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Remember the belt doubles Thor's strength.

Doesn't really need it. He'd still kill Hulk. He can still command the storms.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Doesn't really need it. He'd still kill Hulk. He can still command the storms.

Could he fly without the hammer?

Originally posted by JOE NUNEZ
Could he fly without the hammer? i doubt it

If Thanos can handle him with the belt of strength and the Power Gem, then so can Hulk, because they are around the same strength.

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
If Thanos can handle him with the belt of strength and the Power Gem, then so can Hulk, because they are around the same strength. i wouldnt go that far....

You're implying that the Hulk could take on Thanos? Hulk looses this one badly, not only Thor might surpass him in strength now but the fighting skills of the Thunder God are easily above those of the Hulk.

Thor can summon godblasts without the Mjolnir. Ask Durok The Demolisher. A being who use to manhandle Normal Thor and Silver Surfer at the same time. But Thor did kill Durok with a godblast nonetheless. Without his Mjolnir. Hulk is screwed.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Thor can summon godblasts without the Mjolnir. Ask Durok The Demolisher.

Or ask me:

1. http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0216vx.jpg
2. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0228ms.jpg
3. http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0236au.jpg

I have a book where the Hulk was beating Thor pretty good without his Hammer.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Or ask me:

1. http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0216vx.jpg
2. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0228ms.jpg
3. http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0236au.jpg



Maybe I missed something from these scans, but it seems to me like Durok was the one releasing the energy blasts, whilst Thor was kinda directing those blasts back to their source by controlling Durok's aim.

As for Fenris getting blasted: was that from Thor? Again, not clear. What do the following panels show?

Also, I'm not aware of any official Thor bios which state he can release energy w/o Molneer. If there is such official info, please post.

Originally posted by Mindship
Maybe I missed something from these scans, but it seems to me like Durok was the one releasing the energy blasts, whilst Thor was kinda directing those blasts back to their source by controlling Durok's aim.

As for Fenris getting blasted: was that from Thor? Again, not clear. What do the following panels show?

Also, I'm not aware of any official Thor bios which state he can release energy w/o Molneer. If there is such official info, please post.

It's Beta Ray Bill that smacks down Fenris (not really relevant so i didn't include it.... but it is pretty cool)

1. http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0216vx.jpg
2. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0228ms.jpg
3. http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0236au.jpg
4. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0246qb.jpg
5. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0030042tc.jpg
6. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0055yu.jpg

Cool scans, thanks. However, can someone post official/canon text stating Thor (regular, not eye-beam RKT) can release energy w/o Molneer, or show a pic where he is clearly doing so?

(Interestingly enough, when Thor first appeared in the early '60s, he could fire lightning from his hands...but that ability was quickly dropped.)

He can still control storms and lightning without the hammer.... not 100% sure about other energy blasts... but the Godforce should come from within him

OK, stupid question... who is Beta Ray Bill? Can someone give me a bio on him?

Go to his respect thread.

Thor gets his head kicked in and the Hulk walks away without a scratch.

Thor has double the strength? Hulk's done for.

Even with slight less versatility from mjolnir, Thor still wins. His might doubled, and still has command of the storm & lightning to strike Hulk down.

Originally posted by Scoobless
It's Beta Ray Bill that smacks down Fenris (not really relevant so i didn't include it.... but it is pretty cool)

1. http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0216vx.jpg
2. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0228ms.jpg
3. http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0236au.jpg
4. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0246qb.jpg
5. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0030042tc.jpg
6. http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0055yu.jpg

Beta Ray Bill is a Thor fanboy.

Originally posted by golem370
I have a book where the Hulk was beating Thor pretty good without his Hammer.

I have the same book. Thor isn't wearing the belt of strength, and is distracted because he's worried about hurting civilians in the brawl, while Hulk doesn't care. Thor wasn't giving it his all, which happens often because he tries to take Hulk down without killing him, which is hard.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
Remember the belt doubles Thor's strength.

Apparently Thor putting a tree trunk through the Hulk's body using one arm and without the belt of strength or a hammer (not like he had an arm to carry it with) wasn't enough evidence that this comparison is too one-sided.

Having said that, the self-doubting scatter-brained multiple-personality Thor of old would probably would have had a tough time putting down the hulk even with the belt of strength as he never would have gone all out against a mortal and risk killing him.

I think Thor has this one I mean without the belt i would be harder but I think Hulk would still lose but with the belt ouch.....We are forgetting that it weakens him but meh that will be after the big green machine gets a beat down from hell....and for everyone who is like omg why does he get beat up by Hulk most of the time please remember that banner is a good freind of his and there are always civilians around he wouldnt want to kill any of them so instead he takes some for the team instead of killing Banner and the helpless......

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Beta Ray Bill is a Thor fanboy.

Beta Ray Bill is one of the most under-appreciated characters in all of Marvel. After that fight, even Thor must have become a Beta Ray Bill fanboy.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Beta Ray Bill is one of the most under-appreciated characters in all of Marvel. After that fight, even Thor must have become a Beta Ray Bill fanboy.

Beta Ray Bill is badass...and not underrated at all. He's actually perhaps the most liked and appreciated character on any comic book forums...

hey I love Beta Ray BIll

Originally posted by GodofThunder
I think Thor has this one I mean without the belt i would be harder but I think Hulk would still lose but with the belt ouch.....We are forgetting that it weakens him but meh that will be after the big green machine gets a beat down from hell....and for everyone who is like omg why does he get beat up by Hulk most of the time please remember that banner is a good freind of his and there are always civilians around he wouldnt want to kill any of them so instead he takes some for the team instead of killing Banner and the helpless......

Multiple-personality Thor (or MPThor) would always stop short of landing the killing blow and intead stand around and ask hulk if he is ready to give up. Even Ultimate Thor suffers from this. Therefore the Hulk, due to his tremendous healing ability, endurance and complete disregard for the lives of others would just attack again and again and again until he has the advantage. A Thor that is willing to kill is an entirely different proposition.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Beta Ray Bill is badass...and not underrated at all. He's actually perhaps the most liked and appreciated character on any comic book forums...

Yeah I think forumites tend to be more "educated" than the average consumer of comics but he really deserves to play a larger role in the marvel universe.

Thor couldn't beat the Hulk in a straight up fist fight. And he even admitted that Hulk was stronger(yet less powerful) than him. Thor with the Belt Of Strength would require Hulk to reach a higer level of rage, but it can be done. The Hulk has overpowered stronger enemies than Thor.

(Eventhough Thor isn't his enemy)

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Thor couldn't beat the Hulk in a straight up fist fight.

Really? He took on Power Gem Drax and Maxam single handedly and knocked them out easily. Are you saying Hulk could do this?

Thor who is willing to use deadly force is very different from the self-doubting, multiple-personality Thor who is constantly restraining himself when he is around mortals.



When was this? When did Thor say "hulk is stronger than me but I am more powerful"?



Like who?

How can you reach a higher level of rage if youre already filled with nothing but rage?

A fight is a fight, a win is a win, whether it's by fists, hammer, or lightning. Because Hulk can't use a magic hammer and channel God-powered lightning, that's his problem. It's why he logically shouldn't win. ( And Wolverine - logically - shouldn't be able to hang with the Hulk, but that's comics for you...)

Guys this isnt fair this is 2 different leagues guys Class 2 being Thor....and Hulk more like Class 3-4

As previously posted, Thor can still use his powers without the hammer, so unless this is a boxing match than the Hulk can't win this one.

Why not? He's won five times so far.

Because Thor has never wanted to kill Hulk.

Yeah, that must be it

Can you justify how Hulk would beat Thor? You've honestly done nothing yet but say "Hulk Smash"

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Why not? He's won five times so far.

Hulk has beaten Thor five times? He has certainly shown he was more savage in his attacks, more willing to kill, but in all of Hulk-Thor history, never has the Hulk been shown to physically over power Thor. Even in the story you provided, Hulk practically ambushed Thor after they crossed over to this dimension after having been soundly beaten in the other dimension. In all the fights (save one), what we do see is a Thor who repeatedly gains the advantage but fails to strike the killing blow. The one exception being the story where Thor decided that they were too closely matched physically and had no choice but to kill the Hulk in order to win, and, of course, he did so quite easily in the end.

On the other hand, we see what Thor can really do in the Blood and Thunder series when with no "belt of strength" or other augmentation, solely under his own power, he takes people as strong or stronger than the Hulk (like BRB, Silver Surfer, Maxam and Power Gem boosted Drax) and treats them with utter disdain.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Hulk has beaten Thor five times? He has certainly shown he was more savage in his attacks, more willing to kill, but in all of Hulk-Thor history, never has the Hulk been shown to physically over power Thor. Even in the story you provided, Hulk practically ambushed Thor after they crossed over to this dimension after having been soundly beaten in the other dimension. In all the fights (save one), what we do see is a Thor who repeatedly gains the advantage but fails to strike the killing blow. The one exception being the story where Thor decided that they were too closely matched physically and had no choice but to kill the Hulk in order to win, and, of course, he did so quite easily in the end.

On the other hand, we see what Thor can really do in the Blood and Thunder series when with no "belt of strength" or other augmentation, solely under his own power, he takes people as strong or stronger than the Hulk (like BRB, Silver Surfer, Maxam and Power Gem boosted Drax) and treats them with utter disdain.

Amen in every way

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Hulk has beaten Thor five times? He has certainly shown he was more savage in his attacks, more willing to kill, but in all of Hulk-Thor history, never has the Hulk been shown to physically over power Thor. Even in the story you provided, Hulk practically ambushed Thor after they crossed over to this dimension after having been soundly beaten in the other dimension. In all the fights (save one), what we do see is a Thor who repeatedly gains the advantage but fails to strike the killing blow. The one exception being the story where Thor decided that they were too closely matched physically and had no choice but to kill the Hulk in order to win, and, of course, he did so quite easily in the end.

On the other hand, we see what Thor can really do in the Blood and Thunder series when with no "belt of strength" or other augmentation, solely under his own power, he takes people as strong or stronger than the Hulk (like BRB, Silver Surfer, Maxam and Power Gem boosted Drax) and treats them with utter disdain.

The official score is 5-2 in favour of Hulk.

But in one of the confrontations, Thor went all out against the mindless Hulk, which resulted in a stalemate. As do most of their fights except a few:

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-6.jpg http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-7.jpg

Ofcourse, Thor got up pretty soon afterwards. He is a god, after all. But still, he got smacked around pretty badly. Btw, the fight before this one went to Thor.

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/subby35-thor1.jpg http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/subby35-thor2.jpg http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/subby35-thor3.jpg

Also pretty cool:

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk440-1.jpg http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk440-2.jpg

Amusingly, Thor had succumbed to the Warrior's Madness for this fight and went berserk on Young Maestro. Eventually, YM had to save him by "punching him away from groundzero". YM took the full force of Thor and used it.


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Ofcourse, Thor practically raped Professor Hulk to no end. But then again, he is pretty much everybody's *****

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/thor489.jpg

Oh and yes, I guess you could say Hulk took Thor by surprise. But using lightning bolts in the middle of a physical fight is lower on the ladder, in my book.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
The official score is 5-2 in favour of Hulk.

But in one of the confrontations, Thor went all out against the mindless Hulk, which resulted in a stalemate. As do most of their fights except a few:

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-6.jpg http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-7.jpg

Ofcourse, Thor got up pretty soon afterwards. He is a god, after all. But still, he got smacked around pretty badly. Btw, the fight before this one wen to Thor.

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/subby35-thor1.jpg http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/subby35-thor2.jpg
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/subby35-thor3.jpg

Also pretty cool:

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk440-1.jpg http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk440-2.jpg

Amusingly, Thor had succumbed to the Warrior's Madness for this fight and went berserk on Young Maestro. Eventually, YM had to save him by "punching him away from groundzero". YM took the full force of Thor and used it.


---------------

Ofcourse, Thor practically raped Professor Hulk to no end. But then again, he is pretty much everybody's *****

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/thor489.jpg

Oh and yes, I guess you could say Hulk took Thor by surprise. But using lightning bolts in the middle of a physical fight is lower in the ladder, in my book.

We have sed many times that Thor doesnt want to kill Hulk he like Banner quite a bit......But as Hulk he doesnt care about hurting Thor also Thor wouldnt hurt the innocent that is normally surrounding there fights............ read before u post

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Why not? He's won five times so far.

can you name the issues where he's won?

Originally posted by leonidas
can you name the issues where he's won?

Define "won"? As in "Lights out, mr puny Thundergod!"? Or "See ya, must be going now, have fun digging yourself out!"?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Define "won"? As in "Lights out, mr puny Thundergod!"? Or "See ya, must be going now, have fun digging yourself out!"?

How about as in "I killed you even though you had help and I was missing an arm you lumbering beast".

Originally posted by aliveinboston
How about as in "I killed you even though you had help and I was missing an arm you lumbering beast".

Did that happen in a "What If" or something?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Define "won"? As in "Lights out, mr puny Thundergod!"? Or "See ya, must be going now, have fun digging yourself out!"?

i'll suffer whatever definition you used to define his five wins. what issues were you referring to?

The guy who put this site together shows them all. He's very biased when it comes to Thor vs Hulk, and doesn't look at all the angles.
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/subby35-thor.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/thor385.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk440.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-1.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-3.html

Thor wins:
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/thor489.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-2.html

Notice how Hulk has to have the "upper hand" to win, yet Thor has to KO him. Yeah. Makes plenty of sense.

Originally posted by Dayscribe
The guy who put this site together shows them all. He's very biased when it comes to Thor vs Hulk, and doesn't look at all the angles.
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/subby35-thor.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/thor385.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk440.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-1.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-3.html

Thor wins:
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/thor489.html


http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-2.html

Notice how Hulk has to have the "upper hand" to win, yet Thor has to KO him. Yeah. Makes plenty of sense.

exactly and in almost all of them Hulk snuck a punch or he was mad because Thor was trying to calm him down and talk to him because he doesnt want to hurt him in one of those Thor even apologized because he had to KO Hulk I mean he really like Banner there good freinds

yeah, slightly biased. in that same 2001 annual thor alos put hulk down a couple times. funny how those don't count for thor . . .

w/o hammer, imo hulk will usually win if he's done well. w/belt it would be interesting. i really don't know. hulk would increase almost immediately after being struck once, but could he match him fast enough, i'm not sure. theoretically i'd say yes, but given how even they've been shown to be without the belt, i don't think it bodes too well for hulk. current hulk would likely get stomped. classic savage would still be a great fight imo.

thor using all his powers kills hulk any and everytime.

Originally posted by Dayscribe
The guy who put this site together shows them all. He's very biased when it comes to Thor vs Hulk, and doesn't look at all the angles.
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/subby35-thor.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/thor385.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk440.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-1.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-3.html

Thor wins:
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/thor489.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-2.html

Notice how Hulk has to have the "upper hand" to win, yet Thor has to KO him. Yeah. Makes plenty of sense.

I agree that he isn't completely unbiased. But it's sort of a step up from most other fan sites. Hulk or not. And thor didn't have to KO Hulk to win, he just did. Had he just temporarily stopped Hulk like Hulk did Thor, it would've been enough. Because let's face it, 8/10 Hulk-thor fights end in either a draw or one of the two hitting the curb while the other one leaves. So I think this guy isn't being unreasonable to Thor.

I'll just say this...thor cannot win unless he uses his command over the elements...even if thor is beefed up, he better ko hulk early and i mean sucker punch him as soon as he turns into hulk, cuz i don't think even a beefed up thor can take hulk in a brawl...hulk should not be beaten by physical force...

keep trollin...trollin..trollin...

Originally posted by jgiant
I'll just say this...thor cannot win unless he uses his command over the elements...even if thor is beefed up, he better ko hulk early and i mean sucker punch him as soon as he turns into hulk, cuz i don't think even a beefed up thor can take hulk in a brawl...hulk should not be beaten by physical force...

shouldn't and what happens in comics are 2 different things, jg. titannus recently comes to mind. and as much as i cry PIS as well, i still happened.

even dr samson could ko hulk who is class 75 and he is nowhere t thor who's strenght is now doubled

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
even dr samson could ko hulk who is class 75 and he is nowhere t thor who's strenght is now doubled

So what's the point? How many things in comic are consistent. Hulk get knock out by lightning bolt is possible; so isn't hulk taken a full blast from galaxy master without going down.

Even without the hammer, Thor can still summon the "God blast." He could simply blast Hulk the hell away.

Originally posted by batdude123
Even without the hammer, Thor can still summon the "God blast." He could simply blast Hulk the hell away.

Now this i did not know; where and when was this established?

Originally posted by doomsday49
Now this i did not know; where and when was this established?

When he beat the Dark Gods he projected it from his own body but to do so he had to recite all of shakespears sonnets backwards while doing the moonwalk while standing on his arms. But he wouldnt need to do all that to beat the hulk. He just has to lose his inhibitions when it comes to fighting mortals.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
When he beat the Dark Gods he projected it from his own body but to do so he had to recite all of shakespears sonnets backwards while doing the moonwalk while standing on his arms. But he wouldnt need to do all that to beat the hulk. He just has to lose his inhibitions when it comes to fighting mortals.

LMAO..And then what? brawl against the hulk. Ill advise for anyone below celestial level. However if thor uses all his power, he can beat hulk more often than not, but in a brawl, tough to say.

Originally posted by doomsday49
LMAO..And then what? brawl against the hulk. Ill advise for anyone below celestial level. However if thor uses all his power, he can beat hulk more often than not, but in a brawl, tough to say.

So now only a Celestial can beat the Hulk physically? Where do people get this stuff. First Galactus can beat all the Celestials and now even the Hulk can think of taking on Celestials in fisticuffs.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
So now only a Celestial can beat the Hulk physically? Where do people get this stuff. First Galactus can beat all the Celestials and now even the Hulk can think of taking on Celestials in fisticuffs.

LOL....don't be so upset, perhaps you should read my post again.

Originally posted by doomsday49
LOL....don't be so upset, perhaps you should read my post again.

Not upset but saying anyone below Celestial level is a bit too much hyperbole. There are plenty of people on this forum who will then use that as reference to say even more absurd things about the hulk. Thanos, Odin, Galactus, etc are all below Celestial level and all would utterly thrash Hulk in a pure fist fight.

I should add that if we go by best showing then Odin has feats that are above what we have seen from individual celestials.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Not upset but saying anyone below Celestial level is a bit too much hyperbole. There are plenty of people on this forum who will then use that as reference to say even more absurd things about the hulk. Thanos, Odin, Galactus, etc are all below Celestial level and all would utterly thrash Hulk in a pure fist fight.

1. You thinking galactus is above celestial has lowered your credibility greatly.

2. In a brawl, hulk would put up a good fight with anyone of those listed,(beside galactus)but i'll admit he'll lose more often than not. But if they can feel pain, then hulk can inflicted.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
I should add that if we go by best showing then Odin has feats that are above what we have seen from individual celestials.

So by this logic, odin is above Infinity, Eternity, Living Tribunal, right