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raw power..... who wins ?

Mindless Hulk... is very very angry in this matchup...

Mangog with ease.

Yea, Im going with Mangog

Mangog would b*tch slap Savage Hulk really REALLY bad!

you are underestimate Mindless Hulk

he has no physical limits

Mindless Hulk would kill the Mangog..... Thor has beaten the Mangog before... and Thor was beaten by the Hulk serveral times

You must not know who Mangog is? he has the power of of billions of people. It would take Hulk too long to match Mangog's strength.

Mindless Hulk reach the level of high angryness.... very very quickly.... you have to know this....

i see Mangog in the class of the BiBeast....and BiBeast was beaten by the Hulk before

a Mindless Hulk.. has no strength limits... he is nearly... unbeatable

not without a good reasone.. Hulk .. is named the most powerful human being in the Universe... and thats the truth ..

Savage Hulk > Mindless by limitations. Mindless Hulk just reached a rage quicker, and was nearly killed when Hercules decided to join the fight. Mangog was a problem for Thor, and Thor had to godblast Mangog in the mouth to kill him. Mindless Hulk dies in a bad way.

Also, Sentry and Dr. Strange are more powerful than Hulk.

The key word is HUMAN, these characters like Mangog are not to be taken lightly. Mangog is strong enough to be valued by Thanos, and thats saying something.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Savage Hulk > Mindless by limitations. Mindless Hulk just reached a rage quicker, and was nearly killed when Hercules decided to join the fight. Mangog was a problem for Thor, and Thor had to godblast Mangog in the mouth to kill him. Mindless Hulk dies in a bad way.

Also, Sentry and Dr. Strange are more powerful than Hulk.

You should name about 50 other characters besides Dr. Strange, and Sentry that are more powerful than Hulk.

Mindless Hulk cannot be beaten by raw power

his physically strength.. has NO limits......

i dont see a way here, that Mangog can put down Mindless Hulk

the only chance Mangog has.... if he could end it very quickly.. but i would doubt this.... so Mangog... is going down

physically.... there is NO individual that is more powerful... than the Mindless Hulk.... except for the HULK KILLER HUMANOID

Mindless Hulk WAS beaten by raw power. Don't make me bring out the scans.

You do realize that Mangog feeds off of anger.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Mindless Hulk WAS beaten by raw power. Don't make me bring out the scans.

Hulk has been beaten so many times that it's not even funny.

Beatuguez there are about 20 or so other characters that are stated to have limitless strength besides Hulk.

Originally posted by Betageuze
physically.... there is NO individual that is more powerful... than the Mindless Hulk.... except for the HULK KILLER HUMANOID

Hasn't Mangog been shown to use energy blasts when he feeds off of anger? Anger is one thing Mindless Hulk has PLENTY of.

no.. in terms of raw physical power... no one.. is stronger then the (limitless) Mindless Hulk.... only HULK KILLER HUMANOID than is in his class...and perhaps.. a very angry Hercules... but not Juggernaut

Hercules, who is WAAAAAAAY under Mangog did the most damage to Mindless Hulk. Namor and Thor barely got hits in. Here's the condensed version.
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Pwned.

Originally posted by Betageuze
no.. in terms of raw physical power... no one.. is stronger then the (limitless) Mindless Hulk.... only HULK KILLER HUMANOID than is in his class...and perhaps.. a very angry Hercules... but not Juggernaut

Uh, the HKH fought Savage Hulk, genius. Also, this isn't about Juggernaut. It's about Mindless Hulk, who wasn't that tough. Also, the HKH wasn't that tough. It was just a big walking sandbag that had enough strength to hurt Hulk. Fighting anything else, it would have died.

perhaps Mindless Hulk can be beaten.. if he is bad written..
but ..under normal circumstances...... everybody would acknowledge

that a full angry Mindless Hulk.. has NO physical power limits..... and is the strongest human beeing in the universe....

only Hulk ... and here WITH the genious of Banner... together... were been able to stop .. the awesome menace of HULK KILLER HUMANOID

No. Thanos is stronger. Champion is stronger. Galactus is Stronger. Tyrant is stronger. So on, so forth. Actually, the Mindless Hulk did have limits, because it had no mind. It was just a wild animal. With no thoughts, you can't have a temper. The Hulk needs his temper to be strong. Also, Mindless Hulk's base level of strength was only 90 tons, which is weaker than Joe Fixit and Professor Hulk.

Thunderstrike:

baah...... this was not a fair matchup

it was Namor, Iron Man, She-Hulk, Wonderman AND Hercules together..... against Hulk.... come one... you are stupid if you see this as a clear one on one fair fight..

Joe Fixit is not 90 ton... he is 80 tons.....

again... Mindless Hulk has no limits....

so he is the most dominant, physically most powerful human beeing...

The others didn't even land more than three hits on him. Hercules didn't even get hurt. Mangog would eat Mindless Hulk alive. Your fanboyisms are beyond Mider's of Slade.

HUMAN is still the key word

the only one who could beat Mindless Hulk .. physically... is the HULK KILLER HUMANOID


anybody else.. goes down.... perhaps in a long hard fight... but Mindless Hulk.. is unbelievable strong

Mindless Hulk would kill Juggernaut in a fight to death...and so he would do to the Mangog

Mangog would destroy the Hulk

Hulk cannot defeat Juggernaut, ok.

If I have to "bring the scans out" you will be upset.

hmm, those scans TS showed are a little misleading. while the avengers did beat him (after 3 issues of constant battle) they were not the TRUE cause of hulk's defeat. according the avengers themselves, the hulk HAD BEEN getting stronger and stronger throughout their battle until the end, where it seemed he was actually WEAKENING. the reason for that was because his separation from banner was killing them both. it was this weakening that led to his defeat. all the avengers together couldn't even hurt him for 3 issues, but then all at once he is staggered and they ko him. again, because he was dying, NOT because they overpowered him. the mindless hulk was unbelieveably strong . . .

as for mangog -- he has not been portrayed as the same near skyfather-level character that he was shown as early in his appearances. thor HAS been able to hang with him for extended periods of time h2h on at least 3 occasions. mangog is clearly stronger than thor, but, if thor could battle him for prolonged periods, how MUCH stronger? i'd say considerably, but the difference isn't SO great as to make mangog invincible.

there was another point someone mentioned -- they said hulk has been beaten lots of times. while that is sort of true, savage hulk has only been beaten in PHYSICAL combat a couple times in his forty year history. invariably, it is an energy attack that takes hulk down. i defy you you anyone to find 5 people in savage hulk's 40+ year history that have ko'd him in physical combat. titannus did so recently in what i have to call PIS. another hulk did it not too long ago as well, but had the exact same powerset -- and in the rematch hulk crushed him. beyond that, there have NOT been many. and NO ONE has ever put down mindless hulk -- unless he was ALREADY dying, of course . . .

so . . . all that to say that i think the fight could go either way. hulk's strength doesn't increase linearly, it increases geometrically and as quickly as it needs to. mangog may start stronger, but after a hit hulk would be close to him, increasing his durability and healing as well.

in a brawl (which is what would likely happen between these 2) it's 50/50 imo.

yes....

a Mindless Hulk would KILL.. the mangog.... because he is flesh and blooed


and also he would defeat .. in a hard matchup... the Juggernaut

both.... Classic Juggernaut AND Mangag... has nothing .. to withstand a Mindless Hulk in a long... brutal battle

the only...small chance .. for each of them in an one on one encounter with Hulk is.. to end it quickly...
but we all know..

that Hulk (especially Mindless Hulk) will reach his limitless strength-levels in a very very short time....

so Mindless Hulk.. is nearly unbeatable.... i give only HULK KILLER HUMANOID the advantage to beat him

Mangog would tear the Hulk to shreds. Even Odin was scared shitless of Mangog.

Mangog>Odin
Odin>Hulk

Mindless Hulk has no limits in his strength... so he beat the Mangog to death....

Mangog tears Hulk apart , Thor had to ram the damn hammer down MG's throat to even HARM the guy. Hulk on the other hand doesn't have the versatility of Thor. He goes down...badly.

would be a long fight... but without a doubt... Mindless Hulk would become such angry....... that would kill the Mangog.... no question

Mangog at his best is low Skyfather level. Hulk loses but after a long long long fight.

Mangog:

Height: 12'
Weight: 3,500 lbs
Intelligence: Normal (4/10)
Strength: Incalculable (12/12)
Speed: Superhuman (6/10)
Stamina: Immeasurable (10/10)
Durability: Demi-godlike (11/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)
Fighting Skills: None, relies on sheer force
Special Skills/Abilities: None
Superhuman physical powers: Mangog has the ability to manipulate vast magical energies for various effects, including projection of concussive force, molecular manipulation of others.
Superhuman Mental Powers: None
Special Limitations: The Mangog will shrink or seemingly vanish if deprived of the mystical/psionic energies that give him his superhuman power
Source of Superhuman Powers: Originally, the Mangog drew his superhuman power from the mystical/psionic energies manifested in the hatred and desire for vengeance felt by others or himself. Later, when disguised as Odin, he sustained himself by the psychic energies of the Asgardians' strong devotion to Odin.
NOTE: the exact nature of the Mangog is unclear. He has often been called a demon, suggesting that he is a supernatural being parasitically dependent on the mystic/psionic energies of other sentient beings. It is also possible that the Mangog is a minor abstract entity incarnating the hatred felt by the alien race, and later, by himself. In that case he may be an avatar of the conceptual entity Hate.
Personal Weaponry: None
Other Accessories: None

Origin: Monster created by the magical union of the billions of alien humanoids of a warlike race which Odin had defeated and cast into oblivion.

It would take War Hulk, Devil, Savage, and Professor Hulk all at their angriest to stand with this guy.

Originally posted by Crease
Mangog:

Height: 12'
Weight: 3,500 lbs
Intelligence: Normal (4/10)
Strength: Incalculable (12/12)
Speed: Superhuman (6/10)
Stamina: Immeasurable (10/10)
Durability: Demi-godlike (11/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)
Fighting Skills: None, relies on sheer force
Special Skills/Abilities: None
Superhuman physical powers: Mangog has the ability to manipulate vast magical energies for various effects, including projection of concussive force, molecular manipulation of others.
Superhuman Mental Powers: None
Special Limitations: The Mangog will shrink or seemingly vanish if deprived of the mystical/psionic energies that give him his superhuman power
Source of Superhuman Powers: Originally, the Mangog drew his superhuman power from the mystical/psionic energies manifested in the hatred and desire for vengeance felt by others or himself. Later, when disguised as Odin, he sustained himself by the psychic energies of the Asgardians' strong devotion to Odin.
NOTE: the exact nature of the Mangog is unclear. He has often been called a demon, suggesting that he is a supernatural being parasitically dependent on the mystic/psionic energies of other sentient beings. It is also possible that the Mangog is a minor abstract entity incarnating the hatred felt by the alien race, and later, by himself. In that case he may be an avatar of the conceptual entity Hate.
Personal Weaponry: None
Other Accessories: None

Origin: Monster created by the magical union of the billions of alien humanoids of a warlike race which Odin had defeated and cast into oblivion.

It would take War Hulk, Devil, Savage, and Professor Hulk all at their angriest to stand with this guy. Why people believe one version of the Hulk could even last a decent amount of time is beyond me.

Dude, Mangog feeds off of hate and anger. The angrier and more hateful the Hulk gets, the stronger Mangog gets. And Mangog starts stronger than the Hulk. The Hulk goes down hard in a relatively quick battle.

That was savage Hulk in those scans

Originally posted by golem370
That was savage Hulk in those scans

Doesn't matter Mangog kicks his ass....

Originally posted by Jabba the Hutt
Dude, Mangog feeds off of hate and anger. The angrier and more hateful the Hulk gets, the stronger Mangog gets. And Mangog starts stronger than the Hulk. The Hulk goes down hard in a relatively quick battle.

that's inaccurate. current mangog has NOT shown the ability to get stronger at all. thor battled him for a long while h2h and he never increased in strength -- at least not according to narration or text.

mangog could and would certainly win a few, but (aside from the o-so-compelling-argument that mangog is 'really powerful' ) i see no reason not to think hulk could get his share as well. they are very similar characters in reality.

1 thing: Mangog is a being that is the sum of an entire race of gods, and his power is nearly immeasurable. The fact he scares Odin is definately testament to his power. Hulk is dead.

Hulk dies

there should be a thread that list the top 10 people on earth who would and could kill Hulk if Marvel allowed it.

There should also be one for Superman

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
1 thing: Mangog is a being that is the sum of an entire race of gods, and his power is nearly immeasurable. The fact he scares Odin is definately testament to his power. Hulk is dead.

an entire race of gods?

they were an alien race that odin defeated and banished. they weren't gods . . .

as i said -- when he first manifested he was very powerful. odin was still more powerful (and could have beat him anytime by shutting him off from his power . . .) but mangog was something of a threat.

since that first time 'round, he has been portrayed as LESS powerful than that. he doesn't get stronger (at least that has never been stated) nor has it been stated that he 'feeds' off hate. there is a great deal of confusion about where his power actually comes from and it has never been stated what the source is definitively. he may absorb psychic energy, but again, no evidence to say that nor was he getting stronger against thor. lately, mangog has been shown to be a very strong, tough brute.

hulk's specialty.

in any event, it is most cretainly not a quick or easy fight for either.

Hulk b**** slaps mangog so hard he feels it even after hes dead.

Mangog.

Mangog's a "cosmic Hulk". I beleive I have just about every Mangog appearance and 200 or so issues of the Hulk... I don't see how Hulk can win. Maybe an unbeleivably enraged Maestro wins a couple.