Originally posted by Tony Stark
#1 I do follow MARVEL more than DC which last i checked isn't a sin... I do although collect some DC (JLA, JSA, SM & BM).
Because i believe that The FF can handle Despero as a TEAM. Which IMO no team works better together than they do. ( I never said that The THING would beat him by himself) Although if you go to the preverbale Bubble in the brain, heart, lungs, theory IW can take him out herself.
IW force fields have never been penatrated by anything... Back in the day she did get them broken down by brute force the likes of The HULK, THOR, and by Gladiator with his enhanced strength+ but it wasn't until after quite sometime.
Her powers are much more powerful now than then.
BTW Ben has thrown a giant spacecraft into space from earth with one hand one among many feats of his... CL100... Has defeated The Destroyer... Blastarr...WM...HULK...Dragonman 1 punch KO...IM...Atlas...Didn't get beaten by The Champion and broke his ribs with a body blow...ETC...Has knocked THANOS on his ass with 1 punch...
Is the thought that Despero is CL100 also i'm not so sure choking MM qualifies...
With DC's funky strength ratings The JOKER is a lvl 5 in MARVEL...
They IMO are way overboard.
Because someone supports DC over MARVEL characters are they a DC fanboy...? Maybe...
Can you say Supernova inside a giant forcefield, Reed wraps himself around Despero's head suffacating him while Ben throws haymaker after haymaker until he 's down for the count... Or he just flat out rips his head off...
Or Sue gives him bubble bath in the brain...
I could answer your other questions and negate your other statements (where you are still asserting that Despero would fall before the F4), but I don't think it is worth it. And anyways most people on this thread know just how plain ludicrous it is to have the F4 face off against someone like Despero (that is, unless you add the insane PIS/CIS stuff that Marvel tends to give to Reed ....eg the rather stupid Galactus stuff).
Anyways, the only aspect of this that really needs answering is the following question you made:
Because someone supports DC over MARVEL characters are they a DC fanboy...?
Ok, that's a good question. After all, I have given the three (now two) major Marvel fanboys hell (I'll not name names on this particular post, but it is exceedingly easy to know who I am talking about .....one WAS named after a furry weasel-like creature that in the comic world is a short runt of a man with messed up hair and ginsu knives up his knuckles; the other is named after an ancient Jewish monster of legend that starts with a 'G' and ends with an 'lem370'; and then there is a certain individual who claims to live in 'Stark Tower International').
However, the question is an extremely good one ......does a DC fanboy exist? Is it even possible?
The answer is a HUGE yes!
Fanboys are not limited to Marvel .....goodness,I'm sure somewhere in the deep dank dark depths of KMC there is an Archie comics fanboy.
Thus there is such a thing as a DC fanboy.
However, what is a fanboy?
A fanboy in essence is someone who basically attaches him/herself to a character so much that he/she basically believes that that particular character is either:
a) unbeatable
b) capable of feats that are simply beyond that characters abilities
or
c) starts to extrapolate a character's abilities..
All of the above are tied together by how the fanboy is rabidly adamant that their character is 'superior' .....and this can develop to a level whereby it is almost frightening (and probably clinical) .....a good example here being how Wolverine888 would go all loco if someone said Wolverine would lose .....several times he even threatened to beat up people, which is absolutely hilarious since W888 wouldn't be able to beat up his own shadow even.
Anyways .....
that is a fanboy.
Note however that the key is for someone to say that their character can do things he/she/it cannot, and to adamantly maintain that position IN THE FACE OF ALL LOGIC!
Thus, the conundrum arises. Are there more fanboys in Marvel than in DC?
YES!
Why?
At first I used to think that it was a matter of age ....that most readers of Marvel are young kids ....and thus more susceptible to juvenile inanity....and that most DC readers were more mature and thus more restrained to emotional outbursts (eg 'Wooolbereen weeens') and more likely to exude a logical analysis on a character.
However lately I do not think that is the case (althougb I'd bet most of the more reknown Marvel fanboys are probably around middleschool age).
I think the main reason for more Fanboys in Marvel than DC is that, generally speaking, most Marvel characters do not have the level of feats/capabilities/abilities as most Marvel characters.
Take Superman for example ....DC's premier (though not most powerful) powerhouse.
The dude has soooooo many high-level feats that it is almost impossible to be a fanboy of him.
As in, it is almost impossible to say he can do something .....and him not being able to do it (as shown IN PRINT .....not extrapolation or assumption, but actual comics)
This is because over the decades there have been very many feats attributed to him.
Goodness, even post-crisis Superman has been shown as breaching light speed, and the whole moving the moon thing (against post-crisis) shows that he still has prodigious strength.
In many cases actually DC characters are UNDERestimated not overestimated.
Green Lantern for example has done feats that are just astounding, for example when Kyle contained a SUPERNOVA with his ring (note: Kyle ....not Ion), or when Superman held a blackhole in his hands.
Or take the Flash ......the character has done things,ranging from evacuating a city of 500,000 in 0.00001 seconds while a nuclear weapon is detonating, to stopping the rotation of the EARTH by absorbing all its kinetic energy.
IT is really hard to be a TRUE fanboy of such characters ......chances are they have been shown to do more than whatever it is you are posting.
Unlike Wolverine.
However Marvel has a whole host of characters that, while powerful, do not have quite the wealth of 'uber' feats out there.
For instance Wolverine .....in essence he is just a short man with untameable hair, a love for cheap cigars and Japanese women, and the weird habit of sheathing and unsheathing his claws (even when there is really no reason to).
He is an extremely proficient fighter, has been alive for a long time, and has a vaunted healing factor.
Cool character ......however to the Fanboy that is not enough.
After all, with such a resume even C-level DC heroes (goodness, the side-kicks of C-level DC heroes) would wipe the floor with him.
Thus the fanboy HAS to start saying his character can do this and that, and at the end of the day you have a crazy extrapolation.
Now, take the Phoenix.
An extremely potent Marvel character that doesn't have fanboys.
Why?
Well, she/it is like Superman.
There are so many high level feats that it is almost impossible to say she can do 'this' and she can't.
Take the Silver Surfer ......another Marvel character that you do not see people calling themselves 'silverSurfer8888' after.
Why?
Because his powers speak for themselves.
Someone posts 'Silver Surfer' and everyone AUTOMATICALLY knows we are talking about someone who can fly MANY times the speed of light, and has a whole host of powers due to the Power Cosmic.
However now have a look at the Thing.
Here we have fanboy material.
After all, the Thing is very strong .....but his strength is not the greatest in Marvel, and in DC it is a JOKE.
Realistically speaking the Thing couldn't even get into the JLA RESERVES.
And thus we have a problem for the fanboy.
What happens when someone starts a thread that has the Thing versus a DC character like, say, the Martian Manhunter.
95% of the forum knows that in a matchup between the two MM would beat the Thing so fast it would be ridiculous.
But the fanboy loves the Thing, and thus starts to say stuff like:
'well, the Thing has heart and great fighting ability.'
Illogical!
Sometime back someone actually put a thread that pitted Spiderman (yes, the friendly neighborhood dude with the 'relative powers of a spider') against Superman.
That IS a faboy.
Or Wolverine versus WonderWoman for instance.
Or saying that the Thing is a better physical exponent than DESPERO!
However have, say, Gladiator versus Superman, or Dr Strange versus Dr Fate ....and those are equal fights (equal as in they are ANALOGOUS).
Anyways, is it possible for DC to have fanboys?
Yes .....and to a good extent Batman does have some fanboys.
However far and large Marvel tends to have the greater number of fanboys, and this is either due to age reasons (although I doubt that is the sole cause) and also due to a dearth of uber-level feats done by Marvel characters.
for instance take the Hulk.
There have been like 1,000 threads on Hulk vs Superman, and in virtually all of them Superman has come out ahead.
However it is hard to call someone a 'Hulk fanboy.'
Why?
Well, because the Hulk has VERY many high-level feats under his sleeve.
The only reason he doesn't win against Superman is because Superman simply has just as many feats (actually more), PLUS Superman is multi-dimensional in his powers while the Hulk is quite one-dimensional.
HOWEVER, a Hulk fanboy is a rarity .....while there may be some KMCers who think the Hulk would beat ANYBODY, it is hard to call them fanboys.
Why?
Because while the Hulk CANNOT beat anybody, he can beat ALMOST anybody.
That is quite different from saying, say, that the Thing has a chance against Superman (as someone actually did some time back).
However if someone says that the Thing can beat Despero, or that Spiderman can beat Superman, or that Wolverine can beat Wonderwoman.
Or for that matter says Batman can beat Thor.
Then that person is a fanboy.