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I was just wondering what makes people believe that their God/Religion is the right one?

Is it because of percieved evidence? Family tradition? What?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I was just wondering what makes people believe that their God/Religion is the right one?

Is it because of percieved evidence? Family tradition? What?

All religions are the right one. All religions have at their core the truth, but it's like the 6 blind men and the elephant, they all draw conclusions that are inherently incorrect.

There is no right religion......Religions are the makings of men.....What is just is........God is bigger than that otherwise it wouldn't be much of a god.

Hey Kharma..what are ya doing down here...or is it up here? Ya slummin?

Egotism.... plus the fact that as the world and all that are in it are figments of my imagination, I know I must be right....

Aren't you the pagan person?....I can't remember.......

Originally posted by debbiejo
Aren't you the pagan person?....I can't remember.......

I wonder if he's gay.

All religions are the right religion, it is just a matter of choosing the religion that most speaks to you.

Originally posted by Makedde
All religions are the right religion, it is just a matter of choosing the religion that most speaks to you.

It is rear to find someone I agree with.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is rear to find someone I agree with.


My religion spoke to me because it's one that doesn't discriminate, which is the sort of religion I like.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I was just wondering what makes people believe that their God/Religion is the right one?

Is it because of percieved evidence? Family tradition? What?

Actually, it's the lack of evidence that makes me believe my religion of no religion is the right one.

Evidence doesn't matter, it's called FAITH. As long as you don't go around telling everyone that God exists, without any proof, it's alright. Just have faith, believe in whoever you want to believe in.

All religions are not the same.The teachings may be similar,but they
are not the same.The core truths that make up Islam are vastly
different from the ones that make up Buddhism and so on.
you are correct,KharmaDog in stating some of the reasons
why people believe their religions to be better than others.
The exclusive claims made by Christians regarding Jesus
are not based on what makes them feel good but rather the
logical conclusion based on historical and physical evidence
that support our beliefs.

Originally posted by kaa
All religions are not the same.The teachings may be similar,but they
are not the same.The core truths that make up Islam are vastly
different from the ones that make up Buddhism and so on.
you are correct,KharmaDog in stating some of the reasons
why people believe their religions to be better than others.
The exclusive claims made by Christians regarding Jesus
are not based on what makes them feel good but rather the
logical conclusion based on historical and physical evidence
that support our beliefs.

Do you mean evidence like the Earth is only 6,000 years old, or we all came from only two people? Or could it be the evidence that Jesus rose from the dead?

What evidence are you talking about?

Christianity is no better then any other religion. Religions are different only because cultures are different, but there is a common thread the is that is the same in all religions.

Believe it or not,there is evidence to support the argument that
the earth is between 6,000-10,000 years old.You can research
it if you like.Regarding Jesus's death and resurrection,while -
there is no actual physical evidence,there are numerous extra
biblical sources that mention it.One account that immediately
comes to mind were written by Josephus.But perhaps the
greatest proof is found in the gospels written by Jesus's
followers.Did you know that most of them were killed for
preaching the gospel? let's think about this for a moment.
How many people are willing to die for somethig they know
to be false? The apostles Peter and John( followers of jesus)
say it best in the book of Acts Ch4 verse 20.After being arr-
ested yet again for teaching about Jesus they are brought
before the jewish leaders and ordered not to speak or teach
in the name of Jesus.Peter and John said to them in reply,"It is
impossible not to speak about what we have seen and heard"
In response to the question of Adam and Eve,let me ask you
this: is it more logical to believe in a creator who created two
human beings from which all of mankind originated or the
theory that we somehow evolved for primates or
there was a big explosion that somehow formed this world
and everything in it? Trace your family history.At no point
will you ever find a primate relative in it.Mankind did not
just appear suddenly.Families and nations grew over a
period of centuries.So where there may be no actual phy-
sical evidence,the creation thoery logically explains the
origins of mankind.But please don't take my word for it.
Please investigate dilligently with all your heart.
Jesus himself said,"Those who seek me shall find me"

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I was just wondering what makes people believe that their God/Religion is the right one?

Is it because of percieved evidence? Family tradition? What?

To me I have no reason to believe in my God. However I like to live life with purpose at is the very foundation I live my life on Live life with a purpose

I have my own custom religion that I created based on my life experiences and what I believe to be most true...what awaits me after death is unknown so until then I enjoy the one opportunity I know I have, life on Earth...I also always keep in the back of my mind that there is definately something 'more' happening behind all this nonsense, I just cant seem to find what it is.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
All religions are the right one. All religions have at their core the truth, but it's like the 6 blind men and the elephant, they all draw conclusions that are inherently incorrect.
I hate that I get the reference.

Why is Christianity correct? Christianity is the only religion in which the son of God--a divine being in the flesh--came and sacrificed himself so that everyone, even the lowest, the most wretched scum of the Earth, could have eternal life. Christ died a criminal's death; he was made a fool and mocked and scorned. He suffered the agony of crucifixion. He bore our sins to the grave and took our guilt and shame--and he would gladly do it again.

the fact that my god is compassionate towards people and fairly indifferent to what people believe.

I actually started a thread asking this very question about a year ago

Though it's always something I wondered myself. Why should it matter what religion people follow?

Personally, I think my idea of no religion is the best. I can't believe things based on faith.

lol. its odd that people say that all relegions are right, seeing as just about every relegion says that all relegions other than itself are wrong.

most relegions are morally and spiritually wrong.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol. its odd that people say that all relegions are right, seeing as just about every relegion says that all relegions other than itself are wrong.

Nothing is all good or all evil.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Nothing is all good or all evil.


but when your going for BELIEF and morals, you should go for ALL good. doesnt matter if u can do it practically in real life or not, thas human nature n faults. but the BELIEF shudnt have wrong in it, specially BLATANT CLEARLY evil n wrog thing, thas why most relegions are not acceptable.

Originally posted by kaa
Oh yay, another young-earth (read: bullshit) Creationist.

JESUS LOVES ME, THAT I KNOW, CAUSE THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO

yup, thas a good enough reason for many a blind man to accept christianity. fact is every1 believes and no1 KNOWS.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Aren't you the pagan person?....I can't remember.......

yup.... that's me... the awkward believer in the possibility of the multiplicity of truth..... all gods exist... we just choose to worship the most relevant ones, rather than allow someone else to choose for us....

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I wonder if he's gay.

a lot of people ask that... yet no-one asks if I'm big, or a kirk......

Originally posted by kaa
Believe it or not,there is evidence to support the argument that
the earth is between 6,000-10,000 years old.You can research
it if you like.Regarding Jesus's death and resurrection,while -
there is no actual physical evidence,there are numerous extra
biblical sources that mention it.One account that immediately
comes to mind were written by Josephus.But perhaps the
greatest proof is found in the gospels written by Jesus's
followers.Did you know that most of them were killed for
preaching the gospel? let's think about this for a moment.
How many people are willing to die for somethig they know
to be false? The apostles Peter and John( followers of jesus)
say it best in the book of Acts Ch4 verse 20.After being arr-
ested yet again for teaching about Jesus they are brought
before the jewish leaders and ordered not to speak or teach
in the name of Jesus.Peter and John said to them in reply,"It is
impossible not to speak about what we have seen and heard"
In response to the question of Adam and Eve,let me ask you
this: is it more logical to believe in a creator who created two
human beings from which all of mankind originated or the
theory that we somehow evolved for primates or
there was a big explosion that somehow formed this world
and everything in it? Trace your family history.At no point
will you ever find a primate relative in it.Mankind did not
just appear suddenly.Families and nations grew over a
period of centuries.So where there may be no actual phy-
sical evidence,the creation thoery logically explains the
origins of mankind.But please don't take my word for it.
Please investigate dilligently with all your heart.
Jesus himself said,"Those who seek me shall find me"

I am really glad that someone spoke something somewhat logical. I really appreciate that you took time to look into Christianity before posting your reply. I, too, am a firm believer in Christ. I have looked into it, as you recommended, and there is no doubt in my mind that Christianity is the only TRUE religion. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life... no one comes to the Father except through Him. Any of you who doubt this truth, please look into it. Your eternity is laying on the line. When it comes to choosing a life with Christ, you have nothing to lose... I promise.

I don't believe that my religion is the right one in general. I do believe it is the right one for me. No religion is right or wrong, as long as someone believes in it and has faith in it, it is right.

Originally posted by big gay kirk
a lot of people ask that... yet no-one asks if I'm big, or a kirk......

Ya, that never occurred to me. Us humans, all we ever think about is sex.

duh...............who wouldnt become more religious if the existence of god would be scientifically proven.........I really dont hope they did pay this dude to come to this conclusion............is this labeled idiot report or?

LOL..

Can't be bothered to fill the screen with Blue Nocturne's stuff.... so, I recommend you read New scientist from a week or so ago... it turns out that people who are active in their faith live longer, recover from cancer more quickly and completely, and have fewer mental health problems.... but it doesn't matter which religion or faith they follow... Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Scientologists, Satanists and Goloyists all reap the same benefits... if they actively believe....

I see it as whats the point in not having a faith or a religion, because it takes hardly any effort and id rather me be religious and wrong than me be not be religious and find out i was wrong!!

Originally posted by Firewarrior
I see it as whats the point in not having a faith or a religion, because it takes hardly any effort and id rather me be religious and wrong than me be not be religious and find out i was wrong!!

"Whats the point in not having a faith or a religion" It all depends on what you define as a religion. You you are in a religion that wants to kill me, then I think that's a good reason for you to not be in that religion.

Originally posted by Firewarrior
I see it as whats the point in not having a faith or a religion, because it takes hardly any effort and id rather me be religious and wrong than me be not be religious and find out i was wrong!! So you're doing it out of fear than........See the brain washing is complete.

It's odd that the members who seem most hardcore or opinionated about their particular religion have chosen to stay away from this thread.

In fact, it was their input that I was most interested to hear.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
It's odd that the members who seem most hardcore or opinionated about their particular religion have chosen to stay away from this thread.

In fact, it was their input that I was most interested to hear.

This kind of thread is asking them to think outside the box, and they would rather just go talk about how cool Jesus is.

Or they pm you and try to convert you as they do me........

Originally posted by debbiejo
Or they pm you and try to convert you as they do me........

I've had a few of those. They just get so mad at me.

They feel sorry for me cause I'm soooooooooo lost and going to hell....

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I've had a few of those. They just get so mad at me.



I just try to sell them insurance.... usually they leave skid marks....

Originally posted by KharmaDog
It's odd that the members who seem most hardcore or opinionated about their particular religion have chosen to stay away from this thread.

In fact, it was their input that I was most interested to hear.

so I'm not opiniated and hardcore!!??!! Have you ever seen my movie!!??!!

Originally posted by big gay kirk
so I'm not opiniated and hardcore!!??!! Have you ever seen my movie!!??!!

You have a movie? I have a CD.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You have a movie? I have a CD.

m2f, or f2m???!!??

Originally posted by KharmaDog
It's odd that the members who seem most hardcore or opinionated about their particular religion have chosen to stay away from this thread.

In fact, it was their input that I was most interested to hear.
Err...

Well, I posted.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This kind of thread is asking them to think outside the box, and they would rather just go talk about how cool Jesus is.
Or would they rather talk about how cool Allah is? Or maybe Zeus or Hades or Loviatar? Or the earth gods and goddesses?

Or maybe not at all. Maybe they've just seen the character of most of KMC's members and given up.

Originally posted by FeceMan
...Or maybe not at all. Maybe they've just seen the character of most of KMC's members and given up.

I doubt that. You would have to assume some intelligence on their behalf.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I doubt that. You would have to assume some intelligence on their behalf.
That is a little much to ask of most of KMC.

*Coughs.*

I'm open minded...

Originally posted by debbiejo
I'm open minded...

Remember, never be too open minded, or your brains will fall out.

Really?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I was just wondering what makes people believe that their God/Religion is the right one?

Is it because of percieved evidence? Family tradition? What?

Because:
1. I Only want to believe in a good god.
2. My god doesn't allow the murder of people, no matter what religion.
3. I believe that if somebody who'd willingly die for everyone says they are the son of god, then they most probably are.
4. I have asked god for things and got them.
5. Many things told in the Bible have come true sooner or later.

Originally posted by Mr Brightside
Because:
1. I Only want to believe in a good god.
2. My god doesn't allow the murder of people, no matter what religion.
3. I believe that if somebody who'd willingly die for everyone says they are the son of god, then they most probably are.
4. I have asked god for things and got them.
5. Many things told in the Bible have come true sooner or later.

I would willingly die for everyone... and I am the Son of God.....

I have asked shopkeepers for things, and got them....

Many things in David langford's book "War in 2080" have come true....

You're obviously not a Christian or a Jew, because their God not only allows murder, he on occasions condones and demands it.... and He himself claims to be neither good nor evil....

Which begs the question.... what religion are you....????

Originally posted by Mr Brightside
2. My god doesn't allow the murder of people, no matter what Look at the OT. It's full of violence.
Originally posted by Mr Brightside
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4. I have asked god for things and got them.
Same with other religions also including miracles.
Originally posted by Mr Brightside
5. Many things told in the Bible have come true sooner or later. Same as in other myth stories.
Now if Jesus comes back for a millinia like Horus, Osirus, Mithra and others, who would I chose from?....They've all said it.

How do you know it isn't?

I don't believe my religion is right one -its right one for me, hence I believe in it. Everyone else needs to have their own spiritual fulfilment and if my religion does not offer such, it is very counter productive to claim otherwise.

Originally posted by big gay kirk
I would willingly die for everyone... and I am the Son of God.....

I have asked shopkeepers for things, and got them....

Many things in David langford's book "War in 2080" have come true....

You're obviously not a Christian or a Jew, because their God not only allows murder, he on occasions condones and demands it.... and He himself claims to be neither good nor evil....

Which begs the question.... what religion are you....????

1. You say you'd die for anyone, How can I trust you?
2. These are things beyond the power of shopkeepers.
3. Ight..... Yeah, he goes around telling his followers to blow up planes *sarcasm*... Murder? The bible itself says you are not allowed to kill
4. Guess...

Originally posted by Mr Brightside
1. You say you'd die for anyone, How can I trust you?
2. These are things beyond the power of shopkeepers.
3. Ight..... Yeah, he goes around telling his followers to blow up planes *sarcasm*... Murder? The bible itself says you are not allowed to kill
4. Guess...

I'm assured by my local rabbi that in the original hebrew all the Bible says is to no killing that is against God's law.... so in other words, slaughtering Midianites is fine.....

And of course you can trust me.... The Book of BGK expressly says so.... the Book of BGK is the word of the Son of God, BGK..... how can we be sure?? Because the Book of BGK says so.... same reasoning behind how we know the Bible is "true..." have Faith..... and BGK will save you.....

Remeber, all religions are true.... for a given value of true.....

I believe in God not given by religion. It is just in me. Nobody can ever know what I told you to and not to. It is all inside of me. I think what I believe in is the truth.

Originally posted by big gay kirk
And of course you can trust me.... The Book of BGK expressly says so.... the Book of BGK is the word of the Son of God, BGK..... how can we be sure?? Because the Book of BGK says so.... same reasoning behind how we know the Bible is "true..." have Faith..... and BGK will save you.....

I have a strange feeling i can't trust someone who has the word 'gay' in their name...

Actually, i knew you'd say that, and that's exactly why i asked you.
So you believe everything that scientists tell you even though you have not personaly seen the proof, just like you haven't seen a miracle created by god. Why do you believe things that scientist tell you and not the bible?

Originally posted by Darkman87
I believe in God not given by religion.. Then why do you quote the Muslim faith?
Originally posted by Mr Brightside
I have a strange feeling i can't trust someone who has the word 'gay' in their name...
Are you making a judgment?? Doesn't scripture say "Judge not for you will be judged in like manor."
Originally posted by Mr Brightside
ISo you believe everything that scientists tell you even though you have not personaly seen the proof, just like you haven't seen a miracle created by god. Why do you believe things that scientist tell you and not the bible? Science only tries to find out truth with facts and theories not blind faith like a book 2000 years old, or older. Though through the quantum science studies there is something to a living intelligence that is available to everybody, not just a certain faith.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Then why do you quote the Muslim faith?
Are you making a judgment?? Doesn't scripture say "Judge not for you will be judged in like manor."
Science only tries to find out truth with facts and theories not blind faith like a book 2000 years old, or older. Though through the quantum science studies there is something to a living intelligence that is available to everybody, not just a certain faith.

Are you making a judgment?? Doesn't scripture say "Judge not for you will be judged in like manor."
No, it was a joke. I didn't really mean it.

Science only tries to find out truth with facts and theories
Theories ARE blind faith, especially the theory of evolution when the forefoot of a fish is compared to the forefoot of a horse! (Which is highly impossible since fish don't have a double circulation system like horses do, so the fish would have had to stopped breathing for 20'000'000'000 years for it's circulation to evolve into a double one )

And btw, the bible is a history book, you might not have personally seen proof, but it happened and nothing can change that!

Originally posted by Mr Brightside
Science only tries to find out truth with facts and theories
Theories ARE blind faith, especially the theory of evolution when the forefoot of a fish is compared to the forefoot of a horse! (Which is highly impossible since fish don't have a double circulation system like horses do, so the fish would have had to stopped breathing for 20'000'000'000 years for it's circulation to evolve into a double one )

Maybe you should learn something about evolution before you go making a fool of yourself.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Maybe you should learn something about evolution before you go making a fool of yourself.

I'm sorry, but i don't understand, I read that STRAIGHT out of my science book! Maybe, if that was wrong, then the whole of evolution is wrong! *Sarcasm*
I know what you mean, and i know horses didn't evolve from fish...

Well I didn't come from a monkey...........hahahahaha.....I won't accept that..I won't, I won't, I won't!!

But, if the first life came from amino acids and the like... Then the first lifeforms must have been fish which means... That there would be NO mammals or birds today... Meaning Evolution is fake!

Originally posted by Mr Brightside
But, if the first life came from amino acids and the like... Then the first lifeforms must have been sea creatures which means... That there would be NO mammals or birds today... Meaning Evolution is fake!

Not true. There are fish today that walk on land and breath air. They do this to get from one pond to the next.

Originally posted by Mr Brightside
But, if the first life came from amino acids and the like... Then the first lifeforms must have been sea creatures which means... That there would be NO mammals or birds today... Meaning Evolution is fake! Only in the perceptions of the theories.......There can be holes in it...There can also be truths that interfered with the process also...We just don't know...........Nothing has yet been set in stone.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Not true. There are fish today that walk on land and breath air. They do this to get from one pond to the next.
So you're saying.... That even though life was born in water some of them could already breathe air?

Originally posted by Mr Brightside
So you're saying.... That even though life was born in water some of them could already breathe air?

No, what I am saying is that the process of evolution is working today as we speak. These fish are slowly becoming land animals (over millions of years).

I was not a fish!!!!!!

Ok....maybe my great great great great..infinity grandma Eve........Was a fish.........hahahahaha

Originally posted by debbiejo
I was not a fish!!!!!!

Ok....maybe my great great great great..infinity grandma Eve........Was a fish.........hahahahaha

You are a fish. Some years ago, I noticed a lump under the skin on my throat, so I went to the clinic, I had been having problems with my throat at the time (I'm a singer) and showed it to the doc. He looked at it and told me it was nothing to be concerned about. He then explained that there are folds of flesh under the skin on both sides of the throat, everybody has them. Sometimes the folds can get inflamed and caused a lump. I asked what do the folds do? He told me they have no function and are very small, but they resemble gills like a fish would have.

Nooooooooo.....Quit smokin that stuff!!


Hey! But we are made mostly of water...Hmmmm like 85 percent, I think.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Nooooooooo.....Quit smokin that stuff!!


Hey! But we are made mostly of water...Hmmmm like 85 percent, I think.

I'm telling you the truth...

Originally posted by Mr Brightside
I have a strange feeling i can't trust someone who has the word 'gay' in their name...

Actually, i knew you'd say that, and that's exactly why i asked you.
So you believe everything that scientists tell you even though you have not personaly seen the proof, just like you haven't seen a miracle created by god. Why do you believe things that scientist tell you and not the bible?

Actually, I believe that the world came from a giant that was freed from a block of ice by the licking of a cow.... and I don't believe everything the bible says for exactly the same reasons that I don't believe entirely any book of history.... because its authors were biased.... at least scientists have the honesty to accept that todays theory could be tomorrows red herring.... that's why they talk a lot about theories, and very little about laws.....

Originally posted by big gay kirk
Actually, I believe that the world came from a giant that was freed from a block of ice by the licking of a cow.... and I don't believe everything the bible says for exactly the same reasons that I don't believe entirely any book of history.... because its authors were biased.... at least scientists have the honesty to accept that todays theory could be tomorrows red herring.... that's why they talk a lot about theories, and very little about laws.....

Ya, the cow-licking thing is pretty compelling.

Originally posted by big gay kirk
Actually, I believe that the world came from a giant that was freed from a block of ice by the licking of a cow....

.......I'm sorry........I'll still respect you in the morning...........

Originally posted by debbiejo
.......I'm sorry........I'll still respect you in the morning...........

Respect is not worth that much.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, what I am saying is that the process of evolution is working today as we speak. These fish are slowly becoming land animals (over millions of years).

How? What about the fishes single circulation system? How can it change to a double system without killing off the fish at the same time? It has to be all or nothing.

When the first life was fish, how did their single circulation systems change also to create todays land animals?

FACT: There is an ancient type of fish that scientists once thought was extinct, but recently they've found it! And guess what? It hadn't changed ATALL. But the scientists quietly shrugged it off without anyone noticing.

how old was that fish? n anyway, ur gonna use one instance to deny evolution on? turtles havent changed much at ALL, like the man said STUDY evolution before u say anythin, its all PROBABILITY based, n an animal which is already well designed for survival in its enviornment doesnt have to evolve much{like the turtle n probably that fish too}

Originally posted by leonheartmm
how old was that fish? n anyway, ur gonna use one instance to deny evolution on? turtles havent changed much at ALL, like the man said STUDY evolution before u say anythin, its all PROBABILITY based, n an animal which is already well designed for survival in its enviornment doesnt have to evolve much{like the turtle n probably that fish too}
So, even though Turtles AND fish are eaten by predators every day they still haven't evolved to adapt?

I'll tell you something, the PROBABILITY that life came from nothing is lower than life coming from something. The first proof is man itself, we CREATE things everyday, so we know it's possible.

I'd like to see a cheeseburger appear infront of me right now... where is it?

The Goddess is the right God for me because she loves me, and doesn't discriminate against anyone. She loves me and guides me and yeah, she's all good.

I know it sounds slightly ironic, but if there is something behind where it came from (Not some stupid amino acid! Where'd all the food come from for them to grow any way? They must have evolved quick before they died out because of food shortage!) then it has a high possibility.

Originally posted by Mr Brightside
So, even though Turtles AND fish are eaten by predators every day they still haven't evolved to adapt?

I'll tell you something, the PROBABILITY that life came from nothing is lower than life coming from something. The first proof is man itself, we CREATE things everyday, so we know it's possible.

I'd like to see a cheeseburger appear infront of me right now... where is it?


id like to see god appear right infront of me.........where is he

turtles are HARDLY ever eaten by other predaters its only whent they are really young that they are velnuerable just like all other forms of life. and anyway, the probability that god came from nuthing is non existant, n life did not come from NUTHING, it came from complex chemical combinations of EXISTING matter, not nuthing

leonheartmm, why do you have such issues with God?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
id like to see god appear right infront of me.........where is he

turtles are HARDLY ever eaten by other predaters its only whent they are really young that they are velnuerable just like all other forms of life. and anyway, the probability that god came from nuthing is non existant, n life did not come from NUTHING, it came from complex chemical combinations of EXISTING matter, not nuthing

God clearly doesn't want to appear infront of you, i'm afraid the Cheeseburger has no choice but to not exist.

Originally posted by Mr Brightside
God clearly doesn't want to appear infront of you, Won't or can't?

Though I do believe there is some intelligence just not the god portrayed in the bible...That's an itty bitty jealous god.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Won't or can't?

Though I do believe there is some intelligence just not the god portrayed in the bible...That's an itty bitty jealous god.

Let's put it like this, there is Judaism, which the Bible talks of itself. That's proof that Jesus existed, because there are two different versions of almost the same thing where they both know he existed, this co-ordinates with exactly what the bible says about the Jews not seeing him as the son of god in the first place.

And you know, for someone so good like Jesus was, why not trust him when he says he's the son of god?

Originally posted by Spidey's Girl
leonheartmm, why do you have such issues with God?

now thas a very personal question isnt it, youd have to be a lil closer for me to spill my guts little lady

Originally posted by Mr Brightside
Let's put it like this, there is Judaism, which the Bible talks of itself. That's proof that Jesus existed, because there are two different versions of almost the same thing where they both know he existed but co-ordinate with exactly what the bible says.

And you know, for someone so good like Jesus was, why not trust him when he says he's the son of god? Jesus didn't say he was the son of god...He said "I and the father are one."......Though I think if there was a Jesus he did have some great teachings about love, but the church changed him into god and made him punish unbelievers...This is not who Jesus was.....

He wasn't even considered divine until around 325AD when it was voted in at a council.

And Judaism or the OT doesn't prove that Jesus existed.

so anyone who is good can claim to be the son/daughter of god and we should believe them because of their goodnes

proof that jesus existed aint the same as jesus to be a divine thing though

Originally posted by finti
so anyone who is good can claim to be the son/daughter of god and we should believe them because of their goodnes...

Sure it does: I'm good and I'm the son of God, now worship me... or not.

guess it would be not then

Originally posted by finti
guess it would be not then

Do I have to die on a cross for you?

dont need to die for me to try to impress me

Originally posted by finti
dont need to die for me to try to impress me

Well, that's good. I could really do without the pain.

What did you do to the Mormons? They are all pissed, or at least one is.

just had to reply just because of that

Originally posted by finti
just had to reply just because of that

I saw it...

Ah oh, I gotta go look......

peek a boo

You should visit there more often..........quite entertaining...

Originally posted by FeceMan
I hate that I get the reference.

Why is Christianity correct? Christianity is the only religion in which the son of God--a divine being in the flesh--came and sacrificed himself so that everyone, even the lowest, the most wretched scum of the Earth, could have eternal life. Christ died a criminal's death; he was made a fool and mocked and scorned. He suffered the agony of crucifixion. He bore our sins to the grave and took our guilt and shame--and he would gladly do it again.

But how do we even know that Jeses was real and not a made up story.
To believe in the new testiment we have to have faith that the folks 2000 years ago were being honest and correct. Faith with no proof of truth. I'm told by believers that the bible is the direct word of God so I have to believe, but how do I know the bible is the direct word of God.
Just curious...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
All religions are the right one. All religions have at their core the truth, but it's like the 6 blind men and the elephant, they all draw conclusions that are inherently incorrect.

If the elephant represents the core truth, and six blind men are writing their observations about the truth(elephant) but they really have no clue what it is they are feeling and writing about, how can it really be based on truth, wouldn't that be distorted truth??

Originally posted by blackhat
If the elephant represents the core truth, and six blind men are writing their observations about the truth(elephant) but they really have no clue what it is they are feeling and writing about, how can it really be based on truth, wouldn't that be distorted truth??

Yes, it is distorted truth, but truth non-less. We live in a universe that we can never understand. To find even distorted truth in this world is amazing, almost amazing enough to make you believe in God.

Originally posted by blackhat
But how do we even know that Jeses was real and not a made up story.
To believe in the new testiment we have to have faith that the folks 2000 years ago were being honest and correct. Faith with no proof of truth. I'm told by believers that the bible is the direct word of God so I have to believe, but how do I know the bible is the direct word of God.
Just curious...



I thought the bible was written not directly from Gods words but by divine inspiration or some such.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, it is distorted truth, but truth non-less. We live in a universe that we can never understand. To find even distorted truth in this world is amazing, almost amazing enough to make you believe in God.

Distorted truth is just a polite word for false information. The only reason the false information wouldn't be a lie is because it was created out of ignorance.

Originally posted by soleran30
I thought the bible was written not directly from Gods words but by divine inspiration or some such.

It is called THE WORD OF GOD. Many believe although a man wrote it with his hand, the word camd from God, that the bible is the excat word of God. Although, the koran was supposed to be written in Heaven by God Himself and delivered to Mohammot by 2 angels. Guess everyone's holy book is the direct word of God.

Originally posted by blackhat
It is called THE WORD OF GOD. Many believe although a man wrote it with his hand, the word camd from God, that the bible is the excat word of God. Although, the koran was supposed to be written in Heaven by God Himself and delivered to Mohammot by 2 angels. Guess everyone's holy book is the direct word of God.



Oh my brother I am aware of what some people call it..............I was more interested in how they came up with justifying how it came to be

Originally posted by soleran30
Oh my brother I am aware of what some people call it..............I was more interested in how they came up with justifying how it came to be


Don't know that one, perhaps some make it up as they go along, or maybe God told them.

To believe or not to believe...that is the question!

Originally posted by blackhat
Distorted truth is just a polite word for false information. The only reason the false information wouldn't be a lie is because it was created out of ignorance.

To a degree, if it helps you to survive it is good. There is scientific evidence that being spiritual makes you live longer and have a better life. That is the truth I am talking about. You are talking about all of the myths. The truth behind spirituality is more elusive.

BEHOLD! God speaks through me! " Does ANYONE have a light? " God has spoken!

Originally posted by blackhat
This response is not to defend or attack religion, just thought I'd respond. So Mr Paul did a study. You have so many "he said's" in this comment you sound like the extremest religious and their "the bible say's" everytime they talk.
I can't help but notice when I read about studies, they the person conducting the study us usually not after the truth, although they say they are, they are usually trying to prove what they already believe to be true. That is not a good study, it has to many blinders.
USA is not really that religious a country, though there are plenty of religious citizens here. Just talk to your average person, they often know very little about their own religion.
The people doing all the crime and murders and teens getting pregnant are not of the religious group, many of them don't believe in God.
Our high crime, teen pregnancies, and STD's and AIDS have nothing to do with religion. And although we may have higher numbers than many countries, many countries have higher numbers than the USA, and they are not religious. There are African and Asian countries with much much higher numbers of STD's and AIDS that are not considered religious countries at all. If someone is going to do a real study, they really should do it right. So you could say, even though there is much religion in this country, we still have many problems. But those problems are caused by other issues, not religion. Being a wealthy nation seems to contribute to many of our attitudes. Freedom has it's disadvantages as well as advantages. People do whatever they want. With easy laws and no religion, what keeps a person decent...he's on his own. When people commit crimes and murder in the name of God, it's not the worship that really causes them to be that way, it's just their mentality. I'm sure you could find many criminally minded people and if you could convince them that if they kill certain people that God will reward them, it will certainly not change them for the better. I am not defending religion, but let's be realistic here.


The united states has higher church attendance then countries in Europe, and religion has been the issue of violence and problems whenever a KKK light a cross he's asking for the light of Christ, whenever a homo sexuality is criticized the main reasons religion.

I didn't say every problem is caused by religion that's impossible I simply said religion it self doesn't make a society better it create's problems most of the time.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
The united states has higher church attendance then countries in Europe, and religion has been the issue of violence and problems whenever a KKK light a cross he's asking for the light of Christ, whenever a homo sexuality is criticized the main reasons religion, the crusades and the Spanish inquisitions are all example's.

USA has a lot more of EVERYTHING than the European countries.
Studies need to look at EVERYTHING if they are to be acurate or scientific, not just what they are trying to prove.
KKK lighting a cross has nothing to do with religion and the worship of God. They are hatefull people, they are racist, they hate. No religion made them that way. The are into white power. They are terrorest, as they terrorize black and Jewish folks. Muslem terrorest also use the name of God to kill, but they are terrorest, people who hate other people and want to kill them.

Originally posted by blackhat
USA has a lot more of EVERYTHING than the European countries.
Studies need to look at EVERYTHING if they are to be acurate or scientific, not just what they are trying to prove.
KKK lighting a cross has nothing to do with religion and the worship of God. They are hatefull people, they are racist, they hate. No religion made them that way. The are into white power. They are terrorest, as they terrorize black and Jewish folks. Muslem terrorest also use the name of God to kill, but they are terrorest, people who hate other people and want to kill them.

Right and there religious, read there books and you'll see how violent it is I have.

Please tell how the abrahamic religions have been helpful to the world?

mine was a family tradition,but i do blieve that it is rite fr me cuz it holds the concept of Oneness of Allah.if there has 2 b a God ,it has to One or None!

Originally posted by maham
mine was a family tradition,but i do blieve that it is rite fr me cuz it holds the concept of Oneness of Allah.if there has 2 b a God ,it has to One or None!

Well if it works for you then good luck, I don't hate those religions but they have waaaay to much influence.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Please tell how the abrahamic religions have been helpful to the world?

Maybe you are reading too many of those funky studies. You should stay away from those.
If you want to know about Abrahamic religions, maybe you should talk to some of those people who practice those religions.
Like I said....I AM NOT DEFENDING RELIGION.
Lets just be realistic here. No one is gay because their religion told them to be, they use religion to try to stop people from judging them.
They are reminding folks the bible say to judge not.
I am not defending gay people either.
I dont know of any religion that teaches on Sunday to go and terrize the black communities. If there are any, they certainly are perverted, not the norm. Mr. Paul is an opionated and also very poor studier. It's to bad people actually read his work as he leaves so much out of his work.

Dont ask me to defend any part of religion, my whole point is about the poorness of the MR Paul study.
It's not the religions causing so much harm in the world, it's the few perverted ones of that particular religion.
If you might know several guys that are complete idiots, does that mean all guys are idiots? Of course not, those few idiots give the rest a bad name.
If you are going to accuse anyone or anygroup of causing so much harm in the world, you should research first, and I certainly wouldn't use MR. Paul's study.

Originally posted by blackhat
Maybe you are reading too many of those funky studies. You should stay away from those.
If you want to know about Abrahamic religions, maybe you should talk to some of those people who practice those religions.
Like I said....I AM NOT DEFENDING RELIGION.
Lets just be realistic here. No one is gay because their religion told them to be, they use religion to try to stop people from judging them.
They are reminding folks the bible say to judge not.
I am not defending gay people either.
I dont know of any religion that teaches on Sunday to go and terrize the black communities. If there are any, they certainly are perverted, not the norm. Mr. Paul is an opionated and also very poor studier. It's to bad people actually read his work as he leaves so much out of his work.

Dont ask me to defend any part of religion, my whole point is about the poorness of the MR Paul study.
It's not the religions causing so much harm in the world, it's the few perverted ones of that particular religion.
If you might know several guys that are complete idiots, does that mean all guys are idiots? Of course not, those few idiots give the rest a bad name.
If you are going to accuse anyone or anygroup of causing so much harm in the world, you should research first, and I certainly wouldn't use MR. Paul's study.

Right so when the bible says to put a man to death for doing such and such it's not inciting killing people right

I used to practice one of the abrahamic religions one thing I find is that there always arguing or fighting heck more wars have been fought over religion then any other cause in the world and it usually involves them so how are they helpful, I'm NOT blaming all the people just a few and the religion it self.

Mr.Paul's study is on certain religions not all namely the abrahamic faith's, I can't vouch for him I just saying those religions and a few others have cause a lot of trouble.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Right so when the bible says to put a man to death for doing such and such it's not inciting killing people right

OK, one more time here. What part of I'M NOT DEFENDING RELIGION don't you understand. I am not concerned with what the bibal says.
Again......my only point was MR. Pauls study showing that STD's, crime, and teenage pregnancy is mady worse because of religion and nothing to back it up. We have more of EVERYTHING in the USA than many countries. A real study should try to find out the real cause.
Mr. Paul is an idiot. You on the other hand could be very bright, I don't know though because I don't know you.
Sure there are some strange quote's from the bible about killing. I dont think that is why so many teens are getting pregnant and STD's are running rampant.
I'm done here, I am not going to defend or attack religion or the bible here. I'm moving on.

To believe or not to believe.......

Originally posted by blackhat
OK, one more time here. What part of I'M NOT DEFENDING RELIGION don't you understand. I am not concerned with what the bibal says.
Again......my only point was MR. Pauls study showing that STD's, crime, and teenage pregnancy is mady worse because of religion and nothing to back it up. We have more of EVERYTHING in the USA than many countries. A real study should try to find out the real cause.
Mr. Paul is an idiot. You on the other hand could be very bright, I don't know though because I don't know you.
Sure there are some strange quote's from the bible about killing. I dont think that is why so many teens are getting pregnant and STD's are running rampant.
I'm done here, I am not going to defend or attack religion or the bible here. I'm moving on.

To believe or not to believe.......

Well that study is stupid though...