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Originally posted by armandovalles
I think Ben is highly underrated here. I mean, in the Superman/FF crossover, Ben had a great showing against Cyborg Supes, who is at least at Superman-level, but just so i dont do a repeat thread of everyone saying Ben would be dead in seconds im adding special stipulations to give Ben more of a chance. First, Superman cannot use his eye beams, speed blitz, or Ice Breath/Super Breath. Second, Superman has one hand tied behind his back by an 1rst-grade-adamantium Coil. Third, Superman cannot give Ben a ring out, such as punching or throwing him too far away from the fight to continue, and there is no using the Sun either to throw/hit Ben into. Fourth, Superman gives Ben 2 free shots to start off the fight, and Ben can use whatever he wants for those fights, such as dropping large things on him, hitting him with objects, etc. And finally, Ben gets 3 hours of prep time help with Reed while Superman gets a half-hour of prep time help with Bruce.

So can Ben pull it off?



Crippled Superman vs. Vision. Bloodlust is on...

So Superman still gets his nonsensical strength, durability, and logic defying anti-everything properties?

yes

I'm actually going to go with Vision..... if he gets two free hits then he can fly up about 50 miles, or more, and drop himself at full density on to Superman.... from 1 mile high he KO'd Count Nefaria

Nah , even crippled supes is still a force to be reckoned with ,He moves at 25 percent light speed (still pretty damn fast) and knocks vision's head clean off.

what a stupid thread

Originally posted by grey fox
Nah , even crippled supes is still a force to be reckoned with ,He moves at 25 percent light speed (still pretty damn fast) and knocks vision's head clean off.

speed blitz is banned and Vision gets two free hits... plus 3 hours of prep with Reed

Originally posted by Scoobless
speed blitz is banned and Vision gets two free hits... plus 3 hours of prep with Reed



That isn't speedbltiz , speedblitz is him going as fast as he can and attacking multiple times while using all of his powers at disposal

nah... speed blitz is attacking faster than your opponent can defend against

Originally posted by Scoobless
nah... speed blitz is attacking faster than your opponent can defend against

Supes survives the moon exploding, remeber whem he tried his mass increasing stunt against that mpnolith thing and got swatted because it could react that fast, that's what happens here. Diamond hard soft you mean!!

Shit , well supes still wins he is way WAY WAY higher then vision in strength , a single punch should do it.

Vision wins but toughest fight of his life

Originally posted by Pepito
Vision wins but toughest fight of his life

Respect the Avengers....



(not the New Avengers though)

Anyway... Vision knows what Superman's weaknesses are (from Avengers/JLA) and since he has 3 hours prep with Reed i'm sure he can install a red sun radiation device alongside his microwave emitter

Originally posted by Scoobless
Anyway... Vision knows what Superman's weaknesses are (from Avengers/JLA) and since he has 3 hours prep with Reed i'm sure he can install a red sun radiation device alongside his microwave emitter

Nah Supes owns him.