reached during the course of it's liftime

Was that proved? Or are you just speculating? Cuz you just be assuming that Morlun was draining Spidey with each punch. If it was proved, please inform me as such. Scans would be nice, too.

Cuz it sure seemed to me that Spidey was still fighting strong all throughout their fights. Just that Morlun wasn't going down

And quick question. Why, if I may ask, did you bring up Human Torch's nova capabilities? confused

What If...
Because I asked about Rogues current powers, Draco explained the flames are stronger than Torch's.

Metalmanx
Originally posted by What If...
Because I asked about Rogues current powers, Draco explained the flames are stronger than Torch's.

Oh, okay. Didn't catch that. My apologies.

Scoobless
But are they really?

lando005
the whole thins is still open to debate about morlun's stenght class but how about this to help prove the my oppinion during the other story arc after morlun beat spidy to within an inch of his life the police showed up and morlun retreated now you gotta ask youself based on every other class 100 that we've seen in marvel if morlun was class 100 why then did he run from the cops?...answer durablity morlun's not durable enough to survive getting shot same as spidy from all the other class 100s that we've seena bullet wouldnt be enough to stop them so why run? and besides can you prove he is class 100?

Scoobless
No... the answer is that Morlun couldn't care less about the cops and had nothing to prove

He deliberately caused a gas explosion and stayed right at the heart of it... I doubt he's worried about bullets

I still think he's around class 50

lando005
if you read the text from when the cops showed up it tells you the dispite all his power he is not invulnerable soo if that's the case why run from a gun? he may be resistaint to certaint types of damage dosent mean he's class 100

Kid Kurdy
Originally posted by lando005
if you read the text from when the cops showed up it tells you the dispite all his power he is not invulnerable soo if that's the case why run from a gun? he may be resistaint to certaint types of damage dosent mean he's class 100
You have a good point, but I really think a guy who barely notices Spider-Mans strongest punches (they have hurt Hulk on more than one occasion), who walks through concrete walls like it's nothing and who survives huge explosions, would be afraid of some bullets.

I think that - after all the trouble he went through - he wanted to enjoy feeding on Spider-Man, you can't do that when a few dozen of policemen show up, shouting and shooting and running in the way.

I think he's above class 50, but it's only my opinion. We haven't seen much strength feats of Morlun, so it's difficult to say.

Scoobless
Plus he's dead... so we probably (hopefully) wont see any more feats from him either.... but you know how comics are with dead characters, so you never know

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Scoobless
Plus he's dead... so we probably (hopefully) wont see any more feats from him either.... but you know how comics are with dead characters, so you never know

Hopefully?

I'd like to see him come back as something other than a Spidey villian. If he terrorized the X-Mansion or something it would be pretty sweet.

Scoobless
I suppose... I mean I liked him as a character.... I'm just sick of the "back from the dead" twist that every comic has done to death (no pun intended)

lando005
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
You have a good point, but I really think a guy who barely notices Spider-Mans strongest punches (they have hurt Hulk on more than one occasion), who walks through concrete walls like it's nothing and who survives huge explosions, would be afraid of some bullets.

I think that - after all the trouble he went through - he wanted to enjoy feeding on Spider-Man, you can't do that when a few dozen of policemen show up, shouting and shooting and running in the way.

I think he's above class 50, but it's only my opinion. We haven't seen much strength feats of Morlun, so it's difficult to say.
i wouldnt say that he brushes off blows from spidy, spidy did a pretty good number on him both times they fought just not good enough

Scoobless
Disagree.... Morlun never seemed like he had been hurt by Spider-Man until the nuclear reactor incident or the Other story

Metalmanx
Originally posted by lando005
if you read the text from when the cops showed up it tells you the dispite all his power he is not invulnerable soo if that's the case why run from a gun? he may be resistaint to certaint types of damage dosent mean he's class 100

Kid Kurdy just explained it, but Morlun wasn't running away from the cops. He wanted to feed on Peter in private, to savor the meal.

By no means was he running. At the least, he's class 75, but in my opinion, he's easily class 100.

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