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Who wins?

yodawg

cannonball

Originally posted by DarkestKnight08
Who wins?


Do you hate Sam Guthrie? Hal would have him powerless in 3.5 seconds. You should have replaced Hal with Speedball.

Sam punches him into a construction site, then flies for his life.

Hal ftw, Sam isn't worthy enough to win

Hal. Sam would give him a bit of a run at first, but i don't see Hal losing once he realises how powerful Sam is.

hal wins

Hal

It depends mostly on whether Hal has his ring. If he does, he stomps.

so this is still open huh?

If sam use his powers right, he could win in a sh** stomp buuuuuut cis is on so I'm giving to hal 8/10. CISless sam would destroy hal IMO

Sam is an External and immortal, he wins

Hal
Originally posted by carver9
If sam use his powers right, he could win in a sh** stomp buuuuuut cis is on so I'm giving to hal 8/10. CISless sam would destroy hal IMO
facepalm

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hal

facepalm what did he say that was wrong?

Originally posted by Starscream M
what did he say that was wrong?
That Cannonball would "shit-stomp" Hal if CIS was off.

The fact that you need clarification is also hilarious.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That Cannonball would "shit-stomp" Hal if CIS was off.

The fact that you need clarification is also hilarious. well, if CIS mode was off....Cannonball is basically a flying juggernaut...you do realize that right?

And everyone and their mothers can stop his propulsion. He does not have infinite momentum like juggernaut, only invulnerabilty.

Originally posted by carver9
If sam use his powers right, he could win in a sh** stomp buuuuuut cis is on so I'm giving to hal 8/10. CISless sam would destroy hal IMO

Originally posted by Omega Vision
facepalm

Originally posted by Starscream M
what did he say that was wrong?

Haha. Sorry man couldn't help it.

I guess I need tto educate you all. While flying sam is completely invulnerable... nothing short of magic is stopping him. We have gladiator, a true planet buster slapping sam around and sam didn't even suffer a scratch, hell he didn't even feel it. The only time he really felt one of glads hits he actually joked about it, saying that he felt that blow in his teeth. This is the same glads that koed thor with a few blows and would basically rock any high herald if it came down to it but yet again, sam didn't even feel the punches. Then glads gets angry and decides that the fight is done since sam kept joking around and hits him with a punch that was going to send him to the core of the sun.. he tanks it without a scratch.

THEN, let's not even forget the fact that sam can absorb ALL forms of kinetic energy (which was displayed when he fought glads and also displayed when he fought a carbon copy of the fury). he can basically absorb any d*** thing hal sends his way and direct it back at hal in either an explosion "or" with a punch.

There really isn't a way that hal can penetrate that shield or let alone drop sam unless again cis takes it toll and sam drops his shield. I could eventually see sam gaining enough kinetic energy to overwhelm hal just like sam did to the fury.

Cis off... sam stomps.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess I need tto educate you all. While flying sam is completely invulnerable... nothing short of magic is stopping him. We have gladiator, a true planet buster slapping sam around and sam didn't even suffer a scratch, hell he didn't even feel it. The only time he really felt one of glads hits he actually joked about it, saying that he felt that blow in his teeth. This is the same glads that koed thor with a few blows and would basically rock any high herald if it came down to it but yet again, sam didn't even feel the punches. Then glads gets angry and decides that the fight is done since sam kept joking around and hits him with a punch that was going to send him to the core of the sun.. he tanks it without a scratch.

THEN, let's not even forget the fact that sam can absorb ALL forms of kinetic energy (which was displayed when he fought glads and also displayed when he fought a carbon copy of the fury). he can basically absorb any d*** thing hal sends his way and direct it back at hal in either an explosion "or" with a punch.

There really isn't a way that hal can penetrate that shield or let alone drop sam unless again cis takes it toll and sam drops his shield. I could eventually see sam gaining enough kinetic energy to overwhelm hal just like sam did to the fury.

Cis off... sam stomps. Cameron hodge has stopped him, and so have several others. He doesn't have infinite momentum, he only has invulnerabilty while propelling himself - he needs to stay moving for the force-field to manifest itself. Gladiator could have ended that fight by grabing him and forcing him to a halt. GLs, who do not fire kinetic energy out of the ring by the way, would only need to chain him up or press him to the ground with a construct. Once he ceases using his power continually for an instant it's over, the force-field comes down. In a forum battle GLs and Gladiator would eventually figure out the way to stop him thrgouh trial and error if nothing else.

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, if CIS mode was off....Cannonball is basically a flying juggernaut...you do realize that right?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hal

facepalm

Originally posted by 753
Cameron hodge has stopped him, and so have several others. He doesn't have infinite momentum, he only has invulnerabilty while propelling himself - he needs to stay moving for the force-field to manifest itself. Gladiator could have ended that fight by grabing him and forcing him to a halt. GLs, who do not fire kinetic energy out of the ring by the way, would only need to chain him up or press him to the ground with a construct. Once he ceases using his power continually for an instant it's over, the force-field comes down. In a forum battle GLs and Gladiator would eventually figure out the way to stop him thrgouh trial and error if nothing else.

I never said that he have infinite momentum and I do not know where you get the idea that he need to continuously move around in order for his force field to work... that was demonstrated when glads grabbed him. Even if they tried to force him down... that would basically "amp" him because its a form of kinetic energy. Hell, during the time he was stomping fury he was still amping due to "again" kinetic energy and fury wasn't even hitting him, he amped off of his own energy.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess I need tto educate you all.

facepalm

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that he have infinite momentum and I do not know where you get the idea that he need to continuously move around in order for his force field to work... that was demonstrated when glads grabbed him. Even if they tried to force him down... that would basically "amp" him because its a form of kinetic energy. Hell, during the time he was stomping fury he was still amping due to "again" kinetic energy and fury wasn't even hitting him, he amped off of his own energy. Scans?

Originally posted by iceman24567
facepalm

Oh yes, because the might lord carv9 knows all.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Scans? Probably carver twisting and warping feats in his mind again

Yup.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Scans?
Good luck with that. I'm still waiting on him to provide 2 or more instances of Hawkman stalemating Black Adam.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Good luck with that. I'm still waiting on him to provide 2 or more instances of Hawkman stalemating Black Adam.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Good luck with that. I'm still waiting on him to provide 2 or more instances of Hawkman stalemating Black Adam.

How dare you question Carv9's vast knowledge of DC.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that he have infinite momentum and I do not know where you get the idea that he need to continuously move around in order for his force field to work... that was demonstrated when glads grabbed him. Even if they tried to force him down... that would basically "amp" him because its a form of kinetic energy. Hell, during the time he was stomping fury he was still amping due to "again" kinetic energy and fury wasn't even hitting him, he amped off of his own energy. I get this idea from his every appearance ever, starting with new mutants. He does not absorb kinetic energy the way you're claiming, where was this stated?

Hal, I'll pm pr so he can close this thread.

Hal.

Hal

carver, your bias is showing.

and even if it wasn't, hal has ways to win that sam count counter. devolving, telepathy etc...

hal is way out of sam's league, and this thread is borderline spite.

also, lol @ "educating" me about x-men.

Originally posted by carver9
This is the same glads that koed thor with a few blows





Carv can even create feats out of thin air!

Originally posted by 753
I get this idea from his every appearance ever, starting with new mutants. He does not absorb kinetic energy the way you're claiming, where was this stated?

When he absorbed a punch from gladiator that stated himself that it was his most powerful attack. Gladiator also stated that the punch was so strong that it was going to send cannonball to the center of the sun...

Cannonball absorbed all of it and didn't even feel it.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Good luck with that. I'm still waiting on him to provide 2 or more instances of Hawkman stalemating Black Adam.

How about you stop bating people like you always tend to do.

Originally posted by carver9
How about you stop bating people like you always tend to do.
And dodge-O was his name-O.

I'm still waiting. You were pretty damn confident when you made the claim. I just think you should have the sand to either back up your claims or admit you were wrong.

Originally posted by carver9
When he absorbed a punch from gladiator that stated himself that it was his most powerful attack. Gladiator also stated that the punch was so strong that it was going to send cannonball to the center of the sun...

Cannonball absorbed all of it and didn't even feel it. Where does it say he absorbed it, instead of just tanking it?

Originally posted by 753
Where does it say he absorbed it, instead of just tanking it?

It stated it before cannonball punched gladiator 5 miles away from him. Do you honestly believe cannonball have the strength to send gladiator flying like he did with a single punch? Especially if people like Nova being unable to budge him with his brute strength.

Originally posted by 753
Where does it say he absorbed it, instead of just tanking it?

It kind of looked like Sam dissipated the kinetic force of the punch, it could have been absorbed as well. Who can really tell?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
And dodge-O was his name-O.

I'm still waiting. You were pretty damn confident when you made the claim. I just think you should have the sand to either back up your claims or admit you were wrong.

I was wrong. The fight that I'm talking about, it didn't end in a stalemate, adam ended up beating him, tossing hawkman out of a window but hawkman did well in that fight... so I admit, you were right.

Originally posted by carver9
I was wrong. The fight that I'm talking about, it didn't end in a stalemate, adam ended up beating him, tossing hawkman out of a window but hawkman did well in that fight... so I admit, you were right.
Awesome. Sorry for hounding you then.

Originally posted by Stoic
It kind of looked like Sam dissipated the kinetic force of the punch, it could have been absorbed as well. Who can really tell?

I will post the scan when I get home but it was stated in that same issue that sam absorbed gladiators punch.

Originally posted by Stoic
It kind of looked like Sam dissipated the kinetic force of the punch, it could have been absorbed as well. Who can really tell? Yeah IIRC he uses the propulsion force outwards in all directions to counter it or something like that. it's been years sicne I read it.

hal doesn't need to use physical force to beat sam.

Originally posted by 753
Yeah IIRC he uses the propulsion force outwards in all directions to counter it or something like that. it's been years sicne I read it.

This didn't happen and again, I will show you when I get to the house. Sam explained what he did...

The guy can absorb kinetic energy.

Originally posted by -Pr-
hal doesn't need to use physical force to beat sam.

If cis is on, hal "will" toss things at sam which would amp him... after that the fight is done. The tactics that you are talking about, hal rarely if ever use.

Originally posted by carver9
If cis is on, hal "will" toss things at sam which would amp him... after that the fight is done. The tactics that you are talking about, hal rarely if ever use.

lol no. hal rarely tosses things at people as much as he uses his own constructs. and besides:

cis on doesn't make hal an idiot. even IF (and it is a BIG if) hal's normal constructs won't work, he knows well enough to try alternate methods.

heck, all he'd really need to do is encase sam in a bubble and watch him bounce around like a pinball until he wore himself out.

you lowballing/neutering hal just to give sam a (SLIM) chance isn't exactly a good thing.

Originally posted by carver9
This didn't happen and again, I will show you when I get to the house. Sam explained what he did...

The guy can absorb kinetic energy.

Pretty sure it's going to be retconned. Where does the kinetic energy go once he absorbs it? I mean that was a hell of a punch.




Originally posted by -Pr-
hal doesn't need to use physical force to beat sam.

Exactly.... Hal wins this pretty easily. All he would need to do is stop Sam from blasting.

Wasn't Sam stopped while @ full blast by Magneto using magnetism.. Hal could just replicate that feat till Sam runs out of stamina but really dough there are too many option for Hal to beat Sam.. This pretty much is a stomp..

Yes, cameron hodge wrapped him up in wires to immobilize him and fried his ass when the force-field came down.

Originally posted by carver9
This didn't happen and again, I will show you when I get to the house. Sam explained what he did...

The guy can absorb kinetic energy. by all means do so.

Originally posted by Stoic
Pretty sure it's going to be retconned. Where does the kinetic energy go once he absorbs it? I mean that was a hell of a punch.






Exactly.... Hal wins this pretty easily. All he would need to do is stop Sam from blasting. Sam will blast all over Hal and you know it.

Originally posted by Mindset
Sam will blast all over Hal and you know it.

The ring would protect Hal, whereas Sam is nearly useless when pinned.

Originally posted by Mindset
Sam will blast all over Hal and you know it. Originally posted by Stoic
Sam is nearly useless when pinned.
Double pause.

Originally posted by 753
Yeah IIRC he uses the propulsion force outwards in all directions to counter it or something like that. it's been years sicne I read it.

Im always right...

Here ya go.

http://img116.imageshack.us/f/99564040gc5.jpg/
http://img527.imageshack.us/f/61470458wh9.jpg/

And again, this was a punch from GLADIATOR that was going to send him flying into the heart of the sun (a powerful a** punch). Basically, Green Lantern best bet is to not do anything physical to Sam or he is losing this fight. After this, he master that ability and used it against the fury which led to him STOMPING the fury which was stated as being a carbon copy of the original. None of the other xmens stood a chance except Sam and the team even had Rachel on it... someone who has possession of the phoenix force.

I agree, if lantern use the other routs that PR said, yes, he would win but if he resorts to constructs, he is losing the majority.

Originally posted by carver9
Im always right...

Here ya go.

http://img116.imageshack.us/f/99564040gc5.jpg/
http://img527.imageshack.us/f/61470458wh9.jpg/

And again, this was a punch from GLADIATOR that was going to send him flying into the heart of the sun (a powerful a** punch). Basically, Green Lantern best bet is to not do anything physical to Sam or he is losing this fight. After this, he master that ability and used it against the fury which led to him STOMPING the fury which was stated as being a carbon copy of the original. None of the other xmens stood a chance except Sam and the team even had Rachel on it... someone who has possession of the phoenix force.

I agree, if lantern use the other routs that PR said, yes, he would win but if he resorts to constructs, he is losing the majority.

nothing you just posted strengthens sam's chances of beating a construct using hal. as i said, a mere bubble would be enough.

Originally posted by -Pr-
nothing you just posted strengthens sam's chances of beating a construct using hal. as i said, a mere bubble would be enough.

I was just proving my point that Sam can absorb kinetic energy and Sam isnt just a guy with a shield... he also have out put of power as well and he can also trap Hal in a force field or basically expand his shield enough to break through the bubble that is trapping him. I honestly think Sam indestructible shield would overcome Hal construct but thats debatable.