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Garlic Junior is a demon that appears in Dragon Ball Z: Dead Zone, and was the main villain during a filler saga in the anime. His father was imprisoned by Kami in the realm of darkness, leaving Garlic Jr. with a deep feeling of resentment and desire for revenge. He collects the Dragon Balls and gains immortality. He can freely open an alternate dimension called dead zone.

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The nameless being later to be called Doomsday was artificially created in the distant past on Krypton, long before the humanoid Kryptonian race had gained dominance over the planet. During this time period, Krypton was a violent, hellish world where only the absolute strongest of creatures could survive (at the time, the world's dominant lifeforms were said to be the most dangerous creatures in the universe). Doomsday's creator was a mysterious alien named Bertron, who wished to create the ultimate lifeform. To do so, Bertron and his team sent a baby onto the surface of the planet, where it would be instantly killed by the harsh environment or the vicious creatures inhabiting it. Each time, whatever of the lifeform's remains that survived were harvested and used again, to create a better, stronger version than the previous. In short, the mad scientist was using the method of cloning to accelerate the evolution of the being he was creating. Through decades of this process, the being who would eventually become Doomsday was forced to endure the agony of death, thousands upon thousands of times; the memory of these countless deaths was recorded in his genes and drove it to hate all life. Eventually, Doomsday gained the ability to evolve against what killed him in his prior life without the need of Bertron's technology. At this point he proceeded to hunt down and kill all of the lethal creatures that inhabited Krypton. Bertron himself met his death at the hands of his own creation.






who will win?

If Garlic Jr. gets his immortality, then the fight goes on forever since neither one can kill each other

garlic jr bfr to dead zone ftw

roofles garlic jr gets all his limbs ripped off.

Which DD? Sme versions GJ can BFR quite easily.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Which DD? Sme versions GJ can BFR quite easily.

are there any versions Doomsday that can erase atoms?

Why does that matter?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Why does that matter?

garlic jr. is immortal.

are there any version of doomsday that can erase atoms.

Not that I can think of.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Not that I can think of.

how fast can doomsday regenerate from being reduced to skeleton?

Imperiex I think it was reduced him to one once, not sure how long it took.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Imperiex I think it was reduced him to one once, not sure how long it took.

then, doomsday is nowhere at DBZ level.

LOL WHAT!?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
LOL WHAT!?

can doomsday survive many solar system buster and dimensional destroyer energy?

how would he beat garlic jr. if he can't erase an atom?

By knocking him out maybe? Show me one DBZ character who has survived a solar system being destroyed.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
then, doomsday is nowhere at DBZ level.
What?

Did you just imply that DBZ level>Imperiex?

If we take G Jr. Immortality into account, Doomsday will tire eventually, Garlic can take the brunt of his attacks and when his opponent is weak crush, he would just have to avoid; taunt Doomsday into tiring himself out.

Doomsday doesn't ever tire.

Originally posted by Magee
roofles garlic jr gets all his limbs ripped off.
.... and grows them back since he's immortal.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Doomsday doesn't ever tire.
Then as Endless Mike said, the fight goes on forever... thus making this kind of a pointless match to begin with.

Garlic could win by BFR, but I'm not sure if Doomsday would ever stop tearing into him long enough for him to do anything.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
.... and grows them back since he's immortal.


Then as Endless Mike said, the fight goes on forever... thus making this kind of a pointless match to begin with. Can Garlic Jr. regrow limbs? Just because he's immortal doesn't mean he'd be able to regrow an arm.

Originally posted by Kento
Can Garlic Jr. regrow limbs? Just because he's immortal doesn't mean he'd be able to regrow an arm.
Yes, he can regrow limbs. He has unlimited regen.

Doomsday eats him

Hmm. Oh well. Don't remember what Garlic that well.

Originally posted by superkronick92
Doomsday eats him
Where does he find room? Doomsday is solid.

He evolves and gives himself as many stomachs as he needs.

Originally posted by Kento
Can Garlic Jr. regrow limbs? Just because he's immortal doesn't mean he'd be able to regrow an arm.
Um, Gohan flew right THROUGH him, and he was able to regenerate from it...

Originally posted by King Kandy
What?

Did you just imply that DBZ level>Imperiex?

dbz universe characters, yes and i know who is imperiex

Originally posted by superkronick92
He evolves and gives himself as many stomachs as he needs.





that doesn't kill or stop garlic jr.

do you know what deadzone is?

GJ flys really high, and then opens the Dead zone.

The amount of damage dealt to Doomsday determines the length of time it would take to fully recover.

The Radiant killed Doomsday with a huge blast of energy (laying waste to over a fifth of his world in the process). definitely not a planet buster blast.

doomsday can evolve past whatever defeated him.


any blast that can waste to over a fifth of a planet can kill doomsday if they will only fight once.

Garlic Junior would win this.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
The amount of damage dealt to Doomsday determines the length of time it would take to fully recover.

The Radiant killed Doomsday with a huge blast of energy (laying waste to over a fifth of his world in the process). definitely not a planet buster blast.

doomsday can evolve past whatever defeated him.


any blast that can waste to over a fifth of a planet can kill doomsday if they will only fight once.
Well that would be true except Doomsday is now far beyond his Power Level in those days.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well that would be true except Doomsday is now far beyond his Power Level in those days.

doomsday's body needs to be familiar with the same energy not the damage, which means any planet busting attack could kill doomsday.

Right... It's not like green lantern blasts bounced off him. He's taken Orion's Astro force without a scratch which vastly above planet busting.

Still I can't belive anyone is arguing for Garlic junior. He's a moron. As in all his appearances he'll open a portal to the dead zone for no apparent reason and get thrown in.



Hmm strong the fanboy is in this one...

This becomes a stalemate.

But since Jr. Is Immortal he would win.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
This becomes a stalemate.

But since Jr. Is Immortal he would win.
Hows he going to beat Doomsday?

He can keep going, without being hurt or tired, to be fair Garlic also holds a trump card in the form of the Dead Zone.

Doomsday is also immortal..And Gohan always throws Garlic Jr into the deadzone so if he used that Doomsday would be able to faster and easier.

Since when has opening the Dead Zone ever led to anything other than Garlic Jr. getting sucked into it himself? He opens it and Doomsday punches him into it.

He should think about getting a new gimmick.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
doomsday's body needs to be familiar with the same energy not the damage, which means any planet busting attack could kill doomsday. DD took the Omega Effect from Darkseid dude.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He opens it and Doomsday punches him into it.
Garlic Jr. uses the power of the Makyo Star to escape the Dead Zone. The fight continues.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
1. Orion has multiple planet busting feats.
2. Garlic Jr. IS a moron. That's pretty much proven.
3. ignoring.
4. Darkseid is a skyfather. This question is an insult. and the OE would permamently destroy Garlic Jr., immortality be damned. It almost killed Lobo, and he's immortal.

prove it!!!!!!!!

it's funny that it didn't harm the planet when orion is using it.

can he compress that multiple planet busting? prove it.......

garlic jr. has unlimited regeneration

Garlic Jr. Has the upper hand.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Garlic Jr. Has the upper hand.
Not really...

From where I'm standing, neither of them really have an upper hand in this case. A battle between Doomsday and Garlic Jr. could go on forever...

I don't like Garlic Jr. but if he can open the dead Zone he can trap doomsday.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Not really...

From where I'm standing, neither of them really have an upper hand in this case. A battle between Doomsday and Garlic Jr. could go on forever... Just because they are immortal doesn't mean one can't be knocked out though so it won't really go on forever.

Is Doomsday a character in an anime?

The Dead Zone is a powerful weapon.

Garlic jr. can still be immortal with his body parts scattered every where right? I pick DD.

He can regenerate his limbs/body.

Originally posted by Yoshi Paradise
Is Doomsday a character in an anime? Doomsday is the thing that killed Superman.

Yeah he was lobotomized in TAS.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
He can regenerate his limbs/body.

When did he do this?

I think the movie or the Garlic Jr. Saga, Gohan burst's right through him and he just heals the hole made.

If you're so focused on destroying planets, when did Garlic Jr. destroy a planet?

Oh that's right - he never did. In fact his most powerful attacks barely scratched Kami's little platform

He never destroyed planets, I think he did in the movie, his father did either way I don't like either of them, but Garlic has the dead Zone so....

We never saw his father at all. He was only mentioned. And the Dead Zone always ends up backfiring on him anyway. Not to mention Doomsday could just adapt a way out of it anyway.

Yeah but he is fighting Saiyans, Garlic can regenerate as well, and since he is immortal he just has to tire out Doomsday then attack.

Originally posted by dvampire
Garlic jr. can still be immortal with his body parts scattered every where right?
Well, if Majin Buu can do that (who isn't immortal), I don't see why Garlic Jr. couldn't.

In any case, yeah. I agree that Doomsday would be more likely to win... eventually.

Buu would beat both of them.

Originally posted by Kento
Doomsday is the thing that killed Superman.

Are we allowed to make a versus thread between an anime character and a person from DC Comics in the Anime/Manga forum?

Hmmmm Good point, know one seems to care so it keeps going.

no one wins... bye

DD wins cept for the immortality bit. but then again he could jus die on purpose and come back evolved then kill him

If it is DOS DD, I can actually see GJ winning, anything much stronger, like HP or DD Wars, GJ phails hard.

Garlic Jr wasn't even really that powerful though was he? I mean Gohan before he even knew how to control his power was stronger than him I think DOS Doomsday could do it also.

Originally posted by Kento
Garlic Jr wasn't even really that powerful though was he? I mean Gohan before he even knew how to control his power was stronger than him I think DOS Doomsday could do it also.

im completely unfamiliar with comics, so i have no idea what DOS doomsday can do. but ya garic junior is weak as hell, but since he is uncanon, gohans power could be anywhere from krillins strength to ssj3 goku. its a movie. it doesnt have to make sense. so maybe he's ultra strong. no one actually knows

Okay. What if Garlic Jr. unleashed the Black Water Mist upon Doomsday?

He's stuck, Garlic Jr. would have him as his personal puppet.

Originally posted by Kento
Garlic Jr wasn't even really that powerful though was he? I mean Gohan before he even knew how to control his power was stronger than him I think DOS Doomsday could do it also. Actually, no he wasn't. His strength was greater than Freeza's second form. He was slow however.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Actually, no he wasn't. His strength was greater than Freeza's second form. He was slow however. Was this said in the Garlic Jr Saga? Because Gohan wasn't stronger than Freeza's first form and he was stronger at least in the Dead Zone. Garlic wasn't even much more powerful than Kami. He was just immortal and unable to be beaten.

Immortality makes Garlic a villain, but still he is weak, stupid and very annoying.

Originally posted by Kento
Garlic wasn't even much more powerful than Kami.
In his normal state anyway (the much smaller form)... but I'm just gonna gather that we're talking about Doomsday VS Garlic Jr. in his transformed state here.

The buff state, yeah I think so.

Originally posted by Kento
Was this said in the Garlic Jr Saga? Because Gohan wasn't stronger than Freeza's first form and he was stronger at least in the Dead Zone. Garlic wasn't even much more powerful than Kami. He was just immortal and unable to be beaten. LOL WHAT!? He was stronger than Piccolo, but slower, who is more powerful than 2nd form Freeza.

Vegeta wins.

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/853/vegetadancegq1.gif

Garlic jr would win this as long as he's in his muscular form.

Originally posted by Ozone
Garlic jr would win this as long as he's in his muscular form. That all depends on what Doomsday.Originally posted by Violent2Dope
LOL WHAT!? He was stronger than Piccolo, but slower, who is more powerful than 2nd form Freeza. He was weaker than Gohan during Dead Zone so he must have gotten a lot powerful in there somehow and I don't remember Black Water Mist...at least not him being stronger than Piccolo. Didn't Gohan beat him again? I can't remember...

In BWM the Makyo Star(his power source) was somehow coming closer to earth, which is what allowed him to break free of the Dead Zone. He easily pwned any and all, except Piccolo, who used GJ's comparatively slow speed against him, but eventually he was not enough. Then, he opened the Dead Zone, but then Gohan destroyed the Makyo Star, which made GJ powerless, so he was sucked in the DZ.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
He easily pwned any and all, except Piccolo, who used GJ's comparatively slow speed against him
And brute strength.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
but eventually he was not enough.
Oh, but he was enough for Garlic Jr. Piccolo just became weakened because Kami (who was trying to spread the Sacred Water) was being damaged badly by the former guardians of Earth. Were it not for that, Piccolo could've just kept going and going.

In any case, I don't get what any of this has to do with GJ vs Doomsday.


As for the match between them, I reckon if Garlic Jr were to open the Dead Zone in an attempt to suck Doomsday in, Doomsday (before getting sucked in) could easily just punch Garlic Jr. into the void, but then Garlic could just use the power of the Makyo Star to escape, and thus, the fight continues...
On the other hand, if Garlic Jr. were to attempt to infect Doomsday with the Black Water Mist (Doomsday would probably just breathe it in carelessly), he would become his pawn, and thus, Garlic would win.

At least that's how I see it. Of course, I'm not entirely sure myself if the Black Water Mist would actually work on DD.
Either way, if anyone disagrees, feel free to prove me wrong, I guess.

He of course had to use strength, but by Pic's own admission GJ was stronger than him, just slower. I forgot about the Kami thing tho.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

At least that's how I see it. Of course, I'm not entirely sure myself if the Black Water Mist would actually work on DD.
Either way, if anyone disagrees, feel free to prove me wrong, I guess. Wouldn't Doomsday need like a brain or organs or something for it to work instead of just bones and solid muscle.

If Martian Manhunter's TP didn't work, what makes you think that crap would?

It didn't work on Picollo because his physiology was too different. Doomsday's is far more different.

Originally posted by Kento
That all depends on what Doomsday.

What about him?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
If Martian Manhunter's TP didn't work, what makes you think that crap would?

It didn't work on Picollo because his physiology was too different. Doomsday's is far more different.

hell even if it did work, he'd be his pawn for what all of five min? he'd jus evolve so it didnt effect him

How is the Black Water Mist going to effect DD if DD doesn't breathe?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
He of course had to use strength, but by Pic's own admission GJ was stronger than him, just slower. I forgot about the Kami thing tho.
Yeah. I figured.

Originally posted by Kento
Wouldn't Doomsday need like a brain or organs or something for it to work instead of just bones and solid muscle.
And how do you/we know what's required for one to be infected by the Black Water Mist? I don't think that was ever specified, though if it was, enlighten me.

But from what we do know, the BWM was not only able to infect humans, but even animals as well (which tried to kill Gohan the moment they got infected).

And solid or not, muscles were organic last I checked (in response to that last part of your post).

Originally posted by Endless Mike
If Martian Manhunter's TP didn't work, what makes you think that crap would?
Well, it depends on which version of Doomsday. If the Doomsday we've been talking about in this thread (VS Garlic Jr.) is the one that was immune to Jonn's TP, then of course the BWM wouldn't work.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It didn't work on Picollo because his physiology was too different. Doomsday's is far more different.
In that case, back to the drawing board for this thread it is then...

I was trying to think of some other way (that wasn't mentioned before) to end this particular VS topic, so that's why I happened to have thought of the BWM. I'm not exactly a big fan of Garlic Jr. or anything (then again, who here is?).

Originally posted by King Kandy
How is the Black Water Mist going to effect DD if DD doesn't breathe?
In that case (if he doesn't breathe), if the BWM were able to work on DD by some chance (if), then getting him bitten by someone who has already gotten infected would also cause DD to get effected by it.


But... I'm just going to stop there with the whole thing about Doomsday and the Black Water Mist, as Endless Mike pretty much showed why it wouldn't work on him.
Too much speculation isn't good anyway.

but TP and black water mist are different.

black water mist are mystical in origin.

science does not apply in fictional accounts such as this.

the black water mist can make anyone it's minion. a fact cant be countered, the anime states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.

the only thing doomsday can counter is the bite of garlic jr. if he can also stop his blood flows like piccolo did.

the effect didn't work on piccolo because the venom didn't flow inside his systems. you see, piccolo press his neck and the venom squirts.

wait, did anyone post the scans where doomsday took a planet busting.

because the astro force you were talking about can also produce smaller blasts. how sure you are it is a planet busting that doomsday took?

can doomsday erase atoms or smoke?

DD was able to evolve to be able to kill an energy being by creating an anti-energy from his body and canceling him out. Given time, DD can beat pretty much anyone under a certain power level. BFR is pretty much the best and sometimes only thing that works.

And that mist was crap. It's not gonna do shit to Doomsday. Even if it did affect him, Doomsday has one of the best healing factors around in addition to his other powers. He'd purge that shit right out.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah. I figured.


And how do you/we know what's required for one to be infected by the Black Water Mist? I don't think that was ever specified, though if it was, enlighten me.

But from what we do know, the BWM was not only able to infect humans, but even animals as well (which tried to kill Gohan the moment they got infected).

And solid or not, muscles were organic last I checked (in response to that last part of your post).


Well, it depends on which version of Doomsday. If the Doomsday we've been talking about in this thread (VS Garlic Jr.) is the one that was immune to Jonn's TP, then of course the BWM wouldn't work.


In that case, back to the drawing board for this thread it is then...

I was trying to think of some other way (that wasn't mentioned before) to end this particular VS topic, so that's why I happened to have thought of the BWM. I'm not exactly a big fan of Garlic Jr. or anything (then again, who here is?).


In that case (if he doesn't breathe), if the BWM were able to work on DD by some chance (if), then getting him bitten by someone who has already gotten infected would also cause DD to get effected by it.


But... I'm just going to stop there with the whole thing about Doomsday and the Black Water Mist, as Endless Mike pretty much showed why it wouldn't work on him.
Too much speculation isn't good anyway. Well there would have to be something the mist affected to turn them? And animals and humans all have everything Doomsday doesn't like brains and lungs and hearts and all the other organs.

Yea muscles are organic sure but he doesn't have any internal organs or anything.

Was the version of Doomsday ever actually specified? And TP and BWM are completely different so being immune to TP doesn't mean BWM won't work even if it is from J'onn. Not that I think BWM will work.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
but TP and black water mist are different.

black water mist are mystical in origin.

it didn't work on piccolo because the venom didn't flow, you see piccolo press his neck and the venom squirts.

wait, did anyone post the scans where doomsday took a planet busting.

because the astro force you were talking about can also produce smaller blasts. how sure you are it is a planet busting that doomsday took?

can doomsday erase atoms or smoke? What does it matter if Doomsday took planet destroy blasts or not? Garlic Jr. wasn't ever shown to have that kind of energy to do so. And H/P Doomsday who is like third or second strongest depending on how you view Gog Wars and Doomsday Wars since there really was no need for Doomsday Wars Doomsday to actually be any stronger or anything took a blasts that turned a large chunk of a planet that was rocky flat like it was nothing which is more than what Garlic could do. DOS Doomsday did some pretty impressive things also but I can't really remember any blasts.
Originally posted by King Kandy
How is the Black Water Mist going to effect DD if DD doesn't breathe? Just because he doesn't breathe doesn't mean it won't go into him as he opens his mouth and growls...though how he can talk is beyond me. Originally posted by Ozone
What about him? There are many versions of him.

Originally posted by Kento
and what does Makyo Star have to do with anything? It's power didn't give him anything over Doomsday at all and Garlic Jr opening the Dead Zone would just backfire on him again.
True, but Garlic Jr. could still use the power of the Makyo Star to escape the Dead Zone if it backfired on him again (like if Doomsday threw or knocked him into the void).

Meh. In any case, I see now that me bringing up the BWM really was a bad idea for this thread to begin with (though I guess it was worth a try), since now it's only leading to redundant speculation on both sides, which isn't getting us anywhere...

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
True, but Garlic Jr. could still use the power of the Makyo Star to escape the Dead Zone if it backfired on him again (like if Doomsday threw or knocked him into the void).

Meh. In any case, I see now that me bringing up the BWM really was a bad idea for this thread to begin with (though I guess it was worth a try), since now it's only leading to redundant speculation on both sides, which isn't getting us anywhere... How long would it take for Garlic to get out though?

Eh somebody else would have brought up BWM since it's something Garlic has so it's no big deal.

This thread has had it's day, me thinks.

Originally posted by Kento
How long would it take for Garlic to get out though?
Hmm. Good point.

Although the movie Dead Zone doesn't follow the DBZ storyline, I think it happened around the time of the Raditz saga (since both Goku and Piccolo fought Garlic Jr. without their weighted training clothing like they did against Raditz, and those were like the only times in DBZ where Goku took his boots off in a fight), and Garlic Jr. didn't escape the Dead Zone as a result of infant Gohan's anger up until... shortly after the Frieza saga. wounded2

So eh, I guess that is a little too long in between. After Doomsday knocks Garlic Jr. into the Dead Zone (if he were to), DD would assume it's over and claim total victory, rather than stand around and wait that long for GJ to escape.

Originally posted by Kento
Eh somebody else would have brought up BWM since it's something Garlic has so it's no big deal.
Oh. Yeah. Guess that's true...

The Dead Zone was before the Raditz saga, I think it was the first DBZ production?

It be around the same time though. And would how far the Makyo star be from Earth make it faster or slower to get out of the Dead Zone?

Originally posted by Kento
And would how far the Makyo star be from Earth make it faster or slower to get out of the Dead Zone?
Hmm. Yes. I believe so...

Hmm guess that just leaves speculation though. I mean it's not known how long Garlic would take to get out if the star was as close to Earth as possible or anything.

Originally posted by Kento
Hmm guess that just leaves speculation though. I mean it's not known how long Garlic would take to get out if the star was as close to Earth as possible or anything.
Heh. Yeah. That's true...

So eh, I'm not sure what else to say about this topic.

garlic junior in the phantom zone. lets ee his star help him there

How would Garlic get to the phantom zone when fighting Doomsday?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
DD took the Omega Effect from Darkseid dude.

Was this jobersied or darksied?

Originally posted by Kento
How would Garlic get to the phantom zone when fighting Doomsday?

he wouldnt. but id like to see it happen. my star is close. but i cant escape!!!!!!

Originally posted by chickenlover98
he wouldnt. but id like to see it happen. my star is close. but i cant escape!!!!!!
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