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I say Ken and Akuma are f!@ked.
And yes this thread is made for capcom fanboys.

pffffss

thats no way to make a spite thread. I've been told that at his full power Akuma would be more then a match for the Hulk.


You should have made a Akuma and Ken vs Galactus/Thanos/Silver Surfer/Living Tribunal/Phoenix/Eternity/Genis/ match.


Now thats spite.

Originally posted by Black Adam
pffffss

thats no way to make a spite thread. I've been told that at his full power Akuma would be more then a match for the Hulk.


You should have made a Akuma and Ken vs Galactus/Thanos/Silver Surfer/Living Tribunal/Phoenix/Eternity/Genis/ match.


Now thats spite.

You forgot Thanos.

Originally posted by samishe
You forgot Thanos.

nope.

Originally posted by Black Adam
nope.

Oh, must've missed him. Sorry.

Wow, things are getting out of hand here.

Shungokusatsu kills the hulk.

But serios what's up with these matches lately?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Shungokusatsu kills the hulk.

But serios what's up with these matches lately?

No it wont kill Hulk. He eats Ryu's head and drops Akuma at the sun.

Hulk will rape the shit out of them both

oh dear god .. you guys are too much

Originally posted by samishe
No it wont kill Hulk. He eats Ryu's head and drops Akuma at the sun.

It kills the soul, therefore hulk dies.
honestly hulk does not have a super soul, gouki wins.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
It kills the soul, therefore hulk dies.
honestly hulk does not have a super soul, gouki wins.

Hulk could thunderclap them before they make a move.

Anyway, I made this thread, so i decided to replace Hulk with the Juggernaut.

What Ryu and Akuma will gonna do about him?

Originally posted by samishe
Hulk could thunderclap them before they make a move.

. Akuma is freakin fast, hulk won't be able to see it coming

And shungokusatsu to juggernaut.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Akuma is freakin fast, hulk won't be able to see it coming

And shungokusatsu to juggernaut.

Akuma can't move faster than Hulk claps his hands, atleast he can't shungokusatsu him faster.

Oh, and with Juggernaut it wont work.

He steps on them both.

Originally posted by samishe
Akuma can't move faster than Hulk claps his hands, atleast he can't shungokusatsu him faster.



Oh, and with Juggernaut it wont work.

He steps on them both.

Dude gouki can move so fast he vanishes don't assume he can't move faster and the hulk is dumb he won't know what shungokusatsu is.

andit will work on juggernaut he doesn't have a super soul period

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Dude gouki can move so fast he vanishes don't assume he can't move faster and the hulk is dumb he won't know what shungokusatsu is.

andit will work on juggernaut he doesn't have a super soul period


Actually he has. It WONT work on Juggernaut. He can't be hurt. Not his body not his soul. Nothing.

Originally posted by samishe
Actually he has. It WONT work on Juggernaut. He can't be hurt. Not his body not his soul. Nothing.

Samishe gouki can hide his presense meaning you will not know he's there, and juggernaut is only physically invincible, not spritually don't make powers up for him.

juggernaut can't be killed or hurt i don't know why is this hard to understand

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Samishe gouki can hide his presense meaning you will not know he's there, and juggernaut is only physically invincible, not spritually don't make powers up for him.

I'm not making up powers for him.
The only thing that works on him is telepathy. Not magic, not anything else.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
juggernaut can't be killed or hurt i don't know why is this hard to understand

Shungokusatsu is not a Physical attack what part of that can't you understand it does not touch the body at all just the soul, show me some proof juggernauts "SOUL" is invincible.

Originally posted by samishe
I'm not making up powers for him.
The only thing that works on him is telepathy. Not magic, not anything else.

Shungokusatsu is not magic.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Shungokusatsu is not magic.

I didn't said it was magic. I only said that nothing works on Juggernaut except TP.

And I asked for proof his soul can never die.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Shungokusatsu is not a Physical attack what part of that can't you understand it does not touch the body at all just the soul, show me some proof juggernauts "SOUL" is invincible.

Juggernaut was attacked many times and not only by physical force.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And I asked for proof his soul can never die.

What proofs? He was just created that way.
Again he CAN'T die at all.

D'spayre took away juggernaut's powers his fskin and flash and his soul and his skelleton was still standing there making d'spayre suprised and he asked how is it possible ? juggernaut said that hatred kept him alive nothing else

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
D'spayre took away juggernaut's powers his fskin and flash and his soul and his skelleton was still standing there making d'spayre suprised and he asked how is it possible ? juggernaut said that hatred kept him alive nothing else

I saw that, and it's a physical attack,I'm talking about something that attacks his soul not his body, show me proof his SOUL is invincible not his body.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I saw that, and it's a physical attack,I'm talking about something that attacks his soul not his body, show me proof his SOUL is invincible not his body.

Stealing soul you call a physical attack?

Originally posted by samishe
Stealing soul you call a physical attack?

It isn't a physical attack I never said it was, It destroys the soul.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
It isn't a physical attack I never said it was, It destroys the soul.

I'm talking about what D'spayre did, he stole his soul. It isn't physical attack.

d'spayre took his soul away so he does not need soul

^So he steps on them.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
d'spayre took his soul away so he does not need soul

I said destroyed his soul.

who care if got his soul taken or destroyed its just the same

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I said destroyed his soul.

No differences, he still wont die. As been said before he doesn't need soul.

Originally posted by samishe
No differences, he still wont die. As been said before he doesn't need soul.

His soul is him, that makes no sense.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
His soul is him, that makes no sense.

May be in SF universe it makes no sense, may be even for Hulk it makes no sense. But Juggernaut simply doesn't need it.

Originally posted by samishe
May be in SF universe it makes no sense, may be even for Hulk it makes no sense. But Juggernaut simply doesn't need it.

Post the pic where it say's he lives without a soul.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Post the pic where it say's he lives without a soul.

That pic where he gets his soul stollen would be ok?
I can make a scan for you, but why? You don't believe my words?

Originally posted by samishe
That pic where he gets his soul stollen would be ok?
I can make a scan for you, but why? You don't believe my words?

I never said that,I read the juggernaut respect post and seen his feats I just wanna be sure.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I never said that,I read the juggernaut respect post and seen his feats I just wanna be sure.

Well OK, i'll search it for you.

Originally posted by samishe
Well OK, i'll search it for you.

thanks.

Shun Goku Satsu forr the kill

Originally posted by shin_remy
Shun Goku Satsu forr the kill

For the kill? And what about someone who can't be killed?

Originally posted by samishe
For the kill? And what about someone who can't be killed?

::Waits for proof juggernaut cannot live without his soul::

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
::Waits for proof juggernaut cannot live without his soul::

I know, looking for it.

Here. Juggernaut's body can't be hurt, so D'spayre uses magic to take everything from him.

"Nothing of this or ANY other world could stop Juggernaut"

second.

Besides that, Thor who is God in Marvel universe couldn't kill Juggernaut. If God couldn't have done it then why Akuma could?

Originally posted by samishe
Besides that, Thor who is God in Marvel universe couldn't kill Juggernaut. If God couldn't have done it then why Akuma could?

samishe a god is a title it doesn't give anything,gill is considerd a god and is ranked with gouki, but gouki seems stronger and that scan doesn't mention his soul.

So what.. Why keep arguing NOTHING CAN KILL JUGGERNAUT!!

Is that hard to understand?? and he simply docent need a soul!

Actually The One Above All is the true God of the Marvel verse.

hahaha lol

te match is between Hulk, Akuma ryu and ken and not JUGGERNAUT


soo ryu, ken and akuma wins this, ( even akuma alone )

Originally posted by shin_remy
hahaha lol

te match is between Hulk, Akuma ryu and ken and not JUGGERNAUT


soo ryu, ken and akuma wins this, ( even akuma alone )

I replaced Hulk with Juggernaut on the previous page. I created thread so i have such right

Even Galactus couldn't kill Juggernaut.
And Akuma comparing to Galactus is sucker.

I'm thinking the Hulk would take this. He has strength feats that dwarf Akuma's best (holding up a mountain range, cracking moons with a punch). He's been clocked at nearly 600 mph on foot and his thunder clap should be sufficient to deal with any speed that Ken and Akuma bring to the table.

I'm not sold that the Shungokusatsu would be an instant kill on Hulk. Direct, spiritual attacks do not have a consistent affect on the Jade Giant(ala Hulk resisting Adam Warlock's Karmic Blast, which is >>>>>>>>>>>>Shungokusatsu). This may have something to do with the fact that Bruce Banner's mind has been unlocked to hundreds of distinct Hulk personalities, souls seperate from Bruce Banner's own. Hulk has even survived without the Banner personality and vice versa.

What happens during the shungokusatsu is that they go to hell. The
demons in hell will attack the person even if they're sin free or not.
They're demons, they'll go at anything. But with evil characters, their
past sins will also haunt on top of the demons attacking them for that
split second. Gen survives this because he empties his spirit, heart and
mind. "Onore wo mu ni suru". "Mu" means emptiness, nothingness. One of the
reasons why Gouken has the kanji "Mu" on his back. It's really not about
how strong the person is but how tuned and focused they are with their mind
and soul.

The user is in danger during the Shun Goku Satsu, too, if he isn't
prepared. Both the user and the target go to hell. Canonwise, Ryu and
Sakura have never done the Shun Goku Satsu.

the demons are the ones who attack the soul not akuma ( so it matters how powerful the demons of marvel are. I herd that Mephisto was practically inviceable in his own realm.

Originally posted by unrealman
What happens during the shungokusatsu is that they go to hell. The
demons in hell will attack the person even if they're sin free or not.
They're demons, they'll go at anything. But with evil characters, their
past sins will also haunt on top of the demons attacking them for that
split second. Gen survives this because he empties his spirit, heart and
mind. "Onore wo mu ni suru". "Mu" means emptiness, nothingness. One of the
reasons why Gouken has the kanji "Mu" on his back. It's really not about
how strong the person is but how tuned and focused they are with their mind
and soul.

The user is in danger during the Shun Goku Satsu, too, if he isn't
prepared. Both the user and the target go to hell. Canonwise, Ryu and
Sakura have never done the Shun Goku Satsu.

the demons are the ones who attack the soul not akuma ( so it matters how powerful the demons of marvel are. I herd that Mephisto was practically inviceable in his own realm.

Okay so mephisto wins

akuma could when alone even

Originally posted by 1021kid
akuma could when alone even

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Originally posted by samishe
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what he said

Originally posted by Acrosurge
I'm thinking the Hulk would take this. He has strength feats that dwarf Akuma's best (holding up a mountain range, cracking moons with a punch). He's been clocked at nearly 600 mph on foot and his thunder clap should be sufficient to deal with any speed that Ken and Akuma bring to the table.

I'm not sold that the Shungokusatsu would be an instant kill on Hulk. Direct, spiritual attacks do not have a consistent affect on the Jade Giant(ala Hulk resisting Adam Warlock's Karmic Blast, which is >>>>>>>>>>>>Shungokusatsu). This may have something to do with the fact that Bruce Banner's mind has been unlocked to hundreds of distinct Hulk personalities, souls seperate from Bruce Banner's own. Hulk has even survived without the Banner personality and vice versa. you have the right idea ..if shungokusatsu attacks hulk's soul, it will be replaced by one of banner's other hulk souls..and if its juggernaut....its juggernaut for crying out loud. phycic attacks are all that work on him...and not too well..

Akuma alone win

Originally posted by MadMel
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
what he said

you have the right idea ..if shungokusatsu attacks hulk's soul, it will be replaced by one of banner's other hulk souls..and if its juggernaut....its juggernaut for crying out loud. phycic attacks are all that work on him...and not too well..

Hold the phone... Juggernaught was not completely physically invulnerable... Onslaught riped the Cytorrak crystal out of his damn chest!

The Shun Goku Satsu's effects on Juggs is in question. ll I can say is it's effects would be unpredictable on a magically enchanted Juggs.

Originally posted by shin_remy
Akuma alone win


Ok, once more.
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Akuma alone wins this!!

Originally posted by shin_remy
Akuma alone wins this!!

Akuma alone gets f@cked like a little b!tch.

LOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL

Originally posted by shin_remy
LOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL

Means you finally agreed?

noo, there are enough people on the forum, that know that Shun Goku satsu would kill him.. You don't even know what it is!!

you don't know anything about sf

Misogi would bring Hulk down...After he is layed down and he is able to stand up ( that is already impressive) for a few seconds, that is enough for him to land his Shun Goku Satsu on him.

The hulk is not focused, he just punshed around like an idiot.

Akuma gives 1 punsh and blowes and comet up that could destroy an third size of the world.. so don't come up with arguments like, he punshes harder

He isn't being called for nothing as ''Sepreme master of the Fists''

''Power made Flesh''

Originally posted by shin_remy
noo, there are enough people on the forum, that know that Shun Goku satsu would kill him.. You don't even know what it is!!

you don't know anything about sf

Misogi would bring Hulk down...After he is layed down and he is able to stand up ( that is already impressive) for a few seconds, that is enough for him to land his Shun Goku Satsu on him.

The hulk is not focused, he just punshed around like an idiot.

Akuma gives 1 punsh and blowes and comet up that could destroy an third size of the world.. so don't come up with arguments like, he punshes harder

He isn't being called for nothing as ''Sepreme master of the Fists''

''Power made Flesh''

Man, you don't even know that this is Juggernaut vs Ken and Akuma know.

I know what is Shun Goku Satsu and if you actually think that it would work on Juggs then you don't know anything about Marvel.

BTW obviously i know about SF MUCH more than you about Marvel.

ooh i thought it was Hulk vs Akuma and Ken

in that case i don't see mutch change for both of them

In fact that JUG is Immortal and even if Akuma brings Major damage all the time, time by time i don't see mutch chance for Akuma

Originally posted by shin_remy
ooh i thought it was Hulk vs Akuma and Ken

in that case i don't see mutch change for both of them

In fact that JUG is Immortal and even if Akuma brings Major damage all the time, time by time i don't see mutch chance for Akuma

Mmmm... was it a sarcasm? If so then i don't get it.

never mind

lol

Originally posted by 1021kid
lol

Another sarcasm? You guys are strange.

i already sent him an pm over this

I still didn't gt a reply...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hold the phone... Juggernaught was not completely physically invulnerable... Onslaught riped the Cytorrak crystal out of his damn chest!

The Shun Goku Satsu's effects on Juggs is in question. ll I can say is it's effects would be unpredictable on a magically enchanted Juggs.
and hulk pwned onslought with one punch ..but thats irrelivent.
i dont think there is anyway of juggernought being killed..ever.

Hulk!

Originally posted by MadMel
and hulk pwned onslought with one punch ..but thats irrelivent.
i dont think there is anyway of juggernought being killed..ever.

Hulk got knocked out by lightning he isn't unstoppable, neither is juggs

Juggernaut is unstopable.

Originally posted by samishe
Juggernaut is unstopable.

That's why onslaught ripped the gem out of his armor and flung him across north america

By unstopable I mean that when he moves forward he can't be stooped. Atleast noone before succided in this, not Hulk nor Thor or anyone else.

Originally posted by samishe
By unstopable I mean that when he moves forward he can't be stooped. Atleast noone before succided in this, not Hulk nor Thor or anyone else.

Or onslaught?

Never read this issue...
Got any scans? And what happened next?

Originally posted by samishe
Never read this issue...
Got any scans? And what happened next?

I read a LOOOONG time ago, I no longer have the comic but If I remember correctly, onslaught flung juggernaut from canada to florida.

So did he physically harmed him?

Originally posted by samishe
So did he physically harmed him?

Well, yeah he ripped through his armor when pulled the gem.

Originally posted by samishe


obviously i know about SF MUCH more than you about Marvel.

?

i don't get it!!

Haha, the onslaught saga?

Originally posted by shin_remy
?

i don't get it!!

He's comparing his lack of knowlege to SF, to your lack of knowledge to marvel.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
He's comparing his lack of knowlege to SF, to your lack of knowledge to marvel.

aah ok

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
He's comparing his lack of knowlege to SF, to your lack of knowledge to marvel.

Thanks for the correction...

I have no idea how old this thread is or anything. For some reason I don't see any of that on the website. Decided to throw out my 2 cents on the subject as I am a nerd who has studied stuff like this for a long time and likes to run mock battles in my head.

Contrary to the general strong current heading both to clear cut victory this area is kind of grey but still somewhat strongly favoring marvel. Keep in mind I try to remain as unbiased as I can in these discussions. First I will take the less grey and much shorter to explain opponent of Juggernaut.

Juggernaut: Firstly yes, one of his express powers is that he is invincible. As we have all seen him injured and sometimes even incapacitated (probably more accurate to reverse those two) then logically we can deduce that the definition of invincible in this case refers to essentially being unkillable. Now for a couple anal people on the board who's names I conveniently forgot and insist on specific canon in comic references, no I don't think at any point in the series they ever expressly state his powers(although it is stated on the marvel wiki which I believe has it's own references and I THINK on the marvel site itself). Which means we need one or more secondary strings of logic to reinforce this idea. In MOST fictional universes, a soul is a unique thing amongst humans and other lesser sentient races, it's supposed to be representative of free will and limitless potential. Now USUALLY more advanced or powerful beings/races are supposed to be devoid of a soul for various reasons one of the most important being that they are more like programs whose power is invested to serve a specific function to the universe regardless of what that is. Galactus for example is invincible out of necessity if I remember correctly, he is a fundamental part of the universe. This forced nature deprives them of free will and fundamentally makes them more like an incredibly advanced AI than a person. The reason why this would be relevant is because Juggernaut is not a mutant but the avatar of a God. His power is an investiture by a powerful elder god of the multiverse. Technically, at every conceivable level, he has been transformed and is no longer fundamentally human. However this is VERY debatable on many points, power boon doesn't necessarily mean loss of soul, there is no canon proof that this is even the case, he doesn't display as much "programmed" behavior as some "higher" beings do, etc. However, at the very least this divine nature stands to reason that he is either reinforced beyond harm, very probably could qualify for that super soul category, or simply out leagued (sorry but it is not only reasonable but assumable that a godhead would simply be immune to this form of attack from it's nature alone). One piece of evidence that does point to "celestial beings" not having souls (correct me if this isn't canon) is that humans can reincarnate but these beings die for good. For the specifics on his invulnerability and the part where it says his soul merged with a gods (which i think would make a super soul) please check out marvel wikia search cain marko.

Hulk: Since it was Hulk stated and not Banner/Hulk, I will exlude any methods of killing banner or reverting the Hulk. I have some trouble admitting that Hulk is more "killable" under any circumstance then the Juggernaut as he has always been a personal favorite of mine. It's the simplicity of a virtually unbeatable strategy. I keep getting madder and stronger until I win, and yes enough strength can start breaking reality and concepts. Having said that, this is still somewhat grey. While the Juggernaut is black and white clear cut beyond killing, the Hulk is just REALLY hard to kill. If we took the Hulk from a purely physical perspective. There is no cut and dry explanation on the full nature of the durability or regenerative capability of the hulk. However, as he can regenerate lost organs and has a regenerative speed to put that chick from heroes to shame, it is safe to assume that he is a perfect replicator capable returning to full form in relatively short order from something potentially as small as a finger or single strand of dna. Since we all know Hulks physical virtual indomitability I feel it's very safe to say that that soul killer technique is the only realistic shot of killing the hulk, but how capable is it? For one thing, I doubt the soul has a very solid definition. Is it an innate spark of divinity we are born with? If so, the hulk was not born, he spontaneously came into being. Is it a culmination of experiences that catalyze into a consciousness? If so, he is perma-stunted mentally and has more in common with animals than people, and therefore may not be capable of developing spiritually. Would Hulk even have a soul? Bruce Banner is the "real guy" where as Hulk is a splinter personality created to cope with a power far to great for his mind to handle, hence it's childishness (humans are not meant to be Gods after all and are not mentally equipped for that kind of power). But even if we assume all of this to be false well, he was STRONGLY hinted at being more of a God than a human or at least in a proto godlike state as he was able to move Thor's hammer which is supposed to not be a matter of physical strength regardless of how vaunted. This would almost certainly mean not possessing a soul, possessing a super soul, or simply being closer to divine in nature and inherently immune like I posited the Juggernaut may be. However, a problem with the Hulk is that, in a world of writers that change character power levels and back story whenever it suits them, he is still one of the most vaguely written in terms of power nature, origins, limits, etc, and one of the most inconsistently portrayed in terms of power level and abilities.

In the end, I would have to say VERY likely that Juggernaut wins and closer to 50/50 with the Hulk.

Actually Akuma would be too fast and Shun Goku Satsu would just kill either Juggernaut or Hulk. Even if they wouldn't die permanently (which is unlikely unless they are M.Bison) they would still lose.

Juggernaut wins.

Originally posted by b64
Actually Akuma would be too fast and Shun Goku Satsu would just kill either Juggernaut or Hulk. Even if they wouldn't die permanently (which is unlikely unless they are M.Bison) they would still lose.

Lol no....both of them would be pretty fine.

Isn't juggernauts powers given to him by the the crimson gem of cyttorak and pretty much his mind body and soul is property of Cyttorak as his avatar of power. I'd imagine his soul is protected as such but sadly nothing i can remember has happened to him where his soul has been under attack.

Only thing close is the fear itself arc where he was possessed by the power of one of the hammers of the serpent and unlike the others who picked them up actually could of resist and rejected the hammer due to his cyttorak enhancements and patronage but allowed the hammer to take him instead.
Not sure if that is even note worthy for this fight but it's the only thing I could think of ATM.

Onslaught is at least a multiversal reality warper who's on par with a Celestial. How does him beating Juggs discredit Juggs in any way?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Onslaught is at least a multiversal reality warper who's on par with a Celestial.

lol


no

Well Onslaught is at least universal since he absorbed Franklin Richards' powers if nothing else

Wow, dead threads rising since 06...