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Major Force stomps (the first time I've ever used the term). He is physically able to go toe to toe with Superman, GL and Captain Atom. Adding in his energy/matter manip and his willingness to kill his opponent (and anyone unfortunate enough to be around) means a quick and painful death for Namor, imho.

Major Force has never won a fight (to my knowledge) has he? Despite all his power, he's DC's version of Rhino.

Namor ftw.

Kyle pretty much one shot beat him after the "Women in fridges" incident. And Guy Gardner in his Warrior mode (Considerably weaker then Superman and other heavy hitters) fought him on an even level, and was the one to kill him when Kyle refused.

Major Force is shit tier.

Namor is such a hoser. He dies here.

Originally posted by zopzop
Major Force has never won a fight (to my knowledge) has he? Despite all his power, he's DC's version of Rhino.

Namor ftw.
He has fought entire JLA at once. Beat the shit out of both Hal and Kyle on different occasions. He has plenty of feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He has fought entire JLA at once. Beat the shit out of both Hal and Kyle on different occasions. He has plenty of feats. Didn't he fight the JLA before Kyle stomped him?

I remember him being the big bad earlier on in his appearances, then he just starting sucking, correct me if I'm wrong though.

Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't he fight the JLA before Kyle stomped him?

I remember him being the big bad earlier on in his appearances, then he just starting sucking, correct me if I'm wrong though.
Nah, he fought JLA after that. When Guy killed him, he came back more powerful than before in Resurrection Man and took on entire JLA. He fought Hal in Battle of Bludhaven and was kicking his ass.

I think his energy attacks would eventually put Namor down in addition to keeping Namor at bay. Also, if nothing else..come on, his name is Major Force. That is just an awesome name.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, he fought JLA after that. When Guy killed him, he came back more powerful than before in Resurrection Man and took on entire JLA. He fought Hal in Battle of Bludhaven and was kicking his ass.

Originally posted by Surtur
I think his energy attacks would eventually put Namor down in addition to keeping Namor at bay. Also, if nothing else..come on, his name is Major Force. That is just an awesome name.

Namor absorbs energy attacks though. I wondr if he gets his trident in this fight too

After the fight there will be more sushi in the refrigerator.

Originally posted by Genii96
Namor absorbs energy attacks though. I wondr if he gets his trident in this fight too All you need to beat Namor is a microwave oven.

Lol haha,that's actually been tried before,didn't quite work out well for the guy who did it.

Originally posted by Genii96
Namor absorbs energy attacks though. I wondr if he gets his trident in this fight too

I thought he only absorbed electrical attacks, you are saying he can absorb a broader spectrum of various energies?

Originally posted by Genii96
Lol haha,that's actually been tried before,didn't quite work out well for the guy who did it. Didn't know that. But I do know that a single Nimrod took down Namor using ambient energy with ease.

Originally posted by Surtur
I thought he only absorbed electrical attacks, you are saying he can absorb a broader spectrum of various energies?

You'd have to go old school...

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9879/namorfeat241uq.gif

Originally posted by abhilegend
He has fought entire JLA at once. Beat the shit out of both Hal and Kyle on different occasions. He has plenty of feats.

So has Mongul. Much like Major Force, Mongul has a collection of feats that suggest he's a badass threat, like holding his own with Superman and Kyle at the same time.

But in the end, he's a big jobber who can't beat anyone.

Namor, he ranges from overrated to underrated depending on forum, but at least he's put together a respectible number of showings and wins over the years, against the likes of Hulk, Iron Man, Thing...

^ so phucking what?

Those jokes would get absolutely ruined by Kyle, Superman or the JLA.

You need to be a special kind of retarded to argue that feats dont matter because the villains dont ultimately win.

Originally posted by krisblaze
^ so phucking what?

Those jokes would get absolutely ruined by Kyle, Superman or the JLA.

You need to be a special kind of retarded to argue that feats dont matter because the villains dont ultimately win.

Throw in Thor and Gladiator, and you win the argument.

Lol at those characters being jokes.

Originally posted by Surtur
I thought he only absorbed electrical attacks, you are saying he can absorb a broader spectrum of various energies?

Yup,he absorbs energy,he once absorbd iron man's plasma beam and blastd him with it too. Lighteningg is just easier for him.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Didn't know that. But I do know that a single Nimrod took down Namor using ambient energy with ease.

U make it seem like he fought only one nimrod when he fought groups of them and stomped them,and it took him down by manipulating the ambient humidity,in other words removing water molecules from around him and rapidly dehydrating him,namor is heavily resistant to heat.

Originally posted by krisblaze
^ so phucking what?

Those jokes would get absolutely ruined by Kyle, Superman or the JLA.

You need to be a special kind of retarded to argue that feats dont matter because the villains dont ultimately win.

Ur joking if u call those guys jokes,I guess hercules is a joke too right?

He doesn't care for Hulk. Ironman is a beast and Thing is alright.

Originally posted by Genii96




U make it seem like he fought only one nimrod when he fought groups of them and stomped them,and it took him down by manipulating the ambient humidity,in other words removing water molecules from around him and rapidly dehydrating him,namor is heavily resistant to heat.

He did fight multiple Nimrods. But one easily beat him.

Seriously though, I don't know why Namor's so downplayed. It's not like he's the first or only heavy hitter to lose to Panther (Iron Man and Mephisto say hi.)

The man's Wonder Man/Savage Hulk/Herc "On a bad day" tier, imo.

Or is anyone going to argue Major Force, for all his showings, beats an A lister one on one? Does he beat Superman, or even Wonder Woman, even of it's a good struggle?

Originally posted by cdtm
Seriously though, I don't know why Namor's so downplayed. It's not like he's the first or only heavy hitter to lose to Panther (Iron Man and Mephisto say hi.)

The man's Wonder Man/Savage Hulk/Herc "On a bad day" tier, imo.

Or is anyone going to argue Major Force, for all his showings, beats an A lister one on one? Does he beat Superman, or even Wonder Woman, even of it's a good struggle?
On a bad day? On a bad day, Spider man stalemates namor and has done it five times.

Hasn't Wolverine kicked his @ss?

Originally posted by abhilegend
On a bad day? On a bad day, Spider man stalemates namor and has done it five times. Yea, but he's Spider-Man.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Hasn't Wolverine kicked his @ss?
When was this?

Surely it's not that time Wolverine sucker attacked him then wound up with his internal organs pounded into goo.

Namor isn't a lightweight, I know more about him than most here. But Force is at least as strong as him and has some devastating energy attacks. He is easily more durable and not going to tire. It's his fight to lose.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
He did fight multiple Nimrods. But one easily beat him.

By using his weakness against him,physically they got nowhere,superman would fare no different against a nimrod that radiates red sun radiation or kryptonite energies now would he?,does that make him weak?

Originally posted by cdtm
Seriously though, I don't know why Namor's so downplayed. It's not like he's the first or only heavy hitter to lose to Panther (Iron Man and Mephisto say hi.)

The man's Wonder Man/Savage Hulk/Herc "On a bad day" tier, imo.

Or is anyone going to argue Major Force, for all his showings, beats an A lister one on one? Does he beat Superman, or even Wonder Woman, even of it's a good struggle?
When has namor lost to bp in a fight?.

Obviously Iron Man, Hulk and The Thing are not jokes when compared to say Spider-Man or a regular human being.

Compared to the league however..

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Didn't know that. But I do know that a single Nimrod took down Namor using ambient energy with ease.

Metallo would rip the Hulk apart, amirite?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Obviously Iron Man, Hulk and The Thing are not jokes when compared to say Spider-Man or a regular human being.

Compared to the league however..

Didn't it take 3 of the strongest leaguers just to move a moon? Unless am mistaken

Originally posted by Genii96
Didn't it take 3 of the strongest leaguers just to move a moon? Unless am mistaken
Superman, MM and WW moved earth.

Superman moved the moon but needed a GL harness so that the moon wouldn't break iirc.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Superman, MM and WW moved earth.

Not really.

Originally posted by krisblaze

Superman moved the moon but needed a GL harness so that the moon wouldn't break iirc.

That was earth that Supes and Hal moved.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not really.
uhm, yes really.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That was earth that Supes and Hal moved.
Okay.

Better feat then.

Originally posted by krisblaze
uhm, yes really.

Okay.

Better feat then.
The first one was a failure. Maybe they slowed down the spiraling out of control.. Maybe. But it was saved by Kyle.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The first one was a failure. Maybe they slowed down the spiraling out of control.. Maybe. But it was saved by Kyle.
They succeeded in moving it.

Originally posted by krisblaze
^ so phucking what?

Those jokes would get absolutely ruined by Kyle, Superman or the JLA.

You need to be a special kind of retarded to argue that feats dont matter because the villains dont ultimately win.
The old KrisBlaze is back!

Bring back your classic Larfleeze set, bruh.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The old KrisBlaze is back!

Bring back your classic Larfleeze set, bruh.
No! I'm trying to stay happy!

Life is happy!

Originally posted by krisblaze
They succeeded in moving it.
They as in Kyle.

The three "were losing it" as per Supes.
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
They as in Kyle.

The three "were losing it" as per Supes.
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Yes, but they moved it.

They might not have succeeded in whatever arbitrary distance they needed to complete their mission.

But they managed to move it, that was the point.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yes, but they moved it.

They might not have succeeded in whatever arbitrary distance they needed to complete their mission.

But they managed to move it, that was the point.
That's the thing. The book didn't have anything on panel about them moving it. They were trying, but failing. That's why I emphasized maybe slowed it from spiraling out of control faster.

The only time we saw the earth move back was in the Kyle scene.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That's the thing. The book didn't have anything on panel about them moving it. They were trying, but failing. That's why I emphasized maybe slowed it from spiraling out of control faster.

The only time we saw the earth move back was in the Kyle scene.

I'll have to reread it

They moved it as the planet was already spiraling out of orbit but they couldn't keep it in orbit as they were weakened due to getting killed and resurrected and earth was in disbalance as every drop of water was sent into space.

That's why they needed Wally to absorb the kinetic energy they were generating to move the earth so that it doesn't rips apart by the pressure. What was the point of him absorbing the kinetic energy if they couldn't move the earth in the first place?

On topic I can't see Namor dominating Hal like this.

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^I could see Namor doing something similar, but to a very low-performing Hal.

Hal's a notorious underachiever at times, but like you say, all of Major Force's battles paint a picture of someone who's above Namor by a slight/moderate margin.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They moved it as the planet was already spiraling out of orbit but they couldn't keep it in orbit as they were weakened due to getting killed and resurrected and earth was in disbalance as every drop of water was sent into space.

That's why they needed Wally to absorb the kinetic energy they were generating to move the earth so that it doesn't rips apart by the pressure. What was the point of him absorbing the kinetic energy if they couldn't move the earth in the first place?
Not sure what you're trying to say in your first paragraph because it's all over the place. They may have not been 100 percent, but the three looked fine. At least we know Supes was as seen in a panel where he said the sun was strong that day.

Just because Wally was absorbing kinetic energy from the stress they were applying, doesn't mean they moved it. That's why I said maybe slowed its spiraling away from orbit. The only scene with any indication about the earth being moved was the one with Kyle.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not sure what you're trying to say in your first paragraph because it's all over the place. They may have not been 100 percent, but the three looked fine. At least we know Supes was as scene in a panel where he said the sun was strong that day.

Just because Wally was absorbing kinetic energy from the stress they were applying, doesn't mean they moved it. That's why I said maybe slowed its spiraling away from orbit. The only scene with any indication about the earth being moved was the one with Kyle.
I don't see why they would need Flash to absorb kinetic energy if they're not moving it, but this feat really shouldn't be that big of a deal in this thread.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I don't see why they would need Flash to absorb kinetic energy if they're not moving it, but this feat really shouldn't be that big of a deal in this thread.
It was already moving because of the water loss.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not sure what you're trying to say in your first paragraph because it's all over the place. They may have not been 100 percent, but the three looked fine. At least we know Supes was as seen in a panel where he said the sun was strong that day.

Just because Wally was absorbing kinetic energy from the stress they were applying, doesn't mean they moved it. That's why I said maybe slowed its spiraling away from orbit. The only scene with any indication about the earth being moved was the one with Kyle.
Genmanae directly said that they were weaker and will not get strong enough in time. Unless you try to take it as Kyle being above Superman, j'onn and Diana combined, which would be total BS.

That doesn't makes any sense whatsoever. If they didn't move it, why would there be any stress on the surface of the planet? Why would they say that they were failing to keep it in orbit when it was already moved out of orbit due to the water displacement? You have to go all negative to say that they didn't move the planet, just slowing it down. That wasn't said anywhere either FYI. All it said that they were failing to keep it in orbit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Genmanae directly said that they were weaker and will not get strong enough in time. Unless you try to take it as Kyle being above Superman, j'onn and Diana combined, which would be total BS.

That doesn't makes any sense whatsoever. If they didn't move it, why would there be any stress on the surface of the planet? Why would they say that they were failing to keep it in orbit when it was already moved out of orbit due to the water displacement? You have to go all negative to say that they didn't move the planet, just slowing it down. That wasn't said anywhere either FYI. All it said that they were failing to keep it in orbit.
Always thought it as a wacky feat for Kyle.. And partly Manitou.

Gamemnae's comment was in regards to them being a threat to him. They were also just resurrected at that point. Etrigan and the purple chick gave them some time to recover however. We also see a scene a few pages later where the gang is chilling and Supes stating he needed just a few minutes more to recover.. The sun being strong that day or whatever..

It must already been moving hence the need for them to pull it back. I think the scene where Supes says it's back in control before the part he said "we were losing it" meant it's back in orbit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Unless you try to take it as Kyle being above Superman, j'onn and Diana combined That's exactly how everyone should view it.

Originally posted by Mindset
That's exactly how everyone should view it.
Bueno

Originally posted by Genii96
Didn't it take 3 of the strongest leaguers just to move a moon? Unless am mistaken Didn't Superman move the Earth with Hal using more than 100 Earth weights of force combined?

Originally posted by h1a8
Didn't Superman move the Earth with Hal using more than 100 Earth weights of force combined?
Superman and Hal. Don't know about your calcs though. I know it "weighed more"(or had more mass)than the one that involves these 3 since it didn't lose water.

Can we all agree that Flash was the main player there? He fulfilled his part of the plan. Not his fault his team is made up of losers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Can we all agree that Flash was the main player there? He fulfilled his part of the plan. Not his fault his team is made up of losers.
At least those "losers" don't hit themselves in the face.

Originally posted by abhilegend
On topic I can't see Namor dominating Hal like this.

http://imgur.com/2mAD6fN
http://imgur.com/znM39uC
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http://imgur.com/lKYoaSS
http://imgur.com/wqTEzz1
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http://imgur.com/grr8pZ8
http://imgur.com/IYurlcS
http://imgur.com/Wt3cEEp
http://imgur.com/cz6NYSb
http://imgur.com/yPgtqBS

Nice showing.

I could see Namor doing about as well, though. Like Kris said, Hal can job. Wonder Woman being one example (She treated his constructs like tinfoil. And under Johns.)




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Originally posted by abhilegend
On topic I can't see Namor dominating Hal like this.

http://imgur.com/2mAD6fN
http://imgur.com/znM39uC
http://imgur.com/o0kmUnm
http://imgur.com/lKYoaSS
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http://imgur.com/7nOl2uJ
http://imgur.com/grr8pZ8
http://imgur.com/IYurlcS
http://imgur.com/Wt3cEEp
http://imgur.com/cz6NYSb
http://imgur.com/yPgtqBS

Am I the only one who don't see what you're seeing?

That is Major Force dominating Hal at all?

Unless 3 to 4 of the last panels where hal is pummeling MJ without so much a fightback is dominating.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Always thought it as a wacky feat for Kyle.. And partly Manitou.

Gamemnae's comment was in regards to them being a threat to him. They were also just resurrected at that point. Etrigan and the purple chick gave them some time to recover however. We also see a scene a few pages later where the gang is chilling and Supes stating he needed just a few minutes more to recover.. The sun being strong that day or whatever..

It must already been moving hence the need for them to pull it back. I think the scene where Supes says it's back in control before the part he said "we were losing it" meant it's back in orbit.
What you think is irrelevant. The same writer had Superman overpower Kyle's unleashed ID amped by ion power quite convincingly while he was going all out. Now all of a sudden he was more powerful than all three of them combined? BS.

Haha, no. It was specifically about strength.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018628/jla_75_-_kebbin_30.jpg.html

And few more minutes, which he didn't got. We have already gone over this and you are just pulling assumptions out of your behind just like then. Prove that he was at full power then, I'll wait.

He said "it's back in control but we were losing it". That would only make sense if they had moved it back but couldn't keep in orbit. Otherwise they never had it in control. And "losing it" doesn't mean they didn't move it. Where is the proof that didn't move the earth in orbit celey?

Originally posted by cdtm
Nice showing.

I could see Namor doing about as well, though. Like Kris said, Hal can job. Wonder Woman being one example (She treated his constructs like tinfoil. And under Johns.)




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DCnU Wonder woman is above namor by quite a bit. Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Am I the only one who don't see what you're seeing?

That is Major Force dominating Hal at all?

Unless 3 to 4 of the last panels where hal is pummeling MJ without so much a fightback is dominating.
What? Hal attacked force from behind after he bitchslapped him for quite some time and had him on his knees before that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
DCnU Wonder woman is above namor by quite a bit.
What? Hal attacked force from behind after he bitchslapped him for quite some time and had him on his knees before that.

On the ropes? You mean after he dropped that car which Hal promptly shrugged off?

Its a good showing of MF's strength (breaking out of the constructs) and durability, not to take that away from him but dominating? Hell no. Thats hardly Hal's best either.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
On the ropes? You mean after he dropped that car which Hal promptly shrugged off?

Its a good showing of MF's strength (breaking out of the constructs) and durability, not to take that away from him but dominating? Hell no. Thats hardly Hal's best either.
Hal didn't shrug that off. He was already on his knees. And after that Force punched him down to the point Major Victory had to intervene after which he ripped his arm off while Hal was still down.

Yeah, it's dominating all right.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What you think is irrelevant. The same writer had Superman overpower Kyle's unleashed ID amped by ion power quite convincingly while he was going all out. Now all of a sudden he was more powerful than all three of them combined? BS.

Haha, no. It was specifically about strength.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018628/jla_75_-_kebbin_30.jpg.html

And few more minutes, which he didn't got. We have already gone over this and you are just pulling assumptions out of your behind just like then. Prove that he was at full power then, I'll wait.

He said "it's back in control but we were losing it". That would only make sense if they had moved it back but couldn't keep in orbit. Otherwise they never had it in control. And "losing it" doesn't mean they didn't move it. Where is the proof that didn't move the earth in orbit celey?
Sure why not. High end feat.

Sure he did. He and the others most probably received minutes of rest since we see Supes say "just a few MORE minutes"... Which also implies he needed a few minutes more to at least get close to what is considered to be restored. And we know Etri and the purple chick bought them extra time after Supe's statement. Them being weakened to describe their physical state before the pulling attempt doesn't really fly here.

The back under control statement implies that it was stable... Back in proper orbit... I don't think they ever had it in control before that. Like I said, maybe they slowed its falling out of orbit. Maybe they were going to pull it back. But in the end Kyle and Manitou Raven didn't give them that chance.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Sure why not. High end feat.

Sure he did. He and the others most probably received minutes of rest since we see Supes say "just a few MORE minutes"... Which also implies he needed a few minutes more to at least get close to what is considered to be restored. And we know Etri and the purple chick bought them extra time after Supe's statement. Them being weakened to describe their physical state before the pulling attempt doesn't really fly here.

The back under control statement implies that it was stable... Back in proper orbit... I don't think they ever had it in control before that. Like I said, maybe they slowed its falling out of orbit. Maybe they were going to pull it back. But in the end Kyle and Manitou Raven didn't give them that chance.
That's not an answer. That's just you shrugging the actual explanation given in the comic off. Kyle is in no way or form that powerful under Joe Kelly.

Just a few more minutes, which he didn't get as they were immediately trying to pull the earth back. Bottom line is they were not at full power as explained in the comic itself. Of course it does. And Superman never said he will get back at fill power in a few minutes either. Another assumption.

Yeah, nobody gives a shit about what you think. Give a proof. Maybe wouldn't fly here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not an answer. That's just you shrugging the actual explanation given in the comic off. Kyle is in no way or form that powerful under Joe Kelly.

Just a few more minutes, which he didn't get as they were immediately trying to pull the earth back. Bottom line is they were not at full power as explained in the comic itself. Of course it does. And Superman never said he will get back at fill power in a few minutes either. Another assumption.

Yeah, nobody gives a shit about what you think. Give a proof. Maybe wouldn't fly here.
Wait what did you think Kyle did there?

They didn't immediately start pulling the earth. Bottom line is they weren't weakened in the same sense you are teying to portray. Also I never said full power. What is FULL power anyway? Supes waking up after an afternoon nap in the beach. lol...

You keep bringing up the word proof. Where on panel does it state that they pulled the planet back in orbit?

Dat Kyle.


And the Jokerized Kyle was only a construct of his.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait what did you think Kyle did there?

They didn't immediately start pulling the earth. Bottom line is they weren't weakened in the same sense you are teying to portray. Also I never said full power. What is FULL power anyway? Supes waking up after an afternoon nap in the beach. lol...

You keep bringing up the word proof. Where on panel does it state that they pulled the planet back in orbit?
What do you mean?

They were stated to be weakened and there was no indication that they were back to full strength. Diana even asks "will we be strong enough to do that?" I'm still waiting for the proof that they were at full power.

They were pulling the earth back in as Wally had to absorb the pressure it put on the planet. They couldn't hold it there though. When Monitou Raven sacrificed his life to bring the water back and brought Kyle back to life, it was restored. You are saying that they were just putting all their efforts to nothing? Got any proof?

Originally posted by "Id"
Dat Kyle.


And the Jokerized Kyle was only a construct of his.
It was his repressed ID just like Oblivion was. We know how powerful they can be.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What do you mean?

They were stated to be weakened and there was no indication that they were back to full strength. Diana even asks "will we be strong enough to do that?" I'm still waiting for the proof that they were at full power.

They were pulling the earth back in as Wally had to absorb the pressure it put on the planet. They couldn't hold it there though. When Monitou Raven sacrificed his life to bring the water back and brought Kyle back to life, it was restored. You are saying that they were just putting all their efforts to nothing? Got any proof?
U know wut I mean.

Again with this FULL strength. They were given time to recover.

They just decided to pull a planet. Why else would she ask that question?

Provide proof they pulled it back in proper orbit. Burden is on you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hal didn't shrug that off. He was already on his knees. And after that Force punched him down to the point Major Victory had to intervene after which he ripped his arm off while Hal was still down.

Yeah, it's dominating all right.

He shrugged it off. Its as plain as day.

No indication of pain or damage whatsoever and he launched an attack almost as soon as he got buried in the debris.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
U know wut I mean.

Again with this FULL strength. They were given time to recover.

They just decided to pull a planet. Why else would she ask that question?

Provide proof they pulled it back in proper orbit. Burden is on you.
No, I don't. I don't think you do either.

And no indication that they were back to full strength considering Diana questions their strength just before that page.

Because they knew that they weren't at full strength.

You are the one disputing it as the comic shows them moving it. They were losing it after that.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
He shrugged it off. Its as plain as day.

No indication of pain or damage whatsoever and he launched an attack almost as soon as he got buried in the debris.
Agree to disagree at this point.

Originally posted by h1a8
Didn't Superman move the Earth with Hal using more than 100 Earth weights of force combined?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Superman and Hal. Don't know about your calcs though. I know it "weighed more"(or had more mass)than the one that involves these 3 since it didn't lose water.

They were towing Earth against Starbreaker sending it to the Sun. I though only saw it as Hal providing the construct for Superman to tow Earth. He was dealing enough with keeping it together between Starbreaker and Superman essentially playing tug-of-war with it.

Originally posted by Delta1938
They were towing Earth against Starbreaker sending it to the Sun. I though only saw it as Hal providing the construct for Superman to tow Earth. He was dealing enough with keeping it together between Starbreaker and Superman essentially playing tug-of-war with it.
Sometimes you have to take off those Superman glasses so you can see feats objectively.
Kidding aside...

Hal - "YOU AND I are the only two strong enough to do it"
Hal - "WE'VE got to pull the planet back into place"
Clark - "Just ADD YOUR POWER to mine Hal, and LET'S do this crazy thing"

With statements like these , it would be crazy to not view that feat as shared when it came to providing the force.

http://file.instiz.net/data/file/20130709/b/0/8/b08b076627af62533ad26e107e0ef027

ffs

Take your thor vs superman shit to another thread.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Superman, MM and WW moved earth.

Superman moved the moon but needed a GL harness so that the moon wouldn't break iirc.
Thor and hercules generated enough kinetic energy to knock the earth out of orbit by arm wrestling,each of them have lifted earth sized objects before,hercules the earth itself as part of his labour,thor the midgard serpant that was the size of the earth. Hulk has shown to be physically superior to thor in brute strength department. How u can call them jokes,is beyond me

OT, namor has tanked nukes to the face,organic unfriendly portals among others,he has shown to shrug off hits from heavy hitters such as hercules,thor,savage hulk and even sentry,recently he withstood a blackbolt scream and recovered in a aanel,t'challa said this was due to his unique genetic makeup,so hw hard does major force hit? On an average day that is

Originally posted by Genii96
Thor and hercules generated enough kinetic energy to knock the earth out of orbit by arm wrestling,each of them have lifted earth sized objects before,hercules the earth itself as part of his labour,thor the midgard serpant that was the size of the earth. Hulk has shown to be physically superior to thor in brute strength department. How u can call them jokes,is beyond me
I don't need a recap of Thor's feats. I'm the one who posted them 7 years ago.

It's very, very rare that Hulk reaches Thor's level in pure physicality.
That's more or less the only category where Hulk can compete.

A guy who's more or less as strong as Thor wouldn't be able to do much against the league.

This is irrelevant because Namor fought a weaker Hulk under completely different circumstances.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Sometimes you have to take off those Superman glasses so you can see feats objectively.
Kidding aside...

Hal - "YOU AND I are the only two strong enough to do it"
Hal - "WE'VE got to pull the planet back into place"
Clark - "Just ADD YOUR POWER to mine Hal, and LET'S do this crazy thing"

With statements like these , it would be crazy to not view that feat as shared when it came to providing the force.

http://file.instiz.net/data/file/20130709/b/0/8/b08b076627af62533ad26e107e0ef027
You are acting like Superman and Hal had to just move the earth. They had to transport it against the entire power of starbreaker.


Originally posted by abhilegend
And that "50 earth weight"? Its again a conservative estimate at best.

Look what Starbreaker says in this scan.

http://i.imgur.com/ZNcrgNS.jpg

"The power of countless red suns flows through my veins."

And that's not a hyperbole as we know he is an evolved sun-eater and has actually consumed the energy of suns.

http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view&current=star_trueform1.jpg
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view&current=star_trueform2.jpg
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view&current=star_trueform3.jpg

That was just two issues later.

And yet, Superman and Hal stalemating him completely depowered him.

http://i.imgur.com/rHhvcUB.jpg

So if we take "countless" as even two suns, that's way more power than what h1 is using. I know its ludicrous, but facts are facts.

srug

That's so far above a planetary feat, it's not even funny.

Yeah so that Jokerized Kyle was a construct of Kyle. You can only push the Superman feat so much, before it placed on a pedestal.

Originally posted by "Id"
Yeah so that Jokerized Kyle was a construct of Kyle. You can only push the Superman feat so much, before it placed on a pedestal.
Who said it wasn't a construct? It was channeling all his power though, that's pretty explicitly stated in the comic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are acting like Superman and Hal had to just move the earth. They had to transport it against the entire power of starbreaker.


That's so far above a planetary feat, it's not even funny.
Wait what? I'm acting like Superman and Hal just had to move the earth? Please explain this.

I'm merely stating it's a shared feat. Delta believed it was all Supes. I recall you had the same blind stance in the past.

For you to create an elaborate explanation of what you thought about the feat was not needed here. Then again we all know why you did it.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait what? I'm acting like Superman and Hal just had to move the earth? Please explain this.

I'm merely stating it's a shared feat. Delta believed it was all Supes. I recall you had the same blind stance in the past.

For you to create an elaborate explanation of what you thought about the feat was not needed here. Then again we all know why you did it.
Then what is the purpose of that post or all this nonsense? You have a point with all this shit?

And somebody has to correct you after all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then what is the purpose of that post or all this nonsense? You have a point with all this shit?

And somebody has to correct you after all.
facepalm

Please read carefully before you do it to yourself again.

I don't know what in the hell you are babbling about.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalm

Please read carefully before you do it to yourself again.

I don't know what in the hell you are babbling about.
I just want to know what you are trying to prove here. It's pretty clear that you don't have any idea of what you are trying to do.

So, what are you doing in this thread?

Celey just explained that his purpose was correcting the fact that it was only Superman feat when in reality it was a shared Superman and Hal Jordan feat.....

He said it like 3 times already.

/drops mic

Whaddya know? Rage is white knighting celey. Who saw it coming?

And I was talking about his total posts in this thread where all he us doing is "Nuh, I don't think this feat counts. **** comics."

Originally posted by abhilegend
Whaddya know? Rage is white knighting celey. Who saw it coming?

And I was talking about his total posts in this thread where all he us doing is "Nuh, I don't think this feat counts. **** comics."
Celey is a guy tho.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Celey is a guy tho. Yeah I don't think abhi realizes that Celey is expected to have a penis and maybe one or two balls

Originally posted by abhilegend
Whaddya know? Rage is white knighting celey. Who saw it coming?

And I was talking about his total posts in this thread where all he us doing is "Nuh, I don't think this feat counts. **** comics."
Rage is ghey.

Hey don't blame me. I was just here enjoying a thread or two, when all of a sudden I see crimes being committed. Just doing my part..

Can't always have the inmates running the insane asylum

You wouldn't notice by the way he acts though.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Rage is ghey.

Hey don't blame me. I was just here enjoying a thread or two, when all of a sudden I see crimes being committed. Just doing my part..

Can't always have the inmates running the insane asylum
Agree on the first part.

And here I thought you had a celey sense to know and ***** about anytime a superman feat is shown. I mean I don't see you doing it for any other character.

mmm

Originally posted by krisblaze
I don't need a recap of Thor's feats. I'm the one who posted them 7 years ago.

It's very, very rare that Hulk reaches Thor's level in pure physicality.
That's more or less the only category where Hulk can compete.

A guy who's more or less as strong as Thor wouldn't be able to do much against the league.

This is irrelevant because Namor fought a weaker Hulk under completely different circumstances.

Hulk has always physically competed with thor,and hercules. Overpoering him several times,I am pretty sure he has a better win-loss record against hulk than other way round

Anyone who can compete physically with those two can compete with the league.

Pretty sure it was savage hulk namor did that against,and pretty sure namor has an impressive record against hercules as well.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait what? I'm acting like Superman and Hal just had to move the earth? Please explain this.

I'm merely stating it's a shared feat. Delta believed it was all Supes. I recall you had the same blind stance in the past.

For you to create an elaborate explanation of what you thought about the feat was not needed here. Then again we all know why you did it. You guys forget everything I teach you. Assuming it was a shared feat then Superman still exerted more than 50 Earth weights of force. So shared or not shared is irrelevant to what REALLY MATTERS.

Let me state something important. High end feats against nature doesn't mean that's the level a character is always operating at in comics. So if Hercules has a million ton feat and Namor goes toe to toe with him doesn't mean that Namor can exert millions of tons too. There are plenty of examples where a far weaker being actually damage or significantly affect and withstand a hit from, without being koed, a much stronger being.

If no quantifiable indicators of strength levels are given when two characters are shown fighting then we assume Average strength. Hercules average strength is somewhere between 1000-5,000 tons.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Sometimes you have to take off those Superman glasses so you can see feats objectively.
Kidding aside...

Hal - "YOU AND I are the only two strong enough to do it"
Hal - "WE'VE got to pull the planet back into place"
Clark - "Just ADD YOUR POWER to mine Hal, and LET'S do this crazy thing"

With statements like these , it would be crazy to not view that feat as shared when it came to providing the force.

http://file.instiz.net/data/file/20130709/b/0/8/b08b076627af62533ad26e107e0ef027

Yet, Hal was struggling to keep his construct together.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Starbreaker_TugOfWar/JLofA_V2_29-PG15.jpg

So you're trying to argue that not only did Hal produce a construct that was being used to play Tug-Of-War of Earth between Superman and Starbreaker, but directly adding to moving Earth against Starbreaker despite having such trouble keeping the construct together? I highly doubt it.

Not sure why you Thorbags have such a need to demean Superman feats. After all, I'd think by now you guys would be used to the Silver medal.

(thinks of Hulk) Oops I meant Bronze.

(thinks of Sentry) Wait, 4th place.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Yet, Hal was struggling to keep his construct together.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Starbreaker_TugOfWar/JLofA_V2_29-PG15.jpg

So you're trying to argue that not only did Hal produce a construct that was being used to play Tug-Of-War of Earth between Superman and Starbreaker, but directly adding to moving Earth against Starbreaker despite having such trouble keeping the construct together? I highly doubt it.

Not sure why you Thorbags have such a need to demean Superman feats. After all, I'd think by now you guys would be used to the Silver medal.

(thinks of Hulk) Oops I meant Bronze.

(thinks of Sentry) Wait, 4th place.
Stupidest thing i've seen all day.
We already see on panel that Hal was going to pull along with Superman. Hell he even stated it.

facepalm

Blinders for the loss.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Stupidest thing i've seen all day.
We already see on panel that Hal was going to pull along with Superman. Hell he even stated it.

facepalm

Blinders for the loss.

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/624812/993926.jpg

Now I understand why you ironically accuse others of blinders.

Originally posted by Delta1938
http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/624812/993926.jpg

Now I understand why you ironically accuse others of blinders.
Read your reply and tell me with a straight face you actually believe what you wrote... Even though it goes directly against what was shown in panel..

I wasn't demeaning a Superman feat. I was merely correcting a guy that almost always misinterprets a feat whether on purpose or by accident. Smh..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Read your reply and tell me with a straight face you actually believe what you wrote... Even though it goes directly against what was shown in panel..

I wasn't demeaning a Superman feat. I was merely correcting a guy that almost always misinterprets a feat whether on purpose or by accident. Smh..

"Smh." Thanks for proving me right about you. Continue whatever helps ya get by.

Originally posted by Delta1938
"Smh." Thanks for proving me right about you. Continue whatever helps ya get by.
I take it that you have no actual answer.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I take it that you have no actual answer.

Actually I did, but in a nice way. Instead of what I think about the whole "smh" thing.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Actually I did, but in a nice way. Instead of what I think about the whole "smh" thing.
Remember this?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Yet, Hal was struggling to keep his construct together.

So you're trying to argue that not only did Hal produce a construct that was being used to play Tug-Of-War of Earth between Superman and Starbreaker, but directly adding to moving Earth against Starbreaker despite having such trouble keeping the construct together? I highly doubt it.

Not sure why you Thorbags have such a need to demean Superman feats. After all, I'd think by now you guys would be used to the Silver medal.

(thinks of Hulk) Oops I meant Bronze.

(thinks of Sentry) Wait, 4th place.
So you absolutely believe without a shadow of a doubt, that ONLY Supes supplied the pulling power and Hal ONLY provided the construct?

http://i59.tinypic.com/14ww3g4.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/2z5pro9.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/2uh93sg.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Remember this?


So you absolutely believe without a shadow of a doubt, that ONLY Supes supplied the pulling power and Hal ONLY provided the construct?

Bit of a red herring, and you're arguing that Hal was both moving and keeping together a construct he could barely hold together, instead of, ya know, keeping it together.

why is this a Superman pulling Earth thread now?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
why is this a Superman pulling Earth thread now?

'Cuz your mother told us to make it one.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
why is this a Superman pulling Earth thread now?

Originally posted by Delta1938
'Cuz your mother told us to make it one.

That's just how popular Namor and Major Force are, I guess.

Instead of derailing it by putting Superman against Namor or Major Force against Hulk or Wolverine or something per the norm, both guys get run out of their own thread.

Not in the mood for this shit

Originally posted by cdtm
That's just how popular Namor and Major Force are, I guess.

Instead of derailing it by putting Superman against Namor or Major Force against Hulk or Wolverine or something per the norm, both guys get run out of their own thread.

lol

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Not in the mood for this shit

Basically, a while back I popped in and replied to someone on the feat(don't remember why it got brought up) then went inactive for personal reasons, and when I came back, I replied to Celey's reply to me.

Try and have a better day dude.

Nothing's wrong with me, you were just being a little prick

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Not in the mood for this shit

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Nothing's wrong with me, you were just being a little prick

Your mom doesn't think so little.

It's impossible for Hal to both pull and keep his construct working at the same time.

"Give me everything your power ring has left, GL -- and let's finish this!"

"You see Superman that would be impossible because it has been decreed that if my construct is starting to wilt, I cannot move it in any sort of direction while keeping it together. Do you think this is called the most powerful object in the universe or something Superman?"

It's a Goddamned shared feat. Jesus Christ. It's blatantly stated both are doing their share of work. There's nothing to the contrary there only made up excuses to try and paint Superman more impressive.

Here's a hint to avoid confrontation in the future:
Superman and Hal were pulling a planet while Starbreaker was trying to push it. Starbreaker is strong therefore feat is good.

Or is that too degrading?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It's impossible for Hal to both pull and keep his construct working at the same time.

"Give me everything your power ring has left, GL -- and let's finish this!"

"You see Superman that would be impossible because it has been decreed that if my construct is starting to wilt, I cannot move it in any sort of direction while keeping it together. Do you think this is called the most powerful object in the universe or something Superman?"

It's a Goddamned shared feat. Jesus Christ. It's blatantly stated both are doing their share of work. There's nothing to the contrary there only made up excuses to try and paint Superman more impressive.

Here's a hint to avoid confrontation in the future:
Superman and Hal were pulling a planet while Starbreaker was trying to push it. Starbreaker is strong therefore feat is good.

Or is that too degrading?

Hal has struggled against less just keeping a construct together, and he's doing both? Sure.

And you say "here's a hint" like I'm supposed to give a **** about people disagreeing with me or not.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Hal has struggled against less just keeping a construct together, and he's doing both? Sure.

And you say "here's a hint" like I'm supposed to give a **** about people disagreeing with me or not. Good for him. No one denied it was a high end feat. Just because he has lesser feats doesn't take away from that one.
Superman has lesser feats too. No reason to bring those up in context of that feat. It's a good feat and it should be left at that.

You're wrong though. It's not disagreeing. You are outright wrong and nothing in the comic supports your stance.

I would hope you cared about being wrong.

You can't just apply fanfic headcanon to try and take away a character's involvement.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Good for him. No one denied it was a high end feat. Just because he has lesser feats doesn't take away from that one.
Superman has lesser feats too. No reason to bring those up in context of that feat. It's a good feat and it should be left at that.

You're wrong though. It's not disagreeing. You are outright wrong and nothing in the comic supports your stance.

I would hope you cared about being wrong.

So Hal is barely keeping continents apart and just that, but is keeping the construct barely in tact and moving Earth.

I only care about why you're not in the kitchen where you belong.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So Hal is barely keeping continents apart and just that, but is keeping the construct barely in tact and moving Earth.

I only care about why you're not in the kitchen where you belong. If that's how you can only see it then yes. Try and make the feat look as dumb as you can and the answer is still yes. Hal was even wearing a mask and moving Earth there.

I don't know why someone who is pmsing all over the thread is making women jokes. You should probably tend to your bloody pussy before you see more red.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If that's how you can only see it then yes. Try and make the feat look as dumb as you can and the answer is still yes. Hal was even wearing a mask and moving Earth there.

I don't know why someone who is pmsing all over the thread is making women jokes. You should probably tend to your bloody pussy before you see more red.

nah You proved to be that when you put in so much effort against Philio to say you put no effort into it. Only a woman would try that.

What. Not even sure what you're talking about.

And I don't think I've ever tried against Phildo either. I don't much get the relevance tbh, but this is exactly what pg was saying. It's a good thing people can handle Superman's feats being questioned (not even questioned) in a random thread.

You want to explain how manly having Carver's phone number and Xbox Live is though? You'd think you being the pmsing Carver late night talker you are would steer clear of calling people women. Maybe you can phone Carver later to let him make your pussy wet to ease your pain of the world.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Bit of a red herring, and you're arguing that Hal was both moving and keeping together a construct he could barely hold together, instead of, ya know, keeping it together.
It's really cut and dry. You are claiming Hal did not supply any power in helping Superman. I'm saying he did based on scans. Are you sure about your "red herring" claim here?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Hal has struggled against less just keeping a construct together, and he's doing both? Sure.

And you say "here's a hint" like I'm supposed to give a **** about people disagreeing with me or not.
There are high end feats, regular portrayals, and low end feats. Mind boggling how you are attributing Hal struggling against less as a reason to believe that no way in hell did he help Supes move the planet.

Thought you were a smart Superman fan? Come on bruh you better than this...

Namor has no chance

I peaked into thread because of the title- Major Force vs Namor.

However, I'm seeing Supes and GL pulling the Earth.

I'm confused.