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Who's the weakest person that can survive being hit by Jiren attack? Pure durability, no gimmicks.

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As always - please tell me what you think is happening there. It really does help with discussion when we are both working from the same base.

The most powerful attack in DBS. God's were afraid of the power killing them and these are universal plus level beings. Start there.

That's what I mean. Are we just meant to name the weakest beings who can make gods and universal beings scared?

That attack was, in all likelihood, a solid universe-buster.

To be that guy (because someone has to be):

Based on? In DBZ collateral damage is meant to be king, right? So would I be correct in basing the destructive output on collateral damage in that scene?

Or is it a 'well, Jiren is level 9000000, and he later says (not in this scene) that it's his most powerful attack, ergo etc etc'?

Logical power-scaling.

During BoG, a massively suppressed Beerus and a n00b-SSG Goku could have destroyed the universe as a side effect of their punches/kicks colliding. Additionally, the "super-dense energy ball" created as a result of their ki attacks colliding could have destroyed the universe as well(had Beerus not negated it.)

Fast-forward to early in the ToP, and Jiren(who hadn't even began powering-up yet) was casually blocking strikes from SSG Goku(who had become vastly more powerful than he was during BoG) with a single finger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG_Nkveg9xw&t=0m55s

Fast-forward to later in the ToP(where carver's clip is from), and a powered-up Jiren charges an 'all-out' ki attack and launches it at Omen Goku.

tl;dr
Both physical and energy attacks already had universe-busting potential as far back as BoG... And Jiren is many, many orders of magnitude beyond that.


...And no, collateral damage doesn't mean much in DB. Otherwise Roshi, with a PL of 139, would still be a top contender, due to his moon-busting feat.

Then I don't quite see how to compare it then, as DB has consistent and logical power scaling, whilst Cap can output more power than heralds.

Beerus was the universe buster, doesn't really prove Goku on his own is. Especially since he still isn't even close to Beerus level after all his upgrades.



Arale knocked him around easily enough, is she a universe buster too?

Originally posted by cdtm
Beerus was the universe buster, doesn't really prove Goku on his own is. Especially since he still isn't even close to Beerus level after all his upgrades.



Arale knocked him around easily enough, is she a universe buster too?

Beerus Universal attack, Goku canceled that shit out. A suppressed Beerus is universal, a full powered, we don't know where he is at power wise but FAR above that. Jiren attack is by far the most powerful attack in the entire series minus him powering up beyond that level. Let's just say, Hulk and Superman ain't tanking this attack AND Beerus. So who's enduring it?

Originally posted by Galan007
Logical power-scaling.

During BoG, a massively suppressed Beerus and a n00b-SSG Goku could have destroyed the universe as a side effect of their punches/kicks colliding. Additionally, the "super-dense energy ball" created as a result of their ki attacks colliding could have destroyed the universe as well(had Beerus not negated it.)

Fast-forward to early in the ToP, and Jiren(who hadn't even began powering-up yet) was casually blocking strikes from SSG Goku(who had become vastly more powerful than he was during BoG) with a single finger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG_Nkveg9xw&t=0m55s

Fast-forward to later in the ToP(where carver's clip is from), and a powered-up Jiren charges an 'all-out' ki attack and launches it at Omen Goku.

tl;dr
Both physical and energy attacks already had universe-busting potential as far back as BoG... And Jiren is many, many orders of magnitude beyond that.


...And no, collateral damage doesn't mean much in DB. Otherwise Roshi, with a PL of 139, would still be a top contender, due to his moon-busting feat.

Well Nebula Man is a universe - and Superman took his attacks just fine:

https://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/consciousuniverse.jpg

Or maybe AntiMonitor/Flash? Punches that were sending him across universes here:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11140/111403694/8751686-6246070689-Dark%25.jpg

Flash is mentioned because his fists are obviously not disintegrating.

And these happen on panel. Not mere lip service, Flash actually sends him between different universes.

Hard to gauge. Just because someone is the physical embodiment of a universe, doesn't mean that every single attack they generate contains universe-busting potential... I'd also add that 'just' calling Jiren's attack a universe-buster is likely an extreme low-ball. There are so many orders of magnitude between BoG-level power(which was already universe-busting) and Jiren-level power, that it's hard to even wrap my head around. /shrug

Also, this seems to be a durability-themed thread(ie. who could survive said attack.)

Originally posted by carver9
Jiren attack is by far the most powerful attack in the entire series minus him powering up beyond that level. Yeah, the Kamehameha that MUI Goku used to drop 'Limit Breaker' Jiren was logically more powerful by a huge margin.

I also assume that you're only referring to the DBS anime, because Jiren-level power is pretty much irrelevant by current manga scaling.

Yeah, it's difficult to say because the two mediums are so different, with different tropes.

I mean, how would we quantify an IMP, for example. That's literally infinite, so would mean it's universe++ - but comics don't work like that.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hard to gauge. Just because someone is the physical embodiment of a universe, doesn't mean that every single attack they generate contains universe-busting potential... I'd also add that 'just' calling Jiren's attack a universe-buster is likely an extreme low-ball. There are so many orders of magnitude between BoG-level power(which was already universe-busting) and Jiren-level power, that it's hard to even wrap my head around. /shrug

Also, this seems to be a durability-themed thread(ie. who could survive said attack.)


Superman has many, many examples against that though, as you know better then most. Galaxy, universe, Multiverse, he's seen it all at some point.



Just off the top of my head, in Death of the New Gods when the source wall broke, Superman's barrier was retracted/shattered, and he stood out there riding the loose energy as Scott and Metron enjoyed protection.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6a0312f4899be239df942dc49596719f-lq


Kind of a low quality scan but you can just about make out Metrons words.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, it's difficult to say because the two mediums are so different, with different tropes.

I mean, how would we quantify an IMP, for example. That's literally infinite, so would mean it's universe++ - but comics don't work like that. Right.

I think it just comes down to who you think can survive something like that. As mentioned, Jiren's attack was logically universe(+)-busting... So I'd imagine that we'd have to delve into abstract-esque tiers of power to find someone who could soak it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Right.

I think it just comes down to who you think can survive something like that. As mentioned, Jiren's attack was logically universe(+)-busting... So I'd imagine that we'd have to delve into abstract-esque tiers of power to find someone who could soak it.

Yeah, and I think we are both in agreement when I say comics just isn't set up like that, with the PIS (a forum/battle board construct) that exists.

For example, Cho-Hulk was punching the Moon with hits that registered 123 on the Richter scale. That's enough to destroy the universe or something like that (Magnon/Astner/h1 can check). Of course, we chalk that up to PIS - even though it happened in a canon comic.

Cyborg has hit Johnny Quick with a million decibels, lol. That's.... universe+ energy attacks. Again, canon comic.

Supergirl got hit with a BILLION decibels from magical Silver Banshee. That's.... hyperbole?

But if we want to compare these two universes on a similar base, either we take all examples at face value equally, or we subject all examples to scrutiny.

I don't disagree, because yeah, it's hard to quantify cross-genre stuff like this.

As mentioned, Jiren's ki blast was logically universal at the very least... But like you said, plenty of comic characters have one-off showings to suggest they might be able to soak something like that(with the PIS-force in effect, of course.) So I dunno. /shrug

Jiren attack isn't a one off though or hyperbole or PIS, he's naturally that powerful whereas the instances dark named is a one off and doesn't normally apply to that characters abilities. We wouldn't call those average showings for those characters. If we made a Cho or Supergirl vs Galactus thread, mentioning any of these fts would be laughable because at the end of the day, neither are powerful enough to defeat Galactus. If we made a Jiren vs Galactus thread, it'll be spite with Jiren caving Galactus head in because he's just that powerful. So one offs are just that, one offs whereas pure power and being able to repeat that power is what Jiren is. Then, he wasn't even using a percentage of his power there.

Originally posted by carver9
Jiren attack isn't a one off though or hyperbole or PIS, he's naturally that powerful whereas the instances dark named is a one off and doesn't normally apply to that characters abilities. We wouldn't call those average showings for those characters. If we made a Cho or Supergirl vs Galactus thread, mentioning any of these fts would be laughable because at the end of the day, neither are powerful enough to defeat Galactus. If we made a Jiren vs Galactus thread, it'll be spite with Jiren caving Galactus head in because he's just that powerful. So one offs are just that, one offs whereas pure power and being able to repeat that power is what Jiren is. Then, he wasn't even using a percentage of his power there.

But why are you suddenly limiting it to 'showings that don't normally apply to that characters' abilities'?

You wanted showings, I named three off the top of my head that all occurred in a canon comic, no context needed.

http://www.politedissent.com/images/dec10/ntt40.jpg

He does it consistently:
https://i.imgur.com/CxUGBON.jpg

He even says: ahhh the good old million decibels - gets them every time

It's no one-off.

That's just an example. So for this thread? Owlman is the weakest person who can take that attack.

A million decibels is enough to destroy the universe (someone check my maths). Possibly several times over. Owlman took that, in a canon comic.

You want to argue that Cyborg is using hyperbole? PIS? Then we get into a circular argument.

Here is Cho doing 123.2 on the Richter scale...and climbing. That's universal++ energy right there, and it's not hyperbole, someone is actually measuring it:

https://i.imgur.com/mdWCwuX.jpg

clearly the writers just don't understand that seismic and decibel units are logarithmic rather than linear. because 123 on the richter scale or 1 million decibels should have decimated the observable universe. but owlman and the moon were just fine after those attacks.

so what makes more sense? that owlman and the marvel moon have universal durability, or that the writers just have no clue what they're talking about in those instances?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
clearly the writers just don't understand that seismic and decibel units are logarithmic rather than linear. because 123 on the richter scale or 1 million decibels should have decimated the observable universe. but owlman and the moon were just fine after those attacks.

so what makes more sense? that owlman and the marvel moon have universal durability, or that the writers just have no clue what they're talking about in those instances?

But then now you're arguing that DB writers know what universal plus energy attacks will do.

My point is we apply scrutiny equally to both. Accept Jiren outputs universal plus attacks on face value? Ok.

Accept that DBZ writers sat down with physics and biology textbooks and calculated everything nice and neatly with proper scientific method? Ok.

Then we do the same, especially if we are doing a cross genre comparison.

that's not the point. jiren's attack should have been universal any way you slice it, because he scales way above characters who were already universal.

but do you truly believe that it requires universal++ power to defeat owlman or destroy marvel's moon? if so, we should start making IG vs marvel moon threads.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
that's not the point. jiren's attack should have been universal any way you slice it, because he scales way above characters who were already universal.

but do you truly believe that it requires universal++ power to defeat owlman or destroy marvel's moon? if so, we should start making IG vs marvel moon threads.

But that's the point. You are saying Jiren is universal, despite collateral damage or any other signifier saying otherwise. It's physically impossible to output 'universal damage', if you're trying to apply science and logic to it.

But we handwave it away - suspension of belief. Jiren is that powerful.

So why are we nitpicking Owlman and Cyborg? They are ALL fictional characters. If you allow for one side, and wish to compare with another medium, then you need a consistent basis and methodology otherwise it is as my post on page one said - it's impossible.

but it's really not a stretch to believe that jiren can produce universe destroying attacks, because he scales massively above characters who are already universe level. however it's way more of a stretch to think that owlman and the moon can survive universal attacks.

Then we get into arguments where 'believability' is a factor.

It's a stretch to me that mutations in one's DNA can cause you to grow blue fur and become stronger/more agile. Beastlike, if you will.

It's more of a stretch that mutations enable you to control the weather, or the EM spectrum, or develop something completely fictional like telepathy.

Ergo, Beast's feats are more 'valid', and we disregard Magneto or Storm's entire resume, because it's way too much of a stretch of science and logic to believe DNA mutations give you the power to summon rain.

so do you truly believe that it takes universal power to destroy marvel's moon or kill owlman?

because that would be quite a game changer.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
so do you truly believe that it takes universal power to destroy marvel's moon or kill owlman?

because that would be quite a game changer.

Of course not - and neither was it the writer's intention to do so. I agree with you that they have zero idea on science etc.

Be that as it may, it's still a canon comic, and there's no context to it - Cyborg has, regularly, outputted 1million decibels of white noise.

Jiren used his most powerful attack that is more powerful than anything before it. It's universal.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This tidbit I found in Takion 5 letters page is very interesting. Apparently Hal as Parallax could fire universe destroying blasts (Which we saw in zero hour) yet Takion was more powerful than him.

https://i.postimg.cc/5tn56CpN/image.jpg

That would be a monstrous feat for Highfather and Darkseid.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
that's not the point. jiren's attack should have been universal any way you slice it, because he scales way above characters who were already universal.

but do you truly believe that it requires universal++ power to defeat owlman or destroy marvel's moon? if so, we should start making IG vs marvel moon threads.


Who in the ToP destroyed a universe?

Originally posted by carver9
Jiren attack isn't a one off though or hyperbole or PIS, he's naturally that powerful whereas the instances dark named is a one off and doesn't normally apply to that characters abilities. We wouldn't call those average showings for those characters. If we made a Cho or Supergirl vs Galactus thread, mentioning any of these fts would be laughable because at the end of the day, neither are powerful enough to defeat Galactus. If we made a Jiren vs Galactus thread, it'll be spite with Jiren caving Galactus head in because he's just that powerful. So one offs are just that, one offs whereas pure power and being able to repeat that power is what Jiren is. Then, he wasn't even using a percentage of his power there.


The fact is, this is all hyperbole.


Cell can't destroy a galaxy, Buu can't destroy a universe, Dragon Ball tops off at Mountain Busting. Planet busting is the rare event.

The fact is we debate on feats. Who actually did what, not what was said someone can do.


No feats, then it's hyperbole.

Originally posted by carver9
Jiren used his most powerful attack that is more powerful than anything before it. It's universal.

Yeah I'm not questioning it.

I'm saying on face value, Cyborg outputs universe busting attacks, more than once, and people can take it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah I'm not questioning it.

I'm saying on face value, Cyborg outputs universe busting attacks, more than once, and people can take it.

If Cyborg tiering is universal, then I can not dispute it. Answer this, is he planetary, Mobius? Let's dip it a little further, is he even city busting level? If not, then we can end this dispute. If he is city busting or planetary, at his power level shown here. Please explain why. Please don't resort to fts outside of this. Look at it the same way you looked at the Galactus that fought Cosmic Herald Thor.

https://ibb.co/rvvyMsD

Originally posted by carver9
If Cyborg tiering is universal, then I can not dispute it. Answer this, is he planetary, Mobius? Let's dip it a little further, is he even city busting level? If not, then we can end this dispute. If he is city busting or planetary, at his power level shown here. Please explain why. Please don't resort to fts outside of this. Look at it the same way you looked at the Galactus that fought Cosmic Herald Thor.

https://ibb.co/rvvyMsD
What's happening in that scan? Break it down for me

Tell me how it compares to Cyborg literally saying one million decibels. It's not the same thing

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
clearly the writers just don't understand that seismic and decibel units are logarithmic rather than linear. because 123 on the richter scale or 1 million decibels should have decimated the observable universe. but owlman and the moon were just fine after those attacks.

so what makes more sense? that owlman and the marvel moon have universal durability, or that the writers just have no clue what they're talking about in those instances? Comic book writers aren't scientists. Most of them will just throw around random numbers and whatnot, so long as they sound cool... But at the end of the day, writer-intent is writer-intent, whether it is logical or not. This is fiction, after all -- it doesn't have to make sense. /shrug

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's happening in that scan? Break it down for me

Tell me how it compares to Cyborg literally saying one million decibels. It's not the same thing

I'm asking you Mobius power level. Let's not avoid, please. Is he city or planet busting? Yes or no

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah I'm not questioning it.

I'm saying on face value, Cyborg outputs universe busting attacks, more than once, and people can take it.


So just gonna take Carver at his word. How uncharacteristically naive.



Galan himself isn't above questioning, mod status or no, but I suppose you won't ask him to back up any claims either.



I read the manga, seen the animes and movies, and none of the stupid sources or interviews in Japanese or by Toriyama or Toyatoro because I don't consider them relevant to what actually happened on screen or in print. I can authoritatively state that most of Dragon Ball is meaningless "power levels" that have no objective measurements in real world terms (What is.a power level? How many power levels does it take to light a light bulb?), and the other half is big grand statements that never actually happen.


Oh no, Beerus and Goku will destroy the universe by hitting their fists together!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bW2c3_PyW3Q



First off, the Elder Kai who said this also said Potera Earing fusion was permanent. He was wrong. SSJ God Vegetto only lasted like 15 minutes before breaking.


But we're just supposed to take his word for the universe threat here right?


Even if Beerus himself can break a universe, as his tiff with his bro Champa seemed to indicate, you can't scale that to Goku.



Power scaling, character statements, fan calculations, it is all BULLSHIT.


Maybe you'd figure that out if you actually acted as critically towards the.... fans who are likely boys, as you do to Carver.


Or Maybe your schtick is grabbing at low hanging fruit, and you're just not very good at vetting halfway competent people, I dunno.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm asking you Mobius power level. Let's not avoid, please. Is he city or planet busting? Yes or no

What's happening in that scan?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's happening in that scan?


He's fighting. So what's his power level? Can he destroy what I asked or no?

Originally posted by carver9
He's fighting. So what's his power level? Can he destroy what I asked or no?

He's killing Ultraman, right? Using just that scene, with nothing else being brought in, that doesn't look that impressive to me. Probably can't destroy even a city block, using that one scene.

Originally posted by cdtm
Galan himself isn't above questioning Of course I'm not. If I'm spewing illogical bullshit, I welcome people to call me on it.

Originally posted by cdtm
Power scaling, character statements, fan calculations, it is all BULLSHIT. If you're applying that kind of logic to DB-lore, then you should apply said logic to comic-lore, right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's killing Ultraman, right? Using just that scene, with nothing else being brought in, that doesn't look that impressive to me. Probably can't destroy even a city block, using that one scene.

Gotcha... so he's not planetary. Thanks.

Based on those panels, no. As you said, he's just fighting.Devoid of any other information, it's just pretty lights, like in the clip you posted in OP

So back on topic. Cyborg outputs million decibels, Owlman isn't even kod. On panel, canon.

Illogical? Yes. More illogical than someone outputting universal plus attacks! No

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Based on those panels, no. As you said, he's just fighting.Devoid of any other information, it's just pretty lights, like in the clip you posted in OP

So back on topic. Cyborg outputs million decibels, Owlman isn't even kod. On panel, canon.

Illogical? Yes. More illogical than someone outputting universal plus attacks! No

So Mobius isn't planetary, gotcha (that's some funny sh**).

If Cyborg has consistently been shown as Universal, then yes. One offs ain't crap. Please watch DBZ. You shouldn't participate in their threads.

Originally posted by Galan007
Of course I'm not. If I'm spewing illogical bullshit, I welcome people to call me on it.

If you're applying that kind of logic to DB-lore, then you should apply said logic to comic-lore, right?


I do though.

That scan I showed wasn't any sort of hyperbole, it was Superman actually sitting out naked in an exploded Source Wall energy with the Anti Life entity raging next to him. The Source energy capabilities are all based off feats, we KNOW they're Multiverse plus, the same way we know an Infinity Gauntlet or Beyonders abilities.


On a lower level, Odin and other skyfathers like Surtur actually bust galaxies on panel, as opposed to Perfect Cell merely being all talk.


Basically what I'm saying is Dragon Ball feats are few and far between. They tend to talk big and have since early Z, but the actual performances have been the same since Z as well, same collateral damage, same tricks.

Prime could

Originally posted by carver9
So Mobius isn't planetary, gotcha (that's some funny sh**).

If Cyborg has consistently been shown as Universal, then yes. One offs ain't crap. Please watch DBZ. You shouldn't participate in their threads.

I posted two scans of Cyborg. That's more than a one off, sorry.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Prime could

Hyperion as well?

Originally posted by carver9
So Mobius isn't planetary, gotcha (that's some funny sh**).

If Cyborg has consistently been shown as Universal, then yes. One offs ain't crap. Please watch DBZ. You shouldn't participate in their threads.

'One-offs', Carver says.

Here are a few times Cyborg has fired off one million decibels of sound:

https://i.postimg.cc/76X1MRFR/7012405-dodges-cyborgs-attack-in-instants-tntt-9.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/JsxXxy2X/IMG-5666.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Y4SWsp5s/New-Teen-Titans13-Harbinger.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/TprgyNjC/ntt40.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cv0Yf7XZ/paFwaaR.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/p5KhFyjp/RCO004-1463423460.jpg

But wait! Carvy will say those are too old. OK, so more recent examples:

https://i.postimg.cc/G8WTtvHW/Booster-Gold-22-4.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/kVhbr09X/CxUGBON.jpg

So that's....eight times I casually found out, across time periods, Pre-Crisis, Post Crisis. Using character statements AND narration.

For reference, how often has Silver Surfer created a black hole? Once, across his ENTIRE publication history, since the 60s (for comparison, Cyborg, a team member, has only been around since the 80s).

How often has Hulk gone WBH?

How often has Gladiator gone faster than a blink of a god's eye?

How often has...well, you get the picture. The three I have named have fewer examples than Cyborg has of firing one million decibels, and in the case of Hulk and Surfer, they have FAR more appearances than poor Cyborg, who is mostly in team books. Hell, Aquaman has his White Martian feat used more often on the forums than that, based off a single showing.

You know, it's probably even more times than Wally has used the IMP. So food for thought.

And all this was just found after a couple of minutes of Googling. If I cared more I'm sure I'd be able to find more examples of Cyborg's one million decibel cannon.

Lol thanks math magicians!!!!

Btw, am fully 100% in agreement that it's complete and utter stupidity that he's pumping out one million decibels, lol. But that's not the point here.

Point is, he is and he does. As written multiple times, across his entire history. Moreover, for this thread, his targets are also being hit by one million decibels, and surviving it.

So whoever is the weakest person to take it. Probably still Owlman.

Judging by the Tournament of Power;


FODUmZIxBUA



If a rock can hurt them, and they can tank a beam, that proves their beams hurt as much as a rock.


Clearly their planets are weak.


Jiren did not even destroy all those same rocks.

Therefore Iron Fist face tanks a Jiren attack.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hyperion as well?

Absolutely

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Absolutely


Batman could tank it.


Not even joking, he survived a lot worse against Zoom.

Originally posted by h1a8
I think you made a slight mistake when calculating the force.
You said the cross sectional size of the blast was about 10cm by 10cm (you assumed a square shape). I would assume more of a circle with a radius of 12-15cm.

But that's not important as that's not the mistake.
10cm by 10cm = 0.1m by 0.1m = 0.01m^2
Force = Pressure/Area = 2e49995/0.01 N =2e49997 N
Thus your result should be larger.

But 2e49993 vs 2e49995 is irrelevant as both are universal amounts of force.
You should check your equation for force.

Einstein, Newton and Pascal are playing hide and seek. Einstein is it, so he starts to count to 50. Pascal instantly runs and hides. Newton, however, does not move but instead draws a 1 meter by 1 meter square on the ground with a stick, and stands in it.

Einstein finishes counting, opens his eyes, immediately sees Newton, and declares that he has been found. But Newton just points to the square under him and shouts "No, I'm Pascal! I'm Pascal!".

Originally posted by Magnon
Einstein, Newton and Pascal are playing hide and seek. Einstein is it, so he starts to count to 50. Pascal instantly runs and hides. Newton, however, does not move but instead draws a 1 meter by 1 meter square on the ground with a stick, and stands in it.

Einstein finishes counting, opens his eyes, immediately sees Newton, and declares that he has been found. But Newton just points to the square under him and shouts "No, I'm Pascal! I'm Pascal!".

Originally posted by Galan007
Logical power-scaling.

Stopped reading right there.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Only 1100 db are needed to destroy the universe. And a million db sound wave is gazillions times more powerful.

1101 db 10 universes level.
1102 db 10* 101db so 100 * universe level.
1103 db is 1000* Universe level.
Actually, it's the unit "bel" (B) that has the property +1 B <--> 10 times the power. Since one bel is ten decibels (1 B = 10 dB) we have +10 dB <--> 10 times the power. So, for example +20 dB equals 100 times the power, +30 dB equals 1000 times the power, and so on.

Originally posted by Magnon
Actually, it's the unit "bel" (B) that has the property +1 B <--> 10 times the power. Since one bel is ten decibels (1 B = 10 dB) we have +10 dB <--> 10 times the power. So, for example +20 dB equals 100 times the power, +30 dB equals 1000 times the power, and so on. I thought it lit was 1. My bad, stand corrected. But still a multi universal destroying power.