Ultra-Man vs. Black Adam

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B dot Rob
Yeah evil Superman vs. Bad Ass Captain Marvel. Who wins this fight?

Fanboy
This could go both way seeing they are both vicious like a mother ****er but I don't like choosing sides alot.

B dot Rob
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leonidas
hmm, thanks to celey for the idea. thumb up

pre-nu versions. have at it. big grin

Galan007
BA.

abhilegend
Ultraman. He has actually beaten Superman in a fight.

uhuh

Badabing
BA literally tears his face off ftw.

abhilegend
Or gets his face crushed.

quanchi112
Black Adam wins.

panthergod
Originally posted by quanchi112
Black Adam wins.
... a Shattered jaw by Utraman squeezing his face.

Scoobless
Ultraman, fer shoore.

Bentley
Ultra-Man.

By definition a second rate Superman > Black Adam.

abhilegend
Heh, Bran would like that comparison.

relentless1
Ultraman kills Adam

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ultraman. He has actually beaten Superman in a fight.

uhuh Superman has also beaten him in fights. The same cannot be said about BA. smile

abhilegend
Superman beat him by his skill. Which Adam doesn't has. If you want to go superman hasn't beaten Adam, the best he can do here is stalemate Ultraman.

carver9
Originally posted by quanchi112
Black Adam wins.

Stoic
Ultranman would grab Adam by the head, look deeply into his eyes and hit him with a concentrated HV blast. He would then commence to beating the life out of him.

leonidas
i'm not so sure i'd go THAT far, but i think i'd take ultraman too, for a small majority. stronger and faster imo. out of curiosity--has UM demonstrated any weakness to magic?

DarkSaint85
Nah. IF Mazahs is anything to go by, UM was stronger:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/132810/3836792-2014-05-21+07-33-41+-+forever+evil+%282013-%29+007-010.jpg

zopzop
Originally posted by Stoic
Ultranman would grab Adam by the head, look deeply into his eyes and hit him with a concentrated HV blast. He would then commence to beating the life out of him.
I don't see how BA survives, much less wins, a fight vs a serious UM.

Stoic
Originally posted by zopzop
I don't see how BA survives, much less wins, a fight vs a serious UM.

Neither do I.

leonidas
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah. IF Mazahs is anything to go by, UM was stronger:

that's what i said--i just didn't have the pretty pic to show. page ruiner. stick out tongue

Galan007
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah. IF Mazahs is anything to go by, UM was stronger: The thread was created in 2006. This is pre-Flashpoint BA/UM.

Originally posted by zopzop
I don't see how BA survives, much less wins, a fight vs a serious UM. Superman has a long history of overcoming Ultraman, dating all the way back to the Silver Age. Hell, J'onn has tooled Ultraman as well.

Given his history, to say that BA couldn't even survive a fight against Ultraman demonstrates a pretty gross ignorance of their respective feats.

leonidas
fights would clearly be close. i think UM is as powerful as billy but is vicious in a way billy isn't. he'd fight to kill which is different from almost everyone adam goes against in his own weight class.

Galan007
True. That's why I think this would be closer to a stalemate then anything.

Near-identical stats. Same vicious mentality.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
The thread was created in 2006. This is pre-Flashpoint BA/UM.

Superman has a long history of overcoming Ultraman, dating all the way back to the Silver Age. Hell, J'onn has tooled Ultraman as well.

Given his history, to say that BA couldn't even survive a fight against Ultraman demonstrates a pretty gross ignorance of their respective feats.
Uh, no. The only two times Superman has beaten Ultraman clean pre crisis or post crisis are All star squadron 15 and in Trinity.
Ultraman was weakened when J'onn beat him and a universal law made it sure that CSA will lose on main earth no matter what.

Superman actually broke a knuckle punching Ultraman in AOS 6039

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, no. The only two times Superman has beaten Ultraman clean pre crisis or post crisis are All star squadron 15 and in Trinity. Supes was also swatting Ultraman all over the place in AoS #604-605. He was clearly superior.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman actually broke a knuckle punching Ultraman in AOS 6039 *604

Stoic
Originally posted by Galan007
True. That's why I think this would be closer to a stalemate then anything.

Near-identical stats. Same vicious mentality.

On the other hand, it never has to be close, and this is one of those times that PIS could work in favor of one character, while working against the other. If we follow the character's personalities, UM could HV his eyes shut, or possibly blind him (he's a vicious version of Superman). This would allow him to pick his shots, and make each one count. With guys of this caliber, it wouldn't take long at all for what I said could happen, to happen. Think of how functional both would be in a real time setting.

However, if Adam can outfight him he should win. I can't seem to give him the odds of taking Ultraman though. It would be so easy for UM to dominate this from the very start.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
Supes was also swatting Ultraman all over the place in AoS #604-605. He was clearly superior.

*604
Eh, he looked superior. But he has looked superior to pretty much everyone at one point or another.

Bottom line is Ultraman can actually beat Superman. Neither Cap nor Adam have done that, despite their magical advantages.

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
Bottom line is Ultraman can actually beat Superman. Neither Cap nor Adam have done that, despite their magical advantages. So despite the fact that Superman has looked demonstrably superior to Ultraman in almost all of their encounters over the years(aside from one), yet has never managed more than a stalemate against BA, you think Ultraman wins?

Sorry, but I just can't get behind that logic. By all rights, this should be a stalemate.

leonidas
attrition will win out in the end for one or the other though, no? not sure who would have the better damage soak if it came to an battle of attrition, but, assuming UM IS an equal to kal, i'd give it ultimately to him more often than not. especially with the added advantage of the vision powers.

and no one ever answered my question with regards to magic vs UM. no evidence either way i assume...?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
So despite the fact that Superman has looked demonstrably superior to Ultraman in almost all of their encounters over the years(aside from one), yet has never managed more than a stalemate against BA, you think Ultraman wins?

Sorry, but I just can't get behind that logic. By all rights, this should be a stalemate.
What encounters you have in mind where Superman decidedly looked Superior than him? Because he sure didn't look better than him in Final Crisis or Brave and Bold.

Heck, he looked absolutely equal to Superman in Final Crisis.

What fights we have left where Superman looked superior though?

And Superman and Adam have fought two times post crisis. Not enough to gauge his level to Superman's since Superman was actively holding back.

Put it this way, the biggest Black Adam fanboy ever Geoff Johns had Ultraman crush Adam like he was a baby

Galan007
Originally posted by leonidas
and no one ever answered my question with regards to magic vs UM. no evidence either way i assume...? The only instance I recall of post-Crisis Ultraman facing magic was during his scuffle with Morgaine:
http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171959_Trinity044003-004.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171960_Trinity044005.jpg

Her touch definitely hurt him.

abhilegend
Originally posted by leonidas
attrition will win out in the end for one or the other though, no? not sure who would have the better damage soak if it came to an battle of attrition, but, assuming UM IS an equal to kal, i'd give it ultimately to him more often than not. especially with the added advantage of the vision powers.

and no one ever answered my question with regards to magic vs UM. no evidence either way i assume...?
He has never been weak to magic. Actually no sold silver age Dr. Fate and oneshotted him.

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
What fights we have left where Superman looked superior though? This?:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171978_Trinity13p04.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171979_Trinity13p05.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171980_Trinity13p06.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171982_Trinity13p07.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171985_Trinity13p08.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171987_Trinity13p10.jpg

Along with AoS #604-605, like I mentioned earlier.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Put it this way, the biggest Black Adam fanboy ever Geoff Johns had Ultraman crush Adam like he was a baby Don't care what happened post-Flashpoint. That isn't what is being debated.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He has never been weak to magic. Actually no sold silver age Dr. Fate and oneshotted him. Silver Age showings are equally as irrelevant.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
This?:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171978_Trinity13p04.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171979_Trinity13p05.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171980_Trinity13p06.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171982_Trinity13p07.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171985_Trinity13p08.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23171987_Trinity13p10.jpg

Along with AoS #604-605, like I mentioned earlier.

Don't care what happened post-Flashpoint. That isn't what is being debated.

Silver Age showings are equally as irrelevant.
That's superman beating him with his skills as he explicitly States. Under the same writer Ultraman beat him cleanly.

Can you post their fight in Brave and the bold 11? That's a personal favorite and I think most people haven't seen that fight.

So it's 1 win, 1 loss and a bunch of draws between Superman and Ultraman. Looks better than Cap and Adam' records combined against Superman

leonidas
my issue with using superman for adam is that they've never REALLY settled things between them. that's my ONLY issue with adam in general. how many clean wins does he have vs billy, and how many times has billy beaten him? adam rarely seems to have good, 1 on 1 match ups where both he and his opponent are both going all out to full capacity--it's what i was getting at in the wonder woman thread. who are his great 1 on 1 battles against.....? i remember some good ones vs billy, but i can't recall too many others that he's had...

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's superman beating him with his skills as he explicitly States. Under the same writer Ultraman beat him cleanly. He still beat the tar out of Ultraman+the Crime Syndicate rather easily. That is ridiculously impressive.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Can you post their fight in Brave and the bold 11? That's a personal favorite and I think most people haven't seen that fight. Here's that:
http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23172503_BatB11p10.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23172507_BatB11p11.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23172509_BatB11p12.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23172510_BatB11p13.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23172511_BatB11p14.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23172512_BatB11p15.jpg

...Though I don't really know if I'd call that a fight in the typical sense, given that, eh, no punches were thrown. Though Mix did have to tell Superman to let Ultraman up at the end(implying that Ulty was being overpowered)... shifty

Originally posted by abhilegend
So it's 1 win, 1 loss and a bunch of draws between Superman and Ultraman. Well, you also agreed that Superman came out of AoS clearly looking better than Ultraman.


Look, I'm not saying that Superman is more powerful than Ultraman--they're obviously peers. I'm just saying that Superman almost always comes out looking better one way or another. While their encounters might be more limited, Superman has still never managed more than a stalemate against BA.

So tack the fact that BA and Supes are peers, onto the fact that magic seems to have a negative effect on Ulty, and I certainly think BA can at least manage a stalemate. /shrug

Stoic
Originally posted by Galan007
He still beat the tar out of Ultraman+the Crime Syndicate rather easily. That is ridiculously impressive.

Here's that:
http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23172503_BatB11p10.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23172507_BatB11p11.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23172509_BatB11p12.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23172510_BatB11p13.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23172511_BatB11p14.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23172512_BatB11p15.jpg

...Though I don't really know if I'd call that a fight in the typical sense, given that, eh, no punches were thrown. Though Mix did have to tell Superman to let Ultraman up at the end(implying that Ulty was being overpowered)... shifty

Well, you also agreed that Superman came out of AoS clearly looking better than Ultraman.


Look, I'm not saying that Superman is more powerful than Ultraman--they're obviously peers. I'm just saying that Superman almost always comes out looking better one way or another. While their encounters might be more limited, Superman has still never managed more than a stalemate against BA.

So tack the fact that BA and Supes are peers, onto the fact that magic seems to have a negative effect on Ulty, and I certainly think BA can at least manage a stalemate. /shrug

Superman simply knows how to fight better. He also knows exactly how much he can take; so there is a large chance that he would pull his punches against Adam, opposed to a mirror image of himself
that lacks his superior combat expertise. If Adam lays into him; and has the ability to dictate the fight by never taking hard clean hits, while laying down his own, he'd punch his lights out. The strength disparity between the two, isn't so great that UM wouldn't feel Adam's punches. However, is there any hard proof that Adam is a better fighter than UM? The answer to that question, would make a world of difference.

zom1967
I thought it was the ultraman from the show that I watched in the early 70`s,clearly thats not the case.How did D.C get the wrights to use ultraman`s name!

DarkSaint85
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/ultra/images/e/eb/Ultraman_Gia.JPG
thumb up

Galan007
Originally posted by zom1967
I thought it was the ultraman from the show that I watched in the early 70`s,clearly thats not the case.How did D.C get the wrights to use ultraman`s name! thumb up!

leonidas
laughing out loud

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