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No prep.
No BFR.

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Iron Man stomps.

His arsenal is too much for Vader

Can't Vader just crush his windpipe under the suit?

^^^Force against Force Field?

Should be able to. Unless Stark's countermeasures against tk works on The Force.

Otoh, I thought some Extremis like upgrades gave him nanosecond reaction speeds now or something. Or at least, that's what everyone argues around the interwebs when Iron Fist vs Iron Man pops up.

Dont think anyone knows, looking around.
Or how the LS might do against the armor.

I dont know how strong Vader is supposed to be in the comics, but from what I've heard its actually a fairly close fight.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I dont know how strong Vader is supposed to be in the comics, but from what I've heard its actually a fairly close fight.

He's still collecting feats...

Force is hax, we really don't know how well it would work against Tony.

Depends if vader can restrain him with tk and/or his projectiles

If vader gets caught before that iron stomps.

Neat; thanks Stilt & Teth...

Ironman should be too versatile and powerful for new Vader, I think. Even immobilized or choking, he'll have weapons to use.

yeah, even as he's being choked he should be able to get off some aoe attack. overall tony is too powerful imo. if it were a single random encounter i could see vader possibly taking it. the saber could def cut through the armor and kill tony if he weren't aware of its properties, and the force choke could immobilize him long enough for that to happen, but but in general tony is just too versatile for vader. i'd think he'd be able to hack into vader's suit too, and eff him over that way. maybe even in that single random encounter i mentioned.

Quick-draw scenario, imo.

One successful attack from Tony can, at the very least, incapacitate Vader via frying his suit's circuitry. Flip side, one TK attack from Vader *should* be capable of crushing Tony within his own suit.

Gotta say I was expecting a landslide of comments saying vader wins, but I agree with it being a quickdraw scenario. Iron man does have the edge in that scenario as Tony usually opens with repulsors, which have been proven to be both very quick and VERY potent.

I wasnt sure what i was expecting, but its been pretty intetesting all told.

without prep, I see Vader winning this. With prep, Tony all day.

No idea as to how that would work.

Starting distance matters. Vader can use force choke from stupidly far distances.

And has done so through shielding and ship plating before.

As for repulsors....could he deflect them? Would the AI in Tony's suit then take over?

I'd give ridiculously long distance to each guy, calling it even (the quickdraw thats been mentioned).

Ship plating over armor?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And has done so through shielding and ship plating before.

As for repulsors....could he deflect them? Would the AI in Tony's suit then take over?

Deflect? Maybe.

Block? Definitely.

Even if saber fails to redirect energy attacks, it still absorbs them fine.

What if Tony uses a wide setting?

Never seen a lightsaber absorb a flamethrower..

Not a SW expert, has a LS absorbed repulsor ray level stuff?

Originally posted by cdtm
What if Tony uses a wide setting?

Never seen a lightsaber absorb a flamethrower..

He can deflect it. Theres a respect thread on comicvine/reddit if you want to see it.

Does anyone know if tonys armor provide protection from telepathy?

Tony's armor has countermeasures for just about everything now, from TP to magnetism..

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He can deflect it. Theres a respect thread on comicvine/reddit if you want to see it.

Does anyone know if tonys armor provide protection from telepathy?


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Originally posted by cdtm
Tony's armor has countermeasures for just about everything now, from TP to magnetism..
One thing i'm curious about is how things relate back & forth.
Has the LS dealt with repulsor level energy attacks, how's Vader telepathy rate against MU telepathy Tony's dealt with, things like that.

Well, if we could use EU legacy feats, then Luke used the force to manipulate virus's one by one out of Mon Mothma's body.. I'd imagine that's proof enough Vader could just tk destroy the nanites in this scan. (Even if they tased him, being Vader he could probably just power through and crush them all at once..)

Now? No idea.. They're nanites, so not even certain the suit would keep them out.

Your pic's not showing for me...

Anyhow, i'd rather stick to this comics version, as i dont want to break forum rules/have this moved to a forum no one ever goes to.

Originally posted by riv6672
Your pic's not showing for me...

Anyhow, i'd rather stick to this comics version, as i dont want to break forum rules/have this moved to a forum no one ever goes to.

It's on a googleplus account:

https://plus.google.com/103343800029075620245/posts/U1iRbw9Vg8h

Trying to download the image and reupload it to my photobucket, but the download keeps failing for some reason.

Maybe someone else can grab it?

Done & done; thanks!

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Interesting fight. My first thoughts were that Vader would probably take it via deflecting repulsors, force choke/crush, messing with Tony's mind, lightsaber attack etc. Also because in character Vader is more likely to stop messing around and go for the kill. Vader has pretty impressive stuff in recent SW appearances.

But I'm really thinking classic Iron Man. More recent Iron Man does seem to have a lot more stuff in his solos, although he doesn't often seem to pull out some of his more dangerous tricks in Avengers team situations or Civil War fights and so on.

Hate to say it, but yes a quickdraw is probably what it comes down to, maybe with a slight edge to Vader because of his willingness to kill and because Tony sometimes dicks around and quips at the start of fights.

Originally posted by cdtm
What if Tony uses a wide setting?

Never seen a lightsaber absorb a flamethrower.. Yeah I doubt he could block a flamethrower or a similar attack with his saber, but with a tk shield no problem.

Originally posted by cdtm
What if Tony uses a wide setting?

Never seen a lightsaber absorb a flamethrower.. http://i.imgur.com/xyfOLK9l.jpg

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Is Vader Sieg Heiling? Tsk.

It's a force-sieg heil, and he's in black armor... So it's okay.

But yeah, there's a reason the mighty DS said deflect, rather than block.

I wasn't talking about the saber blocking a repulsor blast, but Vader deflecting it.

Originally posted by cdtm
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Avx? This seems really pis-y. I will hand wave that away if so plus he was prepped. I recall 2 other instances of him having tp resist (against red skull/defusing mind controlled hulk)but they required time or prep

Someone more knowledgable in the force would have to explain vaders version of tp. I think its more like empathy manip than traditional telepathy.

Originally posted by basilisk
Interesting fight. My first thoughts were that Vader would probably take it via deflecting repulsors, force choke/crush, messing with Tony's mind, lightsaber attack etc. Also because in character Vader is more likely to stop messing around and go for the kill. Vader has pretty impressive stuff in recent SW appearances.

But I'm really thinking classic Iron Man. More recent Iron Man does seem to have a lot more stuff in his solos, although he doesn't often seem to pull out some of his more dangerous tricks in Avengers team situations or Civil War fights and so on.

Hate to say it, but yes a quickdraw is probably what it comes down to, maybe with a slight edge to Vader because of his willingness to kill and because Tony sometimes dicks around and quips at the start of fights.

👍👍. Pretty much, i think Galan called it earlier.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


But yeah, there's a reason the mighty DS said deflect, rather than block.

I wasn't talking about the saber blocking a repulsor blast, but Vader deflecting it.
The mighty DS?

The repulsors ko superhuman bricks and wreck pretty much all conventional weaponry/vehicles they touch. They're a lot more powerful than lasers or fire. Not saying Vader couldn't deflect them because I'm not sure, but it would be a lot more power coming at him.

Vader deflected a huge blaster bolt (or whatever it was) from a f*cking tank...

Yeah but the repulsors wipe out tanks, armies, battalions etc

And they also fail to KO Old Man Rogers w/o SSS or helmet...

I never trust repulsors to do the job, tbh.

Atleast Tony's built in excuse is that he can use low to high settings on the repulsors and probably doesn't want to vaporize Cap.

^^^good point.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Atleast Tony's built in excuse is that he can use low to high settings on the repulsors and probably doesn't want to vaporize Cap.

It looked like a fight to the death... nothing to lose, world ending around them and everything.

Pulse bolts, uni-beam, missiles, sonics, tech hacking... anything but repulsors.

To be honest that last fight flew heavily in the face of everything we knew Iron man to be capable of. Cap is to Iron man as Batman is to Superman at times. Cap gets away with far more against Iron man than anyone else near his tier.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And they also fail to KO Old Man Rogers w/o SSS or helmet...

I never trust repulsors to do the job, tbh.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
To be honest that last fight flew heavily in the face of everything we knew Iron man to be capable of. Cap is to Iron man as Batman is to Superman at times. Cap gets away with far more against Iron man than anyone else near his tier.
Hey you better watch that kind of talk you freaking Commies... Cap's just that good.

Hey, I would have no problem if it was Silver Surfer's blast he tanked

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hey, I would have no problem if it was Silver Surfer's blast he tanked
Neither would I. The only folks who have a problem with Cap tanking whatever he wants are communist...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Neither would I. The only folks who have a problem with Cap tanking whatever he wants are communist...

Lies.

You love Norrin more than freedom and justice...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Lies.

You love Norrin more than freedom and justice...
No I'm honestly a bigger Cap fan, Norrin's written as too passive in my book. When you get right down to it my favorite's list goes...

1. Adam Warlock
2. Cap
3. Surfer


It's just that out of all of them Norrin's the easiest to debate for and has more haters on KMC than the other two so I end up defending him more frequently. If Norrin was my #1 I'd take up residence at CBR, the reason I don't is specifically because they have a ruling against Cap being anything more than human and bar many of his feats... because they're communist.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, even as he's being choked he should be able to get off some aoe attack. overall tony is too powerful imo. if it were a single random encounter i could see vader possibly taking it. the saber could def cut through the armor and kill tony if he weren't aware of its properties, and the force choke could immobilize him long enough for that to happen, but but in general tony is just too versatile for vader. i'd think he'd be able to hack into vader's suit too, and eff him over that way. maybe even in that single random encounter i mentioned.

Carver , hello!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hey, I would have no problem if it was Silver Surfer's blast he tanked

I was combing through some old Iron man feats the other day, HE actually did tank Silver Surfer's blast once.

@goober

Good to know Really did not suspect Surfer was #3 on your list.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver , hello!

He totally ignores his most devoted fans...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@goober

Good to know Really did not suspect Surfer was #3 on your list.



He totally ignores his most devoted fans...
Yeah I didn't know all that much about him before KMC other than he was basically a swiss army knife. Adam Warlock though... I grabbed up every appearance of his I could afford back when I actually bought comics. But he's one of those guys who doesn't actually do very much in most of his appearances so he's extremely tough to debate for because most of his writers focus on the stories over definitive/quantifiable feats. And Cap well... reading a Cap comic is almost like hearing Gonna Fly Now when you're engaged in a physical activity. He just makes you want go out and find a hopeless cause to fight for lol.

When you have the Soul Gem and can steal souls of abstracts, you don't need that many feats.

Originally posted by cdtm
When you have the Soul Gem and can steal souls of abstracts, you don't need that many feats.
The soul gem can't steal the souls of abstract types, Warlock specifically noted that the souls of beings like Galactus are beyond it's ability to manipulate. What's more, soul absorption is a tactic that Warlock rarely ever used because it's inherently perilous. He was always worried that a soul he absorbed might actually overwelm his own... that's why he always avoided using the tactic on Thanos.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
...Cap is to Iron man as Batman is to Superman at times. Cap gets away with far more against Iron man than anyone else near his tier.
Great analogy.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The soul gem can't steal the souls of abstract types, Warlock specifically noted that the souls of beings like Galactus are beyond it's ability to manipulate. What's more, soul absorption is a tactic that Warlock rarely ever used because it's inherently perilous. He was always worried that a soul he absorbed might actually overwelm his own... that's why he always avoided using the tactic on Thanos.

He stole part of the soul of Star Thief, an abstract level being.

Originally posted by cdtm
He stole part of the soul of Star Thief, an abstract level being.
See, can't absorb the souls of characters like Big G, can absorb PART of the soul of guys like Star Thief. Also has an issue with fortified Asgardian souls like Thor's. The ability is virtually impossible to nail down, that's why it needs more feats. Well it doesn't actually need more feats because Warlock stories are great BECAUSE they don't focus on feats... but to properly debate the tactic and Warlock in general on the forum more clear showings are definately necessary. As I said, he's my favorite even though he's tough as Hell to debate for, I was just expressing why I don't frequently debate for him even though he's my favorite character.

Nevermind, was thinking Star Lord!

Originally posted by JayDaDon
The repulsors ko superhuman bricks and wreck pretty much all conventional weaponry/vehicles they touch. They're a lot more powerful than lasers or fire. Not saying Vader couldn't deflect them because I'm not sure, but it would be a lot more power coming at him. Indeed it is entirely possible that one successful attack from Tony could incapacitate Vader.


That said, I am confident that Vader could block or deflect any of Tony's conventional weaponry/attacks(given the chance, of course.) Aside from what I have already mentioned, Vader can also use his TK to block the cumulative blasts/torpedoes of an entire damn Squadron of X-Wings:

http://i.imgur.com/usk4Gnhl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HDCdg4gl.jpg



And as Stilt mentioned, even his lightsaber can easily deflect blasts from tanks at pointblank range:

http://i.imgur.com/ngFvt3fl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XKq5CzNl.jpg




As for any smaller artillery fire at close range:

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http://i.imgur.com/E2jHqfy.gif


g007_teehee




Like I said from the start: I believe this is a quick-draw scenario, plain and simple. Whoever lands the first *successful* attack likely wins.

Those last couple scenes aren't a factor, but cool.
Not sure how his being in a ship is relevant to the first one.
Taken all together though, its impressive as **** for Vader.

Originally posted by Galan007

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This is such an impressive scene from both sides. Han not givin af and shooting on sight and Vaders casual blockage.

A total classic!