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This is a setup to a tournament I'm creating, and this is Namor vs Ultimate Colossus, but in a wrestling ring! No flying, but grappling, punches, and so forth. I'm coming up with a 16 man tourney like this, so I figured I'd have a good warm up. Here's the rules:

No flying, No leaving the Arena. Arena setup is as such: Crimson Bands of Cyttorak line the outside of the ring, and the ring itself is made of thick adamantium, but the ropes are made of some stretchy substance that can't break. Ummmm, the ropes are Reed Richards? Nah. Just something real stretchy that can't break.

Anyway, Who wins this fight, and what would be the move before the pin?

Ultimate Colossus, hands down.

Can Namor still use his speed and agility?

I don't see how it would help him, considering they're in a 20X20' ring. I don't think he possesses the power to even faze Ultimate Colossus.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Can Namor still use his speed and agility?

Yes, he can. Speed, agility, and so forth factor into a fight like this. Also, DC, who would Namor partner with in a tag team match if he had to?

Originally posted by batdude123
I don't see how it would help him, considering they're in a 20X20' ring. I don't think he possesses the power to even faze Ultimate Colossus.

...sure thing, buddy:
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http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7751/namorfeat1020mm.gif

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http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9995/namorfeat255ii.gif

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/886/namorfeat973kv.gif

http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/9749/namorfeat19rb.gif
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Namor is stronger then Ultimate Colossus. Better fighter. More experienced. Faster.

Ultimate Colossus is more durable, but not THAT much durable.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
Yes, he can. Speed, agility, and so forth factor into a fight like this. Also, DC, who would Namor partner with in a tag team match if he had to? Perhaps with Thor. Or Hulk. Or Thing. All are good friends of Namor.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
...sure thing, buddy:
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7751/namorfeat1020mm.gif

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/9898/namorfeat1136sn.gif

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6122/namorfeat966tw.gif

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9995/namorfeat255ii.gif

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/886/namorfeat973kv.gif

http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/9749/namorfeat19rb.gif
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4775/namorfeat23wb.gif

Namor is stronger then Ultimate Colossus. Better fighter. More experienced. Faster.

Ultimate Colossus is more durable, but not THAT much durable. Namor is not stronger than Ult. Colossus DC. That's your opinion. His feats pale in comparison to Ult. Colossus.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Namor is not stronger than Ult. Colossus DC. That's your opinion. His feats pale in comparison to Ult. Colossus.

Tell me one feat that puts Ultimate Colossus above Namor.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Tell me one feat that puts Ultimate Colossus above Namor. I was just gonna ask you that. Their strength is even at best. Colossus lifted a 7000 ton sub half filled with water and carried it miles to shore in Namors realm. Can Namor do a similar feat on dry land? Probably not cause he would get weaker and weaker.

Fighting skills I call even also. Namor can fight I'm not saying that but Colossus was a hit man for the Russian Mob and has extensive training in the danger room. I know you won't like this but Marvel has Namor and Ult. Colossus listed at 3's in fighting. That's good enough for me.

Tough fight though. 50/50.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Marvel has Namor and Ult. Colossus listed at 3's in fighting. That's good enough for me.

where do i find the stats?

Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
where do i find the stats? In the Official Marvel Handbooks.

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Originally posted by snoopdogg
I was just gonna ask you that. Their strength is even at best. Colossus lifted a 7000 ton sub half filled with water and carried it miles to shore in Namors realm. Can Namor do a similar feat on dry land? Probably not cause he would get weaker and weaker.

I wasn't aware that we were discussing weakened Namor's strength against full power Colossus's strength. You are right, Colossus is stronger then weakened Namor.

Stronger then full power Namor? Not a chance.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Fighting skills I call even also. Namor can fight I'm not saying that but Colossus was a hit man for the Russian Mob and has extensive training in the danger room. I know you won't like this but Marvel has Namor and Ult. Colossus listed at 3's in fighting. That's good enough for me.

Tough fight though. 50/50.

It's good enough for you. But it isn't a fact. Didn't we go through this at another thread, only that Thing was at Ult. Colossus's place?




I'm sorry, but mafia hitman training (they use guns way more anyway) and about a year in Danger Room are pathetic compared to seventy years of endless battle and training from the best teachers of warrior nation.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I wasn't aware that we were discussing weakened Namor's strength against full power Colossus's strength. You are right, Colossus is stronger then weakened Namor.

Stronger then full power Namor? Not a chance.



Take your head out of Namors @ss for one second DC. Namor at full strength is equal to Ult. Colossus cause feats speak for themselves and Namors do not surpass Colossus' in any way. Don't be getting sh!t twisted.

You always say the Hanbooks are crap this and crap that. That's because they unlike you are telling Namors true potential. You don't like them cause Namor is listed at 6 in strength yet. I can use the same argument for Colossus. He has lifted sh!t well over 100 tons and beat the sh!t out of guys more powerful then him and he still has a 3 in fighting and a 6 in strength.

These guys are pretty much even except I give Namor the speed edge and Ult. Colossus the durability edge.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Take your head out of Namors @ss for one second DC. Namor at full strength is equal to Ult. Colossus cause feats speak for themselves and Namors do not surpass Colossus' in any way. Don't be getting sh!t twisted.

It would always be nice to have a civilised debate without resorting to insults, sadly this isn't always possible.

If you compare the strongest feats of Colossus and the strongest feats of Namor, Namor outclasses Colossus by far.

Which one of Colossus's feats can even hold a candle to knocking out the Hulk?

To knocking out Beta Ray Bill?

Knocking out Thing with one punch?

Lifting an tanker that weighs nearly 200,000 tons?

Lifting worlds largest submarine?

Getting a fifty ton tank miles in the air with enough velocity to rip an airplanes wing off?

Until Colossus's actually does a feat that makes Namor's pale in comparision, or even ties with them, you can't say that he is as strong or stronger then Namor.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
You always say the Hanbooks are crap this and crap that. That's because they unlike you are telling Namors true potential. You don't like them cause Namor is listed at 6 in strength yet. I can use the same argument for Colossus. He has lifted sh!t well over 100 tons and beat the sh!t out of guys more powerful then him and he still has a 3 in fighting and a 6 in strength.

Ooo, Namor's "true potential" as stated by handbooks.

Able to lift no more then 100 tons.

Able to fly at 40 mph.

Able to swim at 60 mph.

His intelligence is on "learned" level.

He has "some training".

They list stuff like this, even though he has done feats that are mightier before AND after handbooks were created. Now tell me, is that proof of a good research?

It's good to refer to handbooks once and a while, and I have used them before, but NOT if there are multiple comics that contradict with them. Why do you think that people scan multiple pages of characters if handbooks are the true and only word? That people actually need a scan from comics before they believe stuff? Because handbooks are often faulted, in many things.

People are not going to ignore dozens of comic book feats just because a guy who has tiny knowledge has wrotten that he shouldn't really have had the capablities to do so. Even IF the CREATOR of the character has written him to do so. That is why handbooks, in many situations, are big load of crap.

Ima have to agree with DC on this one. Colossus is cool and in the Ultimate Universe a real top dog. But compared to Namor? Namor takes it.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It would always be nice to have a civilised debate without resorting to insults, sadly this isn't always possible.

If you compare the strongest feats of Colossus and the strongest feats of Namor, Namor outclasses Colossus by far.

Which one of Colossus's feats can even hold a candle to knocking out the Hulk?

To knocking out Beta Ray Bill?

Knocking out Thing with one punch?

Lifting an tanker that weighs nearly 200,000 tons?

Lifting worlds largest submarine?

Getting a fifty ton tank miles in the air with enough velocity to rip an airplanes wing off?

Until Colossus's actually does a feat that makes Namor's pale in comparision, or even ties with them, you can't say that he is as strong or stronger then Namor.



Ooo, Namor's "true potential" as stated by handbooks.

Able to lift no more then 100 tons.

Able to fly at 40 mph.

Able to swim at 60 mph.

His intelligence is on "learned" level.

He has "some training".

They list stuff like this, even though he has done feats that are mightier before AND after handbooks were created. Now tell me, is that proof of a good research?

It's good to refer to handbooks once and a while, and I have used them before, but NOT if there are multiple comics that contradict with them. Why do you think that people scan multiple pages of characters if handbooks are the true and only word? That people actually need a scan from comics before they believe stuff? Because handbooks are often faulted, in many things.

People are not going to ignore dozens of comic book feats just because a guy who has tiny knowledge has wrotten that he shouldn't really have had the capablities to do so. Even IF the CREATOR of the character has written him to do so. That is why handbooks, in many situations, are big load of crap. Nevermind DC. You can put your head back into Namors @ss now.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Nevermind DC. You can put your head back into Namors @ss now.



What's gotten into you? I remembered you as a good debater, but that really isn't a good way to answer a post.

I guess I was wrong...

Seriously, that's low.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It would always be nice to have a civilised debate without resorting to insults, sadly this isn't always possible.

If you compare the strongest feats of Colossus and the strongest feats of Namor, Namor outclasses Colossus by far.

Which one of Colossus's feats can even hold a candle to knocking out the Hulk?

To knocking out Beta Ray Bill?

Knocking out Thing with one punch?

Lifting an tanker that weighs nearly 200,000 tons?

Lifting worlds largest submarine?

Getting a fifty ton tank miles in the air with enough velocity to rip an airplanes wing off?

Until Colossus's actually does a feat that makes Namor's pale in comparision, or even ties with them, you can't say that he is as strong or stronger then Namor.



Ooo, Namor's "true potential" as stated by handbooks.

Able to lift no more then 100 tons.

Able to fly at 40 mph.

Able to swim at 60 mph.

His intelligence is on "learned" level.

He has "some training".

They list stuff like this, even though he has done feats that are mightier before AND after handbooks were created. Now tell me, is that proof of a good research?

It's good to refer to handbooks once and a while, and I have used them before, but NOT if there are multiple comics that contradict with them. Why do you think that people scan multiple pages of characters if handbooks are the true and only word? That people actually need a scan from comics before they believe stuff? Because handbooks are often faulted, in many things.

People are not going to ignore dozens of comic book feats just because a guy who has tiny knowledge has wrotten that he shouldn't really have had the capablities to do so. Even IF the CREATOR of the character has written him to do so. That is why handbooks, in many situations, are big load of crap.

Dude C'mon! You want to hear something that Ultimate Colossus has done that Namor could only do in his dreams? Ultimate Colossus has stood in the way of a locomotive going roughly 100 miles an hour (The type of locomotive im talking about are the ones that are linked and linked and the stretch for about a quarter mile or so). Anyway, Colossus stood up to it and the train crumpled like a freakin' piece of paper and Ultimate Colossus didn't even budge!

Even though I don't like Namor as a character, I had to admit that NC is right in this debate. Until you can really prove that Ult. Colossus is stronger, Namor remains stronger because he has feats to back up NC's statement.

DC

I just stated a feat that Ultimate Colossus did that was freakin' unbelievable.

Hey how do you guys send a picture with a message?

what do you mean? You wanna attach a picture? go to add reply then upload the pic. And Ive seen the comic. Thats pretty sweet, however Im still inclined to believe Namor is stronger....

Wasn't it stated that Colossus lifted a 7000 ton sub? If this is a fact and not someone's misunderstanding, I think Colossus has been proven superior in terms of strength.

DC just mentioned Namor lifting a tanker weighing almost 200,000 tons...

I'm going with Namor on this one too. I started the tourney if anyone wouldn't mind posting on it. Also, DC, I paired Namor with Black Bolt since they were the strongest of the Illuminati.

Originally posted by The Ion
DC just mentioned Namor lifting a tanker weighing almost 200,000 tons...

It was also mentioned that the 7000 ton submarine was carried for miles by Ult. Colossus in the water!

Originally posted by Tulika
Wasn't it stated that Colossus lifted a 7000 ton sub? If this is a fact and not someone's misunderstanding, I think Colossus has been proven superior in terms of strength.

7000 ton sub? Not much by Namor's standards.

Here is Namor simply shoving a freighter that weighs well above 10,000 tons to safety.
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat921ig.gif

Here is him easily smashing a 3000 ton object with incredible ease, and he also carried it to that point.
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4655/hulk1998p266qo.jpg

Here is him, as a young man, pushing a freighter (again above 10,000 tons) to shore.
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2245/namorfeat650mp.gif

Here is him pushing a Typhoon Class submarine (which weighs 48,000 tons) clear from the rocks that weigh many tons.
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/namorfeat123.gif



Originally posted by batdude123
Dude C'mon! You want to hear something that Ultimate Colossus has done that Namor could only do in his dreams? Ultimate Colossus has stood in the way of a locomotive going roughly 100 miles an hour (The type of locomotive im talking about are the ones that are linked and linked and the stretch for about a quarter mile or so). Anyway, Colossus stood up to it and the train crumpled like a freakin' piece of paper and Ultimate Colossus didn't even budge!

Want to hear something that Namor has done that Ultimate Colossus could only do in his dreams?

Here is him lifting a fully loaded tanker (almost 200,000 tons with full load) up for some time.
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/2802/namorfeat220rx.gif

Here he topples an entire ship with one punch.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6122/namorfeat966tw.gif

Here he causes earthquakes that make the entire island to quiver by simply slamming his fists on the ground. AND he does this while being pushed to ground by Magneto and being weakened, so he isn't close to his full punching power.
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9995/namorfeat255ii.gif

Here he knocks out Beta Ray Bill with one punch.
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7534/namorfeat1347at.gif

Here he nearly defeats Hercules in underwater match (notice, he only used Cosmic Cube to make water there, not give him extra powers):
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/363/namorfeat1169jx.gif

Here he makes God of War, Ares shout in pain with one punch.
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/9148/namorvsares1pf.gif

Here is him breaking the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/9749/namorfeat19rb.gif
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4775/namorfeat23wb.gif

Here is him knocking out the Hulk with one punch. (The force of their combined punches send out earthquakes that ranged for hundreds of miles.)
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg'
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg

Half of those feats are not really that impressive cause he is pushing the objects. But being you want to post scans I have some also.

Tossin a giant Sentinel into the air while in a awkward posisition. Who knows how far the Sentinel would have went if it did not run into another one.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossustossinaSentinel2.jpg

Here is Colossis stopping a speeding train dead in it's tracks. Namor can't touch this.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossusstoppintrain.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossusstoppintrain2.jpg

Here is Colossus lifting the sub to shore. Colossus was even out of his element.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub3.jpg
(shows how far down the sub was)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub2.jpg

Probably best of all overpowering Magnetos Magnetism. Namor can't touch this either.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/UltimateMags.jpg
(just a pic to show Mags holding 100 Sentinels into the air.)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandMags2.jpg
(Mags couldn't believe the power of Colossus!)

But I'm sure these don't impress Darkcrawler.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Half of those feats are not really that impressive cause he is pushing the objects. But being you want to post scans I have some also.

Tossin a giant Sentinel into the air while in a awkward posisition. Who knows how far the Sentinel would have went if it did not run into another one.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossustossinaSentinel2.jpg

Here is Colossis stopping a speeding train dead in it's tracks. Namor can't touch this.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossusstoppintrain.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossusstoppintrain2.jpg

Here is Colossus lifting the sub to shore. Colossus was even out of his element.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub3.jpg
(shows how far down the sub was)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub2.jpg

Probably best of all overpowering Magnetos Magnetism. Namor can't touch this either.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/UltimateMags.jpg
(just a pic to show Mags holding 100 Sentinels into the air.)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandMags2.jpg
(Mags couldn't believe the power of Colossus!)

But I'm sure these don't impress Darkcrawler.

Sure they do.

Ultimate Magneto hasn't still been proven to be as strong as 616 Magneto. While a weakened Namor was still able to move his hands well enough to strike the land with force enough to quiver the entire island. And 616 Magneto used an amplifier machine in that case.

And, if you ask me, overpowering Crimson Bands of Cyttorak and surprising and knocking out Dr. Strange in the process is far more impressive then overpowering a weakened Magneto.

And as for stopping a dead train in it's tracks, how much you think one railroad car weighs? 20 tons? 30 tons? Perhaps even 50 tons? There were about ten railroad cars on the train. Colossus was stopping about 500-1000 ton force dead on it's tracks. A fraction of Namor's strength.

I do have seen those feats before. Nothing that Namor could not do.

One thing that strikes me with DarkCrawlers scans of Namor is that when he lifts these heavyweights it's under water. A Typhoon submarine weighs from 35-48 000 tons, according to Wikipedia, when fully submerged. This weight however is what the submarine would weigh if taken up from the water with its watertanks filled, not its actual weight under water.

But we are still talking about well over 15 000 tons that Namor handles and that's... impressive. And the feats of Colossus isn't bad either. If any of these suckers land a good punch it's lights out.

Namor takes it with his experience and skill, as it seems both characters are some what equal in strength and durability. As DarkCrawler says, 70 years of combat leaves it marks.

But on the other hand it seems strange that Namor can benefit from the years passed since his creation while other mortal heroes hasn't aged at all...

Originally posted by Bunker
One thing that strikes me with DarkCrawlers scans of Namor is that when he lifts these heavyweights it's under water. A Typhoon submarine weighs from 35-48 000 tons, according to Wikipedia, when fully submerged. This weight however is what the submarine would weigh if taken up from the water with its watertanks filled, not its actual weight under water.

Yeah, but if we count the mass of water he has to displace and the amount of pressure atop them, it makes it somewhat even. This was discussed at another thread too.

Not to mention that he still lifted the fully loaded tanker that weighed near 150,000-200,000 tons.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, but if we count the mass of water he has to displace and the amount of pressure atop them, it makes it somewhat even. This was discussed at another thread too.

Not to mention that he still lifted the fully loaded tanker that weighed near 150,000-200,000 tons. He just pushed the tanker to clear the reef. He didn't actually lift it up and carry it or anything. Ult. Colossus can indeed do that.

And as far as the train feat goes I counted 11 carts on the train. So there has to be more than that. And another thing is that the train was speed at him at high speeds so you have to figure in the momentum of the speed train as well. And on top of that he didn't even move an inch!

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, but if we count the mass of water he has to displace and the amount of pressure atop them, it makes it somewhat even. This was discussed at another thread too.

Not to mention that he still lifted the fully loaded tanker that weighed near 150,000-200,000 tons.



Namor has been taking on the heaviest hitters in the Marvel Universe for decades. Just about everything Ult. Colossus had done, Namor has a comparable feat to it. Being more popular and well known doesn't make him stronger or a better fighter. The Namor respect thread is one of the best ones on this site. It will really opened my eyes to a character that I initially didn't know a lot about despite his long history in the Marvel Universe.

The question isn't is Namor in Ult. Colossus' league, but is Ult. Colossus in Namor's, imo.

Does anybody know for sure how heavy a k-14 sub is? I cannot find any info on one. A k-141 weighs 16,400 tons.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He just pushed the tanker to clear the reef. He didn't actually lift it up and carry it or anything. Ult. Colossus can indeed do that.

And as far as the train feat goes I counted 11 carts on the train. So there has to be more than that. And another thing is that the train was speed at him at high speeds so you have to figure in the momentum of the speed train as well. And on top of that he didn't even move an inch!

That's exactly what I was talking about earlier. Apparently DC just doesn't want to listen.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Does anybody know for sure how heavy a k-14 sub is? I cannot find any info on one. A k-141 weighs 16,400 tons.

The only number I've ever heard is 7,000 tons, but that was on another forum. So I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He just pushed the tanker to clear the reef. He didn't actually lift it up and carry it or anything. Ult. Colossus can indeed do that.

It had sunk to the reef, he had to lift it up in order to clear it from the reef. Like the picture said, "I can hold this for only a second", so he was lifting it.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
And as far as the train feat goes I counted 11 carts on the train. So there has to be more than that. And another thing is that the train was speed at him at high speeds so you have to figure in the momentum of the speed train as well. And on top of that he didn't even move an inch!

So add another 30+ tons to the weight. And add the momentum in too. I sincerely doubt that it would be past Namor's strength class. He can take punches from the likes of Hulk and Thor and not move much, so I don't see why he couldn't do the same feat.

Originally posted by batdude123
That's exactly what I was talking about earlier. Apparently DC just doesn't want to listen.


Namor has caused earthquakes and tsunamis while fighing the hulk that tossed battleships around like bathtub toys for hundreds of miles around.

Think about that for a second. DarkCrawler isn't overrating Namor.

I think the writer may have screwed up and it was a K-141 sub. According to that site the k-14 was discontinued in 1925. The k-141 looks like the one Colossus carried too.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_K-141

Colossus takes this wrestling match. There's really nothing Namor can do, he can punch away at Colossus but nothing will happen. Remeber, Ultimate Colossus trashed thor, and Ironman in the same issue. This is the same Ironman that was able to knock Hulk down a couple blocks.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Colossus takes this wrestling match. There's really nothing Namor can do, he can punch away at Colossus but nothing will happen. Remeber, Ultimate Colossus trashed thor, and Ironman in the same issue. This is the same Ironman that was able to knock Hulk down a couple blocks.

And this is the same Namor who was able to knock Hulk to Banner. Colossus has felt pain from lesser attacks then Namor's punch.

And they are Ultimate Thor and Ultimate Iron Man, who are not nearly as powerful as their 616 counterparts.

^ I like the new avatar and sig DarkCrawler

Namor will be in the ring continuely tiring. Colossus takes this fight hands down.

can someone help me with making sigs?

....i have a scan somewhere where reeds punks namor..........

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Namor will be in the ring continuely tiring. Colossus takes this fight hands down.



Yeah, even when...he can't lay a hand on Namor, while Namor is punching him about dozen times in a second and throwing him around with his clearly superior fighting skills. Have common sense, man. Namor's been able to wrestle Hercules, Colossus won't be a match.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
....i have a scan somewhere where reeds punks namor..........

And I have scan where Namor uses Reed as punching bag. Literally.

But it is time to go to sleep now for me. 'Night.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Namor will be in the ring continuely tiring. Colossus takes this fight hands down.

can someone help me with making sigs?

Here is a like to the sig advice thread. I'm sure they can answer any question you have.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f76/t391544.html

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, even when...he can't lay a hand on Namor, while Namor is punching him about dozen times in a second and throwing him around with his clearly superior fighting skills. Have common sense, man. Namor's been able to wrestle Hercules, Colossus won't be a match. Clearly superior fighting skill? I guess I don't see Namor with that edge. Colossus had no problems fighting Thor and Ironman. Two guys who had distictive advantages over Colossus but he knocked the sh!t out of those two.

I will give Namor the speed edge. But durabililty goes to Colossus. Namor may be able to land alot of shots but I don't see them hurting Colossus much at all. Colossus has taken Wolverines claws with no damage, Namor cannot say that. Namor will start to loose speed, strength etc. without his water plot device and this will be hard to overcome when he does.

Just because Namor wrestled Hercules does not mean "Colossus will not be a match".

Originally posted by batdude123
I don't see how it would help him, considering they're in a 20X20' ring. I don't think he possesses the power to even faze Ultimate Colossus.

You must be kidding ......just 2 days ago I posted a picture of Namor breaking the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak.
Now, there is a chance you may not know what those are, but let me just say that the number of people who have broken those can be counted on one hand (and without using all the fingers on that hand).

Namor can literally knock Colossus (be he 616 or Ultimate) into the next dimension.

Namor wins.

Originally posted by spetznaz
You must be kidding ......just 2 days ago I posted a picture of Namor breaking the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak.
Now, there is a chance you may not know what those are, but let me just say that the number of people who have broken those can be counted on one hand (and without using all the fingers on that hand).

Namor can literally knock Colossus (be he 616 or Ultimate) into the next dimension.

Namor wins.

I know exactly how strong Namor is. I've seen him do amazing things. I probably shouldn't have said that, so I take it back. Breaking the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak is an extremely impressive feat.

Namor wins.

Namor is so far above ultimate colossus is not even funny, Namor feats over the past 66 years is beyond ultimate or regular colossus. You are talking about pound for pound one of the toughest mofos on earth hands down. He has taken on the big hitters like Hulk, Hercules, Black Bolt, Thor, Ares, Dr. Strange, Apocalypse etc hand held his own either defeating or stalemateing his opponets.


Namor will eat Ultiamte Colossus for lunch, dinner and desert all day, trying to compare Colossus feats and victories aganist weaker counter parts is f**king insluting. Namor has proven every time he is one of the powerful superheroes on earth, Namor will shit on Ultimate Colossus like their is no tomorrow.

Originally posted by spetznaz
You must be kidding ......just 2 days ago I posted a picture of Namor breaking the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak.
Now, there is a chance you may not know what those are, but let me just say that the number of people who have broken those can be counted on one hand (and without using all the fingers on that hand).

Namor can literally knock Colossus (be he 616 or Ultimate) into the next dimension.

Namor wins. While I did not read the issue but I thought there was more to the story than just breaking the bands.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Namor is so far above ultimate colossus is not even funny, Namor feats over the past 66 years is beyond ultimate or regular colossus. You are talking about pound for pound one of the toughest mofos on earth hands down. He has taken on the big hitters like Hulk, Hercules, Black Bolt, Thor, Ares, Dr. Strange, Apocalypse etc hand held his own either defeating or stalemateing his opponets.

To be fair the fight with Apocalypse should not count. Namor did get to use a table after all...

Originally posted by spetznaz


Namor can literally knock Colossus (be he 616 or Ultimate) into the next dimension.

Now that I think about it. I cannot argue with this.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Clearly superior fighting skill? I guess I don't see Namor with that edge. Colossus had no problems fighting Thor and Ironman. Two guys who had distictive advantages over Colossus but he knocked the sh!t out of those two.

I have already proven why Namor's fighting skills are superior. Colossus's training OR fighting experience just don't compare. And Ultimate Thor and Ultimate Iron Man are chumps compared to their 616 counterparts. Ultimate Iron Man flew straight to Colossus. Not a wise decision. Ultimate Iron Man also lost to Ultimate Hulk, and Ultimate Hulk is, again, nothing compared to 616 counterpart (He was put down by Captain America).

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I will give Namor the speed edge. But durabililty goes to Colossus. Namor may be able to land alot of shots but I don't see them hurting Colossus much at all. Colossus has taken Wolverines claws with no damage, Namor cannot say that. Namor will start to loose speed, strength etc. without his water plot device and this will be hard to overcome when he does.

Namor's punches have:

Send Hulk flying miles and reverted him back to Banner.
Knocked out Beta Ray Bill.
Hurt Thor. (A god)
Hurt Ares (Another god)
Hurt Hercules (Demigod)
Toppled an enourmous freighter.
Blown through titanium with ease.
Knocked out Thing.
Created island-quivering earthquakes.
Rendered Captain America's impact absorbing shield useless.
Made entire building collapse (with a single punch).
Rendered Dr. Doom's armor useless and sent him flying through multiple steel and titanium plates of his ship.

And you say dozen punches like those in a second won't "hurt Colossus much at all", even though he has been:

Knocked out by Ultimate Juggernaut.
Felt the sting of Cyclops's optic blast at his head.
Knocked out by Ultimate Havok's blasts.
Knocked out by a blast from Sentinel.

Ultimate Colossus is extremely durable, but he is not invunerable. And couple of dozen punches from a guy that can knock out the Hulk and topple battleships will make him fall.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Just because Namor wrestled Hercules does not mean "Colossus will not be a match".

But his superior speed, fighting skills and strength do mean that.

Heck you guys have Namor punching people into other dimensions now. That's way too much for me.

I give up.

DarkCrawler is right in this one; Namor IS stronger and a better fighter. Evidence speaks for itself. But if Namor's hit isn't considerably more powerful than that infamous speeding train, he can't hurt Colossus quickly enough. It' Namor here who's racing time here. If Colossus lasts too long, Namor dehydrates and the match is over.

It really wouldnt be the accurate thing to say Namor is a better fighter. Theres no doubt that hes much more experienced, BUT it doesnt make him a better h2h combatant. If you think of all the powerhouses Namor has fought from Hulk, Abomination, Hercules, Thing, Rhino, etc, Namor always slugs it out. Ofcourse hes also faster than them, but then again he hardly ever uses his speed when fighting them. Hes not tactful about it at all. Just start slugging away. If he were to fight Colossus, it WILL be a slug fest, plain and simple.

If Namor has a way to keep wet via suit or water, id give him the edge due to slight h2h speed and take into fact that hed probably land more hit on Colossus than vise versa. If Namor just starts out wet, but has no way to stay at 100%, hed eventually tire and lose. Theres no way hed beat Colossus quick, so thats out of the question. The fight would be like any other fight with a powerhouse. A stalemate if not Namor 6/10.

Originally posted by jrodslam
It really wouldnt be the accurate thing to say Namor is a better fighter. Theres no doubt that hes much more experienced, BUT it doesnt make him a better h2h combatant. If you think of all the powerhouses Namor has fought from Hulk, Abomination, Hercules, Thing, Rhino, etc, Namor always slugs it out. Ofcourse hes also faster than them, but then again he hardly ever uses his speed when fighting them. Hes not tactful about it at all. Just start slugging away. If he were to fight Colossus, it WILL be a slug fest, plain and simple.

But even when slugging it out, you can use skill. It's true that Namor favors old fashioned slugfest more then fancy martial arts, but it doesn't mean that he does not possess fighting skills. Namor CAN do stuff that is silent or effective:
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Most of the time, he uses his own particular fighting style, which is kind of a mix of boxing/wrestling. But he still has skill in that style. Punching something doesn't mean that you can't punch something in effective way.

And having more experience does usually mean that you are more skilled. Hence, someone who has studied fighting for ten years will usually school someone who has studied it for one year.

Originally posted by jrodslam
If Namor has a way to keep wet via suit or water, id give him the edge due to slight h2h speed and take into fact that hed probably land more hit on Colossus than vise versa eventually tire and lose. Theres no way hed beat Colossus quick, . If Namor just starts out wet, but has no way to stay at 100%, hedso thats out of the question. The fight would be like any other fight with a powerhouse. A stalemate if not Namor 6/10.

I'll still say that if he's fighting to his fullest, Colossus has no means of touching him, where as Namor can land as many punches as he wants. Colossus can't take a beating like that for a long time, especially if Namor is targeting his head.

If he's wearing his black suit, he will be at full power. The suit recycles the moisture in his body. It is the costume that he currently wears in the comics.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
way.

And having more experience does usually mean that you are more skilled. Hence, someone who has studied fighting for ten years will usually school someone who has studied it for one year.



I just want to point out one thing here DC. When I was a freshman in H.S. I wrestled varsity by beating out a senior for the 140lb. weight class.

The guy I beat wrestled varsity for two years prior and I beat him. I beat him by tech. fall too.

What I'm trying to say experience does not always give somebody a edge.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But even when slugging it out, you can use skill. It's true that Namor favors old fashioned slugfest more then fancy martial arts, but it doesn't mean that he does not possess fighting skills. Namor CAN do stuff that is silent or effective:

Yes DC, but you have to also remember that Namor DID use force to beat Griffin. Griffing was pretty much manhandleing him until Namor threw him in the water and pounded him.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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Most of the time, he uses his own particular fighting style, which is kind of a mix of boxing/wrestling. But he still has skill in that style. Punching something doesn't mean that you can't punch something in effective way.

And having more experience does usually mean that you are more skilled. Hence, someone who has studied fighting for ten years will usually school someone who has studied it for one year.

All of those cans are against opponents who are no stronger than 25cl. Im not saying Namor doesnt possess the skills. Namor seems do only use skill(nerve hits and agility) when fighting lower strength tier characters than him. When fighting other powerhouses such as himself, he doesnt do that much. Its mostly slugging.

Sometimes having more experience means youre more skilled depending on what the skill is. Namor is probably more experienced than anyone in Marvel, but is he a more skilled h2h combatant than Captain America, Daredevil, Iron Fist? No. Hes well trained, but doesnt have the expertise and actual skills they have. Youre slightly right about someone who has trained in in fighting 10 years would school someone who has only trained 1 year in fighting. However, if someone trained for 50 years in general fighting and another trained for 25 years in a peticular style or two, they could just as easily school the other who has been training longer overal.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'll still say that if he's fighting to his fullest, Colossus has no means of touching him, where as Namor can land as many punches as he wants. Colossus can't take a beating like that for a long time, especially if Namor is targeting his head.

Id say that as well, but when Namor fights a powerhouse, he wants to establish that he overpowered them thus resulting to pounding and slugging. Barely using his spped.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If he's wearing his black suit, he will be at full power. The suit recycles the moisture in his body. It is the costume that he currently wears in the comics.

With that id give him the win more times than not.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I just want to point out one thing here DC. When I was a freshman in H.S. I wrestled varsity by beating out a senior for the 140lb. weight class.

The guy I beat wrestled varsity for two years prior and I beat him. I beat him by tech. fall too.

What I'm trying to say experience does not always give somebody a edge.

But when you have more then ten times the experience of another, it usually does.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Yes DC, but you have to also remember that Namor DID use force to beat Griffin. Griffing was pretty much manhandleing him until Namor threw him in the water and pounded him.

Not really, they were pretty much matched in the air. Namor seemed to be only a bit worried that the fight was taking too long.

Originally posted by jrodslam
All of those cans are against opponents who are no stronger than 25cl. Im not saying Namor doesnt possess the skills. Namor seems do only use skill(nerve hits and agility) when fighting lower strength tier characters than him. When fighting other powerhouses such as himself, he doesnt do that much. Its mostly slugging.

The guy who grapples Namor is comparable with Namor's strength.

But my poit was, that you can use skills with slugging. Namor's been doing that for many, many years, and he's learned way more then a trick or two. That is why a boxer is more formidable in combat then a weightlifter. Because they can punch with a right way. Namor has had seventy years to perfect his fighting style. He doesn't just punch blindly (unless he is at another of his rages).
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He slugs stuff, yes, but he does it with skill.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Sometimes having more experience means youre more skilled depending on what the skill is. Namor is probably more experienced than anyone in Marvel, but is he a more skilled h2h combatant than Captain America, Daredevil, Iron Fist? No. Hes well trained, but doesnt have the expertise and actual skills they have. Youre slightly right about someone who has trained in in fighting 10 years would school someone who has only trained 1 year in fighting. However, if someone trained for 50 years in general fighting and another trained for 25 years in a peticular style or two, they could just as easily school the other who has been training longer overal.

But someone who has trained 85 years as compared to someone who has trained roughly 5, has an immesurable edge when it comes to experience. You also forget the fact that Namor has had the best training that Atlantis could offer, and Atlantis is a warrior country.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Id say that as well, but when Namor fights a powerhouse, he wants to establish that he overpowered them thus resulting to pounding and slugging. Barely using his spped.

But since this is a forum fight, he can use his speed...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Not really, they were pretty much matched in the air. Namor seemed to be only a bit worried that the fight was taking too long.

Ehh. Id say that the Griffing had the slight edge in the air. Thas why Namor wanted to take him to the water.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The guy who grapples Namor is comparable with Namor's strength.

Was he? How much comparable?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But my poit was, that you can use skills with slugging. Namor's been doing that for many, many years, and he's learned way more then a trick or two. That is why a boxer is more formidable in combat then a weightlifter. Because they can punch with a right way. Namor has had seventy years to perfect his fighting style. He doesn't just punch blindly (unless he is at another of his rages).
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He slugs stuff, yes, but he does it with skill.

Im not saying you cant use skills with slugging. Its just that when Namor is slugging it out with another powerhouse he doesnt use skill much. Just the slugging part. I agree that Namor has learned many things over the years, however there are many whos h2h prowess is greater than his. Of all powerhouses id say hes top though, he just doesnt use it. I never said Namor punches blindly. I know hes a good combatant and very precise at it as well. Hes just not to technical with it.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But someone who has trained 85 years as compared to someone who has trained roughly 5, has an immesurable edge when it comes to experience. You also forget the fact that Namor has had the best training that Atlantis could offer, and Atlantis is a warrior country.

Theres not doubt that Namor has a huge experience edge over anyone he fights. However of those 80 years, how many people has he fought that has the skills like say Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Fist, Shang Chi? Not many. Theres some things even they can school him in when it comes to h2h combat. Just because they are more skilled in a certain area. Not saying that Namor isnt trained in the area, just not as adept as them. His experience, speed and durability can make up for his lack of skills in a certain area.

Of all powerhouses, Namor has the most experience and skill. However it doesnt mean its something he uses against them. Thats whats shown 9/10 when he fights another powerhouse.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Ehh. Id say that the Griffing had the slight edge in the air. Thas why Namor wanted to take him to the water.

Or maybe he wanted to finish it more quickly.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Was he? How much comparable?

Invaders #41 states that Namor is not neccesarily stronger then Master Man, but more savage and beats him with his speed and skill.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Im not saying you cant use skills with slugging. Its just that when Namor is slugging it out with another powerhouse he doesnt use skill much. Just the slugging part. I agree that Namor has learned many things over the years, however there are many whos h2h prowess is greater than his. Of all powerhouses id say hes top though, he just doesnt use it. I never said Namor punches blindly. I know hes a good combatant and very precise at it as well. Hes just not to technical with it.

Yes, and aren't his fighting skills what we were discussing here? You don't need to know all the fancy martial arts to be a superb combatant. You can't argue that wrestlers and boxers aren't good in fighting. Namor is a master of his own style of fighting, where as Daredevil beats him in the acrobatic style of fighting, and Captain America has his own combination of Judo and American Boxing. Namor is perfectly capable of being a thinking fighter against powerhouses when the situation requires it. For example, here he is clearly using his speed and agility to dodge Thor and hold the hand that has the Mjolnir so he couldn't smack him in the face with it.
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I just think that it isn't fair to say that Namor won't be able to utilize all of his fighting skills in this battle, while Colossus is.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Theres not doubt that Namor has a huge experience edge over anyone he fights. However of those 80 years, how many people has he fought that has the skills like say Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Fist, Shang Chi? Not many. Theres some things even they can school him in when it comes to h2h combat. Just because they are more skilled in a certain area. Not saying that Namor isnt trained in the area, just not as adept as them. His experience, speed and durability can make up for his lack of skills in a certain area.

Of all powerhouses, Namor has the most experience and skill. However it doesnt mean its something he uses against them. Thats whats shown 9/10 when he fights another powerhouse.

I never said that Namor is as good as Daredevil or any other martial arts centered character. But he is better then any of them in his own area of fighting.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Or maybe he wanted to finish it more quickly.

Maybe because he knew Griffin had the advantage due to fighting on his terms which was in the air.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Invaders #41 states that Namor is not neccesarily stronger then Master Man, but more savage and beats him with his speed and skill.

Ill concede.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yes, and aren't his fighting skills what we were discussing here? You don't need to know all the fancy martial arts to be a superb combatant. You can't argue that wrestlers and boxers aren't good in fighting. Namor is a master of his own style of fighting, where as Daredevil beats him in the acrobatic style of fighting, and Captain America has his own combination of Judo and American Boxing. Namor is perfectly capable of being a thinking fighter against powerhouses when the situation requires it. For example, here he is clearly using his speed and agility to dodge Thor and hold the hand that has the Mjolnir so he couldn't smack him in the face with it.
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I just think that it isn't fair to say that Namor won't be able to utilize all of his fighting skills in this battle, while Colossus is.

We are discussing fighting skills here, but were also talking about the attributes and skills that are used in combat. Youre talking about Namor's overall skills and what he has at his disposal. Im talking about what he actually uses in combat vs another powerhouse. Im not disagreeing with anything youre saying about his abilities and/or skills, but most of it wouldnt be presend against Colossus. Namor IS capable of being a thinking fighter against a powerhouse. But thats ONLY when he starts to get dehydrated or realizes that he cant outmuscle his opponent. When hes using his speed to dodge Thor, its natural for him because hes probably naturally faster than Thor AND hes fighting underwater to where Thor is less mobile as to where its Namors element. On land, theyd just go back and forth.

Im not saying that Namor WONT be able to use his fighting skills in battle vs Colossus. He could use them anytime he wishes. What i am saying is that he probably wouldnt use the skills and just decides to slug it out instead. Skills and smarts may come into play if a.) He starts to get dehydrated or b.) Realizes that Colossus is stronger than him and needs a way to beat him.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I never said that Namor is as good as Daredevil or any other martial arts centered character. But he is better then any of them in his own area of fighting.

Whats Namors area of fighting? I figure hes a brawler/grappler.

Either way, i think we pretty much agree for the most part. I just dont see Namor using much skill in battle vs Colossus besides slugging it out.

Originally posted by jrodslam

We are discussing fighting skills here, but were also talking about the attributes and skills that are used in combat. Youre talking about Namor's overall skills and what he has at his disposal. Im talking about what he actually uses in combat vs another powerhouse. Im not disagreeing with anything youre saying about his abilities and/or skills, but most of it wouldnt be presend against Colossus. Namor IS capable of being a thinking fighter against a powerhouse. But thats ONLY when he starts to get dehydrated or realizes that he cant outmuscle his opponent. When hes using his speed to dodge Thor, its natural for him because hes probably naturally faster than Thor AND hes fighting underwater to where Thor is less mobile as to where its Namors element. On land, theyd just go back and forth.

Im not saying that Namor WONT be able to use his fighting skills in battle vs Colossus. He could use them anytime he wishes. What i am saying is that he probably wouldnt use the skills and just decides to slug it out instead. Skills and smarts may come into play if a.) He starts to get dehydrated or b.) Realizes that Colossus is stronger than him and needs a way to beat him.

But slugging it out is part of Namor's style of fighting, and after thousands of fights where he has done so, he is extremely skilled in it. Like I've said before, every punch that he makes will not be aimed blindly, but in the right place. It might look that he is simply firing the punches everywhere, but with skills that have been honed for seventy years, this isn't the fact.

After all the examples of Namor's punching force I have seen, I find it hard to believe that he won't be able to beat the living crap out of Colossus (especially when he has been hurt by lesser forces). And after all the speed feats of Namor I have seen, I find it even harder to believe that Colossus will lay a hand on Namor. That is why Namor will win the fight, may it be a fight where they use all their fighting skills, or just a simple slugfest. Because Namor's experience on both types of fighting dwarf those of Colossus, and he has faced opponents that are many times more powerful with Colossus. And Colossus has never faced anyone of Namor's calibre.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler


After all the examples of Namor's punching force I have seen, I find it hard to believe that he won't be able to beat the living crap out of Colossus (especially when he has been hurt by lesser forces). And after Wasn't Namor knocked out from Caps shield? Or wasn't he sliced open from Wolveirne?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wasn't Namor knocked out from Caps shield? Or wasn't he sliced open from Wolveirne?

He was only sliced open from Wolverine after he had stabbed him (which has a lot more force then slashing). And Namor didn't fight like Namor in the issue anyway.

And Namor was only knocked out by Cap's shield by Thing. And prior that shield knocking out, Namor had been brainwashed, fought Iron Man and was dehydrated by Human Torch.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He was only sliced open from Wolverine after he had stabbed him (which has a lot more force then slashing). And Namor didn't fight like Namor in the issue anyway.

And Namor was only knocked out by Cap's shield by Thing. And prior that shield knocking out, Namor had been brainwashed, fought Iron Man and was dehydrated by Human Torch. Didn't She-Hulk knock him on his @ss@(Teenage or not)

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Didn't She-Hulk knock him on his @ss@(Teenage or not) She dropped an object on him.

And I refuse to believe that the...guy...in that comic was Namor.
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NAMOR DOES NOT TALK OR ACT LIKE THAT!

the front of a train(the engine) weights about 150 tons
each car weights about 35 tons, there were 10 in the scan
thats a 450 ton train.

now how much strength is needed to stop a 450 ton object going at 100mph dead in its tracks?
who knows how to do math?

if hydrated than namor ftw
otherwise namor loses

Colossus tries to seduce him.