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The two captains of DCU are goin' at it. Who wins?

I'll go with Marvel he doesn't have radiation weakness like the krypton does or did or it doesn't even matter with SM anymore..........


Captain Marvel for the WIN!

Captain Marvel has my Vote too, but he'll walk away wishing he never fought him in the first place.

^ Yeah, it'd be a long and hard fought battle.

Captain Atom is just way much cooler chracter than Captain Marvel who looks like a magican I vote for Atom coz I like him, and don't forget one thing. Making plutonum and uranium radiation, then heat it up to a certain level, give it a Sun Radiation, even it's not an A-Bomb could be a Big Bang....

I think its a tie. Because CM has more strength and durability but if he breaks open Cap Atom then its a nuclear explosion and i9'm not too sure that CM can survive that

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3293/image232li.th.jpg

Originally posted by Validus
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3293/image232li.th.jpg Current CA is above that.
He's been handling everyone in the Wildstorm U.

I still think his showing against Majestic is lame. He doesn't have that much raw strength unless his "destroy the universe" power is augmenting his strength.

Originally posted by Validus
I still think his showing against Majestic is lame. He doesn't have that much raw strength unless his "destroy the universe" power is augmenting his strength. Well, he handled the team too, but that's less impressive.

I believe its augmenting all of his powers in some odd way... I believe in issue one or two he was talking about his powers changing/increasing.. Been a while since I read those though.
Notice Majestic's last issue is the same month as the last issue of Capt Atom.

That's because Armageddon is leading to the Wildstorm relaunch. Majestic is joining the Wildcats again written by Morrison and drawn by Jim Lee. How good is that going to be.

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sorry, but that fight with mary was lame....CA has proven in the past (hmmmm maybe it was pre crisis) that he is a beast to deal with. He is a quantum elemental, and can basically do anything he wants. He can create anything he wants. But they make him into an idiot and he does nothing but radiation...

So that's a "yes" for Captain Atom in this fight?

This seems like a good place to ask or at least be redirected:

Can someone explain what's going with the DCU? I work a lot and don' get much time to read comics lately, but I know enough to know something big is happening.

This is happening.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t402976.html

I say Marvel takes the win. Marvel can survive being turned inside out and be fighting moments later, I don't think Atom is gonna dish out that kind of damage before getting his ass beat in.

Mary already kicked Atom's ass

http://www.marvelfamily.com/images/WhosWho/MaryMarvel/Panels/FKA_Mary.jpg

Isn't 'Formerly Known as the Justice League' non-cannon?



Nope. The writer has specifically said that his powers are exactly the same as usual. There has been no mention of being augemented in the comics.

Captain Atom simply is that badass.

Originally posted by Private Pion
Isn't 'Formerly Known as the Justice League' non-cannon?



Nope. The writer has specifically said that his powers are exactly the same as usual. There has been no mention of being augemented in the comics.

Captain Atom simply is that badass. I believe CA himself said his powers were different in Wildstorm in one of the first couple issues. I dunno though, its been what.. 8-9 months or so since I read the beginning of the arc. I'd have to dig them out again, but I believe he mentioned once or twice his powers being different, it may just be a slight difference though.

Originally posted by Milkie
Mary already kicked Atom's ass

http://www.marvelfamily.com/images/WhosWho/MaryMarvel/Panels/FKA_Mary.jpg That was already posted in the thread, and I don't think Cap was going all out but rather not trying to fight much, and Mary had completely flipped her lid. But she is equal with the other Marvels, so it's a plausible outcome for the same fight I suppose... I'd give it to CM, but CA won't go down without kicking some ass of his own. Marvel 6-7/10

Originally posted by Private Pion
Isn't 'Formerly Known as the Justice League' non-cannon?



Nope. The writer has specifically said that his powers are exactly the same as usual. There has been no mention of being augemented in the comics.

Captain Atom simply is that badass.
So he got the slight better of a weakened Majestic. Badass. jockey

I'm still not liking his chances against Captain Marvel.

I do....if I ever feel up to it, Ill get scans...the man is a beast...at least he was precrisis....

Originally posted by Validus
So he got the slight better of a weakened Majestic. Badass. jockey

I'm still not liking his chances against Captain Marvel.

Where do you get weakened from?



Nope; I read 1-8 just last night. He talks about how the world is different, and how the heroes are different, but he doesn't say a thing about his powers.

Originally posted by Private Pion
Where do you get weakened from?

The fact that he's been dying since shortly after he returned from the DCU.

anyone with these "limits" is above CM or anyother Superman type character in my book:


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Originally posted by Validus
The fact that he's been dying since shortly after he returned from the DCU.

Has he? Huh.

Look through all of these... :

http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050529055147
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=050529173316
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050615234829&q=captain%20atom
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=050722215738
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050722214936&q=captain%20atom
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=050804163719

... and then tell me Captain Marvel wins this.

Captain Marvel wins.

Originally posted by batdude123
Look through all of these... :

http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050529055147
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=050529173316
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050615234829&q=captain%20atom
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=050722215738
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050722214936&q=captain%20atom
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=050804163719

... and then tell me Captain Marvel wins this.
It'd be better if you just mentioned specific feats than post links to his capability threads.

Oh well.

IN kingdom come, captain marvel sacrificed his life by blowing up the uber powerful nuclear bomb before it hit the heroes. Captain atom has much more power than that. And when Gog cracked his skin, he took out an entire state. IN wildstorm, he was threatening thier universe. Captain Atom's skin is much more durable than CM's. CM is probably stronger and faster. CA has those nifty nuclear quantum blast. No one would be arguing that Quasar couldn't beat the snot out of cm. CA would do much the same.

Originally posted by Validus
Captain Marvel wins.

Ha!

CM wins this

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IN kingdom come, captain marvel sacrificed his life by blowing up the uber powerful nuclear bomb before it hit the heroes. Captain atom has much more power than that. And when Gog cracked his skin, he took out an entire state. IN wildstorm, he was threatening thier universe. Captain Atom's skin is much more durable than CM's. CM is probably stronger and faster. CA has those nifty nuclear quantum blast. No one would be arguing that Quasar couldn't beat the snot out of cm. CA would do much the same.
Marvel also said Shazam 3 times, which means he was Mortal Billy, when the bomb explodes.

Captain Atom should logically win this.

I give a slight edge to Marvel even though Atom is badass..

I give the major edge to Captain Atom against flying bricks.

Originally posted by badabing
Marvel also said Shazam 3 times, which means he was Mortal Billy, when the bomb explodes.

So how in the hell did he fly up to meet it? GOD. He was still CM.

Captain Atom ftw.

Originally posted by batdude123
Ha!
I'm not being sarcastic. I haven't seen anything from Atom that shows he can overwhelm the best durability in comics this side of Classic Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Validus
I'm not being sarcastic. I haven't seen anything from Atom that shows he can overwhelm the best durability in comics this side of Classic Juggernaut.

We're talking about a guy who has the potential to create universes with his energy output. A guy who has access to ALL the energy in the universe, and limitless amounts of it, who could create stars, stellar phenomenons, novas, super novas, and black holes, just from his energy. A character who can amp his strength, speed, and durability to unforseen levels via Quantum manipulation. Not to mention, he has shown the ability to transmutate people into different things. Such as Angie in the Wildstorm run. In all honesty, he should NOT be beaten by the likes of Superman, Captain Marvel, or Black Adam, or that GOD awful Mary Marvel showing. I mean that was just crap. Captain Atom going all out should be the most powerful/most dangerous man on the JLA just about. Captain Atom trumps any brick character imo, and I say he wins this.

Originally posted by batdude123
We're talking about a guy who has the potential to create universes with his energy output. A guy who has access to ALL the energy in the universe, and limitless amounts of it, who could create stars, stellar phenomenons, novas, super novas, and black holes, just from his energy. A character who can amp his strength, speed, and durability to unforseen levels via Quantum manipulation. Not to mention, he has shown the ability to transmutate people into different things. Such as Angie in the Wildstorm run. In all honesty, he should NOT be beaten by the likes of Superman, Captain Marvel, or Black Adam, or that GOD awful Mary Marvel showing. I mean that was just crap. Captain Atom going all out should be the most powerful/most dangerous man on the JLA just about. Captain Atom trumps any brick character imo, and I say he wins this.
This seems to be all about your opinion. Do we have any scans of these feats?

Originally posted by batdude123
We're talking about a guy who has the potential to create universes with his energy output. A guy who has access to ALL the energy in the universe, and limitless amounts of it, who could create stars, stellar phenomenons, novas, super novas, and black holes, just from his energy.
Atom isn't in the Quantum Field for this fight. That's like me saying "Gee, look at what Hal can do in the Central Battery! Isn't he GREAT?" None of that would help in this battle anyway.

Originally posted by batdude123
A character who can amp his strength, speed, and durability to unforseen levels via Quantum manipulation.
I've never seen him match strength with top tier bricks for any prolonged period of time. 9 times out of 10 he's the first on the ground. Don't blame me for Atom having a pathetic win/loss record.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not to mention, he has shown the ability to transmutate people into different things. Such as Angie in the Wildstorm run.
You know as well as I do Marvel isn't about to be transmuted by anyone. You've argued Silver Surfer can't transmute top tiers and Nathan isn't above the Surfer in anyway.

Originally posted by batdude123
In all honesty, he should NOT be beaten by the likes of Superman, Captain Marvel, or Black Adam, or that GOD awful Mary Marvel showing.
Yet he is, constantly.

Originally posted by Validus
Atom isn't in the Quantum Field for this fight. That's like me saying "Gee, look at what Hal can do in the Central Battery! Isn't he GREAT?" None of that would help in this battle anyway.

Not really. He has access to the full force of the Quantum field from anywhere. It shouldn't make a difference either way.

Originally posted by Validus
I've never seen him match strength with top tier bricks for any prolonged period of time. 9 times out of 10 he's the first on the ground. Don't blame me for Atom having a pathetic win/loss record.

I'm not blaming you, but as I've seen, he usually rushes into battles without thinking. He can make his strength and speed and durability continually increase through the quantum field. However, if he did fight to full potential I HONESTLY don't see him losing to someone with a Superman power set.

Originally posted by Validus
You know as well as I do Marvel isn't about to be transmuted by anyone. You've argued Silver Surfer can't transmute top tiers and Nathan isn't above the Surfer in anyway.

Don't see why not. He was able to turn Angie (a person made of nothing but nanotechnology, which is much more complex than Billy's physiology) into a regular person again.

Originally posted by Validus
Yet he is, constantly.

It's pretty much common knowledge that he's a jobber. Like you yourself have said before, sometimes DC puts a lot of faith into the whole "I fly in and punch you really hard in the face" method as the be all to end all. If writers could actually get a grasp on him using his powers WISELY and to full potential, then I'd be happy.

And btw, don't you have a MATCH to judge? herbwank

Originally posted by batdude123
We're talking about a guy who has the potential to create universes with his energy output. A guy who has access to ALL the energy in the universe, and limitless amounts of it, who could create stars, stellar phenomenons, novas, super novas, and black holes, just from his energy. A character who can amp his strength, speed, and durability to unforseen levels via Quantum manipulation. Not to mention, he has shown the ability to transmutate people into different things. Such as Angie in the Wildstorm run. In all honesty, he should NOT be beaten by the likes of Superman, Captain Marvel, or Black Adam, or that GOD awful Mary Marvel showing. I mean that was just crap. Captain Atom going all out should be the most powerful/most dangerous man on the JLA just about. Captain Atom trumps any brick character imo, and I say he wins this.
I would like to see Captain Marvel going all out. I doubt CA would stand a chance agaist normal CM any way

Originally posted by D-Block
I would like to see Captain Marvel going all out. I doubt CA would stand a chance agaist normal CM any way

Yeah, because we all know Billy's potential is WAY above someone like Atom.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not really. He has access to the full force of the Quantum field from anywhere. It shouldn't make a difference either way.

His access, just like Firestorm and Breach who also use the Q field is dependent on willpower.

Originally posted by batdude123
Don't see why not. He was able to turn Angie (a person made of nothing but nanotechnology, which is much more complex than Billy's physiology) into a regular person again.

Angie isn't a magical being now is she? Atom doesn't have energy near the level of a tesserect bomb and Billy took that a-ok.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, because we all know Billy's potential is WAY above someone like Atom.
Well yeah Look at CM powerset now

Originally posted by Validus
His access, just like Firestorm and Breach who also use the Q field is dependent on willpower.


Angie isn't a magical being now is she? Atom doesn't have energy near the level of a tesserect bomb and Billy took that a-ok.

The only thing is that he has shown the ability to have MASSIVE (obviously) potential, but doesn't normally fight like it. He's a jobber.

Originally posted by D-Block
Well yeah Look at CM powerset now

Well, yeah but I'm talking about Captain Marvel and not so much SHAZAM.

In Meet ISIS 52 week twelve CM said that his powers are currently 100 fold

Originally posted by batdude123
Well, yeah but I'm talking about Captain Marvel and not so much SHAZAM.
you said potential

Originally posted by D-Block
you said potential

I still don't see SHAZAM to be on "universe creating" power levels.

ok

Marvel wins he had superspeed, superstrnght as almost as good as superman and almost his same resistence even in the cartoon Superman win because CM call himself Shazam and loose his powers in the middle of the battle, but he was almost in the point of killing super


remember this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0VNjribyY

Originally posted by batdude123
We're talking about a guy who has the potential to create universes with his energy output. A guy who has access to ALL the energy in the universe, and limitless amounts of it, who could create stars, stellar phenomenons, novas, super novas, and black holes, just from his energy. A character who can amp his strength, speed, and durability to unforseen levels via Quantum manipulation. Not to mention, he has shown the ability to transmutate people into different things. Such as Angie in the Wildstorm run. In all honesty, he should NOT be beaten by the likes of Superman, Captain Marvel, or Black Adam, or that GOD awful Mary Marvel showing. I mean that was just crap. Captain Atom going all out should be the most powerful/most dangerous man on the JLA just about. Captain Atom trumps any brick character imo, and I say he wins this. very very VERY well said i agree atom should win if atom is going all out useing all his power's he's on some ion shit. all he would need to do is put marvel in a black hole then make a super nova in there and marvel will be dead. i love CM but if you think about it his not beating atom sorry.

Originally posted by mighty adam
very very VERY well said i agree atom should win if atom is going all out useing all his power's he's on some ion shit. all he would need to do is put marvel in a black hole then make a super nova in there and marvel will be dead. i love CM but if you think about it his not beating atom sorry.

Thank you.

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