Namor vs. Thing

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Wonder Man
Now who knows what they're doing?
Namor by TKO

DarkCrawler
Namor wins 8/10.

who?-kid
Well, Thing has heart.

JOE NUNEZ
hey wonderman thats a cool pic of namor. anyway namor wins 8/10

R.O.T. Yahman
Originally posted by JOE NUNEZ
hey wonderman thats a cool pic of namor. anyway namor wins 8/10

Really .... I think it insinuates Namors homo erotic persona .... wouldn't you say D.C. ?

grey fox
WHAM

Things out like a light....

Acrosurge
Originally posted by grey fox
WHAM

Things out like a light.... Well, I'm thinking it's more like...

WHAM! Thing flies through a couple buildings, peels himself out of the pavement and throws one of his patented haymakers. Namor counters it and plants an uppercut that launches Thing to the top floor of Four Freedoms Plaza.

Then he's out like a light. It would be cool to give Thing the win here, but Namor has a huge speed and flight advatage.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Really .... I think it insinuates Namors homo erotic persona .... wouldn't you say D.C. ?

I think the pic is odd...I don't know what the hell is up with his hands, and he certainly doesn't have a tattoo like that.

who?-kid
It's a fake pic.

Horrificus
Thing and Subby always have good fights. They are never simple.
Since they write poor Ben like a sap, of course he will lose.

Until somebody gets a hold of him, and either turns him back into the over class 100 Spikey-Thing, or give him some skills, sneakiness, or weapons that will finally give him an edge, after he is finished being a punching bag for every clown over class 20.

I always wished one day that Ben would show up against the hulk with a disintegrator gun, an invisibility belt and some kind of power-sword.

spetznaz
Namor.

JOE NUNEZ
yeah ,it looks fake but still it gives the character a human look

Diunic
Thing is stronger but Namor wins. Strength is not always everything.

King_Mungi
Namor is actually stronger, and has more impressive strength feats then Ben.

Diunic
I believe he's stronger in the water not outside. Their bios stated Ben as the stronger.

spetznaz
Originally posted by Diunic
I believe he's stronger in the water not outside. Their bios stated Ben as the stronger.

That's debatable (although bios do tend to be quite contradictory at times). Featwise Namor has done things that would give him a seat in the JLA next to Superman and WonderWoman.
For instance in the past he was even written as doing things that were pre-Crisis Superman level, for instance when he swam up from the ocean, took to the air, and then accelerated so fast that he go out of earth's orbit, streaked through deep space, and landed on another planet in a different GALAXY!
That planet's inhabitants had been stealing Earth's water, so he needed to 'free' the water. Anyways, he managed to do that, and after being in the water vats he repeated his space-flight thingimajig and came back to Earth.
Now, that is not really the same as some of the things Pre-Crisis Superman used to do, but it definitely ranks. Especially once you consider that Namor is supposed to be an Atlantean prince, yet here he is doing spac-rescue missions by simpling shooting up into the air and into deep space.

Anyways, the handbooks say that Namor is supposed to be able to lift 85 tons.
That is ridiculous.
Namor has been consistently shown as being able to lift far far far far FAR (did I say far) more than that.

Some examples:

1) Namor punched the Hulk so hard that he flew landed miles away. Both were knocked out, however Namor recovered first and the Hulk was knocked out so badly that he reverted back to Banner. Let's see Thing do that.

2) Namor has beaten the Thing before ....knocked the Rocky one unconscious.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7751/namorfeat1020mm.gif

3)And the one that makes everything else moot ....Namor broke the bands of Cytorrak
Here he is breaking the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak (yep ....you read that right ....Namor broke the Crimson Bands, something that very few characters are able to do since they are supposed to be 'unbreakable').

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4775/namorfeat23wb.gif

Conclusion: The Thing may have 'heart,' but Namor takes this fight. Once.
And twice.
And thrice.
All the way to 10/10 (without PIS/CIS). Handbooks may claim that Thing is stronger, but featwise Namor is simply on a different level than the Thing.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Diunic
I believe he's stronger in the water not outside. Their bios stated Ben as the stronger.

Well depends on how long Namor is out of the water, the longer he is out the weaker he becomes.

grey fox
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well depends on how long Namor is out of the water, the longer he is out the weaker he becomes.

After a few hours he drops from a class 1000000000000 to a class 1000 ......and still turns ben into crazy paving. Namor wins !

jrodslam
Namor wins 8/10. Maybe 9.

And can someone tell me which handbook states Thing is stronger than Namor?

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by Diunic
I believe he's stronger in the water not outside. Their bios stated Ben as the stronger.
There has never been a bio that states Ben as stronger.

Namor is AS STRONG IN LAND AS HE IS IN WATER, provided that he isn't dehydrated. He doesn't drop in few minutes. I think it would be unfair to assume that Namor gets dehydrated in the fights...being on water is his natural state, he was born there. Land is his natural state as well. And, since he has wings, air seems to be one too.

Water doesn't enhance him, it returns him to his normal levels. Nearly feat that Namor has done on land are feats from weakened Namor.

Horrificus
The handbooks said that Thing was class 85, and Namor was Class 95.
Period.
Yeah, Namor has done some wild stuff. He used to regularly exchange punches with the Hulk, no matter how angry or strong the Hulk got, it never made it easy for him. Namor was always right there. And I believe Namor has beaten Hulk a few times actually.

DarkCrawler
Three times.

Horrificus
Yeah. And the way they protect Hulk's rep, 3 times is pretty serious feats.

Marcus4600
Namor and Thing are both guys that fight class 100 guys all the time, and 9 out of 10 times they win. However, Benjamin J. Grimm, the ever-lovin blue eyed Thing just isn't strong enough to take on Namor.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Marcus4600
Namor and Thing are both guys that fight class 100 guys all the time, and 9 out of 10 times they win. However, Benjamin J. Grimm, the ever-lovin blue eyed Thing just isn't strong enough to take on Namor.



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He's strong enough to take on The HULK and beat him... but not Namor?




rolling on floor laughing

Wonder Man
yeah its a cool pic.
i fig. Namor might just dround the Thing.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by Tony Stark
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He's strong enough to take on The HULK and beat him... but not Namor?




rolling on floor laughing

*sigh*

The fact is, that now he is fighting a guy who is not only stronger then him, (like Hulk is) but also faster, more experienced, better fighter and smarter then him.

Namor has all the advantages. Thing has none.

Ben can't win, I'm afraid. no

juggernaut66666
Namor owns the thing

snoopdogg
As much as I hate Thing I am gonna stick up for him here. Now I am not saying he beats Namor but this is not gonna be a blow over like some people are assuming.

Thing can hold his own with Hulk so I think he can hold his own with Namor. The only time Namor has beat Hulk were with Namors plot devices.

If they fight in a adamantium cage I think Thing will get some wins over Namor. Thing has him in the fighting experience and I think cause he has a 5 rating according to Marvel and Namor has a mere 3.

Durability I give to Thing also. His body is made out of rock while Namors is stilll considered flesh etc.

Speed goes to Namor.

I say on land with no water plot-devices Namor wins 6/10.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
As much as I hate Thing I am gonna stick up for him here. Now I am not saying he beats Namor but this is not gonna be a blow over like some people are assuming.

Mhm.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Thing can hold his own with Hulk so I think he can hold his own with Namor. The only time Namor has beat Hulk were with Namors plot devices.
Except that Namor is faster, smarter, and better fighter then Hulk. So no.

Plot devices? Like what? Him being in water? He has punched Hulk uncouncious. There were no plot devices there. Before you start to say "bad writing", ALL the fights where Namor beats Hulk were written by Stan the Man Lee. Who created Hulk. And I think he would know his own character the best...

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If they fight in a adamantium cage I think Thing will get some wins over Namor. Thing has him in the fighting experience and I think cause he has a 5 rating according to Marvel and Namor has a mere 3.

That is because Marvel ratings suck when it comes to Namor, like I have proved over and over again. Namor was born as the first prince of a warrior nation that has had over ten thousand years to perfect the arts of fighting. He had the best tutors in everything, including fighting. For example, Krang, the best swordsman in Atlantis trained him in swordsmanship.

What does Thing have? Two or three years in USA Army, if even that.

Those facts alone would make Namor better fighter then Thing, but you see, he has had 85 YEARS to practice his fighting, compared to Thing's about ten years, because unlike Namor, his fighting training didn't start as a kid.

Marvel Handbooks are done by people who have done almost no research for the handbooks, don't know the characters thoroughly, and they shouldn't be used in debates as a proof.


Originally posted by snoopdogg
Durability I give to Thing also. His body is made out of rock while Namors is stilll considered flesh etc.

Remember when the Heroes came back from Heroes Reborn saga? The big spaceship exploded and the heroes were either teleported safely on planet or they landed under their own power to the ground. Like Fantastic Four did. They were escorted with the help of Invisible Woman and landed roughly to the ground inside her forcefield. Thing was knocked out in the landing.

Namor landed in the same way. But he didn't have the help of a forcefield with him...
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat889cy.gif
...but still wasn't knocked out.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Speed goes to Namor.

I say on land with no water plot-devices Namor wins 6/10.

I'll say he wins 8/10. Proof from comics.

Marcus4600
Yup Yup. You gotta admit though. It's a great brawl when those two go at it, with the exception of the Ultimate version.


Johnny, watch out for that right hook.

Zahit
here's my 2 cents........

I will agree that Namor will take Thing
more often then not in a 1 on 1 fight.......

but let's not forget.....Ben has been fighting and gang-banging
ever since he was a little boy......add college football and wrestling....
add the fact that he was a TOP Air Force pilot.....(better than Maverick anyway),
and you have one of the toughest brawlers in comics........period.

but i do agree that Namor has too many advantages like speed,
experience, flight, arrogance, for Thing to overcome....

just had to clear up matters on Thing....

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by Zahit


but let's not forget.....Ben has been fighting and gang-banging
ever since he was a little boy......add college football and wrestling....
add the fact that he was a TOP Air Force pilot.....(better than Maverick anyway),
and you have one of the toughest brawlers in comics........period.

.

One of the toughest, but one of the most skilled? I doubt it.

Namor, for example, has been taught how to use nerve strikes:
http://tinypic.com/mj4vmp.gif

Also, every year he needs to take part in T'Challa styled warrior contest where they tests his skills and he needs to prove that he is STILL the true king. (Namor has, of course done it longer then Black Panther)
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7776/warriornamor9mh.gif
And he is:http://i1.tinypic.com/mj4n5t.gif

Even after being in incredible pain, he shows his skills after only few pages:
http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/8793/namorfeat1289mi.gif

And with all of his speed and agility, it's hard to believe that Thing will even lay a punch if Namor is going all out:
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2339/namorfeat1243cq.gif
http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/152/namorspeedfeat318vl.gif
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/3396/namorspeedfeat476fb.gif
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1691/namorspeedfeat581oq.gif

While Namor will be laying multiple punches. Per second.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6167/namorspeedfeat428zm.gif

Zahit
yeah...but.....

Thing is just as versatile as Namor in the water too......see:

King_Mungi
THING WINS.....EASILY


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I don't actually believe it, just want DC to post 50+ scans smile

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by King_Mungi
THING WINS.....EASILY


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I don't actually believe it, just want DC to post 50+ scans smile

50+. Pfft. Tame. roll eyes (sarcastic)

King_Mungi
I was trying to be nice, but if you actually think your overated Namor can impress me and somehow beat Thing's rock hard durability and his heart that never gives up, try me. Cosmic radiation > soggy water bottoms, it's simple science

:P

batdude123
Namor has beaten Thing so many times, that I'm suprised that Marvel U. hasn't made Thing Namor's personal b!@%$ch by now. Namor is a guy in which the entire FF has trouble beating, let alone Thing.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I was trying to be nice, but if you actually think your overated Namor can impress me and somehow beat Thing's rock hard durability and his heart that never gives up, try me. Cosmic radiation > soggy water bottoms, it's simple science

:P

Being Neptune's personal favorite, his destined warrior and relative beats cosmic radiation on every day. wink

Zahit
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Being Neptune's personal favorite, his destined warrior and relative beats cosmic radiation on every day. wink
yeah but what if ben smoked a cigar then farted on namor?

King_Mungi
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Being Neptune's personal favorite, his destined warrior and relative beats cosmic radiation on every day. wink

Nope, Thing doesn't need to shave and didn't go through that awful ponytail mullet phase Namor did. That a lone makes him win, it's simple science.

batdude123
Originally posted by Zahit
yeah but what if ben smoked a cigar then farted on namor?

laughing

DarkCrawler
The world would go ASPLODE!

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Nope, Thing doesn't need to shave and didn't go through that awful ponytail mullet phase Namor did. That a lone makes him win, it's simple science.

You forget the pineapple look Thing had:
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Fantastic%20Four/ben/Thing_Pineapple.gif

Or the mask:
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Fantastic%20Four/ben/chosecasquedefalcobw1gn.gif

Zahit
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The world would go ASPLODE!
you mean ASSPLODE.........duh.

King_Mungi
Whatever spiky thing would so poke Namor.....*cough*...Thing just outclasses him....he...errr....has blue eyes!

Horrificus
Ben "Pineapples" Grimm would clean up Namor.

DarkCrawler
Wasn't he kind of mindless in that state?

badabing
Bump

DarkCrawler
Why is the bump needed? Namor curbstomps Thing in about every possible area you can say.

Thing has no hope.

TheKahn
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Why is the bump needed? Namor curbstomps Thing in about every possible area you can say.

Thing has no hope.

But the Thing has HEART, damn you! mad Hhhhhhhheeeeeeeeaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrttttttttt!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!




















Namor wins 10/10 wink

Tony Stark
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Why is the bump needed? Namor curbstomps Thing in about every possible area you can say.

Thing has no hope.




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The only thing Namor curbstomps The THING at is selfpropeled flying, swimming and breathing underwater.

Everything else is pretty damn even. They have both had their moments against each other.


wink

DarkCrawler
Not really.

Namor is also way faster, more then three times as experienced, stronger, better fighter and much smarter.

yes

Tony Stark
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Not really.

Namor is also way faster, more then three times as experienced, stronger, better fighter and much smarter.

yes



NO...NO...NO...NO...NO.


Other than that your exactly right.

cool

DarkCrawler
Sadly for Thing, we go by comics. You know, this being a comic versus board and all. And comics have clearly shown Namor's superiority at all those areas. yes

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/7984/namorthing16ls.gif

snoopdogg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sadly for Thing, we go by comics. You know, this being a comic versus board and all. And comics have clearly shown Namor's superiority at all those areas. yes

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/7984/namorthing16ls.gif I have seen enough from the comics to know that Thing can defeat Namor on land. Water if a different story. But on land Thing has overpowered Namor before. big grin

capt it up
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sadly for Thing, we go by comics. You know, this being a comic versus board and all. And comics have clearly shown Namor's superiority at all those areas. yes

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/7984/namorthing16ls.gif
yes when it shows namor losing it PIS?

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I have seen enough from the comics to know that Thing can defeat Namor on land. Water if a different story. But on land Thing has overpowered Namor before. big grin

Namor has overpowered Thing on land more times then Thing has overpowered Namor...in fact, Thing has overpowered Namor only once...and it was during the time when Namor got dehydrated like in 5 minutes. Nowadays he lasts much longer.

Namor has done it many more times.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor has overpowered Thing on land more times then Thing has overpowered Namor...in fact, Thing has overpowered Namor only once...and it was during the time when Namor got dehydrated like in 5 minutes. Nowadays he lasts much longer.

Namor has done it many more times. I'm talking a pure contest of strength. When has Namor overpowered Thing? I'm not talking about fighting.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by capt it up
yes when it shows namor losing it PIS?

...no...

That Wolverine fight was PIS (And CIS, though). Nothing you can do to change it, I'm afraid. no

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I'm talking a pure contest of strength. When has Namor overpowered Thing? I'm not talking about fighting.

Well there never has been an armwrestling or anything between them...But Namor's strength feats outweigh Things, thats for sure.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well there never has been an armwrestling or anything between them...But Namor's strength feats outweigh Things, thats for sure. I'm talking about the time Thing pulled Namor out of the water against his own will.

That feat right there nulls everyone of Namors. stick out tongue

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I'm talking about the time Thing pulled Namor out of the water against his own will.

That feat right there nulls everyone of Namors. stick out tongue

No it doesn't. One scan doesn't nullify hundreds of others.

If you had many scans where Thing was shown to have strength advantage over Namor, that would be good then, but Namor has shown way more times to be strong enough to not be pulled out of water by Class 5 Thing. If Thing was in leagues with Hulk, then it would be possible, but that scan isn't a very good example.

It's vice versa. Hundred of scans nullify one by a mile.

snoopdogg
I still think Thing is a better fighter than Namor also. wink


What issue was that where Thing pulled Namor out of the water? Was is FF #13 or 27?

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I still think Thing is a better fighter than Namor also. wink

When direct proof says differently. Interesting. huh

Originally posted by snoopdogg
What issue was that where Thing pulled Namor out of the water? Was is FF #13 or 27?

FF v1 #9.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
When direct proof says differently. Interesting. huh



Well I can ask you the same thing. But the handbooks say differently. And so does Things countless battles with guys alot more powerful than him.

Thunderstrike
Hmmm. Who's the better fighter. Thing or Namor. I'd lean towards Namor, but Thing is still undoubtedly one of the best of his weight class.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well I can ask you the same thing. But the handbooks say differently. And so does Things countless battles with guys alot more powerful than him.

Handbooks have been proven wrong multiple times when it comes to Namor, a fact that can't be denied. big grin

And Namor doesn't have countless battles against guys more powerful then him? He does, and he actually does better there then Thing does. yes

Thunderstrike
The Mjolnir feat is probably one of Namor's best.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
The Mjolnir feat is probably one of Namor's best. Wasn't that in some alternate reality or something though?

Thunderstrike
Heroes Reborn.

DarkCrawler
But they had the same bodies after they returned. So Namor currently could repeat it also.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But they had the same bodies after they returned. So Namor currently could repeat it also. But we will never know...............

Thunderstrike
Thor's coming back, I guarantee. If not, then Beta Ray will be charged with the kicking of Sentry's ass.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
But we will never know...............

Why won't we? He already did. Unless his body has been weakened in the past few years, I don't see why he couldn't do the same...

mighty adam
namor will beat thing 9/10. namor is too skilled he can use hit and run if he wanted to cuz of his speed. but namor is a man so he would just beat him head up to much skill plus speed= bad day for the thing.

guy222
ben with a hammer wins

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