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Round 1
-1 week prep time each side
-random battle field

Round 2
-no prep time
-random battle field

Thanos eats him

and your proof of this is were?

Originally posted by Mider
and your proof of this is were? you are actually trying to place a mutant....against a freaking Skyfather....this is crazy, you know mental attacks dont work on thanos dont you?

Originally posted by King KAM
you are actually trying to place a mutant....against a freaking Skyfather....this is crazy, you know mental attacks dont work on thanos dont you?

Well, you do know there are some mutants beyond Skyfather and there are also mutants with potential to be beyond Skyfather and Thanos is bellow Skyfather.

He isn't that far below Skyfather, just because he couldn't beat Odin, I doubt many of the other Skyfathers could beat him in Asgard.

Thanos wins both battles.

Originally posted by King KAM
you are actually trying to place a mutant....against a freaking Skyfather....this is crazy, you know mental attacks dont work on thanos dont you? Well, you do know that Thanos is not per se immune against mental attacks? He's simply got an immensly powerful, thus highly resistant mind...but so has Nate.
What makes me think that Thanos will win is the prep. If it were just power vs. power the outcome would be more debatable.

We are finding out that mutants has great potential and are potentially the most powerful beings in MU. So it would not be suprise Nate Grey full power should go beyond that of Thanos.

nate at full potential easily. nate at normal potential would be a fight worth seeing though.

errr...

http://img25.imagevenue.com/loc212/th_69494_xha98_p22.jpg

Notably, this occurs after the onslaught saga. Which indicates that nate at least thinks thanos is more powerful than onslaught. And who would know better than him?

Doesn't look like thanos is having too much trouble with nate...


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Doesn't look like Shaman Nate either....................still inexperienced with his powers there but we are talking about Thanos there with some mysticism thrown in for good measures.

Does any body have any feats for Shaman Nate?

Originally posted by Xplosive
Well, you do know there are some mutants beyond Skyfather and there are also mutants with potential to be beyond Skyfather and Thanos is bellow Skyfather. What mutant is even close to skyfathwer level, you are always on so MUCH bullshit that NOBODY with any credibility on this forum even takes you serious, when you said you were leaving and quote"begged" the mods to delete your account, people cheered,

What mutant is close to skyfather??? what mutant has shown these abilitlies????Thanos has beaten a skyfather, and stalemated the most powerful one, and thats BEFORE his last upgrade, show me some proof instead of just saying you normal idiotic banter.

Originally posted by wannabe
Well, you do know that Thanos is not per se immune against mental attacks? He's simply got an immensly powerful, thus highly resistant mind...but so has Nate.
What makes me think that Thanos will win is the prep. If it were just power vs. power the outcome would be more debatable. If moondragon while possesing the mind gem cant mentally attack thanos then Nate cant, Nate has never shown to be dominant and is 90percent hype, He lost to cable, while shaman, Nate isnt anywhere near a cosmic being, if GOD-LIKE cable loses to Silver Surfer, who cant touch Thanos, than how and the hell does cables test tube brother do it????

from the little ive read about him he is a monster

Originally posted by Mider
from the little ive read about him he is a monster which one?

Isn't Thanos a mutant? Albeit an Eternal mutant. Also I think that Franklin Richards, Hyperstorm, and Jean Grey/Phoenix would be higher than a skyfather at some point or another. Scarlet Witch might be up there too. Some mutants are at or above skyfathers but they seem to be the exception rather than the norm.

Don't know much about this uber version of Nate but Thanos in any situation is too much of a powerhouse for mere humans. Mutants are not potentially the most powerful beings in MU that's utter utter shit and half a dimwit would not say that

Originally posted by TheKahn
Isn't Thanos a mutant? Albeit an Eternal mutant. Also I think that Franklin Richards, Hyperstorm, and Jean Grey/Phoenix would be higher than a skyfather at some point or another. Scarlet Witch might be up there too. Some mutants are at or above skyfathers but they seem to be the exception rather than the norm. Phoenix isnt a mutant, she is a cosmic, and Franklin Richards isnt a mutant, but he also isnt skyfather, he has no durability and has never shown anything that could affect a skyfather, all he is right now is HYPE plain and simple....no mutant is above skyfather, its just the way it is. there is a heiarchy and mutants are at the bottom.

And yes thanos is a mutant, but hes not an earth mutant, he was born with 2 mutant powers.

Originally posted by LordFear
Don't know much about this uber version of Nate but Thanos in any situation is too much of a powerhouse for mere humans. Mutants are not potentially the most powerful beings in MU that's utter utter shit and half a dimwit would not say that THANK YOU!

Originally posted by King KAM
Phoenix isnt a mutant, she is a cosmic, and Franklin Richards isnt a mutant, but he also isnt skyfather, he has no durability and has never shown anything that could affect a skyfather, all he is right now is HYPE plain and simple....no mutant is above skyfather, its just the way it is. there is a heiarchy and mutants are at the bottom.

And yes thanos is a mutant, but hes not an earth mutant, he was born with 2 mutant powers.

Franklin isn't a mutant?
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/r/richardsfranklin.htm
The cosmic radiation that had given Reed and Susan Richards their superhuman powers also resulted in affecting the genetic structure of their son: Franklin was born a mutant. Unlike most superhuman mutants, whose unusual powers do not emerge until the mutant reaches puberty, Franklin began manifesting his superhuman powers at a very early age. In the normal course of events, Franklin's psionic powers would presumably increasingly emerge as he grew older until they reach their full, vast potential when he achieves maturity.

And the Celestials seem to think he's above a skyfather and potential an equal of them. And lets not forget he created an entire pocket universe by himself as a child.

Also Hyperstorm is the mutant son of Franklin and Rachel Summers. And his powers have been compared to Galactus'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperstorm

Scarlet Witch managed to alter the entire earth and the memory of all of the people on it.

Hell, I don't even think Marvel knows what Jean is now.

But none of these characters can match a skyfather???

Originally posted by soleran30
Doesn't look like Shaman Nate either....................still inexperienced with his powers there but we are talking about Thanos there with some mysticism thrown in for good measures.

Err, this is well past the onslaugth saga. And nate beats on the hulk with just tk and psi-armor. That hardly qualifies as being "inexperienced."

richards at full potential is perhaps above a skyfather nate gray at full potential has done some insane crap that would scare even thanos.

Originally posted by Mider
richards at full potential is perhaps above a skyfather nate gray at full potential has done some insane crap that would scare even thanos.


Thanos has not seen much that would make him crap his pants.
When you best gods on a regular, it takes much to scare you.
Something people oftentimes forget is that Thanos IQ is a five on a scale of six. While he fights you, he IS strategizing

what gods has he fought sept lame lower gods like thor who shouldnt even be called gods cause they lose to people like the wrecking crew.

Originally posted by slade10
Err, this is well past the onslaugth saga. And nate beats on the hulk with just tk and psi-armor. That hardly qualifies as being "inexperienced."


Dude the guy was grown in a testube and he looks like an adult but is what like 10 years old really in that fight...............think about it born with massive powers then only 10 years to find ways to channel it and make it effective? He is still inexperienced.

Originally posted by Mider
what gods has he fought sept lame lower gods like thor who shouldnt even be called gods cause they lose to people like the wrecking crew.


Let's see Mephisto is considered a lame god???
A manifestation of pure evil on Earth?
Adam Warlock by many is considered a god.
The countless of Galactus's heralds fall at his hands with ease.

How could a full power nate be more powerful than thanos. Cable was at his full power and was not even on the surfer's level. Don't the two have the same exact powers?

With prep-time Thanos wins, but without I think a full potential Nate should be able to take the majority.

Originally posted by Mider
and your proof of this is were? common sense and logic.

Thanos is too damn powerful for xman, Thanos has the ability to absorb any form of energy cosmic,plasma, including psionic energy. Thanos is a f**king beast you can't mind attack him even moondragon with the mind gem couldn't read his mind what makes you think xman can. Thanos has thrown down with marvels top dogs with own powers or some other power source depending on regardless thanos can pretty much beat anybody the situtation.

why does everybody always bring up cable vs surfer.cable wanted to die ,he let surfer kill. he did it so his true power could be released.he knew he would only die in the physical sense.read the book more carefully

Originally posted by waterboy
why does everybody always bring up cable vs surfer.cable wanted to die ,he let surfer kill. he did it so his true power could be released.he knew he would only die in the physical sense.read the book more carefully

not really. Since when did the surfer go around killing human mutants that really arent' a threat to him? the fact that SS decided to just take away his powers proved this. Wouldn't a powerfully telepath know this about him?

and for someone who was willing to die by the surfers hand he sured did resist the surfer a lot.

He's right in a fashion, btw. Throughout that issue, Cable & Deadpool #10. Nathan and Irene Merryweather were going through an entire conversation in which Nathan revealed his master plan. That plan being to unite the entire world against him and ultimately sacrifice himself so they would understand the folly of their ways.
In other words he was trying to be a Mutant Jesus Christ. He even mentioned in the comic that he feared NONE of the earth-based heroes and that none of them could stop him unless they located someone who could generate enough raw energy to burn his own out quickly, ex; Silver Surfer.

And the Surfer never really TOOK Nathan's powers from him. He just wounded Cable. It was Deadpool who used a devise to lobotomize Cable and take away his powers at CABLE'S request. Cable could have easily survived Radd's injury. So yes, Cable intended to get rid of his powers.

Originally posted by Black Adam
not really. Since when did the surfer go around killing human mutants that really arent' a threat to him? the fact that SS decided to just take away his powers proved this. Wouldn't a powerfully telepath know this about him?

and for someone who was willing to die by the surfers hand he sured did resist the surfer a lot.


he had to put up a fight to get surfer mad enough to kill him ,because surfer doesn't just go around killing unless he feel he has no choice. not saying he would have beat surfer ,but going all out it would have been a better fight. he did break surfers board with his tk

Originally posted by King KAM
What mutant is even close to skyfathwer level.

And what was Scarlet Witch, Franklin Richards, Hyperstorm, Rachel Summers and the most powerful being in MU, Phoenix. That is right, all mutants. Yo are joke to this forum King KAM, literally.

Originally posted by Mider
richards at full potential is perhaps above a skyfather nate gray at full potential has done some insane crap that would scare even thanos.

If it said equal to Celestial, than Skyfather wouldn't be close to Franklin Richards, a mutant.

Originally posted by King KAM
Phoenix isnt a mutant, she is a cosmic, and Franklin Richards isnt a mutant.

Hahahha, you are joke.

be nice people darkone why do you always come on here saying that this character and that character can beat such and such with no proof im sorry but you already kinda admited that you dont have time in your life to study on these characters making your own opinions mute you did this to yourself no one did it to you. So it makes me think youve never studied shamain nate and the crazy stuff he's done and it makes me think you wouldnt know if he truly is more powerful then thanos which in my opinion he is.

Not even Shaman Nate is full-potential. He had better control of his powers, but didn't that tattoo limit them to a physically managable level?

full potential nate grey would require a body with superhuman durability and/or regeneration; at that level, i think he would give thanos a fight on an off day.

completely speculative thanos 8/10

if you read the feats that shamain nate did you wouldnt even question him winning this is the only info i could find on him sorry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Man

thanos crumb stomps him into shit.

umm no darkone NO

Thanos crumb stomps his ass to hell. Thanos over all is too powerful for nate, Thanos will blast him into oblivion. Thanos 10/10

Originally posted by Mider
be nice people darkone why do you always come on here saying that this character and that character can beat such and such with no proof im sorry but you already kinda admited that you dont have time in your life to study on these characters making your own opinions mute you did this to yourself no one did it to you. So it makes me think youve never studied shamain nate and the crazy stuff he's done and it makes me think you wouldnt know if he truly is more powerful then thanos which in my opinion he is.


When Thanos fought Odin, Odin was surprise that Thanos can tap into unknown dark power source in that same book, adam warlock stated that whey haven't seen Thaons full power or potential basically he holds back a lot in battles. Thanos is more powerful than nate can ever dream of, when thanos battles he holds back and the damage he produce shows how powerful he really is. Thanos fought beings that will crush nate with ease and saying not is outrageous.

and what beings has he fought that would stomp nate pray tell?

Tyrant, Odin, Galactus, Fallen One, Omega (Galactus/Thanos clone), Magnus (with 5 infinity gems)...

some of nates feats http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-18951.html

Originally posted by the Darkone
When Thanos fought Odin, Odin was surprise that Thanos can tap into unknown dark power source in that same book, adam warlock stated that whey haven't seen Thaons full power or potential basically he holds back a lot in battles. Thanos is more powerful than nate can ever dream of, when thanos battles he holds back and the damage he produce shows how powerful he really is. Thanos fought beings that will crush nate with ease and saying not is outrageous.

Thanos didn't stalmate Odin, Odin pretty much played with him and humilate Thanos. Thanos was almost cripple after the fight. Odin literally didn't break a sweat. Odin is much above Thanos.

it is interesting that Nate could open dimensional portals ..................wow thats alot of power! However its that kind of power that would burn him out against Thanos I love Nate but he was human and its not that he doesn't have ALOT of power or a dynamic power its just that his body cannot take as much as Thanos can who is fueld by cosmic energy.

thanos 7/10

Originally posted by Xplosive
Thanos didn't stalmate Odin, Odin pretty much played with him and humilate Thanos. Thanos was almost cripple after the fight. Odin literally didn't break a sweat. Odin is much above Thanos. I don't think so. He knocked Surfer out of the fight without breaking a sweat but Thanos gave him a hell of a fight. In fact Odin only knocks Thanos down twice in the whole thing and he gets back to his feet both times, and Odin comments how he hasn't fought such a good opponent in years.

nate

Nate Grey has no serious chance against Thanos. Shaman or otherwise. His body doesn't have the durability that many upper cosmic beings do. Without the physical durability to match his raw power -- no chance.

really? the second most powerful mutant to ever have lived has no chance? i think people are talkin out of their asses. even cable at full potential can eat stars and supernovas, nate is significantly more powerful than cable. nate wins this.

Cable lost to the Silver Surfer because the amount of energy he put out put a strain on his body. The same thing holds true for X-Man. Even with his " patch ". If he exerted an abnormal amount of energy for long periods of time he wouldn't be able to maintain it. Thanos on the other hand has the physical capability to continuously exert those HIGH amounts of energy and not feel a physical strain. I'm not saying Nate Grey, like Cable doesn't have the POWER to compete. I'm saying that their over all durability doesn't allow them to. After all when it comes down to it they're still both physically only humans. They can still suffer from all the basic physical ailments that we do. Like sickness, disease, minimal physical damage.

not really, nate has psionic shielding. he also can create psionic armour with no upper strength level and durabilty enough to easily take holocasts's punches. n that was at the very beginning.

But he can only hold it up for so long. Besides, that psionic shielding has been broken before by lesser beings. Like Jacknife. And in his comic fight versus Thanos, X-Man's shielding held up just enough to keep him alive. But these things are again tied to whether he's exhausted or not. Fighting someone like THANOS he'd need to be physically superior. And he isn't. He has the power to compete, just not the durability for it to matter.

he does have the durabiltiy. ur just considering his earlier fights when he had almost no control over his powers. {remember that after being born and in his teens he had one of the least IN CHECK powers among all of mutants} also then he was infected with the aging virus. he can even at normal potential hoild up his shield indefinately n he has gone up against thanos before in the hulk's mind n stuff.

I have all 75 issues of X-Man. His PHYSICAL durability is no match for Thanos. Shaman or otherwise. He just doesn't have the over all experience, strength or endurance to take on a cosmic being. If you recall a few issues back before he went Shaman he went against some cosmic-esque beings and was easily tossed aside. ( X-Man #'s 53-55. ) And this is well after his first days. He's got the power but not the durability or endurance to wield it.

The reason I said that full potential Nate should win without preptime (with it Thanos curbstomps him) is that he is suspose to have TK on a similar level to the Pheonix. One of the only ways to kill Thanos (or at least KO him) would be to disperse the molecules that make up his body. He wouldn't need alot of time or druibility, just enough raw power.

Originally posted by Wally West
I don't think so. He knocked Surfer out of the fight without breaking a sweat but Thanos gave him a hell of a fight. In fact Odin only knocks Thanos down twice in the whole thing and he gets back to his feet both times, and Odin comments how he hasn't fought such a good opponent in years.

Thanos was nothing to Odin. Odin didn't break a sweat or had trobule with Thanos. If you wanna talk about someone holding back, it was Odin aganist Thanos.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
really? the second most powerful mutant to ever have lived has no chance? i think people are talkin out of their asses. even cable at full potential can eat stars and supernovas, nate is significantly more powerful than cable. nate wins this.

Second one? He is not second one, but could be in top 5 (potentialy not even in top 5, potentialy not even Franklin Richards could in top 5). If we speak potential, Nate should have greater raw power than Thanos. Now this durabilty is question, but if we speak potential, probably his body should be up there in the end with his raw power.
I also rememebr durabiitly of Phoenix in early state. She was always weak, her body too weak for such power. Look now, where she reached her potantial, the most powerful being in MU, a mutant.
The same will/would be with Nate, except that he won't have such power level as Phoenix. But body should be in the end up there.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Thanos was nothing to Odin. Odin didn't break a sweat or had trobule with Thanos. If you wanna talk about somone holding back, it was Odin Vs. Thanos.



Second one? He is not second one, but could be in top 5 (potentialy not even in top 5, potentaily not even Franklin Richards could in top 5). If we speak potenial, Nate should have greater raw power than Thanos. Now this durabilty is question, but if we speak poteantial, probably his body should be up there in the end with his raw power.

no he definately is the second most powreful, no PIS. well unless u take wanda's chaos wave seriously, than she is already beyond the living tribunal in powers but thas bullshit an every1 knows it. mutant heirarchy goes like this{average power levels no PIS}{oh n btw, just cause sum1 is named omega NOW, doesnt mean that others dont have omega potential too, most of the powerful mutants have omega potential n jean doesnt count as the phoenix is not her mutation but another power source altogether


FRANKLIN RICHARDS
NATE GREY
CABLE
HYPERSTORM
LEGION
STRYFE
SCARLET WITCH
ALPHA THE ULTIMATE MUTANT
MAGNETO
XAVIER
GAMBIT{red son, full potential}
ICEMAN{full potential}
JUBILEE{full potential}
KID OMEGA
ELIXIR
APOCALYPSE
JEAN GREY

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no he definately is the second most powreful, no PIS. well unless u take wanda's chaos wave seriously, than she is already beyond the living tribunal in powers but thas bullshit an every1 knows it. mutant heirarchy goes like this{average power levels no PIS}{oh n btw, just cause sum1 is named omega NOW, doesnt mean that others dont have omega potential too, most of the powerful mutants have omega potential n jean doesnt count as the phoenix is not her mutation but another power source altogether


FRANKLIN RICHARDS
NATE GREY
CABLE
HYPERSTORM
LEGION
STRYFE
SCARLET WITCH
ALPHA THE ULTIMATE MUTANT
MAGNETO
XAVIER
GAMBIT{red son, full potential}
ICEMAN{full potential}
JUBILEE{full potential}
KID OMEGA
ELIXIR
APOCALYPSE
JEAN GREY

No. And where is Phoenix (last in that group). I really don't understand how you see things. Did you read what Eternity said for Jean Grey or Phoenix in other words. Yes, I don't think Eternity was making that up. You are so wrong about ceratin things.
Did you see who are omega mutants (at least revealed for now). Yes, Nate and Franklin aren't among them, so already that tells you enough. Iceman full potential (if he ever reach that power, he must train enough) will go beyond Franklin or Nate.
Hyperstorm with all that power, still lost to Galactus, while Rachel Summers (Phoenix II) defeated Galactus, so that tells you enough.

Originally posted by Xplosive
No. And where is Phoenix (last in that group). I really don't understand how you see things. Did you read what Eternity said for Jean Grey or Phoenix in other words. Yes, I don't think Eternity was making that up. You are so wrong about ceratin things.
Did you see who are omega mutants (at least revealed for now). Yes, Nate and Franklin aren't among them, so already that tells you enough. Iceman full potential (if he ever reach that power, he must train enough) will go beyond Franklin or Nate.
Hyperstorm with all that power, still lost to Galactus, while Rachel Summers (Phoenix II) defeated Galactus, so that tells you enough.


if u stopped listening to wierd posts for one second ud realize that my list is fine. the omega level mutant concept is still not clear. at one hand iceman is said to have incredible MATTER manipulation powers at full omega potential. but another theory states that omega level mutants will take the place of abstracts while another says that all of humanity will take the place of abstracts, no logical conclusion CAN be deduced from this. you have to take feats, confirmed statement n predictions and average power levels.as far as phoenix goes there are a lot of contradictions but one thing is for sure, its an ABSTRACT and NOT a mutant power, both jean and rachel can use it but its not THEIR power. before jean there was another alien host and controller of the phoenix.

as far as average power levels and feats with no PIS go this is the right list.

FRANKLIN created multiple full sized universe without even realizing or breaking a sweat. he also resurrected galactus n didnt actually burn out his power
NATE is said to have the power to surpass dark PHOENIX and his weaker brother cable, can potentially eat stars
CABLE well its obvious isnt it,
HYPERSTORM was a MULTIVERSAL threat and it was a bit of a stretch that galactus beat him


and well the list goes on n im not explainin everythin again for the sake of myown mind. just one thing though, IF u were to take everything GS and phoenix and omega supporters told u at face value without evaluating it, than WANDA would be currently the most powerful being in the marvel MEGAVERSE, as even LT cud do nuthin to her n the OMNIVERSAL guardian had to address her. simply, tahs ridiculous, PIS shud not be taken.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
if u stopped listening to wierd posts for one second ud realize that my list is fine. the omega level mutant concept is still not clear. at one hand iceman is said to have incredible MATTER manipulation powers at full omega potential. but another theory states that omega level mutants will take the place of abstracts while another says that all of humanity will take the place of abstracts, no logical conclusion CAN be deduced from this. you have to take feats, confirmed statement n predictions and average power levels.as far as phoenix goes there are a lot of contradictions but one thing is for sure, its an ABSTRACT and NOT a mutant power, both jean and rachel can use it but its not THEIR power. before jean there was another alien host and controller of the phoenix.

as far as average power levels and feats with no PIS go this is the right list.

FRANKLIN created multiple full sized universe without even realizing or breaking a sweat. he also resurrected galactus n didnt actually burn out his power
NATE is said to have the power to surpass dark PHOENIX and his weaker brother cable, can potentially eat stars
CABLE well its obvious isnt it,
HYPERSTORM was a MULTIVERSAL threat and it was a bit of a stretch that galactus beat him


and well the list goes on n im not explainin everythin again for the sake of myown mind. just one thing though, IF u were to take everything GS and phoenix and omega supporters told u at face value without evaluating it, than WANDA would be currently the most powerful being in the marvel MEGAVERSE, as even LT cud do nuthin to her n the OMNIVERSAL guardian had to address her. simply, tahs ridiculous, PIS shud not be taken.

It's obvious Phoenix is a mutant. She is one with PF, that is her mutant potential, so she is a mutant (it's their power).
Franklin is wow, but Scarlet Witch surpassed his feats recently (and Franklin didn't create full sized universe, but a little pocket universe or smaller realites, not close to our own in size).
About Nate, and surpassing Dark Pheonix, hey it's Phoenix, so you can forget about that, and you said going by feats. Nate at full is nothing to Phoenix.
Cable to eat stars, not a feat (goin by feat he lost to SS, so Thanos would tear him apart, Calbe was holding back, but so was SS, I think Godlike Cable has greater raw power than SS, but I can't prove shit, only my opinion, so here logically would say Nate doesn't stand a chance against Thanos, but thtred say full potentail).
Hyperstorm was power, but lost to Galactus (but that is not negative, because Galactus is also a power).

Originally posted by Xplosive

Did you see who are omega mutants (at least revealed for now). Yes, Nate and Franklin aren't among them, so already that tells you enough. Iceman full potential (if he ever reach that power, he must train enough) will go beyond Franklin or Nate.


Just thought I'd mention that Franlkin is now an official omega mutant

Originally posted by leonheartmm
if u stopped listening to wierd posts for one second ud realize that my list is fine. the omega level mutant concept is still not clear. at one hand iceman is said to have incredible MATTER manipulation powers at full omega potential. but another theory states that omega level mutants will take the place of abstracts while another says that all of humanity will take the place of abstracts, no logical conclusion CAN be deduced from this. you have to take feats, confirmed statement n predictions and average power levels.as far as phoenix goes there are a lot of contradictions but one thing is for sure, its an ABSTRACT and NOT a mutant power, both jean and rachel can use it but its not THEIR power. before jean there was another alien host and controller of the phoenix.

as far as average power levels and feats with no PIS go this is the right list.

FRANKLIN created multiple full sized universe without even realizing or breaking a sweat. he also resurrected galactus n didnt actually burn out his power
NATE is said to have the power to surpass dark PHOENIX and his weaker brother cable, can potentially eat stars
CABLE well its obvious isnt it,
HYPERSTORM was a MULTIVERSAL threat and it was a bit of a stretch that galactus beat him


and well the list goes on n im not explainin everythin again for the sake of myown mind. just one thing though, IF u were to take everything GS and phoenix and omega supporters told u at face value without evaluating it, than WANDA would be currently the most powerful being in the marvel MEGAVERSE, as even LT cud do nuthin to her n the OMNIVERSAL guardian had to address her. simply, tahs ridiculous, PIS shud not be taken.

When dealing with gods, like Franklin and Phoenix and SW, PIS doesn't apply.

They're GODS. So you can't dismiss anything they do as PIS - they MAKE reality.

Originally posted by demigawd
When dealing with gods, like Franklin and Phoenix and SW, PIS doesn't apply.

They're GODS. So you can't dismiss anything they do as PIS - they MAKE reality.


i NEVER said anythin about them not being gods. its only WANDA. whose a probelm. when a character suddenly turns from being a normal character to dominating the omniverse than thas PIS. both phonix, and FRANKLIN have gotten powered up grdually, thas why its not PIS, wanda however IS.

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Just thought I'd mention that Franlkin is now an official omega mutant

Ok, but Nate is not. So there are more omega mutants and Nate is not among them. So that means automaticly he is not on second place. That was my point.

I'm not saying that his list is correct, but it does seem to give a good definition of what an Omega level mutant is and why certain characters are considered in that level.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-Level_Mutant#Confirmed_Omega_Level_Mutants:

A few things to think about:

Pretty much anyone below skyfather (with the exceptions of Warlock, Strange, etc) is going to fall to Thanos with prep. I mean, he's taken over the universe WITHOUT prep, so prep is going to put Nate at a considerable disadvantage. Even if Nate were to gather info on Thanos from all the files from the Avengers, FF, X-Men, etc., he'd still be at a huge disadvantage against Thanos, because he's lived so long and his tech and knowledge are so advanced.

As far as no prep is concerned...This is a bit more difficult for me. Thanos biggest advantage here is experience. Nate isn't used to fighting beings on Thanos' level, and I'm not talking just in terms of power. I think, no, I KNOW that Nate has more than enough power to take Thanos. Whether he'd take a solid majority or not, I'm not sure.

And another thing...I've always found the bit about Nate and Cable's bodies not being able to handle that amount of power as pure bull. Jean Grey and all of her offspring, direct, test tube or otherwise, all are omega mutants with unlimited TP and TK. With Rachel being shown altering her own DNA, I don't understand why it would be such a stretch for any of them to fix that problem. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I suppose it's one of those things writers do to keep TPs and TKs from being too powerful...

Its a way to keep Nate and Cable at a level where they would be interesting. The fact that their power could kill them adds drama otherwise they would be so powerful they would be boring as few villians would ever pose a challenge.

as far as powerful mutants -- thanos is a mutant too . . . where does HE fit your lists? i'm also not sure what full power nate is. beyond godlike cable? thanos would certainly beat godlike cable who from all i've seen was comparable and maybe<ss. can his powers go beyond that?

thanos MIGHT beat godlike cable, but thas not FULL potential cable. cable even at his godlike state is far from his full potential.

Originally posted by leonidas
as far as powerful mutants -- thanos is a mutant too . . . where does HE fit your lists? i'm also not sure what full power nate is. beyond godlike cable? thanos would certainly beat godlike cable who from all i've seen was comparable and maybe<ss. can his powers go beyond that?

I doubt its an offical list but it seems that to be an omega you have to be able to transend your physical body and become an abstract or have the potential to. So I wouldn't think that Thanos is an Omega although he is extremely powerful. Being an Omega seems to have more to do with the nature of your power rather than a measure of it.

based on my knowledge of shaman's feats, I don't see how you can say nate would win.

If you extrapolate from his feats, perhaps. But extrapolation is dirty business. One could just as easily extrapolate from thanos' feats, and argue that eventually he will become (on his own power) co-equal of death, eternity, and galactus.

Nate at Full potential is pure energy, he would emit the equivalent of a super nova. Directed properly at Thanos, i think nate would prevail. Now thanos w/ prep time maybe not.


Nate Grey surpasses cables potential and look at what cables up tothese days.

anyway, i havent been following cable much after he lost his powers. but i hear that hes got em back in cabledeadpool 25? if i may ask...how and whad i miss?

Thanos crumb stomp his xman!

harmonic where have you BEEN?

Shaman nate was not coming close to beating quabri, who i'd put roughly at green lantern power level.

I really doubt he can take down thanos. Why do you guys think "full potential" nate is that much more powerful than shaman nate?

Originally posted by the Darkone
Thanos crumb stomp his xman! Pretty much sums it up.

nate gray servived a blast that could instantly kill thor but then again i thor is as durable then thanos but im just stating xman is not one to mess with but in an all out battle thanos would probably dominate him.

Thanos & Thor survived a plantey explosion and that was regular Thanos I might add, their durability is beyond xman dreams. Thanos has destroyed planet when he was fighting Drax the destroyer and another destroyed it with a single blast. Xman greatest feat was defeating Exodus, as where Thanos has defeated Silver Surfer, Thor, The Thing, Professor Hulk, Champion of the Universe, Maker( True Beyonder, Kosmos), Adam Warlock, Captain Mar-vell, In-Betweener(depowered),The Fallen One, Namor, Mesphisto, etc and stalemate others Odin, Tyrant, etc, Thanos will suck Nate dry and leave him for dead or turn him into one of his heralders like the Fallen One, Thanos 10/10

Unless Nathan Grey reached a point that his physical form was neigh indestructible he's not going to defeat Thanos.

Originally posted by slade10
Shaman nate was not coming close to beating quabri, who i'd put roughly at green lantern power level.

I really doubt he can take down thanos. Why do you guys think "full potential" nate is that much more powerful than shaman nate?

shaman nate grey was NOT EVEN CLOSE to his full potential. and still he brought back to life every1 on the planet and gave them back their life force, even at that potential, he was as powerful as that, hey he also simultaneously destroyed the entire harvester alien race and their devices which had previously destroyed planets, civilizations and sucked the life force of the planet in much the same way as galactus. at full potential nate is more than a match for thanos.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
shaman nate grey was NOT EVEN CLOSE to his full potential. and still he brought back to life every1 on the planet and gave them back their life force, even at that potential, he was as powerful as that, hey he also simultaneously destroyed the entire harvester alien race and their devices which had previously destroyed planets, civilizations and sucked the life force of the planet in much the same way as galactus. at full potential nate is more than a match for thanos.

AFAIK,

1. the harvesters were nothing like galactus at all. They planted mitochondria seed on earth, and took billions of years to harvest it. Galactus eats entire planets, not mitochondria. And he does it quickly, not over billions of years.

Even after the harvesting beacon is sent, it takes them at least decades to actually reap the crop.

2. Nate did not resurrect earth on his own power. He absorbed the harvester and used his energy to resurrect them -- in the process, killing himself.

3. Even if he had done so on his own power, that doesn't suggest a power level that can compete with thanos.

Surfer has resurrected an entire planet, and was fine afterwards. Nate killed himself when he did it. And thanos stomps surfer.

4. If nate is as powerful as pheonix full potential (the force, not the mutant), he obviously wins. Not sure where that's coming from, though. Shaman nate could not defeat an ~green lantern enemy. And I didn't see any indication that he was growing in power in the issues I skimmed.

He only was able to wield it more effectively and wasn't going to burn out at 21 because he " merged " with an alternate " Nate Grey " who gave him a patch on his chest to keep him alive. Thanos would MURDER Nate Grey and sh*t down his throat.

Even with a body that could withstand the amount of power he was putting out, he'd still lose. 1. Thanos is far more durable than most of the MU. 2. He fights guys like Odin and Tyrant, and comes out alive and conscious. To clarify, Tyrant spanked over 12 HERALD level beings in one fight. 3. Thanos is more experienced at combat and a better fighter than Nate. 4. Thanos is at least 5-10x smarter than Nate. Which isn't really a knock, cause Thanos is 5-10x smarter than most of the MU. 5. Nate>=Thanos? Not bloody likely. Nate has never demonstrated anywhere near the power Thanos has. Maybe full potential could surprise me, but I don't see him as being much stronger than Surfer, who Thanos pimp slaps on a regular basis. And finally 6. Thanos w/e prep. Dude, you screwed any chance he has of winning. Thanos is probably THE BEST prep guy in Marvel. Strange is the only guy who rivals Thanos in prep. And we know what he can do.


So all in all, massive bloody curbstomp in favor of the mad titan. Btw, Thanos is probably equal to Death now, seeing as how they finally hooked up and Richard Ryder saw a disturbing vision of the happy couple. Thanos as Death's consort is a scary scenario.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Thanos will suck Nate dry

QFT?

Lets say it is Shaman Nate Gray, so th body isn't a issue.

Dude, I don't care if it's druid Nate Grey or if he was boosted by the uni-power. He's not beating Thanos. It's just truth.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Dude, I don't care if it's druid Nate Grey or if he was boosted by the uni-power. He's not beating Thanos. It's just truth.
Druid Natebarkslaugh

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Dude, I don't care if it's druid Nate Grey or if he was boosted by the uni-power. He's not beating Thanos. It's just truth.

Kid with stick > Classic jobacalypse

Originally posted by the Darkone
Thanos will suck Nate dry, Thanos 10/10
drooldrooldrooldrooldrool

At a (Truly) Full Potential Nate. (as in living up to the hype of equaling Dark Phoenix).

Thanos loses horribly.
De-powered Tyrant losses horribly.

Originally posted by id369
At a (Truly) Full Potential Nate. (as in living up to the hype of equaling Dark Phoenix).

Thanos loses horribly.
De-powered Tyrant losses horribly.

Nate Grey(FP) ftw