Namor vs. Colossus

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Wonder Man
Who the man

samishe
Oreginal Colossus is the man!
Ultimate Colossus isn't. sad

DarkCrawler
Namor gets the majority. Since he is stronger, faster, better fighter and smarter.

soleran30
LOL this is another one of those fights I WISH namor would just fly colossus over the marriana trench and dump him down theresmile Sure he might survive the INSANE pressure but it would take him a LONG LONG time to get outta there pitch black cold haha! Trench Colossus!

CaptainStoic
Namor is no longer stronger than Collosus Marvel said that he is now class 100 and beyond enabling him to bench far more than 100 tonnes even in water namor is a little less than this, I say in water Namor has the win, but on Land Collossus will break him.

inamilist
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Namor is no longer stronger than Collosus Marvel said that he is now class 100 and beyond enabling him to bench far more than 100 tonnes even in water namor is a little less than this, I say in water Namor has the win, but on Land Collossus will break him.

sick em DC

TheKahn
Originally posted by inamilist
sick em DC

yes

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Namor is no longer stronger than Collosus Marvel said that he is now class 100 and beyond enabling him to bench far more than 100 tonnes even in water namor is a little less than this, I say in water Namor has the win, but on Land Collossus will break him.

Namor is Class 100.

Don't believe the handbooks. Believe the comics. I could show you multiple scans that prove this, or you can take my word.

Sorry if I sound cynical, but I need to explain this to every new member, and wouldn't want to show the scans over and ov...

Oh, what the heck.

Namor lifts an 3000 ton Destroyer like nothing:
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4655/hulk1998p266qo.jpg

Pushes an freighter to shore, they weigh between 10,000 - 50,000 tons.
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2245/namorfeat650mp.gif

Another time he pushes a similar freighter to shore:
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat902ny.gif
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat910lv.gif
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat921ig.gif
http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat934wu.gif

Throws an 50 ton tank miles up in air and hits an plane:
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/7325/namorfeat393lr.gif

Breaks the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak:
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/9749/namorfeat19rb.gif
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4775/namorfeat23wb.gif

Lifts an 48,000 ton submarine:
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/namorfeat123.gif

Lifts an tanker that weighs almost 200,000 tons.
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/2802/namorfeat220rx.gif

Oh yeah, and knocks out the Hulk.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg

spetznaz
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor is Class 100.

Don't believe the handbooks. Believe the comics. I could show you multiple scans that prove this, or you can take my word.

Sorry if I sound cynical, but I need to explain this to every new member, and wouldn't want to show the scans over and ov...

Oh, what the heck.

Namor lifts an 3000 ton Destroyer like nothing:
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4655/hulk1998p266qo.jpg

Pushes an freighter to shore, they weigh between 10,000 - 50,000 tons.
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2245/namorfeat650mp.gif

Another time he pushes a similar freighter to shore:
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat902ny.gif
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat910lv.gif
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat921ig.gif
http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat934wu.gif

Throws an 50 ton tank miles up in air and hits an plane:
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/7325/namorfeat393lr.gif

Breaks the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak:
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/9749/namorfeat19rb.gif
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4775/namorfeat23wb.gif

Lifts an 48,000 ton submarine:
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/namorfeat123.gif

Lifts an tanker that weighs almost 200,000 tons.
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/2802/namorfeat220rx.gif

Oh yeah, and knocks out the Hulk.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg

Hi DC.
It appears to me that you might very well be the most over-worked member in KMC. You constantly have to defend Namor in matchups that shouldn't require any such defence. In most cases it should be clearly evident that Namor is the winner, but sadly there are many here who think Wolverine (to use the example of a past Namor vs thread) can win against Namor (I believe that was also a thread you had to step in and educate certain posters).
I have to give you props ....you consistently stand by your guy.
I think I'd personally go insane if I had to constantly defend a clearly superior character from posters who think Wolverine would triumph over him.

Who knows .....maybe next you'll have to defend Namor from someone who thinks that the Rhino can score a win.

Anyways, good job DC.

Hopefully in the future people will read up on Namor before they say folks like wolvie stand a chance.

King_Mungi
Hey now what about me? I informed people about a rag team group and showed how uber they really are. I'm hard-working sad

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by spetznaz
Hi DC.
It appears to me that you might very well be the most over-worked member in KMC. You constantly have to defend Namor in matchups that shouldn't require any such defence. In most cases it should be clearly evident that Namor is the winner, but sadly there are many here who think Wolverine (to use the example of a past Namor vs thread) can win against Namor (I believe that was also a thread you had to step in and educate certain posters).
I have to give you props ....you consistently stand by your guy.
I think I'd personally go insane if I had to constantly defend a clearly superior character from posters who think Wolverine would triumph over him.

Who knows .....maybe next you'll have to defend Namor from someone who thinks that the Rhino can score a win.

Anyways, good job DC.

Hopefully in the future people will read up on Namor before they say folks like wolvie stand a chance.

Thank you. big grin

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Hey now what about me? I informed people about a rag team group and showed how uber they really are. I'm hard-working sad

Yeah, but you did it TOO successfully. Now I almost automatically think that Alpha Flight wins, no matter what...damn Canadian mind-control techniques...

inamilist
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, but you did it TOO successfully. Now I almost automatically think that Alpha Flight wins, no matter what...damn Canadian mind-control techniques...

ya, i agree here

i think i'd have a lot of trouble comming up with a reasonable opponent for alpha flight now, Mungi you have done your shit

Im really glad that certain non mainstream characters get respect here, and have people to show how powerful they are

DC, Mungi, anyone else

Cheers to you!!

TheKahn
Originally posted by inamilist
ya, i agree here

i think i'd have a lot of trouble comming up with a reasonable opponent for alpha flight now, Mungi you have done your shit

Im really glad that certain non mainstream characters get respect here, and have people to show how powerful they are

DC, Mungi, anyone else

Cheers to you!!

clappingcheers rock thumbup1

the Darkone
Originally posted by spetznaz
Hi DC.
It appears to me that you might very well be the most over-worked member in KMC. You constantly have to defend Namor in matchups that shouldn't require any such defence. In most cases it should be clearly evident that Namor is the winner, but sadly there are many here who think Wolverine (to use the example of a past Namor vs thread) can win against Namor (I believe that was also a thread you had to step in and educate certain posters).
I have to give you props ....you consistently stand by your guy.
I think I'd personally go insane if I had to constantly defend a clearly superior character from posters who think Wolverine would triumph over him.

Who knows .....maybe next you'll have to defend Namor from someone who thinks that the Rhino can score a win.

Anyways, good job DC.

Hopefully in the future people will read up on Namor before they say folks like wolvie stand a chance.

thumb up cosign

snoopdogg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor gets the majority. Since he is stronger, faster, better fighter and smarter. I agree with him being faster and possibly stronger. But a better fighter I dont not agree with or even smarter.

You'll have to prove this. shifty

JohnR
Namor wins 7-8/10, but Colossus is strong enough and skilled enough to pull off a couple of wins

h1a8
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor is Class 100.

Don't believe the handbooks. Believe the comics. I could show you multiple scans that prove this, or you can take my word.

Sorry if I sound cynical, but I need to explain this to every new member, and wouldn't want to show the scans over and ov...

Oh, what the heck.

Namor lifts an 3000 ton Destroyer like nothing:
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4655/hulk1998p266qo.jpg

Pushes an freighter to shore, they weigh between 10,000 - 50,000 tons.
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2245/namorfeat650mp.gif

Another time he pushes a similar freighter to shore:
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat902ny.gif
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat910lv.gif
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat921ig.gif
http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat934wu.gif

Throws an 50 ton tank miles up in air and hits an plane:
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/7325/namorfeat393lr.gif

Breaks the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak:
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/9749/namorfeat19rb.gif
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4775/namorfeat23wb.gif

Lifts an 48,000 ton submarine:
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/namorfeat123.gif

Lifts an tanker that weighs almost 200,000 tons.
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/2802/namorfeat220rx.gif

Oh yeah, and knocks out the Hulk.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2563/incrediblehulk118187ji.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3936/incrediblehulk118195ly.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9269/incrediblehulk118200el.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4384/incrediblehulk118211kg.jpg

Sorry to be critical. Some of your scans are no good. Such as him lifting boats under the water. He wouldn't need to lift the full weight of the boat or sub for two reasons.
1. These things already have an existing bouyant upward force in them (especially the sub)
2. It is a lot easier to lift things in water than out of water.

Also the scans where namor is pushing the boats and things are not the same as lifting. F=ma . This means that even a small force can move the most massive of objects required that it has the time to accelerate.
The friction force in water is very small indeed. Note: some of your weights are also wrong (such as the freighter weighing 200,000 tons. it actually weighs closer to 5,000tons-most likely less though). But this doesn't matter anyway by the above reasons.

The only credible scans are throwing a 50ton tank, breaking crimson bands, and knocking out the hulk, and lifting the destroyer.

But wait a minute. I believe these are PIS.
This is because if you look at those scans it shows very different looks of namor. Meaning that these events happened in many years apart. This shows the rarity of the events. To not be PIS then feats must occur more frequently than these in which they not contradict other comic feats (like namor struggling to lift something under 100tons).

Lastly, Namor possesses the power of flight. This power enables him to lift things much greater than he can without it. I'm not saying that namor used any power of flight in your scans. I'm justing saying this in case you post any new scans with him flying with an object of more than 100tons. Marvel says namor strength is up to 100tons because they are referring to his unflight strength and the consistency of all the comics he is written in.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry to be critical. Some of your scans are no good. Such as him lifting boats under the water. He wouldn't need to lift the full weight of the boat or sub for two reasons.
1. These things already have an existing bouyant upward force in them (especially the sub)
2. It is a lot easier to lift things in water than out of water.

Also the scans where namor is pushing the boats and things are not the same as lifting. F=ma . This means that even a small force can move the most massive of objects required that it has the time to accelerate.
The friction force in water is very small indeed. Note: some of your weights are also wrong (such as the freighter weighing 200,000 tons. it actually weighs closer to 5,000tons-most likely less though). But this doesn't matter anyway by the above reasons.

The only credible scans are throwing a 50ton tank, breaking crimson bands, and knocking out the hulk, and lifting the destroyer.

But wait a minute. I believe these are PIS.
This is because if you look at those scans it shows very different looks of namor. Meaning that these events happened in many years apart. This shows the rarity of the events. To not be PIS then feats must occur more frequently than these in which they not contradict other comic feats (like namor struggling to lift something under 100tons).

Lastly, Namor possesses the power of flight. This power enables him to lift things much greater than he can without it. I'm not saying that namor used any power of flight in your scans. I'm justing saying this in case you post any new scans with him flying with an object of more than 100tons. Marvel says namor strength is up to 100tons because they are referring to his unflight strength and the consistency of all the comics he is written in. WOW!. I thought I was the only one who noticed that.

Nice to see I am not alone in that.

soujaboy09
Wonder what Dc will say now?

batdude123
^ God only knows what!

snoopdogg
Originally posted by batdude123
^ God only knows what! I aswell as others have pointed those things out to him before but he laughed at me.

jrodslam
Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry to be critical. Some of your scans are no good. Such as him lifting boats under the water. He wouldn't need to lift the full weight of the boat or sub for two reasons.
1. These things already have an existing bouyant upward force in them (especially the sub)
2. It is a lot easier to lift things in water than out of water.

In some of those scans the sunken ships or boats were immobile. It was Namor that got them into motion from being stationary. On you second point i agree with you. It is easier to lift things in water. However, its also easier to be pulled down in water as well, so its a balance. When lifting the destroyer, Namor held it above his head as well as swim upwards with it. If youre in water and holding a 2,000lb steel sphere, it would make you sink without a doubt.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also the scans where namor is pushing the boats and things are not the same as lifting. F=ma . This means that even a small force can move the most massive of objects required that it has the time to accelerate.

Id be inclined to agree with you on the pushing feats. The freighters were pretty much already afloat and wouldnt require much effort in moving them. The submarine wasnt afloat though and was purely sunken. Namor lifted it from the bottom and then pushed it back to the top. Those are 2 different scenarios.

Originally posted by h1a8
The friction force in water is very small indeed. Note: some of your weights are also wrong (such as the freighter weighing 200,000 tons. it actually weighs closer to 5,000tons-most likely less though). But this doesn't matter anyway by the above reasons.

DC never stated the freighter was 200,00 tons. Its the oil tanker that weighs that much. Empty tankers weigh from 120,000 tons. Tankers WITH oil weigh well over 180,000 tons.

Originally posted by h1a8
But wait a minute. I believe these are PIS.
This is because if you look at those scans it shows very different looks of namor. Meaning that these events happened in many years apart. This shows the rarity of the events. To not be PIS then feats must occur more frequently than these in which they not contradict other comic feats (like namor struggling to lift something under 100tons).

Youre calling his feats PIS because they dont happen more frequent? They are feats. When has he struggled to lift something under 100 tons? Did he fail at it? If not then it really isnt relevant if he struggled. I dont know why they would be considered PIS when there are a few 100cl characters that dont have many lifting feats. Juggernaugt hardly has any. Thor and Hercules only have a few.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Hey now what about me? I informed people about a rag team group and showed how uber they really are. I'm hard-working sad



Dude...


They're DEAD...


confused

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Dude...


They're DEAD...


confused

No their not, there are two teams of Alpha Flight the actual team which is in space and temporal copies which were in NA #16. Also interviews from Joe Q stated they are not dead.

outarddwarf
Originally posted by spetznaz
Hi DC.
It appears to me that you might very well be the most over-worked member in KMC. You constantly have to defend Namor in matchups that shouldn't require any such defence. In most cases it should be clearly evident that Namor is the winner, but sadly there are many here who think Wolverine (to use the example of a past Namor vs thread) can win against Namor (I believe that was also a thread you had to step in and educate certain posters).
I have to give you props ....you consistently stand by your guy.
I think I'd personally go insane if I had to constantly defend a clearly superior character from posters who think Wolverine would triumph over him.

Who knows .....maybe next you'll have to defend Namor from someone who thinks that the Rhino can score a win.

Anyways, good job DC.

Hopefully in the future people will read up on Namor before they say folks like wolvie stand a chance.

Hey i got DC's back, as a matter of fact i don't even think he had to post in this one, i handled that mess! cool
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=395759&highlight=namor+versus+sandman

snoopdogg
Most of those scans are Namor doing stuff in the water anyways. Most people would agree that Namor takes most anybody in the water. So they are kinda null imo.

soleran30
Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry to be critical. Some of your scans are no good. Such as him lifting boats under the water. He wouldn't need to lift the full weight of the boat or sub for two reasons.
1. These things already have an existing bouyant upward force in them (especially the sub)
2. It is a lot easier to lift things in water than out of water.

Also the scans where namor is pushing the boats and things are not the same as lifting. F=ma . This means that even a small force can move the most massive of objects required that it has the time to accelerate.
The friction force in water is very small indeed. Note: some of your weights are also wrong (such as the freighter weighing 200,000 tons. it actually weighs closer to 5,000tons-most likely less though). But this doesn't matter anyway by the above reasons.

The only credible scans are throwing a 50ton tank, breaking crimson bands, and knocking out the hulk, and lifting the destroyer.

But wait a minute. I believe these are PIS.
This is because if you look at those scans it shows very different looks of namor. Meaning that these events happened in many years apart. This shows the rarity of the events. To not be PIS then feats must occur more frequently than these in which they not contradict other comic feats (like namor struggling to lift something under 100tons).

Lastly, Namor possesses the power of flight. This power enables him to lift things much greater than he can without it. I'm not saying that namor used any power of flight in your scans. I'm justing saying this in case you post any new scans with him flying with an object of more than 100tons. Marvel says namor strength is up to 100tons because they are referring to his unflight strength and the consistency of all the comics he is written in.


I always appreciate a well thought piece good jobsmile On that note however comic physics don't exist so much otherwise most super heavy objects picked up would collapse on themselvssad Not to mention when picking up objects in the water that break the surface still create surface tension and not a true weight to lift so you have to overcome surface tension and well as the weight itself.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No their not, there are two teams of Alpha Flight the actual team which is in space and temporal copies which were in NA #16. Also interviews from Joe Q stated they are not dead.




Also—please know that all of Alpha Flight haven’t actually died.



Isn't he just saying that not all of alpha flight is dead meaning there could be 1 or 2 still alive...


confused


It's a weird statement to be honest.

spideycarnage
finally namor gets a thread where he's not gettong smashed.. namor wins all the time both agaist classic colossus, and 8/10 against ulitmate.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by spideycarnage
finally namor gets a thread where he's not gettong smashed.. namor wins all the time both agaist classic colossus, and 8/10 against ulitmate. You think Namor wins 10/10? In water I might agree but on dry land I do not.

Colossus can match his strength but he has Namor beat on durability and fighting skills.

On dry land I say 50/50.

spideycarnage
namor should win, on land they match up strenght pretty evenlly, namor is faster and he can fly also. colossus duribality can only last so long, ok namor agaist classic colossus 9/10

snoopdogg
Originally posted by spideycarnage
namor should win, on land they match up strenght pretty evenlly, namor is faster and he can fly also. colossus duribality can only last so long, ok namor agaist classic colossus 9/10 Flying isn't really gonna be a advantage actually.

Here he survives a drop over 1 mile high. When he landed the explsion left a crater 1/2 mile in diameter.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossuskickingss.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossuskickingss2.jpg

Rougue uses Colossus as a batterin ram to smash a huge concrete wall. She was even pushing him straight down. Check out the crater the impact left.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandRogue2.jpg

Still say 50/50 on land.

CaptainStoic
Well I guess your right DC I can't argue with facts about Namors feats even if they contridict the very character in question, I know that I can bench 205 lbs for ten repetions but there is no way that I can bench a car, my point here is that his strength is inconsistent with his stats and Marvel need to fix it up that their characters that can only lift 85 tonnes remain in that range I can understand characters like Thor being able to lift in excess of 100+ tonnes this keeps it vague not truly giving away how much the fictional character can really lift but 85 tonnes is something different it doesn't hit the unknown barrier, I do undersatnd that in water Namor can lift in the range of 100 tonnes but I imagine if he can it's not much more than 100 tonnes being that his base total is only 85 tonnes... I need to remind you that when Namor fought Hercules who was truly in the 100+ tonne class was thrown all over the place Colossus is no longer in the 75-80 tonne range as he is in his prime as an adult.... Marvel just has some cleaning up to do, I stand firm on land Colossus would most likely win because like Snoop said his body armor is better, but in water Namor will take him no questions about it.... Oh! does anyone remember The Hulk beating up on the combined team that composed of Doc. Samson, Wonder Man, Iron Man, Hercules (immortal form), and yours truly Namor? it just goe to show that in water Namor is really tough, but on land he's just mediocre at best. Don't get mad at me though, get mad at marvel.

CaptainStoic
Because of his unusual genetic heritage, Namor is unique among both ordinary humans and Atlanteans; he is sometimes referred to as "Marvel's first mutant," because, while the majority of his observed superhuman powers come from the fact that he's a hybrid of Human and Atlantean DNA, his ability to fly can't be explained by either side. (Atlanteans are an off-shoot of "baseline" humanity.) Namor has superhuman strength and is the strongest Atlantean ever, with a lift capacity of 85 tons (Source: Official Marvel.com Website, 2005: http://www.marvel.com/universe/index.htm ) and slightly more while submerged. Official Marvel Handbook, Avengers 2004 lists his strength level as 100 tons. Namor has lifted more than this numerous times, though.



Does anyone see any contradictions here?!!?

spideycarnage
namor is pretty durable http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2039/namorfeat367wt.giftoo.
try that, he takes a shot from thors Mjolnir, and is still standing

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6527/namorfeat295yp.gif
Namor takes a equilavent of miniature nuke straight into face (He was holding it) and is only minorly stunned. The impact hurled him into sea.

all form darkcrawler

he's proablly just as duribale as colossus.

CaptainStoic
Oh and how in the world did Aquaman survive a punch that not only leveled the Hulk but knocked him into Banner mode? (Marvel vs DC)!
Can Aquaman take The Hulk? please don't answer it was a joke.

snoopdogg
I'll agree Namor is hella durable. But I don't think he is more durable than a guy made out of steel.

In this scan Colossus' body is less mangled than guys like Thor, Hulk and Thing. It's from Secret Wars #9. Doom killed all of Earths heroes but Colossus was brought back cause his body was in better shape than everybody elses.

Hit and Run
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Well I guess your right DC I can't argue with facts about Namors feats even if they contridict the very character in question, I know that I can bench 205 lbs for ten repetions but there is no way that I can bench a car, my point here is that his strength is inconsistent with his stats and Marvel need to fix it up that their characters that can only lift 85 tonnes remain in that range I can understand characters like Thor being able to lift in excess of 100+ tonnes this keeps it vague not truly giving away how much the fictional character can really lift but 85 tonnes is something different it doesn't hit the unknown barrier, I do undersatnd that in water Namor can lift in the range of 100 tonnes but I imagine if he can it's not much more than 100 tonnes being that his base total is only 85 tonnes... I need to remind you that when Namor fought Hercules who was truly in the 100+ tonne class was thrown all over the place Colossus is no longer in the 75-80 tonne range as he is in his prime as an adult.... Marvel just has some cleaning up to do, I stand firm on land Colossus would most likely win because like Snoop said his body armor is better, but in water Namor will take him no questions about it.... Oh! does anyone remember The Hulk beating up on the combined team that composed of Doc. Samson, Wonder Man, Iron Man, Hercules (immortal form), and yours truly Namor? it just goe to show that in water Namor is really tough, but on land he's just mediocre at best. Don't get mad at me though, get mad at marvel.
The whole Class 85 thing is crap, as DC has shown numerous times. At his peak, Namor is EASILY Class 100 and one of the strongest heroes on Marvel Earth.

This is why I hate Marvel ratings, because they often go against consistent feats. Namor is listed as Class 85 when he has llifted far heavier objects. Base Hulk is listed as Class 75 when he has moved tectonic plates and braced a mountain at his base. Wonder Man is listed as Class 95 when he has shown to be a couple of notches below Thor.

Also, the whole fight scene with Hulk and the other heroes isn't a good indication of Namor's strength because of two things: Namor was sapped of his strength from being in the desert for so long and it was Mindless Hulk they fought, quite possibly the strongest Hulk incarnation.

Even if these two fight on land, I would assume that namor would be fresh from the water or wearing his current black suit and thus, at his peak.

CaptainStoic
You didn'y just say that namor could beat the Hulk did you? Lol... I'm just playing... but I could imagine The Hulk would smash any Namor on land... Black suit Green undies whatever....any bets? Happy Dance

DarkCrawler
God Damn....lot of quite ignorant things to correct here.

Seems like I never should sleep. I'll be back in a minute.

soleran30
Originally posted by snoopdogg
You think Namor wins 10/10? In water I might agree but on dry land I do not.

Colossus can match his strength but he has Namor beat on durability and fighting skills.

On dry land I say 50/50.

Namor wouldn't even need to fight Colossus in the water he would just be a weight and fall to the bottom of the ocean all Namor would do is take him to a REALLY deep part let him fall and try to get his way out of a super dark hole in the ocean lol

On the ground Namor should win more often then naught however I feel ok with something like 7/10 Namor

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry to be critical. Some of your scans are no good. Such as him lifting boats under the water. He wouldn't need to lift the full weight of the boat or sub for two reasons.
1. These things already have an existing bouyant upward force in them (especially the sub)
2. It is a lot easier to lift things in water than out of water.

1. Actually, Namor has lifted things miles down from the ocean before. So not all their feats have bouyancy on them.

2. Not when you are lot under sea level. Imagine the pressure and the water he has to displace in order to lift all those things.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also the scans where namor is pushing the boats and things are not the same as lifting. F=ma . This means that even a small force can move the most massive of objects required that it has the time to accelerate.
The friction force in water is very small indeed. Note: some of your weights are also wrong (such as the freighter weighing 200,000 tons. it actually weighs closer to 5,000tons-most likely less though). But this doesn't matter anyway by the above reasons.

The tanker weighed 200,000 tons. Not the freighter.

And have you ever tried to push something that weighs far more then you while swimming? Your points would be valid if he had footing, but he actually has to use his leg muscles to overcome the weight. It's far harder to push something when you don't have any footing.

Originally posted by h1a8
The only credible scans are throwing a 50ton tank, breaking crimson bands, and knocking out the hulk, and lifting the destroyer.

Not really.

Originally posted by h1a8
But wait a minute. I believe these are PIS.
This is because if you look at those scans it shows very different looks of namor. Meaning that these events happened in many years apart. This shows the rarity of the events. To not be PIS then feats must occur more frequently than these in which they not contradict other comic feats (like namor struggling to lift something under 100tons).

No, it actually shows that his strength hasn't been lessened at all over the years, and he can perform these feats when he has the need. Which he doesn't often, since he isn't character that goes around looking for big things to lift and such. He is a monarch, and he has a kingdom to take for. It would be PIS if it happened one time.

Multiple times? No.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lastly, Namor possesses the power of flight. This power enables him to lift things much greater than he can without it. I'm not saying that namor used any power of flight in your scans. I'm justing saying this in case you post any new scans with him flying with an object of more than 100tons. Marvel says namor strength is up to 100tons because they are referring to his unflight strength and the consistency of all the comics he is written in.

Yeah...it's just that Namor has done feats greater then up to 100 tons BEFORE and AFTER handbooks were written. His strength is not up to 100 tons, but far greater. And about none of his strength feats are helped by flight.

Namor doesn't contradict handbooks. Handbooks contradict Namor.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
You think Namor wins 10/10? In water I might agree but on dry land I do not.

Colossus can match his strength but he has Namor beat on durability and fighting skills.

On dry land I say 50/50.

Durability, perhaps, strength, Colossus has never done a strength feat equal to Namor, fighting skills, I have already proven you wrong multiple times. Both Namor's fighting skills, training and fighting experience outclass Colossus so much that it isn't even funny.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Flying isn't really gonna be a advantage actually.

Here he survives a drop over 1 mile high. When he landed the explsion left a crater 1/2 mile in diameter.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossuskickingss.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossuskickingss2.jpg

Rougue uses Colossus as a batterin ram to smash a huge concrete wall. She was even pushing him straight down. Check out the crater the impact left.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandRogue2.jpg

Still say 50/50 on land.

That doesn't prove that he is more durable at all. Namor has survived FAR longer drops.
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Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Well I guess your right DC I can't argue with facts about Namors feats even if they contridict the very character in question, I know that I can bench 205 lbs for ten repetions but there is no way that I can bench a car, my point here is that his strength is inconsistent with his stats and Marvel need to fix it up that their characters that can only lift 85 tonnes remain in that range I can understand characters like Thor being able to lift in excess of 100+ tonnes this keeps it vague not truly giving away how much the fictional character can really lift but 85 tonnes is something different it doesn't hit the unknown barrier, I do undersatnd that in water Namor can lift in the range of 100 tonnes but I imagine if he can it's not much more than 100 tonnes being that his base total is only 85 tonnes... I need to remind you that when Namor fought Hercules who was truly in the 100+ tonne class was thrown all over the place Colossus is no longer in the 75-80 tonne range as he is in his prime as an adult.... Marvel just has some cleaning up to do, I stand firm on land Colossus would most likely win because like Snoop said his body armor is better, but in water Namor will take him no questions about it.... Oh! does anyone remember The Hulk beating up on the combined team that composed of Doc. Samson, Wonder Man, Iron Man, Hercules (immortal form), and yours truly Namor? it just goe to show that in water Namor is really tough, but on land he's just mediocre at best. Don't get mad at me though, get mad at marvel.

"Yeah...it's just that Namor has done feats greater then up to 100 tons BEFORE and AFTER handbooks were written. His strength is not up to 100 tons, but far greater. And about none of his strength feats are helped by flight.

Namor doesn't contradict handbooks. Handbooks contradict Namor. "

soleran30
LOL

"Namor doesn't contradict handbooks. Handbooks contradict Namor."

only because Namor uses Tobasco for eyedrops when they dry out!

I would still like Namor to do something ridiculous to Colussus just to humiliate him in comics.

AJ4LIFE
i say namor 10 out of 10, theres a reason why hes always in a 2nd class team like x-men. its cause he cant tangle with the big boys like namor

samishe
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
i say namor 10 out of 10, theres a reason why hes always in a 2nd class team like x-men. its cause he cant tangle with the big boys like namor

X-man second class team? What the f**k?

Well he fought Juggs. Colossus is now class 100. isn't he?

AJ4LIFE
the x-men are 2nd class compared to avengers and so on, maybe collassus is beter now but i say he still isnt good enough to take on namor

samishe
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
the x-men are 2nd class compared to avengers and so on, maybe collassus is beter now but i say he still isnt good enough to take on namor

X-men isn't second class team.


they have iceman, shadowcat, clossus and Wolverine. AND STORM.
These guys are definitely not second class team.

And yes Namor beats Colossus.

AJ4LIFE
iceman, is 2nd class, shadowcat is bottum class, i think and worlver is top class i think, he has tangled and beat the big boys on more than one ocasion

samishe
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
iceman, is 2nd class, shadowcat is bottum class, i think and worlver is top class i think, he has tangled and beat the big boys on more than one ocasion

Do you know what iceman and shadowcat capable of? Check their respect thread.

AJ4LIFE
i wouldnt want to waste my time

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
iceman, is 2nd class, shadowcat is bottum class, i think and worlver is top class i think, he has tangled and beat the big boys on more than one ocasion

You think that Iceman is 2nd class, but Wolverine is 1st class?

What the f**k?

AJ4LIFE
well the last time i saw iceman i was not impressed, but worler has always impressed me, i think he can fight almost anyone

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
well the last time i saw iceman i was not impressed, but worler has always impressed me, i think he can fight almost anyone

Iceman is a omega mutant. He can't be killed. He can exist as water vapor. He can slow down your molecules to absolute zero.
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforeverdrake2yu.jpg
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He's so much beyond Wolverine that it cannot be comprehended.

AJ4LIFE
wo he is ver impressive, when did he become so powerful

samishe
I may be wrong but i think it wasn't canon comix when iceman was omega iceman.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by samishe
I may be wrong but i think it wasn't canon comix when iceman was omega iceman.

Him being a omega is canon.

AJ4LIFE
got any proof, im not calling u a lier i just want to know

samishe
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Him being a omega is canon.

OK then.

AJ4LIFE
maybe we should get back on topic

outarddwarf
In the fighting skill department Namor is better if not Extremely better than colossus. strength is about a level playing feild. Durablity i give to colossus. Speed to Namor. Manuverability namor (he moves well under water in the air and on the ground). Reflexes, Namor, the guy catches missles for crying out loud, experience goes to namor as well considering he was like the first charactor marvel ever had.

NAMOR 10/10

AJ4LIFE
Originally posted by outarddwarf
In the fighting skill department Namor is better if not Extremely better than colossus. strength is about a level playing feild. Durablity i give to colossus. Speed to Namor. Manuverability namor (he moves well under water in the air and on the ground). Reflexes, Namor, the guy catches missles for crying out loud, experience goes to namor as well considering he was like the first charactor marvel ever had.

NAMOR 10/10

notworthy

TheKahn
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
got any proof, im not calling u a lier i just want to know

Iceman was identified as a omega mutant in the limited series X-Men: Forever
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-Level_Mutant

Black Adam
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
well the last time i saw iceman i was not impressed, but worler has always impressed me, i think he can fight almost anyone

sick

Black Adam
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
the x-men are 2nd class compared to avengers and so on, maybe collassus is beter now but i say he still isnt good enough to take on namor

x-men? 2nd class?

WTF?!!!

AJ4LIFE
cool thanks, i dont reckon thei that good, but when kyle fighted him in jla vs x-men was he omega

i got my opinion adam dont judge

snoopdogg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler





Durability, perhaps, strength, Colossus has never done a strength feat equal to Namor, fighting skills, I have already proven you wrong multiple times. Both Namor's fighting skills, training and fighting experience outclass Colossus so much that it isn't even funny.



You proved me wrong? Yea right. The only people you convinced are the 14 yr. olds who do not know anybetter. Like it or not Colossus has a level 4 rating in fighting. Namor has a 3. MARVEL themselves said Colossus is a better fighter. He's trained everday since he was a teenager in the highest tech training facility in Marvel with Shi'ar tech. THE DANGER ROOM!

So please prove me that Namor is a better fighter. And to say Namor outclasses him in fighting so much it isn't funny indicates that you might be considered a #*!(&^. big grin I'll agree Namor is faster and possibly stronger. But I think Colossus is more durable and a better fighter. And I am not gonna be like you and say that Colossus is so far ahead of Namor in those areas it's not even funny. Like jrod mentioned about Juggernaut not having many strength feats but everyone knows how strong he is but neither does Colossus.

Colossus has used his fighting skills to beat guys that are stronger than him.

soujaboy09
Im 14, and I dont think Namor would win this fight! lol

Na though, I really dont think that on land Namor would win this fight. You may scream PIS, but a younger Colossus once went toe to toe, to the peak with Gladiator. A character I find a lot stronger than Namor, any ways namor would lose, because there on land. As Namor fights and gets weaker Colossus stays strong.


Oh yea, and can someone go to the Juggernaut respcet thread, and post Juggernaut strength feats? I know about his durability feats, but I would like for somone to post his strength feats.
If this were water Namor would win, but this is Colossus at his peak.

spideycarnage
Originally posted by snoopdogg
You proved me wrong? Yea right. The only people you convinced are the 14 yr. olds who do not know anybetter. Like it or not Colossus has a level 4 rating in fighting. Namor has a 3. MARVEL themselves said Colossus is a better fighter. He's trained everday since he was a teenager in the highest tech training facility in Marvel with Shi'ar tech. THE DANGER ROOM!

So please prove me that Namor is a better fighter. And to say Namor outclasses him in fighting so much it isn't funny indicates that you might be considered a #*!(&^. big grin I'll agree Namor is faster and possibly stronger. But I think Colossus is more durable and a better fighter. And I am not gonna be like you and say that Colossus is so far ahead of Namor in those areas it's not even funny. Like jrod mentioned about Juggernaut not having many strength feats but everyone knows how strong he is but neither does Colossus.

Colossus has used his fighting skills to beat guys that are stronger than him.

namor has great fighing skills, he went toe toe agiast thor w/hammer, and faired well, thor is a great skilled fighter. Also namor can beat people that is stonger than him as well, he beat hulk many times, and everyone knows that hulk is a top gun in marvel when it comes to strength.

Wonder Man
Well this is the way Namor's power works. In the water he's 80 ton strength and fresh out he steadily loses power down to 50 ton level.
Now maybe like the Thing and Colossus he has gotton stronger over the years by 20 tons or so.
Colossus is a powerhouse on land and may be best suited to fight Namor even in water seeing as he hardly needs to breath. Underwater of course Namor's mobility would give him a large advantage. And on land to seeing as he can fly he would have an advantage.
However I think although Namor could win this fight 6 or 7 out of 10 that Colossus is stronger and in an endurance fight or in the case of long term multiples such as groups of 10's(fights) that Colossus wins.

AJ4LIFE
u better not be referring to me aswell im nearly 16,namor has facedandbeat peaople that colasus wouldnt stand a chance agaginst colalasus well he just cant compete on his level

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Wonder Man
Well this is the way Namor's power works. In the water he's 80 ton strength and fresh out he steadily loses power down to 50 ton level.


80 tons? blink

Next Venom_girl
Namor.
Example: Check the Namor vs Mimic fight of Exiles (shorthand Mimic has Colossus, Wolverine, Cyclops, Beast, Phoenix and Northstar's powers). Namor would have won but for PIS / deus ex machina (Mimic ultimately incinerates him by optic blasting some huge vats of flamable material in Doom's castle).
But Namor way outclassed him in raw strength and power and they both knew it.

Marcus4600
Who hath dissed Kitty Pride? Her and Colossus were able to take on Nimrod! Also, Kitty is a great fighter. She could kill Batman easily, mostly because he couldn't hit her, and she'd just faze her fist into his head.

Anyway, Colossus is my favorite X-Man, and a top class fighter. However, Namor would take him, but it's a worthy battle for Namor.

AJ4LIFE
i dissed her u wanna start somthing..lol

Marcus4600
roll eyes (sarcastic)

AJ4LIFE
mad thats it lets go, oh wait u getting married u must be much older than me nevermind embarrasment

Marcus4600
Yeah, I'm 20 years old.
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I'm the guy on the right. I'm about 6 foot 2, and weight 270 pounds, and know kickboxing, boxing, and a little bit of Sambo.

h1a8
Originally posted by jrodslam
In some of those scans the sunken ships or boats were immobile. It was Namor that got them into motion from being stationary. On you second point i agree with you. It is easier to lift things in water. However, its also easier to be pulled down in water as well, so its a balance. When lifting the destroyer, Namor held it above his head as well as swim upwards with it. If youre in water and holding a 2,000lb steel sphere, it would make you sink without a doubt.



Id be inclined to agree with you on the pushing feats. The freighters were pretty much already afloat and wouldnt require much effort in moving them. The submarine wasnt afloat though and was purely sunken. Namor lifted it from the bottom and then pushed it back to the top. Those are 2 different scenarios.



DC never stated the freighter was 200,00 tons. Its the oil tanker that weighs that much. Empty tankers weigh from 120,000 tons. Tankers WITH oil weigh well over 180,000 tons.



Youre calling his feats PIS because they dont happen more frequent? They are feats. When has he struggled to lift something under 100 tons? Did he fail at it? If not then it really isnt relevant if he struggled. I dont know why they would be considered PIS when there are a few 100cl characters that dont have many lifting feats. Juggernaugt hardly has any. Thor and Hercules only have a few.


The sub was completely sunken yes but it still had some bouyant force in it. If the bouyant force is less than the sub's weight then it will completely sink.

I was going by the look of the tanker. It is clearly undersized in the picture. Look how quickly rounded the bottom is. Second, I wasn't sure wether you were posting scans to support namor vs. colosus. If you were then the rules of this forum is to not use PIS as proof.

Now spiderman is listed (in handbooks) and accepted by many to lift up to 10 tons. But on several occasions he has lifted much more than this. The most I ever seen spiderman lift (or brace) was a multistory building. The second most was probably about 40tons of metal off his back. Anyway, handbooks list stats based off the consistency of the comics. Rare events that contradict the majority of comics are not taken into account.
Handbooks may decide that these are PIS (maybe). If you take every feat a character has done then most characters would be 1 to 2 levels higher. Such as captain lifting 5tons, spiderman lifting over 100tons, etc.
Thus handbooks are a credible source for non PIS feats. The official ones are also written by the actual writers of these comics.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by outarddwarf
In the fighting skill department Namor is better if not Extremely better than colossus. strength is about a level playing feild. Durablity i give to colossus. Speed to Namor. Manuverability namor (he moves well under water in the air and on the ground). Reflexes, Namor, the guy catches missles for crying out loud, experience goes to namor as well considering he was like the first charactor marvel ever had.

NAMOR 10/10



wink


I'm 100% with you. Why is it that people are trying to say that Colossus is now the armor Cap in the fighting abilities.

He is a better than average fighter at best. Danger room, Wolverine, Cyclops tutoring...Blah...Blah... Blah.

Namor is superior to Colossus in all catagories.

As long as he's not out in the desert sun for hours without access to water he's 9/10 over either version of Colossus.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by h1a8
The sub was completely sunken yes but it still had some bouyant force in it. If the bouyant force is less than the sub's weight then it will completely sink.

I was going by the look of the tanker. It is clearly undersized in the picture. Look how quickly rounded the bottom is. Second, I wasn't sure wether you were posting scans to support namor vs. colosus. If you were then the rules of this forum is to not use PIS as proof.

Now spiderman is listed (in handbooks) and accepted by many to lift up to 10 tons. But on several occasions he has lifted much more than this. The most I ever seen spiderman lift (or brace) was a multistory building. The second most was probably about 40tons of metal off his back. Anyway, handbooks list stats based off the consistency of the comics. Rare events that contradict the majority of comics are not taken into account.
Handbooks may decide that these are PIS (maybe). If you take every feat a character has done then most characters would be 1 to 2 levels higher. Such as captain lifting 5tons, spiderman lifting over 100tons, etc.
Thus handbooks are a credible source for non PIS feats. The official ones are also written by the actual writers of these comics.

Sorry....but I trust the CREATOR of the character more then some random writer who has never written Namor in his life. I also trust Stan Lee more then handbook writers too.

If you had read a bit more in this forum, you would have noticed that we prove our claims through scans, not handbooks.

And if I may ask, if Namor has lifted more then 85 tons BEFORE and AFTER then handbooks were written...where did the writers base the stats? Comics? Nope, if they had done real research, they would have seen that even his own creator (and I think they have ALL say what their characters can do and what they can't) had written him to lift waaaaay over 85 tons. My guess is that they pulled the numbers out of their asses.

Like I said, Namor doesn't contradict handbooks, handbooks contradict Namor. And it is a fact.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
You proved me wrong? Yea right. The only people you convinced are the 14 yr. olds who do not know anybetter. Like it or not Colossus has a level 4 rating in fighting. Namor has a 3. MARVEL themselves said Colossus is a better fighter. He's trained everday since he was a teenager in the highest tech training facility in Marvel with Shi'ar tech. THE DANGER ROOM!

So please prove me that Namor is a better fighter. And to say Namor outclasses him in fighting so much it isn't funny indicates that you might be considered a #*!(&^. big grin I'll agree Namor is faster and possibly stronger. But I think Colossus is more durable and a better fighter. And I am not gonna be like you and say that Colossus is so far ahead of Namor in those areas it's not even funny. Like jrod mentioned about Juggernaut not having many strength feats but everyone knows how strong he is but neither does Colossus.

Colossus has used his fighting skills to beat guys that are stronger than him.

There isn't such guy as MARVEL. There is some random fellow who edits a handbook/website, and thinks "Who's Sub-Mariner? I don't know much about him, so he can't be a good fighter. Let's put his fighting skills as 3. And his intelligence as low too."

And like it or not, handbooks are nothing compared to ACTUAL comic book feats and sayings. About 10+ years of training don't come even close to comparing to seventy years of endless fighting, best training of a warrior nation, daily tests to prove his skills and sparring and real matches against extremely gifted fighters such as Captain America, Thor, Hercules and other people.

Namor is more skilled fighter, faster, stronger, smarter and overall better in mostly everything.

Colossus can't simply win.

outarddwarf
Originally posted by snoopdogg
You proved me wrong? Yea right. The only people you convinced are the 14 yr. olds who do not know anybetter.

Hey mack, next time you post an opinion on something with the best of your knowledge remind me to call you young and ignorant as well. Just because i root for Namor in this fight and you don't doesn't give you the F*CKING clearence to talk sh*t about me. You don't even know me so don't label me young and dumb without talking to me for a while alright skeeter? furious

TheKahn
Namor vs colossus

Strength: even - One may be able to life a few more tons than the other but both are clearly class 100 and you'll never get solid numbers on their upper most limits.

Durability: even - Colossus might have a slight edge but Namor has taken on the Hulk and a shot from Thor's hammer. Again they are close enough to be practically even.

Fighting Skills: even - One may spend hour upon hours of training in the danger room and the other may have decades of combat experience but both fight more as brawlers than anything else. I don't see either one breaking out any martial art styles in this fight, rather they'll just try to beat the crap out of the other.

Stamina: Colossus - Colossus can operate for days at his peak capacity while, even with the black suit, Namor only has about 24 hours

Mobility/Speed: Namor - Not only can he fly but he has quite the number of combat speed feats to his credit.

The winner: Namor by a fairly wide margin. So why would Namor win when the two are so close? It all has to do with mobility and speed. Not only will Namor's speed allow him to get in a higher percentages of shots on Colossus, but it will also allow him to avoid more attacks (which is critically important when both fighters can throw class 100 punches, neither's durability is that good).

More importantly his flight will allow him to stay effectively out of Colossus' range. Namor could just fly over, pick up a semi-truck, and then use it to beat Colossus over the head. Colossus would have very few options to counter attack with. Lastly, depending on where they fight, Namor could just pick Colossus up (taking a good bit of damage in the process) and fly him to the nearest body of water where Namor would have an even greater advantage.

outarddwarf
Loving the sig and quote Kahn!

THE ULTIMATE
Originally posted by TheKahn
Namor vs colossus

Strength: even - One may be able to life a few more tons than the other but both are clearly class 100 and you'll never get solid numbers on their upper most limits.

Durability: even - Colossus might have a slight edge but Namor has taken on the Hulk and a shot from Thor's hammer. Again they are close enough to be practically even.

Fighting Skills: even - One may spend hour upon hours of training in the danger room and the other may have decades of combat experience but both fight more as brawlers than anything else. I don't see either one breaking out any martial art styles in this fight, rather they'll just try to beat the crap out of the other.

Stamina: Colossus - Colossus can operate for days at his peak capacity while, even with the black suit, Namor only has about 24 hours

Mobility/Speed: Namor - Not only can he fly but he has quite the number of combat speed feats to his credit.

The winner: Namor by a fairly wide margin. So why would Namor win when the two are so close? It all has to do with mobility and speed. Not only will Namor's speed allow him to get in a higher percentages of shots on Colossus, but it will also allow him to avoid more attacks (which is critically important when both fighters can throw class 100 punches, neither's durability is that good).

More importantly his flight will allow him to stay effectively out of Colossus' range. Namor could just fly over, pick up a semi-truck, and then use it to beat Colossus over the head. Colossus would have very few options to counter attack with. Lastly, depending on where they fight, Namor could just pick Colossus up (taking a good bit of damage in the process) and fly him to the nearest body of water where Namor would have an even greater advantage.
agreed

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by outarddwarf
Loving the sig and quote Kahn!

Me too. big grin

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by TheKahn

Fighting Skills: even - One may spend hour upon hours of training in the danger room and the other may have decades of combat experience but both fight more as brawlers than anything else. I don't see either one breaking out any martial art styles in this fight, rather they'll just try to beat the crap out of the other.



Beating the crap out of things until they don't move or breathe any more is part of Namor's fighting style. He would do it with skill and style that has been honed for over 85 years. cool

AJ4LIFE
Originally posted by Marcus4600
Yeah, I'm 20 years old.
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/6865/micahandahnaeaster20059wx.th.jpg
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I'm the guy on the right. I'm about 6 foot 2, and weight 270 pounds, and know kickboxing, boxing, and a little bit of Sambo.

oh shit im about 5'6 i dont think ill sort u out after all marcus, u badass, lol

snoopdogg
Originally posted by outarddwarf
Hey mack, next time you post an opinion on something with the best of your knowledge remind me to call you young and ignorant as well. Just because i root for Namor in this fight and you don't doesn't give you the F*CKING clearence to talk sh*t about me. You don't even know me so don't label me young and dumb without talking to me for a while alright skeeter? furious I was talking to you in general slapnuts. Don't get sh!t twisted sunshine.

AJ4LIFE
the both of u calm down, or this thread will be closed dont ruin it for the rest of us ok

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Tony Stark
wink


I'm 100% with you. Why is it that people are trying to say that Colossus is now the armor Cap in the fighting abilities.

I think you have it backwards. DC is trying to say that Namor is so far ahead of Colossus in fighting ability that it's not even funny. laughing

Get your facts straight.

Here is why I think Colossus has the fighting skills edges like the Marvel editors think too. eek!


Takes out Ord with some Judo. Ord has level 6 in both fighitng and durabilty.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandOrd.jpg

Tosses She-Hulk aside like she is nothing.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/uncannyxmenannual07page152yo.jpg

Uses acrobatic skills to knock Juggernaut on his @ss.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandJuggernaut1022.jpg

Slugs it out with Gladiator. Read the narration wink

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/gladiatorvscolossus16nn.jpg

Slams Sasquatch with some Judo skills. Sasquatch was stronger than Colossus too.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandSasquatch2.jpg

Here is another scan showing Colossus' fighting abililty and great agility. Colossus realized Antaeus was stronger than him but used his skills and speed to beat the crap out of him. eek!

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandAntaeus.jpg
(Acrobatics he learned from Nightcrawler)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandAntaeus2.jpg

Colossus took out two of Magnums robots called Mandroids with speed and agility to dodge the lazers. Colossus is faster than people think.

The battle was short and sweet.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandMandroids.jpg

This is a combination of strength and skills. Colossus Judo tosses a Sentinel. A Sentinel has to weigh over 200 tons.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusjudotossinaSentinel.jpg

I am not saying that Colossus is superior to Namor in fighting like DC is. I am saying that Colossus has a edge in that department.

Namor wins 10/10 in water but on land I say 50/50.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I was talking to you in general slapnuts. Don't get sh!t twisted sunshine. I meant to say I wasn't talking to you in general.

outarddwarf
Taking out ord was not the great application of Judo you are making it out to be. At that point he was in a blind rage just trying to smash the sh*t out of the guy who imprisoned him for years.

The knocking juggernaut around using his skill isnt impressive either because if i remember in the handbooks juggernauts fighting skill is almost non existant.

The other pics are all of his applications of just one style of fighting, Judo, and a little bit of acrobatics so he isn't showing a diverse amount of fighting styles that would make him that great of a fighter. The acrobatics isn't that impressive either when it even says that he manuvers better than humans because of his mutant power (don't ask me what aspects of becomeing metal make you manuver but meh who am i to judge that)

snoopdogg
Originally posted by outarddwarf
Taking out ord was not the great application of Judo you are making it out to be. At that point he was in a blind rage just trying to smash the sh*t out of the guy who imprisoned him for years.

The knocking juggernaut around using his skill isnt impressive either because if i remember in the handbooks juggernauts fighting skill is almost non existant.

The other pics are all of his applications of just one style of fighting, Judo, and a little bit of acrobatics so he isn't showing a diverse amount of fighting styles that would make him that great of a fighter. The acrobatics isn't that impressive either when it even says that he manuvers better than humans because of his mutant power (don't ask me what aspects of becomeing metal make you manuver but meh who am i to judge that) Well Juggernaut does not need fighting skills to win. He just overpowers people and smashes their @ss. No fighting skills required.

I never said Colossus was as agile as Spiderman or anything. Just showing scans that he is more mobile than most powerhouses.

Judo is a martial art and Colossus has studied it. Mix that in with his strength and power it would be very handy in a fight.

outarddwarf
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well Juggernaut does not need fighting skills to win. He just overpowers people and smashes their @ss. No fighting skills required.

I never said Colossus was as agile as Spiderman or anything. Just showing scans that he is more mobile than most powerhouses.

Judo is a martial art and Colossus has studied it. Mix that in with his strength and power it would be very handy in a fight.

I agree that juggernaut doesn't need it due to sheer power, but it does make it easy to counter his strikes and such using any actual skill in fighting, it is like all those shows where people are getting beat up by the bully but study martial arts and have a montage and then the bully cant beat them any more.

I agree that you never said he was as agile as spidey and all i said was that his mutant powers for some reason make him more agile not extremely more but more non-the-less agile than a regular person. However Namor moves well on all surfaces(land sea and air) and has shown hightened reflexes throughout his life.

Yes it is one martial art and with his power it does make him a very considerable foe, but Namor has lived longer than colossus and has been given the best trainning that an entire undersea kingdom could offer, so he is at least as good as colossus or better because the advantage that his strength played with his judo is gone due to namors strength. Namor has also squared off with thing and won, thing is a judo and boxing master with great strength as colossus and great durability as well.

Proof of things judo and boxing mastery since the earliest of his time with the fantastic four.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2738/thingjudobox8gr.jpg

AJ4LIFE
maybe he dont but its not his th.ad so back on topic

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think you have it backwards. DC is trying to say that Namor is so far ahead of Colossus in fighting ability that it's not even funny. laughing

Get your facts straight.

Here is why I think Colossus has the fighting skills edges like the Marvel editors think too. eek!


Takes out Ord with some Judo. Ord has level 6 in both fighitng and durabilty.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandOrd.jpg

Tosses She-Hulk aside like she is nothing.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/uncannyxmenannual07page152yo.jpg

Uses acrobatic skills to knock Juggernaut on his @ss.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandJuggernaut1022.jpg

Slugs it out with Gladiator. Read the narration wink

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/gladiatorvscolossus16nn.jpg

Slams Sasquatch with some Judo skills. Sasquatch was stronger than Colossus too.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandSasquatch2.jpg

Here is another scan showing Colossus' fighting abililty and great agility. Colossus realized Antaeus was stronger than him but used his skills and speed to beat the crap out of him. eek!

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandAntaeus.jpg
(Acrobatics he learned from Nightcrawler)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandAntaeus2.jpg

Colossus took out two of Magnums robots called Mandroids with speed and agility to dodge the lazers. Colossus is faster than people think.

The battle was short and sweet.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandMandroids.jpg

This is a combination of strength and skills. Colossus Judo tosses a Sentinel. A Sentinel has to weigh over 200 tons.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusjudotossinaSentinel.jpg

I am not saying that Colossus is superior to Namor in fighting like DC is. I am saying that Colossus has a edge in that department.

Namor wins 10/10 in water but on land I say 50/50.

Throws, agility and grapples, huh?

Nothing Namor hasn't seen before.

Here he easily overpowers Master Man, who is about as strong as he is. And Master Man suprised him.
http://i1.tinypic.com/mj4far.gif

Here he takes on several demonic versions of Marvel Heroes. Each of them is more formidable then the orginals, since they have been infused with small portion of Dormammu's power. Namor owns them while having a chat with Dr. Strange. Demonic Captain America throws a shield at him. Namor doesn't even look at it and blocks it with demonic Beast.
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namordemon14us.gif
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namordemon27du.gif
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namordemon34jd.gif
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namordemon42qm.gif

Here he easily throws around few Atlanteans, with their own weapons.
http://i1.tinypic.com/mj4n5t.gif

Here he grapples and overpowers Hulk and gets him in water.
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7674/avengers003173hf.jpg

Spider-Man tries to attack Namor. Result is not pretty.
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30708285261.gif&s=x11

Here he handles Cap like a ragdoll, but shows some speedy moves on the same time:
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor18vl.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor26el.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor31vu.gif

Easily grapples and throws Thing around like nothing.
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thingseanamor13lk.gif
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thingseanamor22xu.gif

Proves to be faster then Daredevil and throws him on the ground.
http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey16pb.gif
Daredevil tries to grapple him...Namor moves fast and throws him to the sky.
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey35wx.gif

Throws Hercules with some grappling moves:
http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/3564/namorfeat1173gx.gif

Nearly defeats Hercules in wrestling:
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/363/namorfeat1169jx.gif

While weakened, he still beats opponents using his grappling moves:
http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/8793/namorfeat1289mi.gif

Here he holds the hand that Thor has Mjolnir on and proceeds to give some beatdown:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/470/namorvsthor41fy.gif

And as for agility...here is Namor having fun:
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2339/namorfeat1243cq.gif

And doing cartwheels like a stunt pilot.
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4173/namorfeat1181eq.gif

Colossus doesn't have a edge...at all.

Namor has fought opponents stronger and more skilled then anyone Colossus has fought and proven to be a scary opponent against them. Colossus doesn't have a edge in...anything.

TheKahn
Originally posted by outarddwarf
Loving the sig and quote Kahn!

Thanks. DigiMark007 made it for me. cool


Oh and DarkCrawler, do you mind me quoting you under my sig?

DarkCrawler
Of course not. big grin

Validus
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/470/namorvsthor41fy.gif

Is that Liefeld art? What's the deal with Namor's face in the middle panel? laughing

DarkCrawler
No idea...just a bad artist.

And also...WHY do you people change your usernames?! It's hard to remember who you guys are already. stick out tongue

Black Adam
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No idea...just a bad artist.

And also...WHY do you people change your usernames?! It's hard to remember who you guys are already. stick out tongue

I just noticed he was Ion.

I was wondering where he went.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Throws, agility and grapples, huh?

Nothing Namor hasn't seen before.

Here he easily overpowers Master Man, who is about as strong as he is. And Master Man suprised him.
http://i1.tinypic.com/mj4far.gif

Here he takes on several demonic versions of Marvel Heroes. Each of them is more formidable then the orginals, since they have been infused with small portion of Dormammu's power. Namor owns them while having a chat with Dr. Strange. Demonic Captain America throws a shield at him. Namor doesn't even look at it and blocks it with demonic Beast.
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namordemon14us.gif
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namordemon27du.gif
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namordemon34jd.gif
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namordemon42qm.gif

Here he easily throws around few Atlanteans, with their own weapons.
http://i1.tinypic.com/mj4n5t.gif

Here he grapples and overpowers Hulk and gets him in water.
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7674/avengers003173hf.jpg

Spider-Man tries to attack Namor. Result is not pretty.
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30708285261.gif&s=x11

Here he handles Cap like a ragdoll, but shows some speedy moves on the same time:
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor18vl.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor26el.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor31vu.gif

Easily grapples and throws Thing around like nothing.
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thingseanamor13lk.gif
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thingseanamor22xu.gif

Proves to be faster then Daredevil and throws him on the ground.
http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey16pb.gif
Daredevil tries to grapple him...Namor moves fast and throws him to the sky.
http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey35wx.gif

Throws Hercules with some grappling moves:
http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/3564/namorfeat1173gx.gif

Nearly defeats Hercules in wrestling:
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/363/namorfeat1169jx.gif

While weakened, he still beats opponents using his grappling moves:
http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/8793/namorfeat1289mi.gif

Here he holds the hand that Thor has Mjolnir on and proceeds to give some beatdown:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/470/namorvsthor41fy.gif

And as for agility...here is Namor having fun:
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2339/namorfeat1243cq.gif

And doing cartwheels like a stunt pilot.
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4173/namorfeat1181eq.gif

Colossus doesn't have a edge...at all.

Namor has fought opponents stronger and more skilled then anyone Colossus has fought and proven to be a scary opponent against them. Colossus doesn't have a edge in...anything. Nice scans there DC. A few things I need to say though.

First thing is I didn't say Colossus was more agile than Namor. I don't know where you got that idea. Then you show scans of Namor beating up DD and overpowering Cap? Why? Those guys are peak humans at best laughing.(Sorry but that's funny sh!t) Then your other scans show Namor beating guys up in the water. Well I already said Namor takes Colossus in the water like he beats most people in the water. He has a advantage over most people in the water like the scan with him and Thing in it states.

On land with no underwater fighting Colossus has a chance to win.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler


Here he easily overpowers Master Man, who is about as strong as he is. And Master Man suprised him.
http://i1.tinypic.com/mj4far.gif

I have a question on this. How do you EASILY overpower somebody who is just as strong as you? confused

That doesn't makes sense. Maybe he wasn't as strong as you thought perhaps?

the Darkone
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I have a question on this. How do you EASILY overpower somebody who is just as strong as you? confused

That doesn't makes sense. Maybe he wasn't as strong as you thought perhaps?

It does make sense, if you look at who wants it more. don'r forget that namor has some serious will power and pride and you know he is not going to fold.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think you have it backwards. DC is trying to say that Namor is so far ahead of Colossus in fighting ability that it's not even funny. laughing

Get your facts straight.

Here is why I think Colossus has the fighting skills edges like the Marvel editors think too. eek!


Takes out Ord with some Judo. Ord has level 6 in both fighitng and durabilty.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandOrd.jpg

Tosses She-Hulk aside like she is nothing.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/uncannyxmenannual07page152yo.jpg

Uses acrobatic skills to knock Juggernaut on his @ss.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandJuggernaut1022.jpg

Slugs it out with Gladiator. Read the narration wink

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/gladiatorvscolossus16nn.jpg

Slams Sasquatch with some Judo skills. Sasquatch was stronger than Colossus too.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandSasquatch2.jpg

Here is another scan showing Colossus' fighting abililty and great agility. Colossus realized Antaeus was stronger than him but used his skills and speed to beat the crap out of him. eek!

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandAntaeus.jpg
(Acrobatics he learned from Nightcrawler)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandAntaeus2.jpg

Colossus took out two of Magnums robots called Mandroids with speed and agility to dodge the lazers. Colossus is faster than people think.

The battle was short and sweet.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandMandroids.jpg

This is a combination of strength and skills. Colossus Judo tosses a Sentinel. A Sentinel has to weigh over 200 tons.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusjudotossinaSentinel.jpg

I am not saying that Colossus is superior to Namor in fighting like DC is. I am saying that Colossus has a edge in that department.

Namor wins 10/10 in water but on land I say 50/50.




confused


You must have not read my post

:wink


I'm 100% with you. Why is it that people are trying to say that Colossus is now the armor Cap in the fighting abilities.

He is a better than average fighter at best. Danger room, Wolverine, Cyclops tutoring...Blah...Blah... Blah.

Namor is superior to Colossus in all catagories.

As long as he's not out in the desert sun for hours without access to water he's 9/10 over either version of Colossus.



That means in nonsnooplish whomever thinks that Colossus is some amazing fighter is smokin blunts with you...B I A T C H A.

And where did I mention DC in that...?

Slow your roll... Or pull back a stump. Awight...?


Colossus gets Bitchslapt.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Tony Stark
confused


You must have not read my post

:wink


I'm 100% with you. Why is it that people are trying to say that Colossus is now the armor Cap in the fighting abilities.

He is a better than average fighter at best. Danger room, Wolverine, Cyclops tutoring...Blah...Blah... Blah.

Namor is superior to Colossus in all catagories.

As long as he's not out in the desert sun for hours without access to water he's 9/10 over either version of Colossus.



That means in nonsnooplish whomever thinks that Colossus is some amazing fighter is smokin blunts with you...B I A T C H A.

And where did I mention DC in that...?

Slow your roll... Or pull back a stump. Awight...?


Colossus gets Bitchslapt. But yet you think Thing can take Namor on land.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Nice scans there DC. A few things I need to say though.

First thing is I didn't say Colossus was more agile than Namor. I don't know where you got that idea. Then you show scans of Namor beating up DD and overpowering Cap? Why? Those guys are peak humans at best laughing.(Sorry but that's funny sh!t) Then your other scans show Namor beating guys up in the water. Well I already said Namor takes Colossus in the water like he beats most people in the water. He has a advantage over most people in the water like the scan with him and Thing in it states.

On land with no underwater fighting Colossus has a chance to win.

*sigh*

I never tried to say that it is a great feat to overpowering Cap and DD, but he used the skills in the fights with them (probably because he could kill them with one hit, and Namor doesn't kill heroes.). Colossus doesn't still have edge on skill, water or not. Both Namor's training and fighting experience outclass Colossus's no matter what you say. AND even on land, Namor is so much faster then Colossus (faster then in water, actually), that Colossus will not lay a hand on him if he so wants.

Colossus can't win 50/50. All he outclasses Namor is durability, and that isn't by much either. Current Namor doesn't even dehydrate because of his suit.

Colossus gets curbstomped by someone who is better fighter, faster, stronger, more experienced, smarter and more agile then he is. There is nothing embarrasing in that. Colossus has never fought anyone of Namor's calibre and won.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I have a question on this. How do you EASILY overpower somebody who is just as strong as you? confused

That doesn't makes sense. Maybe he wasn't as strong as you thought perhaps?

It might be because Namor is way more skilled then Master Man...

AJ4LIFE
who one thta fight with thor and namor

Tony Stark
Originally posted by snoopdogg
But yet you think Thing can take Namor on land.



Yes i do...

I bet DC will be honest about that also. NO h2o... THING 9/10.

AJ4LIFE
who one out of namor and thor

Tony Stark
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
who one out of namor and thor




THOR

grey fox
Namor knocks collosus into the Uper Atmosphere before retiring to his harem of hot atlantian women.

AJ4LIFE
ok thanks, has anyone got any scans of the fight

outarddwarf
I have scans of a fight between Namor and thing though it is really old and ended crappaly!

snoopdogg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Both Namor's training and fighting experience outclass Colossus's no matter what you say. Well if you think your opinion is above the Marvel editors then I cannot argue with that. big grin

And if you think Altantean tech outclasses Shi'ar tech.............

Originally posted by DarkCrawler


Colossus has never fought anyone of Namor's calibre and won.



Colossus has never lost to anybody of Namor calibre either. wink

Glads and Juggernaut are out of Namors league.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Yes i do...

I bet DC will be honest about that also. NO h2o... THING 9/10. I have that issue. You think Thing can take Namor 9/10 on land?

AJ4LIFE
Originally posted by outarddwarf
I have scans of a fight between Namor and thing though it is really old and ended crappaly!

can u put the whole fight on please thanks, thing vs namor ones

Tony Stark
Originally posted by outarddwarf
I have scans of a fight between Namor and thing though it is really old and ended crappaly!



Most of the Namor vs THING stuff is all old 60's or just a new artist rendision of the same fights. All when THING was CL5 and CL10 and Namor was Namor.

That issue was in the 80's when Ben was CL85 and he now of course is CL100.

AJ4LIFE
that looks gross

outarddwarf
well he managed in the fight quite well for only class 5 or 10.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3148/thingnamor3si.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6410/thingnamor20av.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1382/thingnamor35ij.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5926/thingnamor44or.jpg

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well if you think your opinion is above the Marvel editors then I cannot argue with that. big grin

And if you think Altantean tech outclasses Shi'ar tech.............

Colossus has never lost to anybody of Namor calibre either. wink

Glads and Juggernaut are out of Namors league.

No, they really aren't. They are more in Namor's league then in Colossus. Since Namor is stronger and faster and all...

AJ4LIFE
COOL THANKS

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by outarddwarf
well he managed in the fight quite well for only class 5 or 10.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3148/thingnamor3si.jpg
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6410/thingnamor20av.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1382/thingnamor35ij.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5926/thingnamor44or.jpg

I don't think that fight is that good...I mean, I doubt that Thing would be turned back by electricity.

Since Namor doesn't dehydrate anymore because of his suit, he wil lstill remain stronger, faster, more experienced and overall better in about every area then Thing. Besides, Namor has either won or had the upper hand in most tussles they had after that.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No, they really aren't. They are more in Namor's league then in Colossus. Since Namor is stronger and faster and all... Namor is alot closer to Colossus in strength and than he is to Glads and Juggernaut. Those two guys would roll over Namor also.

This fight isn't as lopsided as you think. On land Namor has to knock out Thing in his human form to win.

AJ4LIFE
i liked the fight very cool

snoopdogg
Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
i liked the fight very cool I can't believe Thing overpowered Namor and held him from reaching the Ocean.

AJ4LIFE
that and turning back into human was stupid but good fight

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Namor is alot closer to Colossus in strength and than he is to Glads and Juggernaut. Those two guys would roll over Namor also.

This fight isn't as lopsided as you think. On land Namor has to knock out Thing in his human form to win.

That's one battle among the 100 battles Thing and Namor have had. I can show you some land based battles where Namor does much better after I get to my own computer. Fantastic Four was quite new then, they had to show them beating some pre-established characters to make them look nice. (Kinda like Hulk is the ***** of every new character these days)

And Namor would fare much better against Gladiator and Juggernaut then Colossus would. Provided that Gladiator doesn't use heat vision.

AJ4LIFE
to true, colasus cant fly isnt super speedy and just isnt good enough

snoopdogg
What issue is that where Thing overpowers Namor?

DarkCrawler
I think it's Fantastic Four v1 #14?

outarddwarf
no, it is Fantastic four V1 #9

outarddwarf
in V1 #14 they barley even tangle and the puppet master is controling namor.

AJ4LIFE
has anyone got any more scans of them fighting

snoopdogg
I want to see more scans of them fighting on land. In the water it's not fair really. Namor rules the ocean. I know they fought in a Marvel two-in-one issue.

outarddwarf
Ill see if I have anymore.

AJ4LIFE
thanks outordwarf

outarddwarf
nope, the rest i have are like just a single grapple and then namor excapes or they are both distracted or whatever.

I could post them anyway

AJ4LIFE
ok do the distracted ones theyre still good to see or the comic wouldnt have been made

DarkCrawler
I have many battles with them. I'll post them, after I get to my own computer.

AJ4LIFE
ok thanks well keep this alive so u can, wat computer are u on

snoopdogg
I could scan their fight from Marvel two-in-one #28. Thing holds his own against Namor in that one also. Actually I would call that fight a tie.

The more I look at these Thing/Namor fights the more I realize Colossus has a good chance at winning on land.

People always go by what happens in comics.

AJ4LIFE
yes please, if anyone has any scans please post them

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I could scan their fight from Marvel two-in-one #28. Thing holds his own against Namor in that one also. Actually I would call that fight a tie.

The more I look at these Thing/Namor fights the more I realize Colossus has a good chance at winning on land.

People always go by what happens in comics.

In Marvel Two-In One #28, they were faking the fight. And Namor didn't even want to fight in first place.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
In Marvel Two-In One #28, they were faking the fight. And Namor didn't even want to fight in first place. At the end they were faking it. But at the start they were not. Namor was fighting and talking his usual smack at the start but then he figured out they were both gonna die anyways.

So he talked some sense into Thing and they started to fake the fight. If I remember right.

outarddwarf
Them fighting in space for a scene
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6581/spacethingnamor2oa.jpg

Namor takes over their city, they thwart his plan and a battle ensues
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5007/namorff1sp.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6043/namorff27kd.jpg
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/3444/namorff36ft.jpg
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/8110/namorff40qx.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/3701/namorff54su.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2641/namorff66jr.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/4152/namorff75nh.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4941/namorff89pg.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9651/namorff97ek.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2006/namorff104ds.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9470/namorff110ok.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6761/namorff121if.jpg

Namor Fights Fantastic Four under puppetmasters control
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/992/underseaffnamor1ev.jpg
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6013/underseaffnamor25kh.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2127/underseaffnamor32ro.jpg

outarddwarf
that took a long time!

DarkCrawler
Now here are some of their other land-based fights.

FF v2 #3
Namor knocks out Thing with one punch.
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/359/namorthing14iw.gif

Namor v2 #50. Namor gains upperhand in tussle against Thing, Invisible Woman and Human Torch. Thing even gets a cheapshot and can't knock him out. Where as when Namor gets angry, all his opponents are knocked back/knocked out.
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4899/namorthing24lo.gif
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1776/namorthing31fj.gif
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3948/namorthing50mh.gif
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5567/namorthing47ty.gif

Namor v1 #67
Even when suffering from sickness that makes his body dehydrate faster then normal, Namor still takes on Thing and has upper hand on most parts of the fight. He doesn't even seem to care about Thing's punches in most parts.
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1073/namorthing66pg.gif

Gotta check through my comics if I find anything else. I think that they have more fights, but those were the best "full fights" I could find.

If you have issue numbers, tell.

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