Guardian vs. Magneto

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snoopdogg
Oh yea....this had to happen.

thesilverspider
Magneto throws him into a blackhole ..............shifty

King_Mungi
That it did, well it depends on who attacks first, since Guardian's "battle suit, as Chris Claremont dubbed it, works almost like an artificial Magneto". Guardian can get past his shield by learning the frequency it is held and surpass it just like he has done against alien shields, Dr.Doom's, and a few others. He can take Magneto out with one hit and vice versa as well.

Originally posted by thesilverspider
Magneto throws him into a blackhole ..............shifty

He sent himself through a blackhole, and ended on Jupitar's moon and a thousand years in the past.

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Alpha_Flight_v1_090_06.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Alpha_Flight_v1_090_07.jpg

snoopdogg
I am gonna sit back and learn from this thread. I don't have a winner picked yet.

King_Mungi
Many also don't know is Mac has a computer for a brain, so when it comes to battle tactics...Guardian has him.

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Alpha_Flight_v1_088_09.jpg

Guardian backs enough power to take down Galactus, when both the Avengers and Alpha Flight fought him thanks to the modifications from the Qwrlln.

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/GuardianGalactus.jpg

demigawd
Don't know ANYTHING about Guardian. It said that Vindicator was actually the one to take down Galactus (take down GALACTUS?!?! There HAS to be more to it than that scan).

So I can't participate in good conscience until I learn more.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by demigawd
Don't know ANYTHING about Guardian. It said that Vindicator was actually the one to take down Galactus (take down GALACTUS?!?! There HAS to be more to it than that scan).

So I can't participate in good conscience until I learn more.

That's Guardian's other name. He first went by Weapon Alpha, then Vindicator, then Guardian, back to Vindicator then to Anti-guard; then back to Guardian.

Galactus was weakened in another dimension and couldn't do most of his cosmic blasts, but still had his physical power. Qwrlln were scared of Galactus and made Mac their secret weapon against him. After that blast, Galactus didn't get back up the fight was over.

Sidenote: the one who Galactus was holding was Mac's wife who wears the same electromagnetic suit as him, until he became a cyborg and his abilites were different. For many years after Mac sent himself through the time portal many thought he died, so she took up his mantle and went by Vindicator, then to Guardian and then back to Vindicator.

demigawd
Originally posted by King_Mungi
That's Guardian's other name. He first went by Weapon Alpha, then Vindicator, then Guardian, back to Vindicator then to Anti-guard; then back to Guardian.

Galactus was weakened in another dimension and couldn't do most of his cosmic blasts, but still had his physical power. Qwrlln were scared of Galactus and made Mac their secret weapon against him. After that blast, Galactus didn't get back up the fight was over.

Sidenote: the one who Galactus was holding was Mac's wife who wears the same electromagnetic suit as him, until he became a cyborg. For many years after Mac sent himself through the time portal many thought he died, so she took up his mantle and went by Vindicator, then to Guardian and then back to Vindicator.

That's bad ass. Anyone who could beat Galactus could beat Magneto, it seems. Whether or not that PIS, or a representation of an average remains to be seen. I'll sit back and let others who know both characters participate. Is there a respect thread or more info about him?

King_Mungi
Originally posted by demigawd
That's bad ass. Anyone who could beat Galactus could beat Magneto, it seems. Whether or not that PIS, or a representation of an average remains to be seen. I'll sit back and let others who know both characters participate. Is there a respect thread or more info about him?

I still say it could go either way, it all depends on who attacks first. Here is the Galactus fight, but not all the scans. Of course Galactus was no where near 100%

1. http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050611215147&q=scan

Glad you asked, it's all from the Alpha FLight respect thread. Their one of the strongest teams in Marvel Universe, but I bet you didn't hear of them before
1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371981&perpage=20&pagenumber=1
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Here Mac sends out a wide-spread EM field that disrupts the people's neural functions making them immobile.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/alpha_flight_93_Mac.jpg

King_Mungi
Here's Mac's bio:
1. http://www.alphaflight.net/character_overviews/guardian1/
2. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/5525/jmh.html

They didn't mention all of his abilites such as sonics, flares, acid blasts, graviton beam, etc.

demigawd
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I still say it could go either way, it all depends on who attacks first. Here is the Galactus fight, but not all the scans. Of course Galactus was no where near 100%

1. http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050611215147&q=scan

Glad you asked, it's all from the Alpha FLight respect thread. Their one of the strongest teams in Marvel Universe, but I bet you didn't hear of them before
1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371981&perpage=20&pagenumber=1
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Here Mac sends out a wide-spread EM field that disrupts the people's neural functions making them immobile.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/alpha_flight_93_Mac.jpg

Ohh, I know all about you and your little crusade, Mungi. You may yet get me to actually read it, lol.

Given your status as the premier AF expert, if you say it's 50/50, I'll accept that - assuming your knowledge of Magneto is up to par.

jasofisc
This is pathtic, mages absorbs all of macs powers and leaves him where he is. Mag is no ware in the same league as Mags let alone Gal. That pic of guardian takeing down Gal was total PIS to the max and should be put in the thread about Victims of PIS/CIS. Serously the guy was taken out by north star.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by demigawd
Ohh, I know all about you and your little crusade, Mungi. You may yet get me to actually read it, lol.

Given your status as the premier AF expert, if you say it's 50/50, I'll accept that - assuming your knowledge of Magneto is up to par.

Bah! Alpha Flight tends to job ALOT. They will be appearing in New Avengers #16 and their going to battles aliens that gained all the mutant powers that the mutants on Earth lost. This is suppose to be the last Alpha FLight battle. Some think it means they will be killed off and others things it will just be a name change, and they join the other Avengers book that is being released.

Yep blackholes, reverse blood flow, Excalibur, sha-bam... the works.

jasofisc
don't get me wrong I like alpha flight and all but when they take out Gal it pisses me off. It disrespects them.

Scoobless
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Guardian backs enough power to take down Galactus, when both the Avengers and Alpha Flight fought him thanks to the modifications from the Qwrlln.

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/GuardianGalactus.jpg

dammit... this Canadian propaganda is getting everywhere!!!

mad

jasofisc
crap I hope they don't kill them off, alpha flight always gets the shaft from marvel.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by jasofisc
This is pathtic, mages absorbs all of macs powers and leaves him where he is. Mag is no ware in the same league as Mags let alone Gal. That pic of guardian takeing down Gal was total PIS to the max and should be put in the thread about Victims of PIS/CIS. Serously the guy was taken out by north star.

Mac can also absorb electromagnetic blasts as well as sonics and send them back twice over. This is Heather doing the trick, but same thing since it;s the same suit. Here she gets attacked from behind and takes a full blast from Klaw and still beats him.

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight121-17.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight121-18.jpg
3. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight121-19.jpg

Him being taken out by Northstar was PIS, due to Mac told him how to take apart the suit when they were in Alpha FLight together and that's how he beat him...uh huh. Mac was rebuilt into a cyborg to take on Galactus, I don't think it's PIS since Galactus was weakened and no where near his full power.

Here Dark Guardian beats Northstar
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFlight26-19.jpg

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Scoobless
dammit... this Canadian propaganda is getting everywhere!!!

mad

One of us...one of us...one of us

Originally posted by jasofisc
crap I hope they don't kill them off, alpha flight always gets the shaft from marvel.

They probally will die, that's the way it goes when your not overly popular *shrugs*

jasofisc
does guardian's suit draw it's power from powercells like iron man or does it draw it's power from the earth's electromagntic field like magneto. If it's power cells then mags out lasts him if not then it's a stalemate for a long time.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by jasofisc
does guardian's suit draw it's power from powercells like iron man or does it draw it's power from the earth's electromagntic field like magneto. If it's power cells then mags out lasts him if not then it's a stalemate for a long time.

Electromagnetic field like Magneto, his suit taps into it. However, it has power packs that store energy from absorption that can be used. Here he lets out all of his power in a blast, but then he recharges in a seconds but he is still flying and has his shield up
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Two-in-One084_11.jpg

Mac could also make a plasma funnel and snuf out the oxygen.
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Fanfare_28_17.jpg

Written to what Alpha Flight can actually do they are real strong. However, I think this fight depends on who attacks first.

Here showing his durability taking hits from Colossus and Wonder Man
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM109_17.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-07.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-08.jpg
4. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight127-13.jpg

demigawd
It seems the suit has breadth of powers...how about scale? Any wide ranging attacks? city/country/planetary-level feats?

Mungi is just taking advantage of all the recent attention to Magneto to post more scans from his respect thread, lol.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by demigawd
It seems the suit has breadth of powers...how about scale? Any wide ranging attacks? city/country/planetary-level feats?

Mungi is just taking advantage of all the recent attention to Magneto to post more scans from his respect thread, lol.

He's one of the good guys, so he hasn't been shown to do something like destroy a city. Or do you mean the distance he can attack at? If so, it was never clearly stated.

Word stick out tongue

jasofisc
would mags be able to block mac from using the earth electro magnitic field. I agree with you now king about the whole first hit thing and it would seem like mac is ideal for taking out superman. But I would still like to explore some more of mags options. Also you are absolutly right about alpha jobing a lot every time I've ever seen them they job. But that's because I have only seen them in other x-titles

King_Mungi
Originally posted by jasofisc
would mags be able to block mac from using the earth electro magnitic field. I agree with you now king about the whole first hit thing and it would seem like mac is ideal for taking out superman. But I would still like to explore some more of mags options. Also you are absolutly right about alpha jobing a lot every time I've ever seen them they job. But that's because I have only seen them in other x-titles

Truthfully I honestly don't know. Magneto once hit Heather with a blast, when she just got the EM suit. She had no idea at this time to use it and was actually going to the X-Mansion to ask Wolverine to train her. Magneto didn't know and attacked her, knocking her out. That's the only thing that comes to mind when they have come somewhat face to face. Naaaa..Superman would beat him by a speedblitz or something.

Oh yeah Mags has a wide variety of abilities, he is no way a one trick pony. Mags would probally get the advantage in this fight, but it could go either way.

Edit: Another thing I just learned recently about Guardian. Once Mac learns a frequency of a telepathy he can block the attacks, protecting everyone in the area.

jasofisc
crap in my last post I ment magneto not superman I really don't know how I did that. I was going from this thread to the superman vs. magneto one... crap crap crap

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