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This fight takes place in Alaska



Justice League
Superman
Wonder Woman
Captain Marvel
Green Lantern
Flash

vs

Brotherhood of Evil Mutants
Exodus
Magneto
X-Man
Juggernaut
Ernst

Who the hell is Ernst?

http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Ernst

since when is x-man part of the BEM?

I think the BEM takes the fight.

1-.x-man is one of the most powerful mutants.

2-.Cassandra nova is an extremely powerful psionist

3-.Juggs is nearly indestructible (probably is) and can dish serious firepower.

4-.Magneto is also very powerful.

5-.exodus is also a very powerful psionist and can absorb psionic energy, and he can use is telekinesis to increase is strength to unknown levels.

That's all good and all...but Flash is too fast for any of them.

flash? Is he faster than a thought?

i think that a tlekinetic wall will stop him

Flash is faster than a thought.

Originally posted by tyranus
flash? Is he faster than a thought?

As a matter of fact yes. A lot faster actually.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Flash is faster than a thought.

Oh, sorry. I didn't know that you already got that one covered.

90% of these villains can fly so Flash is nullified

Originally posted by golem370
90% of these villains can fly so Flash is nullified
Flash is never nullified by flyers. That's disregarding the fact that he could get to all of them before they take off.

whats he going to do in that short amount of time

Originally posted by golem370
whats he going to do in that short amount of time
It's not really a short amount of time for him.

http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashv2159185pw.jpg

He could steal their speed, give it his teamates and let them clean house.

and what about jugs, how is flash gona wipe him?

if its in Antarctica and flash is dazzling them whit his speed then all jugs gotta do is hit the ground hard so the it breaks and then its fliers time.

Originally posted by tyranus
and what about jugs, how is flash gona wipe him?
Speedforce dump him. Any League member could remove Juggs from the battlefield.

and without flash hindering them the psionics wipe the ground with the jla

can flash run throug an energy force field or a magnetic one?

is the battle taking place with all sides knowing the abilities of the other side? or is it a spontaneus battle?

Flash has gone through energy shields before and like I said, Flash could get to him before he has it up. And let's not forget his 4 superfast, super powerful teamates he just lent speed to.

is the battle taking place with all sides knowing the abilities of the other side? or is it a spontaneus battle?

The members of the JLA are way to fast for this BEM you speak of. There are some tough cookies in the Brother hood but they aren't winning this straight up with no prep.

Originally posted by tyranus
if its in Antarctica and flash is dazzling them whit his speed then all jugs gotta do is hit the ground hard so the it breaks and then its fliers time.

Easy.

For one the Flash is so fast that by the time Juggz even thought of punching the ground it would all be over (for everyone but Juggernaut).

Also note that Superman and Wonderwoman are also extremely fast.

Anyways, the high octane telepaths are taken out before a picosecond is over ....leaving Juggernaut.

At which point Wonderwoman, Captain Marvel, and Superman would drill into the earth, basically digging a half-orb chunk of earth all around the juggernaut (say around a 10 mile radius). Then GL puts a field around it, and Juggernaut ....with the ground he is standing on up to a radius of 10 miles ....is given a one-way trip to one of the moons around Saturn.

to end the flash issue.if there is a telepathic in the group flash's speed can't stop that.even if theres not the guy with the telekinesis could just put an shield around the rest of the brotherhood

since when has the jla attacked all out since the beginning?

Anyone read jla vs avengers?

if they attack all out, the BEM doesn't stand a chance, but if they hold out an instant the the jla is in trouble.

Originally posted by feline
to end the flash issue.if there is a telepathic in the group flash's speed can't stop that.even if theres not the guy with the telekinesis could just put an shield around the rest of the brotherhood
OK, then witout flash beating the c#$@p of the psionists then the jla will
get one hell of a fight.

Originally posted by feline
to end the flash issue.if there is a telepathic in the group flash's speed can't stop that.even if theres not the guy with the telekinesis could just put an shield around the rest of the brotherhood
Tell that to Gorilla Grodd who got punched in the face thousands of times in a second by Wally.

Originally posted by meep-meep
The members of the JLA are way to fast for this BEM you speak of. There are some tough cookies in the Brother hood but they aren't winning this straight up with no prep.
ok, not straight up but the jla also wont win this one straight up .

Huh?

Originally posted by Validus
Tell that to Gorilla Grodd who got punched in the face thousands of times in a second by Wally.
lol
but um.in that case make it fair an put in quicksilver

quiksilver isnt as fast as flash

Originally posted by Validus
Tell that to Gorilla Grodd who got punched in the face thousands of times in a second by Wally. Grodd has still used telepathic attacks on Wally before even if he is faster than thought, attribute it to PIS if you want but having Flash in a team doesn't automatically negate those with psychic powers.

Originally posted by feline
lol
but um.in that case make it fair an put in quicksilver

Quicksilver is far far far slower than the Flash.

thanks didn't know that

Originally posted by Wally West
Grodd has still used telepathic attacks on Wally before even if he is faster than thought, attribute it to PIS if you want but having Flash in a team doesn't automatically negate those with psychic powers.
Yeah and Wally's been nailed in the head with boomerangs and cold guns. All Flash comics have PIS/CIS. All Flash has to do is lend GL speed and the League has instant psi shields so I would say telepathy is mostly negated.

And it's not like I meant to turn this into Flash Vs Brotherhood but there's way too much he could do in the first picosecond of the match to ignore. How do you match something that can turn 1 second into 1 millienia?

we'ra talking about antartica, the only member of this BEM is jugs so the other ones have some kind of energy shield to keep out the cold so flash wont be able to overcome all shields in an instant, also, since when does magneto exodus or the other prsionist arrrive to a place of battle walking? is antartica!! the ground is ice!!!! they are fliying since the begining (exept jugs) so flash wont be able to reach them easily. Does wally have iron or any other type of metal in his blood? If he does hes screwed, his heart must beat almost like a 1000 times per second , if magneto reverses the iron in his blood he woul go into shock.

Originally posted by tyranus
we'ra talking about antartica, the only member of this BEM is jugs so the other ones have some kind of energy shield to keep out the cold so flash wont be able to overcome all shields in an instant, also, since when does magneto exodus or the other prsionist arrrive to a place of battle walking? is antartica!! the ground is ice!!!! they are fliying since the begining (exept jugs) so flash wont be able to reach them easily. Does wally have iron or any other type of metal in his blood? If he does hes screwed, his heart must beat almost like a 1000 times per second , if magneto reverses the iron in his blood he woul go into shock.
Forgetting the 4 other JLA members here? For the record, Flash doesn't need contact for the speed steal.

And you're seriously underestimating what Flash could do in a second.

So they have psi shields, so they cant control their minds but still the can fry their brains whit an all out attack, and magneto can take care of GL the same way he can with flash.

Originally posted by Validus
Forgetting the 4 other JLA members here? For the record, Flash doesn't need contact for the speed steal.

And you're seriously underestimating what Flash could do in a second.
you are also underestimating the kind of shields these guys can put up.

they can put telekinetic shields, magnetic.

Is it just me or is the speed discrepancy between most D.C. and Marvel characters mentioned in just about every thread where said characters are pitted against each other?

The Flash and several top tier characters in DC can move at or near lightspeed. This means that if their opponents can not move close to that speed themselves, then just about every other power they posses is rendered useless.

For example, telepathy is useless if your opponent can put their fist through your head a thousand times before you can even form a thought.

Add to the fact that he can "steal" the speed of his opponents and your have a very difficult character to beat. And then add in Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, and especially a Green Lantern and you are facing a team that can do just about anything. They are faster, stronger, more durable, more versatile, and better at energy manipulation than everyone save a collection of cosmic-level characters, imo.

Its not a question of if the Brotherhood can hurt the League (they can't), but of how many seconds their shields and other defenses will keep them alive.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Is it just me or is the speed discrepancy between most D.C. and Marvel characters mentioned in just about every thread where said characters are pitted against each other?

The Flash and several top tier characters in DC can move at or near lightspeed. This means that if their opponents can not move close to that speed themselves, then just about every other power they posses is rendered useless.

For example, telepathy is useless if your opponent can put their fist through your head a thousand times before you can even form a thought.

Add to the fact that he can "steal" the speed of his opponents and your have a very difficult character to beat. And then add in Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, and especially a Green Lantern and you are facing a team that can do just about anything. They are faster, stronger, more durable, more versatile, and better at energy manipulation than everyone save a collection of cosmic-level characters, imo.

Its not a question of if the Brotherhood can hurt the League (they can't), but of how many seconds their shields and other defenses will keep them alive.

I agree.

Originally posted by tyranus
So they have psi shields, so they cant control their minds but still the can fry their brains whit an all out attack, and magneto can take care of GL the same way he can with flash.
What? GL's shields don't just protect from mind control but psi bolts as well. Plus Magneto can't manipulate GL in his shield.

Basically, read Kahn's post.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Is it just me or is the speed discrepancy between most D.C. and Marvel characters mentioned in just about every thread where said characters are pitted against each other?
Its mentioned in any thread which gets replies from DC fanboys

Originally posted by Wally West
Its mentioned in any thread which gets replies from DC fanboys


That fanboy stuff is crap. What else is Flash supposed to do in a battle? Dazzle everyone with a super speed breakdance routine?

Originally posted by Validus


That fanboy stuff is crap. What else is Flash supposed to do in a battle? Dazzle everyone with a super speed breakdance routine?

Originally posted by Validus


That fanboy stuff is crap. What else is Flash supposed to do in a battle? Dazzle everyone with a super speed breakdance routine? Sooo, are you one of these guys who thinks Flash could beat Thanos or Thor?

this isnt a good match. mostly psionic guys vs. powerhouses. not really the best method to make a versus battle

Originally posted by Wally West
Sooo, are you one of these guys who thinks Flash could beat Thanos or Thor?

Thor? Yes. The Flash's IMP should be quite effective against Thor.

Thanos? Not so much. Thanos casually owns a herald who has insane speed feats to his credit. He would be quite a difficult opponent.

But my point was that if you want a competitive fight you need cosmic or near-cosmic level characters (like Thanos) to fight against the JLA, imo.

Originally posted by Wally West
Sooo, are you one of these guys who thinks Flash could beat Thanos or Thor?
Thanos has enough control over his molecules to resist Flash's kinetic energy tricks and is durable enough to withstand his hits.

Thor on the other hand? I'm not seeing why Flash can't beat him. Most people doubt Thor can stand up to a Superman speedblitz much less a Flash blitz. We KNOW Flash's punches are at least Superman level in impact and some evidence points to them being significantly stronger. We KNOW Flash could vibrate his hand through Thor's skull at the drop of a dime. We KNOW Flash could steal Thor's speed instantly. So yes, Flash can beat Thor. Note that I didn't say Thor can't beat Flash.

You act like I'm saying Flash is God. What I'm really saying is Flash is close enough to a God to ensure a victory for the League in this fight.