Jedi mistakes?

Red Superfly

Mistakes?

1. Hypocrits. Admonishing arrogance....arrogantly.......etc etc.

2. Having dance lessons in "how to dance with glow sticks", as opposed to having lessons in "stabbing people quickly with your saber in the face".

3. Deserving to die painfully.

4. Recruiting lame alien Jedi that suck. Three human Jedi outnumber the only useful alien in the order. Three noses? A big head? Breathe underwater? Big deal. The humans could kick your ass anyday, losers.

5. Recruiting the one human that actually would just stab them all in the head repeatedly rather than go fetching the milk.

6. Treating said psycho with utter contempt. Keep pushing those buttons.......

7. Not using guns. Morons.

laughing

chilled monkey

Originally posted by Red Superfly
Mistakes?

7. Not using guns. Morons.

laughing

Who needs guns when you have lightsabres?

Mistakes:

1. Focusing on listening to the Jedi Code instead of listening to the Force.

2. The 'no attachments, no emotions thing'. Not healthy.

Sesse

No! No mistake. Only mistake in your mind.

If it was not for QuiGon bending the rules. There wouldnt be the whole Skywalker -incident. "He's too old! Send him home! Aye, master!"

The code works perfectly if its followed perfectly. Overlooking even the slightest principle will lead to destruction.

Red Superfly

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Who needs guns when you have lightsabres?

Mistakes:

1. Focusing on listening to the Jedi Code instead of listening to the Force.

2. The 'no attachments, no emotions thing'. Not healthy.

Tell that to the Jedi Jango Fett owned.

Luke had the right idea. Luke seems to be the only Jedi with any sense.

Oh and I guess Obi-Wan did too. Thats why they both saved the day.

ESB - 1138

Obi-Wan Kenobi for not finishing Anakin off on Mustafar.

Yoda for allowing Dooku to escape.

Luke for going to fight Vader in ESB instead of finishing his training.

JaehSkywalker

obi-wan HAD feelings that's why he didn't do it....

and just starting with anakin, i can't count how many those mistakes are...

DarthBanevv

Anakin in Rogue Planet for not killing Tarkin and Raith while he had the chance. But Tarkin helped him later, I guess. So nevermind, I guess there was no mistake, made by Anakin, there.

DarthClinton

None saw Vader coming except maybe Yoda....But quiet his mouth was.

Council#13

Another mistake was not letting jar jar die!!! I mean, I like Qui-Gon, but he pushed the limits!!! mad

chinabing

Not killing Anakin as he lay mortally wounded in the lava pit was not a mistake.

Cascador

it was a mistake...obi-wan couldn't kill him...his emotions made him a coward...its understandable...but at the same time it's cruel and a big mistake

Tangible God

Originally posted by Red Superfly
Mistakes?

1. Hypocrits. Admonishing arrogance....arrogantly.......etc etc.

2. Having dance lessons in "how to dance with glow sticks", as opposed to having lessons in "stabbing people quickly with your saber in the face".

3. Deserving to die painfully.

4. Recruiting lame alien Jedi that suck. Three human Jedi outnumber the only useful alien in the order. Three noses? A big head? Breathe underwater? Big deal. The humans could kick your ass anyday, losers.

5. Recruiting the one human that actually would just stab them all in the head repeatedly rather than go fetching the milk.

6. Treating said psycho with utter contempt. Keep pushing those buttons.......

7. Not using guns. Morons.

laughing

LMAO. This is all true.

chinabing

Originally posted by Cascador
it was a mistake...obi-wan couldn't kill him...his emotions made him a coward...its understandable...but at the same time it's cruel and a big mistake
No, it wasn't a mistake. It's not the Jedi way to kill an unarmed, (literally) prisoner. Anakin killed Dooku that way and regretted it; while Obi-Wan didn't kill Anakin. Anakin wasn't too dangerous to be kept alive, Obi-wan just left it to The Force to decide his fate.

Leaving him as is was the right choice. If Obi-wan went down to help him, say try to drag him up the hillside to Padme's starship, Anakin might have grabbed his arm and thrown Obi-Wan into the lava. Say somehow he did grab Anakin and bring him into the shuttle and brought him to the pollismasa place to heal, Anakin might have gone and tried to kill them all again, after padme dies. Or maybe padme woulda lived if she saw Anakin again, I dunno, this is going out on a limb here already.

Besides, hindsight tells us it is Vader who kills the emperor

Tarvos

Obi-Wan didn't kill Anakin because:

1. He couldn't destroy his former padawan and friend.

2. It's not the Jedi way.

3. If you're missing three out of your four limbs and are burning, I don't think you're a big enough threat to kill.

4. Palpatine and a bunch of Clones were arriving. If he'd stuck around to kill Anakin, he would have been pwned by the Emperor and his guards/soldiers.

Cascador

Originally posted by chinabing
No, it wasn't a mistake. It's not the Jedi way to kill an unarmed, (literally) prisoner. Anakin killed Dooku that way and regretted it; while Obi-Wan didn't kill Anakin. Anakin wasn't too dangerous to be kept alive, Obi-wan just left it to The Force to decide his fate.

Leaving him as is was the right choice. If Obi-wan went down to help him, say try to drag him up the hillside to Padme's starship, Anakin might have grabbed his arm and thrown Obi-Wan into the lava. Say somehow he did grab Anakin and bring him into the shuttle and brought him to the pollismasa place to heal, Anakin might have gone and tried to kill them all again, after padme dies. Or maybe padme woulda lived if she saw Anakin again, I dunno, this is going out on a limb here already.

Besides, hindsight tells us it is Vader who kills the emperor

In case of dangerous times the Jedi Code doesn't really matter....it's war. Anakin was very loyal to it because he wanted to be the greatest Jedi. But look at Mace Windu. Mace Windu didn't stick to it, he wanted to kill Sidious. And maybe Anakin used the code as an excuse to keep him alive. But Mace was right, he was too dangerous to be kept alive. And if you think of it. Nobody would have expected that Luke's son would have rescued Vader from the Dark Side...they could only hope. He lied there mortally wounded, so I dont think he could have done much to anybody. Obi-Wan just had to swing his lightsaber one more time and it would be over. It could have saved them from the Sith even and it would release Vader out of his misery and pain. But I agree that he couldn't kill him because he still saw him as a friend. Still that doesn't make it up. Obi-Wan and Yoda might have more chance together to kill Palps together.

Sesse

The jedi code does matter in every situation.

Jedi is a jedi because of his way of doing things. That is the only thing that makes jedi a jedi. Rules are made to keep the members of the order in line even when nobody has a vision to see the truth. Thats why the faith in the code is so important.

The episodes 1,2,3 tell a story of Anakin skywalker and the fall of the jedi order. They had to do something wrong to **** up the perfectly good thing they had going.

Jedi should try to end a fight as mercifully and quickly as possible. Murdering someone is definately forbidden.

Like 2 boxers fighting, when one goes down, the other one stops the beating. People die occasionaly and get seriously injured. But it is all done by the rules. Boxer who keeps beating a downed foe is a special case called a thug. Anakin started the fight and Obi1 did all he could to end it peacefully.

They didn't go and get Maul up from that pit he falled in, did they? Who knows how long did the poor thing suffer down there! =O

Cascador

Well then the Jedi code has mistakes, doesn't it to let a man suffer in dead and just leave him...that's called like Anakin said "compassion" which is central to a Jedi's life? Then the code speaks against itself...

It's a fight to save the galaxy not a boxing match...bad comparisson.

Btw...Maul fell into a melting pit. So he melt to death...

chinabing

One swing of a lightsaber . . . one pull on the trigger. . . Murder doesn't take much effort. No, Obi-Wan did right be leaving Anakin on the lava riverbank. I think obi was justified in slaying Darth Maul as he was not defenseless. Did Sidious show compassion in slaying 4 Jedi? No. Did Maul show compassion by slaying Qui-Gon?

Cascador

Originally posted by chinabing
Did Sidious show compassion in slaying 4 Jedi? No. Did Maul show compassion by slaying Qui-Gon?
D'uh...they are Sith wink

Sesse

So is Anakin and he killed Dooku who was pretty defenseless.

Who is Obi1 to decide when its time for the chosen one to die?
If Obi1 had killed Anakin, there would have been nothing to stop the Emperor from ruling the galaxy. No "dark father" to feel pity. No crashing droids to Alderaan.

As we can see, the jedi always take the longer road, which is quite a bit more enjoyable to us viewers than ending the whole story in episode 3.

One swing... No Droids crashing, No meeting Ben, No going to Alderaan, No joining up with the rebels, No death star destruction... No nothing.

Cascador

well Anakin wasn't a Sith yet when he killed Dooku although heavily on the Dark path...

And yes of course...it was probably the will of the Force that Anakin still had to stay alive and not be killed by Obi-Wan.

But still...It was a lucky guess...it was still wrong, they were just lucky in the end Luke could save his father from the Dark Side.

chinabing

A lucky guess? It was the will of the force!

"Nothing happens by accident." - Qui-gon

Sesse

yt qwax a nether epowldf of thge forced

Tangible God

Originally posted by chinabing
A lucky guess? It was the will of the force!

"Nothing happens by accident." - Qui-gon So Yoda and Obi-Wan KNEW he'd win? Cause if not, then it was just a guess.

"Toss 'em in, if he gets chewed up... meh... we did all we could do."

ESB - 1138

Originally posted by Tarvos
Obi-Wan didn't kill Anakin because:

1. He couldn't destroy his former padawan and friend.

2. It's not the Jedi way.

3. If you're missing three out of your four limbs and are burning, I don't think you're a big enough threat to kill.

4. Palpatine and a bunch of Clones were arriving. If he'd stuck around to kill Anakin, he would have been pwned by the Emperor and his guards/soldiers.

1. The boy you trained gone he is consumed by Darth Vader- Yoda

2. Destroy the Sith we must- Yoda

3. Was Mace going to let Palpatine live? Yoda would have finished off Anakin.

4. They arrived hours after the battle ended if I recall correctly.

JaehSkywalker

Sesse

Okay guys... There is nothing to be seen two posts above. Lets just move along and pretend that they don't exist. Right?

- But the feelings, escpecially the dark ones are the main motivation for people to perform evil deeds. Without emotion, there is no conflict.

chinabing

Originally posted by Tangible God
So Yoda and Obi-Wan KNEW he'd win? Cause if not, then it was just a guess.
No, they didn't know he'd win, that doesn't make it a guess. Obi-Wan had some rules as a jedi, one of them was not to kill an unarmed, defeated opponent. In the book Anakin says "Compassion... the flaw of the Jedi." Obi-Wan leaves Anakin to "the will of the force," meaning he won't kill him as he lay dying on the lava pit. If he dies, he dies, if he lives he lives. It's compassion, even for your enemies.

Tangible God

I'm saying though that even for the Jedi, stuff does happen by chance. They had no way of knowing Luke would survive his encounter with Vader and the Emperor, or if he'd stay on the Light. NO way. They sent him off through sheer hope, through a GUESS that he'd win.

And I may be nitpicking, but wasn't Obi-Wan about to kill Anakin when he was unarmed anyway. When Anakin was on the table, no saber, and Obi-Wan was about to slice him BEFORE Anakin called the saber back.

And if you're right about his moral (not emotional) conduct, then he was effectively leaving to chance the fact that Anakin would die on that slope. He should have put his loyalty to the strict Jedi dogma aside in order to save Anakin from himself and the Darkside, and to save the galaxy from Anakin. He did the wrong thing letting him live like that.

Red Superfly

Originally posted by Tangible God
He did the wrong thing letting him live like that.

Maybe, butyou could also argue that he did the right thing, when it was all said and done.

The force may have been acting through Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan was always taught to trust his feelings, so maybe his feelings at that time were "don't kill him".

Yeah, it is still a bit vague and silly though.

Tangible God

Yeah, like Qui Gon's words:

Obi-Wan: "But master Yoda said I should be mindful of the future."

Qui-Gon: "But not at the expense of the moment. Keep your concentration here and now, where it belongs."

Obi-Wan should have listened to that advice and finished Vader off.

JaehSkywalker

^yeah...

chinabing

Originally posted by Tangible God
And I may be nitpicking, but wasn't Obi-Wan about to kill Anakin when he was unarmed anyway. When Anakin was on the table, no saber, and Obi-Wan was about to slice him BEFORE Anakin called the saber back.

Yes he was about to kill him... as a full-power sith lord with all his arms, legs and force powers. On the lava pit, Anakin was a terribly wounded enemy who was probably too overcome with the pain of his injuries to use the force against Obi-Wan.

And if you're right about his moral (not emotional) conduct, then he was effectively leaving to chance the fact that Anakin would die on that slope. He should have put his loyalty to the strict Jedi dogma aside in order to save Anakin from himself and the Darkside, and to save the galaxy from Anakin. He did the wrong thing letting him live like that.

Obi-wan did the right thing AND the moral thing by letting Anakin live. The Jedi code served Obi-Wan well. If he had killed Anakin who knows how long the emperor could have served. Besides, Anakin was not the great evil of the galaxy, Palpatine was, and Vader just got ordered around by him.

A lot of things seem to happen by chance in the saga, but what's important is what we call chance, the Jedi would call the will of the Force.

Cascador

Originally posted by chinabing
Yes he was about to kill him... as a full-power sith lord with all his arms, legs and force powers. On the lava pit, Anakin was a terribly wounded enemy who was probably too overcome with the pain of his injuries to use the force against Obi-Wan.

There is no emotion; there is peace
There is no death; there is the Force

That is what the code says! So that is two things Obi-Wan did wrong. He was strugling with his emotions, he was not at peace. To kill Anakin would have been a moral thing. It wouldn't be wrong...afteral, there is no death, there is only the Force, so ending his suffering would be moral and very Jedi thing to do!

Originally posted by chinabing
Obi-wan did the right thing AND the moral thing by letting Anakin live. The Jedi code served Obi-Wan well. If he had killed Anakin who knows how long the emperor could have served. Besides, Anakin was not the great evil of the galaxy, Palpatine was, and Vader just got ordered around by him.

A lot of things seem to happen by chance in the saga, but what's important is what we call chance, the Jedi would call the will of the Force.

Well what Obi-Wan did was not the will of the Force, but his own choice cause he was struggling with his emotions...if he killed Anakin, he would still train Luke to deal with the emperor. And if Luke wasn't struggling with his emotions about his father, he might have completed his training so he would have a better chance against the emperor.

Tangible God

Originally posted by chinabing
Yes he was about to kill him... as a full-power sith lord with all his arms, legs and force powers. On the lava pit, Anakin was a terribly wounded enemy who was probably too overcome with the pain of his injuries to use the force against Obi-Wan. Yes, but nonetheless... defenseless, unarmed. The "heat of the moment" shouldn't be in a Jedi's vocabulary.

Originally posted by chinabing
Obi-wan did the right thing AND the moral thing by letting Anakin live. The Jedi code served Obi-Wan well. If he had killed Anakin who knows how long the emperor could have served. Besides, Anakin was not the great evil of the galaxy, Palpatine was, and Vader just got ordered around by him.

A lot of things seem to happen by chance in the saga, but what's important is what we call chance, the Jedi would call the will of the Force. Obi may not have killed Anakin, but he did endanger the galaxy. He could not forsee the role Vader would play in the Emperor's downfall. And because of that, Obi left to chance that Vader wouldn't live to do what he did in those 24 years. And he was wrong.

And like Cascador said, he went against his own teachings by allowing a mortally wounded being suffer. A coup-de-grace would have been VERY merciful compared to what Anakin was going through.

chinabing

Originally posted by Tangible God
Yes, but nonetheless... defenseless, unarmed. The "heat of the moment" shouldn't be in a Jedi's vocabulary.

But Anakin at that moment was not defenseless if he had the full use of his sith faculties! When you compare that moment to Anakin on the lava pit, there is no way you can say killing anakin on the table would have been morally equivalent. Absolutely not. Anakin was not a wounded horse to be put out of its misery, nor was he like the chic boxer who wanted to pull the plug. Obi-Wan thought Anakin was already dead. That's why he left, and that it was too dangerous to either skitter down and resuce him nor stab him with the lightsaber. The jedi don't "Finish Him" like in that moronic video game.

Obi may not have killed Anakin, but he did endanger the galaxy. He could not forsee the role Vader would play in the Emperor's downfall. And because of that, Obi left to chance that Vader wouldn't live to do what he did in those 24 years. And he was wrong.

The galaxy was already in danger. Obi-wan's task was to destroy the sith, that's what he thought he did. He didn't leave it to chance, he left it to the will of the Force! There's no such thing as mere luck or chance with the Jedi!

And like Cascador said, he went against his own teachings by allowing a mortally wounded being suffer. A coup-de-grace would have been VERY merciful compared to what Anakin was going through.

We don't know that. Again, it would have been too dangerous to go down the scree to stab him. Anakin could have grabbed him too. I don't remember anything in the films about Jedi not allowing a mortally wounded being to suffer. This isn't Million Dollar Baby.

Sesse

It is not what you do as a Jedi. It is how!

If at peace, calmly and thoughtfully, a jedi sees that the only best way to deal with the situation is to behead someone or let someone die of his wounds, then by all means thats the right thing to do.

Look: "But how do I know the good side from the bad?"
Yoda: "You will know! When you're calm, at peace, passive..."

When someone is whining about the "letting someone suffer... oww", he or she is thinking with an emotion! There is no emotion, there is peace. Sympathy is good, but it cant override clear thinking.

Anakin "saved" Palpatine from getting sliced due to his sympathy and love for Padme.

And about those Anakins visions...

Yoda: "You must not go!"
Look: "But Han and Leia will die if I dont!"
Obi1: "You dont know that."
Obi1: "Even Yoda cant see that fate."
....
Yoda: "Always in motion is the future."

So Anakin let emotions override his better judgement. And the rest is history...

Tangible God

Originally posted by chinabing
But Anakin at that moment was not defenseless if he had the full use of his sith faculties! When you compare that moment to Anakin on the lava pit, there is no way you can say killing anakin on the table would have been morally equivalent. Absolutely not. Anakin was not a wounded horse to be put out of its misery, nor was he like the chic boxer who wanted to pull the plug. Obi-Wan thought Anakin was already dead. That's why he left, and that it was too dangerous to either skitter down and resuce him nor stab him with the lightsaber. The jedi don't "Finish Him" like in that moronic video game.True. Games that do that piss me off.

Originally posted by chinabing The galaxy was already in danger. Obi-wan's task was to destroy the sith, that's what he thought he did. He didn't leave it to chance, he left it to the will of the Force! There's no such thing as mere luck or chance with the Jedi!

Originally posted by chinabing We don't know that. Again, it would have been too dangerous to go down the scree to stab him. Anakin could have grabbed him too. I don't remember anything in the films about Jedi not allowing a mortally wounded being to suffer. This isn't Million Dollar Baby. It would have been foolhardy to go down there, yes. But could he not Force push him in? He could see Vader's rage, he was struggling to get back up. What if he made it? He may live, he may be rescued, he may do what Darth Vader did.

Oh wait, that happened. And why? Because Obi-Wan left it to chance that Vader would die there, that half the Sith threat would die with him. He treats the Force's will like Karma. That he KNOWS it will happen, and it will happen NOW. And that is a mistake, as we can plainly see from the results. Vader lived, when Obi-Wan had a perfect oppurtunity to kill him. And for his emotions, and for his trust in the Force's will, he doomed the galaxy to 23 years of opression under him.

And Vader or no, I understand the Emperor is the real threat. But killing a general of a dictator is still VERY good.

chinabing

As I said before he didn't leave it to chance he left it to the will of the force, with the guiding priciples of Jedi Knighthood to guide his actions.

One of those principles is not to finish off a mortally wounded man. He thought leaving him there was enough, that he had left him there to die.

Now I don't doubt that perhaps Obi-Wan regretted his 'Vader Lives' decision in his discussions with Luke on Dagobah, which is why he was so insistent on Luke facing Vader again.

Due to the fact it was against his morals to kill Anakin at that time, that he thought he would die already, that it might kill him to go down the skree and stab him, (again, that was against his morals to do something like that so the point that killing Anakin safely with a force push or throwing a rock at his head or throwing a lightsaber into his chest is really moot), leaving Anakin there was the right and moral decision.

Besides, Obi-Wan's Jedi principles helped save the galaxy! Sure it took years and the deaths of that strangled rebel captain on the tantavie and a few clumsy Imperial captains, but it was worth it when Vader destroyed Palpatine. It all worked out.

That's why you leave it to the will of the Force.

Tangible God

As controversial as it is, was Mace not about to finish off the unarmed Palpatine? A little precedent there.

Morals are a key part to life, as are emotions, both of which are factors in Obi-Wan's choice to let Anakin live. However, in times of crisis, such as this, he should have put aside those feelings for the good and benefit of others. Like I said, he had NO way of knowing that Vader would be the Emperor's ultimate downfall. At that time, he simply let his emotions get in the way--- something which would be condemned by the Jedi.

His actions led to the saviour of the galaxy, in the long run. And it isn't appropriate to get into "what ifs" should Vader have died that day. But at that moment in time, in that year, on that slope on Mustafar, Obi-Wan put the galaxy in great risk. I'm sounding like a broken record, but he did NOT know that leaving Vader alive would be good. (potentially remember) It was his INTENTION to let Vader die naturally, leaving it to chance that he would, not the will of the Force.

Obi-Wan has never struck me as a person who treats the Force as religiously as that, putting blind faith in it. He either did that, which is a mistake, or he was stupid. And he's definitley not stupid. So you can say it was his mistake TO put trust in the will of the Force, hoping by the Force's will that Vader would die.

Tangible God

^Bingo.

chinabing

The Anakin-killing-Dooku and Obi-Wan-not-killing-Anakin duality is very important to explore. Anakin turned to the dark side in killing Dooku, and Obi-Wan didn't by not killing Anakin. You could say that Anakin was seduced into killing Dooku, but while he was still a young jedi, he was still in control of his actions.

Anakin regretted killing Dooku because it wasn't the Jedi way. Obi-Wan didn't kill Anakin because it *was* the Jedi way.

Both men in both situations had opportunities to kill helpless, wounded Sith Lords. Neither Jedi had knowledge of what the future would bring. Which Jedi turned to the Dark Side? What more proof do you need?

Cascador

Dooku= not suffering, almost harmless, defenceless, war prisoner
Anakin= In pain, suffering, intolerable pain, hopeless, potential treat to the galaxy

you see the difference? To kill a harmless person isn't the Jedi way...to kill someone in suffering and intolerable pain who still could be a treat to the galaxy...that would have been the Jedi way....it would also have been what Yoda asked...if Yoda's wisdom isn't the Jedi way...if Mace Windu's wisdom isn't the Jedi way? Anakin didn't agree that killing Sidious wouldn't be the Jedi way just because he needed him and he usd that as an excuse! Mace Windu knew better and knew the Sith had to be killed...Anakin was a Sith..."Destroy the Sith we must" Yoda said...
Obi-Wan didn't obey his orders....which is certainly not loyal and was a big mistake.

He didn't do what Yoda asked of him...he didn't end a suffering man from total misery. He was in conflict with this emotions, he wasn't at peace. He couldn't see the truth that Anakin was no more, which is not very rational or wise...it's all a big mistake!

Sesse

Killing Anakin there would have been a "quick and easy way" to solve the thing. The things just got too severe to be toyed with by having infinite patience.

- "If you end your training now, If you choose a quick and easy path, as Vader did, you will become........... an AGENT OF EVIL! =O"

- "Patience!"

Cascador

while just leaving isn't quick and easy?...time was running out...dangerous times ask for dangerous measures!

Tangible God

Originally posted by Cascador
Anakin didn't agree that killing Sidious wouldn't be the Jedi way just because he needed him and he usd that as an excuse! Mace Windu knew better and knew the Sith had to be killed...Anakin was a Sith..."Destroy the Sith we must" Yoda said...
Obi-Wan didn't obey his orders....which is certainly not loyal and was a big mistake.

chinabing

But Obi-Wan tried! He thought he was leaving him for dead.

It's less important to worry about whether or not it's the Jedi Way to put someone out of their misery, than it is to absolutely go against the Jedi code and kill a harmless person and possibly put your own self in mortal danger by doing so; meanwhile the other sith is coming, and you've got to try to save Padme and her baby.

But doing the right thing and leaving, Obi-Wan saved the galaxy, eventually.

Tangible God

*groans* My head aches from trying to keep track of this.

Again, Obi-Wan knew the danger Vader presented to the galaxy, and he knew that, if Anakin could not be redeemed, the he must be destroyed. Both Yoda, and the Jedi mandate told him that.

He did try, I'll give him that. It didn't work. So now, it would be his duty to the Republic, the Jedi, and Anakin himself, to destroy Vader. Which he didn't. I'll admit that, not having been through the life of Obi-Wan Kenobi, I could not kill someone that close to me. But I do not possess the gift of the Force, or the experience, wisdom, and logical behaviour of Kenobi. HE does. He should have had the foresight and common sense to see that leaving Vader there, as wounded as he was, was not a sure guarantee of his death, especially considering Vader's obvious, and furious rage, which would not be a hindrance in his survival.

THAT was his mistake. Assuming that Vader would die there, without overseeing it done. Yes, we understand WHY he made that mistake, but it was still a mistake all the same.

In the long run, his actions saved the galaxy. But who's to say the galaxy wouldn't have been saved sooner, had Vader not been a factor?