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The defenders Roster vs. The Justice Society Roster


Dr. Strange
Silver Surfer
Hulk
Namor(Wet Suit)
NIghtHawk
Valkyrie
Clea
Andromeda


vs.


Dr. Fate
Alan Scott
Black Adam
Captain Marvel
Hourman
Hawkman with the Claw
Thunder Bolt
Star Girl

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The defenders Roster vs. The Justice Society Roster


Dr. Strange
Silver Surfer
Hulk
Namor(Wet Suit)
NIghtHawk
Valkyrie
Clea
Andromeda


vs.


Dr. Fate
Alan Scott
Black Adam
Captain Marvel
Hourman
Hawkman with the Claw
Thunder Bolt
Star Girl Hulk can beat Galactus in h2h...

Hulk is potentially in ANYONE'S league!

Hell, he could beat Darkseid and Thanos combined, so I don't see how the other team stands a chance.

Originally posted by bigbran
Hulk can beat Galactus in h2h...

Hulk is potentially in ANYONE'S league!

Hell, he could beat Darkseid and Thanos combined, so I don't see how the other team stands a chance.

Let's leave the hulk fab boys alone. Hulk is still one of the tuffest non cosmic characters in comics. He can get some wins against many opponents. Especially if they make the mistake of trying to do a slug it out with him while he is very very upset. anyways. what's ur take on this fight?

Surfer could take out Hourman, Hawkman with the Claw, Thunder Bolt and Star Girl before they blink.

Namor gets murdered by Marvel.
After Surfer's done blitzing, Strange has already taken out the rest with an allmighty time stop.

Heh.

Originally posted by long pig
Surfer could take out Hourman, Hawkman with the Claw, Thunder Bolt and Star Girl before they blink.

Namor gets murdered by Marvel.
After Surfer's done blitzing, Strange has already taken out the rest with an allmighty time stop.

Heh.

You have no idea what ur talking about. You act as if strange is going to just stop time with the likes of fate thier to counter him. ANd the claw of horus would be murder to stranges magic. and surfer is not taking out thunder bolt. I specifically said thunder bolt. you know the magical genie. I'd think surfer would be too busy trying to figure out how he's going to beat a green lantern who wields like some of the most powerful magic in the DCu as well.

Not Thunder Bolt from the old JLA's offshoot comic? The genie with the kid? Sorry, I thought you meant someone else. TB isn't in JLA, is he?

He can do anything. No limits that I've seen.

As for Fate, he can't negate jack shit when he's basically dead when he's stuck in time. He wouldn't be able to negate it IF he wasn't stuck in time.

The claw means nothing when the wearer is in Dormammu's dimension or if he's turned into milk.

All Surfer has to do is blitz, keep Strange safe and wait for the JLA to stop moving. Then, he blasts them and Strange steals their souls.

Simple. 'cept for TB.

Originally posted by long pig
Not Thunder Bolt from the old JLA's offshoot comic? The genie with the kid? Sorry, I thought you meant someone else. TB isn't in JLA, is he?

He can do anything. No limits that I've seen.

As for Fate, he can't negate jack shit when he's basically dead when he's stuck in time. He wouldn't be able to negate it IF he wasn't stuck in time.

All Surfer has to do is blitz, keep Strange safe and wait for the JLA to stop moving. Then, he blasts them and Strange steals their souls.

Simple. 'cept for TB.

U r truly a nut job fan boy. Even with the JSA wielding three superior magic wielders you still think strange is just gonna throw a magical whammy and beat the entire team? WTF. Hell he'd still have to get around the magical enchantments of the Lighting brothers. This match is much harder to call than your making it.

Wow you're talking about JJ Thunder's genie unhendered?

What did the Defenders do to you, rape your mother?

You need spelling and grammar lessons. Seriously, use punctuation marks. It's like reading chicken bones.

Yes, Strange CAN pull a "magical whammy" on any of these magic users. As well as other things. I don't see any reason why he couldn't. None are above Dormm or Shuma and his magic worked on them.
He did magic whammy on the Avengers and took them all out in seconds.

Surfer can blitz everyone here, making it impossible to plan attacks. The rest are fodder to keep the real fighters (SS DS) safe and the foes distracted.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Wow you're talking about JJ Thunder's genie unhendered?

What did the Defenders do to you, rape your mother?
Yeah, I agree.

Smells like a angry fanboy's spite thread to me. He might as well have thrown in Spectre in there as well.....can't let D.C lose now can ya Nvr?

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Wow you're talking about JJ Thunder's genie unhendered?

What did the Defenders do to you, rape your mother?

NO, maybe read some jsa. The genie is powerful, but has it's limits. It will only take one course of action once on it. So if he's told to engage stranges extremely powerful girlfreind, that is all he will do. It doesn't command a great will and is uber strong but really slow on the uptake.

Originally posted by long pig
Yeah, I agree.

Smells like a angry fanboy's spite thread to me. He might as well have thrown in Spectre in there as well.....can't let D.C lose now can ya Nvr?

your an idiot. that shit is old and played. get a new line.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
your an idiot. that shit is old and played. get a new line.
Old but true, eh? I can tell that you're D.C biased by the facts you're PMSing so bad you can't stop insulting me.

It's like you can handle the fact that D.C loses so you start throwing leggos and having tantrums. It's quite embarrassing, I can hardly watch.

"D.C WINXZERS! DUPERMAN OWNZ! U BIG IODOT!"

Pathetic.

Originally posted by long pig
Old but true, eh? I can tell that you're D.C biased by the facts you're PMSing so bad you can't stop insulting me.

It's like you can handle the fact that D.C loses so you start throwing leggos and having tantrums. It's quite embarrassing, I can hardly watch.

"D.C WINXZERS! DUPERMAN OWNZ! U BIG IODOT!"

Pathetic.

NO. i'm pmsing becuz your using a lame played line. ANd you really are an idiot if you think I like superman. And your childish becuz i said so strange can do this and that is just silly. You haven't thought out logically about the other side at all. You are the fan boy. you gave an auto win to the other side with no regard to what can be done in opposition. ANd remember, I haven't given either side a clear majority. So go get a life. tard.

As i've said before, the Genie is vastly overrated on this board. Vastly.

The defenders lose, but its because of Hourman, and the two uberfast bricks that trump two uber bricks that aren't superfast.

Alan is good, but damn if he's not overrated a smidgeon.

Hulk smashes a park, woodchips fly into the air, and Clea hits him with a whammy of a spell, thus koing the old man.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO, maybe read some jsa. The genie is powerful, but has it's limits. It will only take one course of action once on it. So if he's told to engage stranges extremely powerful girlfreind, that is all he will do. It doesn't command a great will and is uber strong but really slow on the uptake.


And what if he's told kill the Defenders

The Defenders call in Storm...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. i'm pmsing becuz your using a lame played line. ANd you really are an idiot if you think I like superman. And your childish becuz i said so strange can do this and that is just silly. You haven't thought out logically about the other side at all. You are the fan boy. you gave an auto win to the other side with no regard to what can be done in opposition. ANd remember, I haven't given either side a clear majority. So go get a life. tard.
Just....wow. Look at how riled up this guy is. He really is on his period.

Ever think about being intelligent? Maybe you just wake up one morning, throw your piss soaked Batman pajamas in the washing machine and you think "Hmm...this being an imbecile isn't working out, maybe I should try and be smart....maybe even read a book!?"

I mean, my god man. You spell like a 9 year old girl.

Remember, when you're on the rag like you are now, be careful because you'll attract bears.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
And what if he's told kill the Defenders

He won't be able to kill them all. I've never seen him do anything like that. I've only seen him go after singularly powerful foes like mordru and surtur and the nebula man. The defenders have two powerful mages and a Goddess. I don't think he would be able to pull that off without a hitch.

Originally posted by long pig
Just....wow. Look at how riled up this guy is. He really is on his period.

Ever think about being intelligent? Maybe you just wake up one morning, throw your piss soaked Batman pajamas in the washing machine and you think "Hmm...this being an imbecile isn't working out, maybe I should try and be smart....maybe even read a book!?"

I mean, my god man. You spell like a 9 year old girl.

Remember, when you're on the rag like you are now, be careful because you'll attract bears.

Hah, you think I care about spelling. Your the lil kid who keeps saying shit like nuh uh, strange just stops time and beats them all up. Your telling me about debating skills and you debate like a tard. Anyone with half a brain knows that this match isn't easy to call and it certainly won't fall just on Stranges shoulders.

"Nuh Uh?

Please. You're talking out of your ass with simple minded insults because you know you're not as smart or as good of a debater as me. You even tried to leave ...knowing you're getting made fun of because of you're palsy typing.

JL A Am NoT LOOSE 2 DFENDeRS!

Originally posted by long pig
"Nuh Uh?

Please. You're talking out of your ass with simple minded insults because you know you're not as smart or as good of a debater as me. You even tried to leave ...knowing you're getting made fun of because of you're palsy typing.

JL A Am NoT LOOSE 2 DFENDeRS!

And I came back you tard. And low and behold, shit I been saying for ever is turning up as me being correct all that time. Your short on the uptake and haven't been paying attention. Ur lame strategy of the defenders win with a time stop was utterly lame and complete bullshit. You didn't give any thought to the match and you just shitted at the keyboard what ever came out. The battle is too close to call that easily and anyone with half a brain can see that. And I dont' remember being made fun of in oh a few weeks, will wonders never cease when people realize you do know what the **** your talking about.

surfer and strange can get out their aggressions

blackbolt "says" stop!!!

Why is a time stop an option? as Hourman, Dr.Fate, Thunder Bolt and I think even Alan Scott can do it as well.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Why is a time stop an option? as Hourman, Dr.Fate, Thunder Bolt and I think even Alan Scott can do it as well.

That is what I've been saying all along. He just said some dumb shit and his word was the final law.

Hourman probably wouldn't even feel it if it's Rick.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is what I've been saying all along. He just said some dumb shit and his word was the final law.

long pig knows his shit, I got mad props for him. However, I just don't see how time stop would be an asset in this battle as a few people can do the exact same thing.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
long pig knows his shit, I got mad props for him. However, I just don't see how time stop would be an asset in this battle as a few people can do the exact same thing.
He may know his shit when it comes to the marvel guys, but he didn't for one minute think about who was on the other team. He acted as if they would just be standing there waiting for a time stop and a raping by surfer.

He knows his DC stuff as well, I didn't read the arguements you two were having as it just seemed like it was more of a spat than a debate.

Well technically this match is against the rules, as there are to many combatents. The rules state max is 3 vs. 3. So meh!

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He knows his DC stuff as well, I didn't read the arguements you two were having as it just seemed like it was more of a spat than a debate.

Well technically this match is against the rules, as there are to many combatents. The rules state max is 3 vs. 3. So meh!

Those rules dont' apply when teams are applied.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Those rules dont' apply when teams are applied.

Technically they do as it's almost impossible to predict how the teams would do in a group fight. Would they single off? go 2 on 1? would they pick the character that bests suits them? How would they know that? There are just to many variables with too many people.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Technically they do as it's almost impossible to predict how the teams would do in a group fight. Would they single off? go 2 on 1? would they pick the character that bests suits them? How would they know that? There are just to many variables with too many people.

Well the rules said that you can use more than 3 when doing teams. I do remember reading that. Plus I made the fight even and picked an even number of combatants. Now how people choose to argue how it would go down is up for the fun. I personally tried to make the lvls of the combatants as close as I could. even picking magical beings to counter magical beings. I gave this fight 5/5 becuz surfer is the lose cannon here while strange and his girlfreind combined would be able to over whelm fate. But the bricks on DC's side and the imp even things up.

A being that's comparable to Galactus evens things up?

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
A being that's comparable to Galactus evens things up?

who is comparible to galactus?

The 5th dimensional imp.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
The 5th dimensional imp.

LOL. The true imps are so far beyond galactus it isn't funny. The thunder bolt genie is hard to explain. he certainly isn't going to beat galactus. Not a well fed non jobbing big g.

bumprav

Originally posted by -K-M-
Why is a time stop an option? as Hourman, Dr.Fate, Thunder Bolt and I think even Alan Scott can do it as well.



Wait, your saying this is hourman one million (Matthew) ??

That sort of makes it unfair. Classic fate is in every way an equal to classic Strange and always was. he's defeated the likes of Totec, Ynar, and vandeamon who are even matches for Shuma etc. Neither of these two is really ever defeating the other. it's a stalemate.

Alan Scot is also evenly matched with Silver Surfer ( unless he's blood lusted and consumed by the starheart in which case he's closer to Galactus himself). this can go either way. The only advantage SS has is maybe speed and since Alan can time manipulate to the point where he has made a planet go through millions of years in seconds because it's existence threatened Earth and that way he could allow the beings living on it to live out their lives before destroying it the advantage means jack. This one can go either way

BA is one of the DC characters who can certainly take the battle to Hulk and has a good chance of wining.

Cap Marvel may not be much stronger than Namor but his speed, stamina and durability Advantage is probably too much for him.

Because the next choice was Nighthawk I thought the Hourman in this thing was either Rex or Rick ( not Matthew). Their physical enhancements under miraclo would be roughly equal to those of Kyle in darkness. That at least would have made it fairish so far.

Hawkman with the claw of Horus is probably too much for Valkyrie with it's anti magic properties and the fact that hitting someone with it is like striking them with the weight of a planet.

Clea and Thunderbolt could be interesting though TB doesn't have as many limitations as it seems people believe. In classic JSA ( as in early All Star issues) his power easily commanded even the Spectre to do his will.

I would say Andromeda is going down to Star girl. If it was just Courtney as Star Spangled kid (a s in with the cosmic Converter belt and not the star rod) then it would be much fairer. With the converter belt she is only slightly physically above Andromeda with force fields, flight and energy blasts. Adding a weapon that allows her complete control over the electromagnetic spectrum of energy and gravity is just a bit too much.

I'm a fan of both teams. I have almost every JSA ( I think I'm missing like 40)appearance and the entire first version of Defenders plus a lot since. Make Hourman either Rex or Rick and this is a good battle that can really go either way. Having it as Matthew who has complete control over time and can devolve anyone to the point in time ( be it future or past) at which they are their weakest and it's just unfair.

Originally posted by beatboks
Wait, your saying this is hourman one million (Matthew) ??

That sort of makes it unfair. Classic fate is in every way an equal to classic Strange and always was. he's defeated the likes of Totec, Ynar, and vandeamon who are even matches for Shuma etc. Neither of these two is really ever defeating the other. it's a stalemate.

Alan Scot is also evenly matched with Silver Surfer ( unless he's blood lusted and consumed by the starheart in which case he's closer to Galactus himself). this can go either way. The only advantage SS has is maybe speed and since Alan can time manipulate to the point where he has made a planet go through millions of years in seconds because it's existence threatened Earth and that way he could allow the beings living on it to live out their lives before destroying it the advantage means jack. This one can go either way

BA is one of the DC characters who can certainly take the battle to Hulk and has a good chance of wining.

Cap Marvel may not be much stronger than Namor but his speed, stamina and durability Advantage is probably too much for him.

Because the next choice was Nighthawk I thought the Hourman in this thing was either Rex or Rick ( not Matthew). Their physical enhancements under miraclo would be roughly equal to those of Kyle in darkness. That at least would have made it fairish so far.

Hawkman with the claw of Horus is probably too much for Valkyrie with it's anti magic properties and the fact that hitting someone with it is like striking them with the weight of a planet.

Clea and Thunderbolt could be interesting though TB doesn't have as many limitations as it seems people believe. In classic JSA ( as in early All Star issues) his power easily commanded even the Spectre to do his will.

I would say Andromeda is going down to Star girl. If it was just Courtney as Star Spangled kid (a s in with the cosmic Converter belt and not the star rod) then it would be much fairer. With the converter belt she is only slightly physically above Andromeda with force fields, flight and energy blasts. Adding a weapon that allows her complete control over the electromagnetic spectrum of energy and gravity is just a bit too much.

I'm a fan of both teams. I have almost every JSA ( I think I'm missing like 40)appearance and the entire first version of Defenders plus a lot since. Make Hourman either Rex or Rick and this is a good battle that can really go either way. Having it as Matthew who has complete control over time and can devolve anyone to the point in time ( be it future or past) at which they are their weakest and it's just unfair.

Nice breakdown. Hourman gives the JSA the win.

Dr. Fate, Cap Marvel AND Black Adam???

The Defenders are screwed.

JSA for a very clear win.