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No prep. Takes place in New York City. Who wins?

wolverine with a certain amount of ease.

Originally posted by batdude123
No prep. Takes place in New York City. Who wins? Good one dude, Wolverine 7/10

Originally posted by JOE NUNEZ
Good one dude, Wolverine 7/10

Thanks!

Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine with a certain amount of ease.

Iron Fist is being so underrated here

Seriously, Iron Fist can most definitly clean the floor with Wolverine. I mean sure he cant kill him, but then again. No one can.

Iron Fist simply using skill can take down Wolverine, but when he uses his powers its over.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Iron Fist is being so underrated here

Seriously, Iron Fist can most definitly clean the floor with Wolverine. I mean sure he cant kill him, but then again. No one can.

Iron Fist simply using skill can take down Wolverine, but when he uses his powers its over. Thats your opinion, as others are entitled to theirs, so Iron Fist is not being underrated.

Wolverine.

Originally posted by Moderator
Thats your opinion, as others are entitled to theirs, so Iron Fist is not being underrated.

Your telling me to be open minded about people being underrated?!?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Your telling me to be open minded about people being underrated?!? You think Iron Fist takes 10/10 ?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Iron Fist is being so underrated here

Seriously, Iron Fist can most definitly clean the floor with Wolverine. I mean sure he cant kill him, but then again. No one can.

Iron Fist simply using skill can take down Wolverine, but when he uses his powers its over.

you should read fist of the lun kai some time.. wolverine will most definitely wipe his ass with iron fist...

Originally posted by Moderator
You think Iron Fist takes 10/10 ?

well in all fairness a pissed off iron fist is pretty scary...

downright terrifying...

Originally posted by jinzin
downright terrifying...

Damn right he is.

Still, it would be a good fight, but it depends if they are fighting for a knockout or to the death?

I mean no one can beat Wolverine in a fight to the death. Its pretty much impossible

For a knockout, Iron Fist wins it.

Originally posted by Moderator
You think Iron Fist takes 10/10 ?

Maybe not 10/10, but I would say probobly around 5.5/10

Originally posted by Grimm22
Damn right he is.

Still, it would be a good fight, but it depends if they are fighting for a knockout or to the death?

I mean no one can beat Wolverine in a fight to the death. Its pretty much impossible

For a knockout, Iron Fist wins it.

no he really doesn't... he'll die... rather handily at that...

I'd say 50-50

Nice match up. Both are pretty even in terms of skills, Wolvie has a healing factor but Danny can also heal himself. Wolverine has an intial advantage in terms of speed, strength and agility but Danny is a best once he does his chi amp thing. Danny has done some impressive things with his Iron Fist, but I'm thinking Wolvie's adamantium might be too much to overcome. Danny would get an edge if he managed to chi amp but I still don't think that could keep Wolverine down. I'd say Logan 5.5/10

Hurm... hard. Probably Fist 5.5/10. If we're talking knockout.

Originally posted by batdude123
No prep. Takes place in New York City. Who wins?

Not only would wolvering be unable to lay a finger on Iron Fist but a strike by iron fist to wolverine's head could cause such a terrible concussion that it would jumble the brains of Wolverine to the point where he would become a vegetable. The bleeding in the brain would heal and the neurons would reconnect but memories, learning, etc..., would all be gone so although the brain would physically heal, Wolverine as a person would no longer exist.

what ever dude wolverine handles iron fist. Wolverine can lay his hands on spiderman and cap america he can tag and kill iron fist. not that it's going to be too easy I give wolverine 6 out of 10

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Not only would wolvering be unable to lay a finger on Iron Fist but a strike by iron fist to wolverine's head could cause such a terrible concussion that it would jumble the brains of Wolverine to the point where he would become a vegetable. The bleeding in the brain would heal and the neurons would reconnect but memories, learning, etc..., would all be gone so although the brain would physically heal, Wolverine as a person would no longer exist.
and this strike would pass right by the adamntium skull......Deadpool and Iron fist were both pretty muh on the same fighting level. Wolverine would probably take this but Iron fist has a good chance
wolverine 5.5/10

Didn't Iron Fist beat the crap outta Spider-man? I don't know if it's relevant to the fight, but he can do crazy sh*t like that.

What the heck? When did Iron Fist ever beat the crap out of Spider-Man?

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Not only would wolvering be unable to lay a finger on Iron Fist but a strike by iron fist to wolverine's head could cause such a terrible concussion that it would jumble the brains of Wolverine to the point where he would become a vegetable. The bleeding in the brain would heal and the neurons would reconnect but memories, learning, etc..., would all be gone so although the brain would physically heal, Wolverine as a person would no longer exist.

How do you figure Wolverine can't lay a finger on Iron Fist. Danny is not Spider-Man and Sabretooth, Captain America and Daredevil have all managed to at least touch him.

Besides Wolverine's memories have been shown to heal from mental trauma and well as physical damage.

sure he can "heal" himself, but he can't regenerate. a swipe from his claws would so cleanly take his head off. he can't use the iron fist one right after another, it drains him too much. and even though its at super human levels, its not like a punch from superman or juggernaut. wolverine would survive it, and regenerate to 100% as he's fighting. wolverine would win, though i have respect for iron fist

Adamantium Fist >>> Iron Fist.

Wolverine has all the physical advantages.
Way more experience.
Way more training.
Wolverine took out Shang-Chi like it was nothing.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Not only would wolvering be unable to lay a finger on Iron Fist but a strike by iron fist to wolverine's head could cause such a terrible concussion that it would jumble the brains of Wolverine to the point where he would become a vegetable. The bleeding in the brain would heal and the neurons would reconnect but memories, learning, etc..., would all be gone so although the brain would physically heal, Wolverine as a person would no longer exist. This is blatantly BS. The Hulk can't put Wolverine down with one blow. Iron Fist does not hit harder than the Hulk. Even if Danny could splatter Wolverine's brains (which he couldn't) Wolverine can heal brain damage at a rediculously fast rate. In the Punisher/Wolverine mini from a few years back Wolverine gets an arrow shot straight through his head via the ear. A couple panels later he's back up and running.

Originally posted by marvelprince
What the heck? When did Iron Fist ever beat the crap out of Spider-Man?

Look on the first couple of pages of the Iron Fist Respect thread.

Originally posted by batdude123
Look on the first couple of pages of the Iron Fist Respect thread.

where the hell is the iron fist respect thread?!?!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t401926.html
Right here.

sweet action.

Im tempted to go for wolverine in this fight

IMO logan wins 6 or 7/10

logan with out a doubt.
luke cage and iron fist togather vs this bad guy that was a iron fist on mad steroids and they lost horriably, while wolverine by him self was able to stalemated the guy.

I say Iron Fist could win this one, but it'd be close.

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*puts two cents back into pocket*

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Not only would wolvering be unable to lay a finger on Iron Fist but a strike by iron fist to wolverine's head could cause such a terrible concussion that it would jumble the brains of Wolverine to the point where he would become a vegetable. The bleeding in the brain would heal and the neurons would reconnect but memories, learning, etc..., would all be gone so although the brain would physically heal, Wolverine as a person would no longer exist.


he wouldn't lay a finger on him . . .

sounds like someone doesn't like wolverine . . .

has not wolverine defeated shang chi and stick? he's also shown to be equal to cap who in fist's own series was kicking the crap -- easily -- out of fist until he got an ironfist on cap's shield. which didn't do much, just sort of po'd cap . . . wolverine has probably had the better showings against spiderman as well.

wouldn't lay a finger on him?

it IS a close fight, but prolly logan 6/10 cuz of that damn healing factor . . .

and damn you all -- i have now DEFENDED wolverine on 2, TWO! separate threads! death to anti-fanboyism!!!!!!!!!

and jin -- long live the JLAKMC, bro!

indeed..

Originally posted by jinzin
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*puts two cents back into pocket*

What version of Iron Fist was that Jin? Then again, theres two sides to every coin.

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After apparently getting the best of Wolvie in the first round, Danny then continued to punk the other X-Men. This fight could go either way imo.

ah, yes, from fist's first series. that was a good issue. of course wolvie got up after that . . . which is why i think his healing factor would be the deciding factor, ultimately. and wolvie has improved (skill-wise) since then as well. but good scans jrod. i'd forgotten all about that issue!

Originally posted by jrodslam
What version of Iron Fist was that Jin? Then again, theres two sides to every coin.
After apparently getting the best of Wolvie in the first round, Danny then continued to punk the other X-Men. This fight could go either way imo. Not really two sides to this coin. This fight happened long before Logan had any kind of high level fighting skill and his healing factor was 1/10 of what it is now. And even with these drawbacks Iron Fist still couldn't do anything to stop Wolverine. Even getting tossed out of a 5 story window wouldn't stop him back then. Right after he gets tossed out Colossus tossed him back up and the fight could have been back on.

I also love how people manage to always hit Wolverine in the face when he's lunging at them, even though he's got a 12 inch reach advantage with the claws. Funny how that works.

Originally posted by riceroost
Not really two sides to this coin. This fight happened long before Logan had any kind of high level fighting skill

This happened before Weapon X/Samurai/Black Ops training?

So you say that this story was based somewhere around...before the birth of Iron Fist...?

Sorry, but I think that Logan had VERY good combat skills before he even met etc. X-Men...actually, he has learned most of his combat skills before Iron Fist was even born.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
This happened before Weapon X/Samurai/Black Ops training?

So you say that this story was based somewhere around...before the birth of Iron Fist...?

Sorry, but I think that Logan had VERY good combat skills before he even met etc. X-Men...actually, he has learned most of his combat skills before Iron Fist was even born.

in theory, i think you're right of course, dc. when i said his skill has increased, i meant that his skills have been better portrayed, accented and recognized. in his early years he was often just a berserker attacking savagely but without a lot of skill. it wasn't until miller's mini that i think logan became known for his h2h skills. and that issue of ironfist (late 70's i think) came out before the wolverine mini (c1982ish?)

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
This happened before Weapon X/Samurai/Black Ops training?

So you say that this story was based somewhere around...before the birth of Iron Fist...?

Sorry, but I think that Logan had VERY good combat skills before he even met etc. X-Men...actually, he has learned most of his combat skills before Iron Fist was even born. That's exactly what I'm saying. Iron Fist met Wolverine before Weapon X/Samurai/and Black Ops were added to his back story. Sooooo Wolverine didn't have those skills when he met Iron Fist.

If Wolverine fought Fist today not only would he be laughing off Fist's attacks like back in the day, but he would be hitting him back a lot more, since today he does have Samurai, black ops, etc.

Originally posted by riceroost
That's exactly what I'm saying. Iron Fist met Wolverine before Weapon X/Samurai/and Black Ops were added to his back story. Sooooo Wolverine didn't have those skills when he met Iron Fist.

If Wolverine fought Fist today not only would he be laughing off Fist's attacks like back in the day, but he would be hitting him back a lot more, since today he does have Samurai, black ops, etc. sad but true...

couldn't Iron Fist Be able to find a pressure point on wolverine? Just curious...

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
couldn't Iron Fist Be able to find a pressure point on wolverine? Just curious... those dont work for so long on wolverine....didnt you see what he did to spock?

what did he do to spock!?!?!

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
what did he do to spock!?!?! handeled him

well that's Garbage and you KNOW IT!!!! Spock would TOTALLY kick wolverines ass

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
well that's Garbage and you KNOW IT!!!! Spock would TOTALLY kick wolverines ass he gave him the vulcan death grip. but then wolverine healed and knocked him on his ass.

no WAY!!! you KNOW that wouldn't happen!!! He's.... he's fricken' Spock

Leonard NEMOY would beat wolverine with his fuggin' VOICE!

Originally posted by King KAM
he gave him the vulcan death grip. but then wolverine healed and knocked him on his ass. Ha Ha! That was classic.
Wolverine gets right back up. "Fascinating!"


Wolverine's knowledge of pressure points should be just as good, if not better than Fist's anyway.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What version of Iron Fist was that Jin? Then again, theres two sides to every coin.

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After apparently getting the best of Wolvie in the first round, Danny then continued to punk the other X-Men. This fight could go either way imo.

what version of Iron fist?
I have no idea.. I wasn't aware there were different versions in all honesty...

as for this fight... hmmm well while it APPEARS that iron fist has the upper hand.. it does little more than prove Iron Fist can through logan through a window.. it doesn't really prove he can win in a fight though.

wolverine meet spock:http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stx91qd.jpg


spock meet healing factor: http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stx104qa.jpg

Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine meet spock:http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stx91qd.jpg


spock meet healing factor: http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stx104qa.jpg jinzin.....

what?

Originally posted by jinzin
what? i love u....

Bring back that lovin feelin....OOOOOH THAT LOOOOOOOVIN FEEEEEEELIN!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by King KAM
i love u....

Originally posted by jinzin
what version of Iron fist?
I have no idea.. I wasn't aware there were different versions in all honesty...

as for this fight... hmmm well while it APPEARS that iron fist has the upper hand.. it does little more than prove Iron Fist can through logan through a window.. it doesn't really prove he can win in a fight though.


Um The reality is Danny probably couldn't put Wolverine down for the count simply because of his healing factor but in that Fight not only was Wolveirne handled he was beaten. You get handled the way IF did Wolverine and then IF threw Wolverine out of a window thats a win, Wolverine was handled.

Originally posted by Soleran
Um The reality is Danny probably couldn't put Wolverine down for the count simply because of his healing factor but in that Fight not only was Wolveirne handled he was beaten. You get handled the way IF did Wolverine and then IF threw Wolverine out of a window thats a win, Wolverine was handled.

not really.. he was tossed out of a window.. and he got tossed right back in before the fight was interupted... It almost seems like wolverine's just letting IF hit him because he knows he can take the punches... in any case it doesn't prove IF can beat him, just proves he can avoid him for a bit, and throw him out a window...

Originally posted by jinzin
not really.. he was tossed out of a window.. and he got tossed right back in before the fight was interupted... It almost seems like wolverine's just letting IF hit him because he knows he can take the punches... in any case it doesn't prove IF can beat him, just proves he can avoid him for a bit, and throw him out a window...


Maybe it seems that way to you but it didn't to me what so ever. IF handling Wolverine like that and throwing him out a window in a fight is as good as a win, no matter how you want to downplay it. Last I heard or saw no dumbarse in a fight really wants to sit there and throw punchs to beat someone up, its all about ending the fight as soon as possbile with the minimum amount of effort.

Wolverine's craptastic healing factor is one of the greatest factors keeping him alive in most fights.

Originally posted by Soleran
Maybe it seems that way to you but it didn't to me what so ever. IF handling Wolverine like that and throwing him out a window in a fight is as good as a win, no matter how you want to downplay it. Last I heard or saw no dumbarse in a fight really wants to sit there and throw punchs to beat someone up, its all about ending the fight as soon as possbile with the minimum amount of effort.

Wolverine's craptastic healing factor is one of the greatest factors keeping him alive in most fights.

like I said before.. at face value it APPEARS that iron fist is the winner.. however if you actually rationalize what goes on in the fight, wolverine is just taking his hits and smiling, he's practically just letting himself get hit because IF's punches and kicks aren't doing anything but knocking him back... and getting thrown out of a window doesn't mean that you've lost the fight, especially when you get thrown right back in...

I mean for instance, deathstroke threw collousus of a cliff face... guess that means ds can beat collosus in a h2h as well right? going by your logic that's exactly what that means, and we all know that isn't true.

Originally posted by Soleran
Um The reality is Danny probably couldn't put Wolverine down for the count simply because of his healing factor but in that Fight not only was Wolveirne handled he was beaten. You get handled the way IF did Wolverine and then IF threw Wolverine out of a window thats a win, Wolverine was handled.


He was handled, no matter how you want to speculate about Wolverine's actions Jinzin the drawings show Wolverine being handled and it wasn't even that hard for IF. So please read my quote up above and tell me where I said IF would really beat Wolverine. I said he handled Wolverine and it is a win but I never said he really beat Wolverine and he most likely won't without some DD chop to the neck and fall on a sword action.

That said as I have said it before, Wolverine gets more wins and what not because his healing factor saves him and frequently at that.

Originally posted by Soleran
He was handled, no matter how you want to speculate about Wolverine's actions Jinzin the drawings show Wolverine being handled and it wasn't even that hard for IF. So please read my quote up above and tell me where I said IF would really beat Wolverine. I said he handled Wolverine and it is a win but I never said he really beat Wolverine and he most likely won't without some DD chop to the neck and fall on a sword action.

That said as I have said it before, Wolverine gets more wins and what not because his healing factor saves him and frequently at that.

I simply think it only appears that way at face value really.. it looks like wolverine wasn't fighting using the best of his abilities letting iron fist punch him because he knew he could take it... and as stated before.. wolverine came right back.

Originally posted by marvelprince
What the heck? When did Iron Fist ever beat the crap out of Spider-Man?
Never.

I only remember two fights between IF and Spider-Man, and Spider-Man won them both (he hadn't it easy though, because he underestimated Iron Fist - bad mistake - but in the end, he won, or was at least dominating the fight).

Someone has to answer one question.

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Why in the hell is Wolverine wearing that ridicolous costume?

Originally posted by jinzin
I simply think it only appears that way at face value really.. it looks like wolverine wasn't fighting using the best of his abilities letting iron fist punch him because he knew he could take it... and as stated before.. wolverine came right back.

It's not like Iron fist used every trick at his disposal there, either.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Someone has to answer one question.

http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironfist15enterthexmen070xc.jpg
Why in the hell is Wolverine wearing that ridicolous costume?

He was hit with some sort of fiery energy attack when the x-men where fighting some Shiar Guardsmen (I think). His costume was incinerated so he jumped some guy and stole his.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He was hit with some sort of fiery energy attack when the x-men where fighting some Shiar Guardsmen (I think). His costume was incinerated so he jumped some guy and stole his.

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Well, sounds like something Wolverine would do.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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Well, sounds like something Wolverine would do.

... whats the problem?

Nothing...

It's just something I imagine Wolverine doing. He's crazy like that.

Originally posted by Soleran
Um The reality is Danny probably couldn't put Wolverine down for the count simply because of his healing factor but in that Fight not only was Wolveirne handled he was beaten. You get handled the way IF did Wolverine and then IF threw Wolverine out of a window thats a win, Wolverine was handled. To my knowledge the only way you can WIN a fight is if your opponent is knocked out, physically incapable of continuing, submits, or uses the Nike Jiu-Jitsu and runs like hell..

Wolverine did none of these things, therefor Iron Fist didn't win a damn thing.

Iron Fist may not have used EVERY skill at his disposal, but Wolverine didn't bother using ANY skills of his own. He just laughed off Iron Fist's shots and mocked him.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Nothing...

It's just something I imagine Wolverine doing. He's crazy like that.

It was the ellipsis, they made it sound sarcastic.

Ah. Well, that wasn't my intention.

bump.... How does Wolverine do WITH his claws?

I would give it to Iron Fist in the other thread, in this one? Probably Wolverine. Either way, it is a very close fight.

agreed.

Iron fist, easily.

Can I use the Storm-tards argument about potential?

"My capabilities of infinite depth."

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Originally posted by llagrok
Iron fist, easily.
please give a good reason why.


before you talk Logan beat an IF how had greater power then likly even current IF has.


and you act like im the bias one lol.

Originally posted by Soljer
Can I use the Storm-tards argument about potential?

"My capabilities of infinite depth."

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hahahahahaha

Anywho, I used to give this a pretty much 5/10 to each.

With the Iron Fist's current growth, however, I may have to re-evaluate my original opinion.

I'm going to go ahead and wait it out just a bit, though, to see the true expansion of Danny's power.

Originally posted by Soljer
Anywho, I used to give this a pretty much 5/10 to each.

With the Iron Fist's current growth, however, I may have to re-evaluate my original opinion.

I'm going to go ahead and wait it out just a bit, though, to see the true expansion of Danny's power.
I still thnk Logan takes the majority.

Logan claws give him a reach adavntage well be a small target. Danny can run out of energy using the IF. He gunna have to use full powered IF attacks which will drain his energy.

I also don't think He can simply Ko Logan with a single attack

Logan wins the majority.

that just my opinion


though depending on these current up grades that could change

i give the majority to wolverine 7/10. Danny's good and would give wolverine trouble.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I still thnk Logan takes the majority.

Logan calws give him a reach adavntage well be a small target. Danny can run out of energy usi ng the IF. He gunna have to use full powered IF attacks whcih will drain his energy.

I also don't think He can simply Ko Logan with a single attack

Logan wins the majority.

that just my opinion


though depending on these current up grades that could change

That's the thing, though, we may not know the FULL extent of Danny's upgrades yet, but we know that his chi reservoir has expanded CONSIDERABLY - more than doubled. Giving him at least twice as many chances, or twice as much power.

Not to mention the fact that he can use the Iron Fist at range - meaning that Logan's claws hardly give him any reach advantage.

Originally posted by Soljer
That's the thing, though, we may not know the FULL extent of Danny's upgrades yet, but we know that his chi reservoir has expanded CONSIDERABLY - more than doubled. Giving him at least twice as many chances, or twice as much power.

Not to mention the fact that he can use the Iron Fist at range - meaning that Logan's claws hardly give him any reach advantage.

true so we won't know until a few more arcs. Till his powers are really exsplored and explained.


I though he had to use weapons for his range attack aka arrows in such.

which he won't have in a fight. also Logan not the easiest person to hit with projectiles when he don't want to be hit.


though I agree we have to see how much IF has truely changed

Originally posted by Battlehammer
true so we won't know until a few more arcs. Till his powers are really exsplored and explained.


I though he had to use weapons for his range attack aka arrows in such.

which he won't have in a fight. also Logan not the easiest person to hit with projectiles when he don't want to be hit.


though I agree we have to see how much IF has truely changed

Nah. In the very first issue, he used the Iron Fist at range against a whole group of attackers - a ranged area attack, making dodging even more difficult.

Originally posted by Soljer
Nah. In the very first issue, he used the Iron Fist at range against a whole group of attackers - a ranged area attack, making dodging even more difficult.
do you have a scann. I like to see this thats pritty cool.


also we don't know how powerful they are. I would assume there quite weak compared to his melee attacks

Originally posted by Battlehammer
do you have a scann. I like to see this thats pritty cool.


also we don't know how powerful they are. I would assume there quite weak compared to his melee attacks

It's unclear. It didn't seem to drain him any more than normal, and it affected an entire group of enemies. Of course, they were just hydra soldiers, but, as we know, Danny can make his fist more or less powerful as the situation calls for it.

One moment, I'll see if I can get a scan.

Originally posted by Soljer
That's the thing, though, we may not know the FULL extent of Danny's upgrades yet, but we know that his chi reservoir has expanded CONSIDERABLY - more than doubled. Giving him at least twice as many chances, or twice as much power.

Not to mention the fact that he can use the Iron Fist at range - meaning that Logan's claws hardly give him any reach advantage.

but you fail to realize that all wolverine has to do is one shot him, which he is capable of doing. I agree, danny will land some blows but would he be able to land licks before wolverine get that one lick in that would slow him down or kill him.

Wolverine wins 7/10

Originally posted by Soljer
It's unclear. It didn't seem to drain him any more than normal, and it affected an entire group of enemies. Of course, they were just hydra soldiers, but, as we know, Danny can make his fist more or less powerful as the situation calls for it.

One moment, I'll see if I can get a scan.
thanks.


but does that work with range attacks and so forth.


this is such a hard thing to debate since there such new upgrades no one really knows what they can truelly do yet.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2289/rangedareaironfistvn3.jpg

Not a GREAT range in that instance, but it was still a large enough range and area to take out a group of seven Hydra, and Danny didn't seem drained in the least.

And, this was before he received his Chi-upgrade from Orson Randall, and before he received the Book of the Iron Fist.

Originally posted by carver9
but you fail to realize that all wolverine has to do is one shot him, which he is capable of doing. I agree, danny will land some blows but would he be able to land licks before wolverine get that one lick in that would slow him down or kill him.

Wolverine wins 7/10

But you're failing to realize that it's not too unlikely that all the Iron Fist needs is one shot as well. .

That's why I used to set this at 5/10 - comparable speed, comparable skill, comparable damage output.

With his new upgrades, though, it would seem that Danny may have surpassed Wolverine.

Of course, I am not making any decisions about my initial opinion as of yet - like I said, I'm going to wait till we see the full depth and breadth of Danny's upgrades.

Originally posted by Soljer
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2289/rangedareaironfistvn3.jpg

Not a GREAT range in that instance, but it was still a large enough range and area to take out a group of seven Hydra, and Danny didn't seem drained in the least.

And, this was before he received his Chi-upgrade from Orson Randall, and before he received the Book of the Iron Fist.
till we see what his limits are and if he can indeed power it up and so forth it all simply speculation on both are parts.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
till we see what his limits are and if he can indeed power it up and so forth it all simply speculation on both are parts.

Sure - but it isn't speculation to say that Iron Fist can put more or less chi into each strike. He's varied his powers from minimal to top-tier many times.

It also isn't speculation to say that if Wolverine WERE hit with such a blast, he'd likely be taken off his feet.

If Wolverine IS taken off his feet, it isn't speculation that a skilled, standing opponent would be at an advantage.

If said opponent is at an advantage, I'd say he'd have a much easier time landing that crucial Iron Fist to put Logan out of the fight.

To end, though; I STILL won't change my original opinion of 5/10.

Not till I see a little more from Danny.

To say that Logan wins a clear majority, though, is just not giving Danny nearly enough respect. In my opinion, anyways.

Originally posted by Soljer
Sure - but it isn't speculation to say that Iron Fist can put more or less chi into each strike. He's varied his powers from minimal to top-tier many times.
true and it also not speculation to say he can run out of energy,

Originally posted by Soljer
It also isn't speculation to say that if Wolverine WERE hit with such a blast, he'd likely be taken off his feet.

im not sure I mean they have failed to do so before.

Originally posted by Soljer
If Wolverine IS taken off his feet, it isn't speculation that a skilled, standing opponent would be at an advantage.
here the thing if such attack did nock he off his feat it would also send him flying away which means by the time IF reached Logan Logan would be on his feet.



Originally posted by Soljer
To end, though; I STILL won't change my original opinion of 5/10.

Not till I see a little more from Danny.

To say that Logan wins a clear majority, though, is just not giving Danny nearly enough respect. In my opinion, anyways.

till I see what current danny can really do and his limitation I leave it at 5/10

though dany prior to this arc I would give Logan 7/10

Meh, prior to his new run, even Jinzin said it'd be a close fight, .

7/10 seems pretty clear cut to me.

Oh well, coming from you, 5/10 is some respect.

Originally posted by Soljer
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2289/rangedareaironfistvn3.jpg
I think, I'll give Danny the slight majority with that type of range..

6/10 Iron Fist.

Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, prior to his new run, even Jinzin said it'd be a close fight, .

7/10 seems pretty clear cut to me.

Oh well, coming from you, 5/10 is some respect.
jinzin also thinks it 7/10 I believe. be hard fights ever time though with out a doubt.


thank you.

Originally posted by Soljer
But you're failing to realize that it's not too unlikely that all the Iron Fist needs is one shot as well. .

That's why I used to set this at 5/10 - comparable speed, comparable skill, comparable damage output.

With his new upgrades, though, it would seem that Danny may have surpassed Wolverine.

Of course, I am not making any decisions about my initial opinion as of yet - like I said, I'm going to wait till we see the full depth and breadth of Danny's upgrades.

danny before his upgrades, I didnt consider him par with wolverine. I considered him equal to daredevil. Now with his recent upgrades he might be equal to cap and wolverine.

The scan you showed was nice but I dont think that it would pack enough force to keep wolverine down BUT danny is a good fighter and he might press his attack which could make things difficult for wolverine. Im going to put it at 5/10 also until I see danny fight someone worth bringing up.

Originally posted by JasonK4
I think, I'll give Danny the slight majority with that type of range..

6/10 Iron Fist.

I think, if I were to guess, I'd probably say about the same.

Prior to his upgrades (pre-current-bump) I believe I said Wolverine would take a hard-fought majority. Probably 6/10.

I really figure that that'd switch, now to Iron Fist taking about 6/10.

Which, I guess, is comparable to Capt saying that Iron Fist would take 3/10 to 5/10 - a 'two win' increase.

Go figure.

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lol

Originally posted by carver9
danny before his upgrades, I didnt consider him par with wolverine. I considered him equal to daredevil. Now with his recent upgrades he might be equal to cap and wolverine.

The scan you showed was nice but I dont think that it would pack enough force to keep wolverine down BUT danny is a good fighter and he might press his attack which could make things difficult for wolverine. Im going to put it at 5/10 also until I see danny fight someone worth bringing up.

Before his upgrades, he was fast enough to weave between bullets, just like Wolverine does, was strong enough to punch steel girders in half (without the use of the Iron Fist), and when he DID want to exhaust himself and put his power into an Iron Fist, he could hit like a top tier brick.

Now, he is faster and more skilled than before, can heal himself if he has a moment of rest, and has more than twice the chi to call upon.

Originally posted by Soljer
Before his upgrades, he was fast enough to weave between bullets, just like Wolverine does, was strong enough to punch steel girders in half (without the use of the Iron Fist), and when he DID want to exhaust himself and put his power into an Iron Fist, he could hit like a top tier brick.

Now, he is faster and more skilled than before, can heal himself if he has a moment of rest, and has more than twice the chi to call upon.
So Soljer, when can we expect a revamped IF respect thread?

Originally posted by JasonK4
So Soljer, when can we expect a revamped IF respect thread?

*laughs*

Give it a few more issues of the Immortal, and I'll see what I can scrounge together. I was actually thinking about it, unless Accel or Thorion do another. Their older ones weren't bad.

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Originally posted by Soljer
Before his upgrades, he was fast enough to weave between bullets, just like Wolverine does, was strong enough to punch steel girders in half (without the use of the Iron Fist), and when he DID want to exhaust himself and put his power into an Iron Fist, he could hit like a top tier brick.

Now, he is faster and more skilled than before, can heal himself if he has a moment of rest, and has more than twice the chi to call upon.

Everything you named beast can do but he isnt any better than wolverine. Danny was power and is still powerful (dont know the extent yet) but he never displayed anything to prove to me that he can beat wolverine. He showed me that he can hang with him, just didnt show enough that would put wolverine down for the count. If you have someone that is almost everything that you are but you are the better fighter and you have the ability to one shot your opponent, its a most def that you would win (im referring to previous danny) Now that he got his upgrade he has a better chance but we dont know where he is at until he displays some kind of decent feat against someone who is actually good instead of ninjas.

Originally posted by Soljer
*laughs*

Give it a few more issues of the Immortal, and I'll see what I can scrounge together. I was actually thinking about it, unless Accel or Thorion do another. Their older ones weren't bad.

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Cool, if you ever decide to make one or add to the existing one, let me know and I will gladly help out with the scans.

Originally posted by JasonK4
Cool, if you ever decide to make one or add to the existing one, let me know and I will gladly help out with the scans.

Well, I have all of Immortal Iron Fist, and all of Iron Fist V1, V2, V3, and V4.

I don't have any of the cross-over stuff, or his run with Luke Cage (though I am looking for the Power Man/Iron Fist runs). I also don't have his showings in the New Avengers, if there is anything he's done impressive in those issues.

Anything you got there?

when nI go home look through the new avengers comics for you.


world war hulk he had a pritty good feat of mtaching one of hulks hench mens punches

Originally posted by Battlehammer
when nI go home look through the new avengers comics for you.


world war hulk he had a pritty good feat of mtaching one of hulks hench mens punches

Right! Hiroim of the Oldstrong or whatever. Which book was that in? I know I own it, but I can't remember where it was, .

Originally posted by Soljer
Right! Hiroim of the Oldstrong or whatever. Which book was that in? I know I own it, but I can't remember where it was, .
hmm im not sure lol. I know I own it as well. well I think I own it a least

Iron Fist hit Hiroim in WWH: 3

Gracias.

thanks

Originally posted by Soljer
Well, I have all of Immortal Iron Fist, and all of Iron Fist V1, V2, V3, and V4.

I don't have any of the cross-over stuff, or his run with Luke Cage (though I am looking for the Power Man/Iron Fist runs). I also don't have his showings in the New Avengers, if there is anything he's done impressive in those issues.

Anything you got there?
I have the Immortal 1-7 and buying 8 on Monday.
I have the Cross-over with wolverine and couple of the New-Avengers, although I think the only big fights they have had are with the ninja's.

These are the one's I'm currently downloading

Marvel Team-up
Marvel 2-in-1
Deadly Hands of Kung Fu
New Warriors
Namor the Sub-Mariner
Marvel Comics Presents
Black Panther
Power Man and Iron Fist
Heroes for Hire

were do you DL all this stuff from?

Originally posted by JasonK4
I have the Immortal 1-7 and buying 8 on Monday.
I have the Cross-over with wolverine and couple of the New-Avengers, although I think the only big fights they have had are with the ninja's.

These are the one's I'm currently downloading

Marvel Team-up
Marvel 2-in-1
Deadly Hands of Kung Fu
New Warriors
Namor the Sub-Mariner
Marvel Comics Presents
Black Panther
Power Man and Iron Fist
Heroes for Hire

Jesus.

.

Do you know where I could find a list of Iron Fist's appearances? Just so I don't miss anything, .

Originally posted by Battlehammer
were do you DL all this stuff from?

Oh, I also have the Iron Fist/Wolverine cross over, but if I recall correctly, he didn't do too much in that one.

Originally posted by Soljer
Oh, I also have the Iron Fist/Wolverine cross over, but if I recall correctly, he didn't do too much in that one.
They worked well taking out Hydra...

Jesus Christ!

Power Man/Iron Fist was seventy five issues.

....

Originally posted by JasonK4
They worked well taking out Hydra...

Fool, _I_ could do well taking out Hydra.

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Originally posted by Soljer
Jesus Christ!

Power Man/Iron Fist was seventy five issues.

....

no wonder it say's here "6 days" for downloads

Originally posted by Soljer
Fool, _I_ could do well taking out Hydra.

.

Normally I'd give Wolverine 7/10 but now with Logan's upgraded healing 8/10.


But now that Danny got upgrade as well I'm not sure. Hopefully will get to see Danny's powers play out better. So it could definitly change for me.

Anyways, I got the entire new avengers run from 21-current, so that should be covered. I'm looking into the correct issues of Deadly Hand of Kung Fu (I know he didn't appear in all of them, only a select few). I'm going to try to get volume one of heroes for hire. I've got the black panther comic he appeared in.

I'm so dreading having to go through all of Power Man/Iron Fist. .

Damn, I guess it wasn't 18 in T'Challa's run.

Where the hell was it, then?

Originally posted by Soljer
Damn, I guess it wasn't 18 in T'Challa's run.

Where the hell was it, then?


What are you looking for?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
What are you looking for? The Ironfist appearances. srug

Originally posted by Apolloknight
What are you looking for?

Danny's appearances in the Black Panther run.

For some reason, I thought it was 18, but that just had Storm and T'Challa's marriage.

Hmm. Any help?

Originally posted by Soljer
Danny's appearances in the Black Panther run.

For some reason, I thought it was 18, but that just had Storm and T'Challa's marriage.

Hmm. Any help?


Vol.3 Issue 38-41

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Vol.3 Issue 38-41

He hasn't appeared in Vol 4?

Damn, I feel retarded now.

Gracias.

Originally posted by Soljer
He hasn't appeared in Vol 4?

Damn, I feel retarded now.

Gracias. Not reading through the thread, do you have the Daredevil appearances?

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Not reading through the thread, do you have the Daredevil appearances?

Ironfist posing as daredevil, you mean? I'm not sure - where all did he appear, posing as Daredevil?

Originally posted by Soljer
He hasn't appeared in Vol 4?

Damn, I feel retarded now.

Gracias.

Naw, shang chi has, and they mentioned Iron fist, but that was all.

Also, Vol.3 Issue 17 was another IF appearance.

Originally posted by Soljer
Ironfist posing as daredevil, you mean? I'm not sure - where all did he appear, posing as Daredevil? At least these issues.

http://www.comicvine.com/comic/daredevil-vol-ii/6209/&i=1492&f=y

Quite possibly more.

Cool cool.

Dunno how the Wolverine vs. Iron Fist thread became the discussion thread for the Iron Fist respect thread, but I appreciate the help.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
At least these issues.

http://www.comicvine.com/comic/daredevil-vol-ii/6209/&i=1492&f=y

Quite possibly more.

Damnit. More to find. .

Well, this helps:

http://comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=1642

This should help. Same website that Smurph gave, but a different part of it (all of Iron Fists issues)....though the site you have seems better organized (yes, thank you Soljer I can use this for the two characters I really want to do respect threads for )

http://www.comicvine.com/iron-fist/1492/list/

Originally posted by Blair Wind
This should help. Same website that Smurph gave, but a different part of it (all of Iron Fists issues)....though the site you have seems better organized (yes, thank you Soljer I can use this for the two characters I really want to do respect threads for )

http://www.comicvine.com/iron-fist/1492/list/

I could be mistaken, but I think the ComicDB IS better organized, and at least equally complete.

So many appearances >_<.

So many of them worthless as far as 'feats' go.

Originally posted by Soljer
I could be mistaken, but I think the ComicDB IS better organized, and at least equally complete.

So many appearances >_<.

So many of them worthless as far as 'feats' go.

Well, Comic vine helps in bulk (if you want to know what isssues a person did in a certain comic, or arc)

But ComicDB does both bulk AND chronology. Damn...I love you soljer

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Well, Comic vine helps in bulk (if you want to know what isssues a person did in a certain comic, or arc)

But ComicDB does both bulk AND chronology. Damn...I love you soljer

What can I say?

Now, if only I had a rapidshare premium account...

.

Originally posted by Soljer
What can I say?

Now, if only I had a rapidshare premium account...

.

No man you have no idea how long I have been looking for a comprehensive AND organized list of character appearances for these people. Comic vine was the best one I had found so far, but this site kicks ass.

hmm cant help you there. But I think its time I finally time for me to buckle down and do these two "projects" of mine...yea....maybe when I have free time

Bump.

I'm done arguing it, just want to get some more opinions.

hmmm

what's the diff between this matchup and the Logan vs Iron Fist matchup on the same page?

Originally posted by PRAYERRUN
what's the diff between this matchup and the Logan vs Iron Fist matchup on the same page?

This was created first and has more Soljer in it. Though the other one had more soljers in it.

ohhhhhh ok.