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I'm new here...but lets see how this goes (i know its kind of a vague q, but have fun with it):

If you had to pick any one being/entity/cosmic/etc. from either the marvel or d.c. universe as the most "powerful" (whatever that means to you), who would it be and why? sorry if this has been done before...

namor and aquaman no thats a joke so u can laugh now (i do like though)


not sure

id pick thanos with the hotu.

Well from Marvel will be of course magneto, for DC superman And for movies Dark Vader, because from what I know he is the only been feared in more that one planet

Wolverine w/Cosmic Cube, Waters of Life, Gem of Cytorrak, Mind Gem, and Space Gem is.

thanos with the hotu defeated living tribunal, the person everyone says is on specter level and he was basically omioptent, he destroyed everything except adam warlock who was in a differrent realm,and adam convinced him to give up his powers. if thats not power i dont know what is. he wasnt even shown to have a challenge.

God

hmm..ok, what about without anythign like the IG, Cube, etc...just the actual character?

The Phoenix Force is at or near the top in Marvel.

mmm.................................................






toaa

I've never actually seen TOAA in a storyline. Is he in the HOTU saga?

If TOAA is at the top, I'm pretty sure Phoenix is no lower than second.

Robin..

i say god dont he exist in both??

Pre-retcon beyonder. The guy owned the multiverse with ease.

darth vader

this might sound like a n00b q but...the pressence and TOAA are the "gods" of marvel and dc correct? have either of the two shown any feats that would make one superior to the other?

The Beyonder, kids!

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Pre-retcon beyonder. The guy owned the multiverse with ease.
Good point.

there are alot of multiverses though we'd have to take into account, DC, MU, even crossgen says they have there own multiverse, and other multiverses from other universes, i could argue that spawns supreme being is probably stronger then the MU cause spawn wasnt even close to him yet was uber powerful probably up there with the uber beings in the DCU if he ever went to the DCU.

World's Funnest Mxy & Bat-mite

Originally posted by Mider
there are alot of multiverses though we'd have to take into account, DC, MU, even crossgen says they have there own multiverse, and other multiverses from other universes, i could argue that spawns supreme being is probably stronger then the MU cause spawn wasnt even close to him yet was uber powerful probably up there with the uber beings in the DCU if he ever went to the DCU.

Does DC really have a multiverse? I never heard them refer to anything larger than a universe.

I always thought it was Marvel Universe and DC Universe in the same multiverse.

Uber-comic-book-quasi-psuedo-physics is confusing.

The Presence

In the Lucifer comics, the Presence says he Micheal and Lucifer created the universe. He didn't say anything about a multiverse.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Does DC really have a multiverse? I never heard them refer to anything larger than a universe.

I always thought it was Marvel Universe and DC Universe in the same multiverse.

Uber-comic-book-quasi-psuedo-physics is confusing.
DC had hypertime which is for all intents and purposes the same thing. I think Wildstorm is viewed as another universe since the whole deal with Majestic and Superman and now Captain Atom.

captain J hook

magneto or graviton.

Originally posted by Validus
DC had hypertime which is for all intents and purposes the same thing. I think Wildstorm is viewed as another universe since the whole deal with Majestic and Superman and now Captain Atom.

So, is the Presence God of the DCU or the Wildstorm U? Or both?

My vote.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
So, is the Presence God of the DCU or the Wildstorm U? Or both?
Well I can't say for sure about Wildstorm since the specifics are iffy but The Presence has been acknowledged in the DCU.

Tell me that isn't Jesus?

Originally posted by bherrle
Tell me that isn't Jesus?
Yes it is. He's beating the Olympus gods.

Originally posted by badabing
My vote. Dude what comic is that.

Originally posted by badabing
Yes it is. He's beating the Olympus gods. What comic is that Bro

"Yes it is. He's beating the Olympus gods.".

Wow... that's... kind of offensive to me, since I am Catholic. BUT, I suppose it would be unfair of me to insist that comic writers leave Christ alone, wouldn't it?

Sentry (green lantern)

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Good point.

Should we include god?

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6945/66mv.th.jpg


http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1455/78ei.th.jpg

^^^ now THAT'S offensive^^^

wasnt the beyonder his own dimension at one point?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Should we include god?

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6945/66mv.th.jpg


http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1455/78ei.th.jpg
Ah yes, thats the same comic where the Devil kicked God in the balls.

Originally posted by badabing
My vote.

what comic is that. is that marvel or what is it.

Originally posted by badabing
My vote.

is that in dc.

SOCK (saint of crazy killers)

Originally posted by branhole
is that in dc.
No, thats Image. Home of lame comics.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
What comic is that Bro
This is the only link with a brief description and pics.
http://www.stjeromeslibrary.com/library/?p=499

Originally posted by Validus
No, thats Image. Home of lame comics. Amen to that.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Amen to that.

Agreed. I guess God did get the last laugh on them.

what thing was jesus in.

hmm..what about royal joker? not compared to the likes of TOAA or the pressence..but still...

joker shouldnt get that much of a powerup, but thats dc for ya.

In Marvel, Items that turn you into God Jr. are laying around all over the place.

Want to take over the universe? Simply go to your nearest KFC, It's in the 11 secret herbs and spices. Assemble them and you too can beat the Living Tribunal.

ya but joker.

strongest guy ive ever seen in comics is probably the classic beyonder

Phoenix and Thanos with Heart hof the Universe.

Static Shock

jplatinum

WHO

Originally posted by thisredbox
I'm new here...but lets see how this goes (i know its kind of a vague q, but have fun with it):

If you had to pick any one being/entity/cosmic/etc. from either the marvel or d.c. universe as the most "powerful" (whatever that means to you), who would it be and why? sorry if this has been done before...

TOAA/Presence
Pre-Recton Beyonder
LT
Great Evil Beast

Not in order though..

Kirbilacticus

Dumb thread.

hay god at home in comics isnt he, they are all fictional characters anyway, god is as ficional as superman, iconic and revered but not real... like someone said aint the world f*cked up!

whatever you say Matt...

Most powerful being ever is between:

Classic Beyonder - Could have erased the Multiverse anytime he wished, the hierarchy of Marvel didn't even bother attempting to stop him.

I would put Phoenix Force on par with him, but he was obviously more powerful than it, since it did exist in Beyonder's prime, and at that time Beyonder was the most powerful being in all existence.(Marvel)Molecule Man was the second, so he also was more powerful than the Phoenix Force. This status lasted from 1984 - to late 86', when he and Molecule Man were finally retconned.

Thanos with the Heart of the Infinite

He absorbed all the abstracts, including Living Tribunal and anyone else that challenged him, besides erasing nearly all existence. It also seems that the HOTU was trully the ultimate power achievable in Marvel. I'll repeat, SEEMED!

Now perhaps Phoenix was upgraded, cause in the latter years of Marvel, they made her restructure the 616 universe in her hands atom by atom.(Very impressive)and she also contained the M'Kraan Crystal from from destroying all existence in Marvel, with the help of some X-Men, but she deserves the majority of the credit, still I wonder if that feat would have been possible without those X-Men.

DC/Vertigo

Everyone knows it's the supreme being

Elaine Belloc, Michael's sister

The Beyonder. That ends that discussion.

Originally posted by Wonder Man
The Beyonder. That ends that discussion.

Are you being funny or do you agree?

Action comics #1 Superman. He is the granddaddy of them all. Every comic owes their existence to him. He can threaten to kill himeself and wipe out everything.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Most powerful being ever is between:

Classic Beyonder - Could have erased the Multiverse anytime he wished, the hierarchy of Marvel didn't even bother attempting to stop him.

I would put Phoenix Force on par with him, but he was obviously more powerful than it, since it did exist in Beyonder's prime, and at that time Beyonder was the most powerful being in all existence.(Marvel)Molecule Man was the second, so he also was more powerful than the Phoenix Force. This status lasted from 1984 - to late 86', when he and Molecule Man were finally retconned.

Thanos with the Heart of the Infinite

He absorbed all the abstracts, including Living Tribunal and anyone else that challenged him, besides erasing nearly all existence. It also seems that the HOTU was trully the ultimate power achievable in Marvel. I'll repeat, SEEMED!

Now perhaps Phoenix was upgraded, cause in the latter years of Marvel, they made her restructure the 616 universe in her hands atom by atom.(Very impressive)and she also contained the M'Kraan Crystal from from destroying all existence in Marvel, with the help of some X-Men, but she deserves the majority of the credit, still I wonder if that feat would have been possible without those X-Men.

does this mean u r saying galactius would go down to Molecule Man?
i have stated that and was laughed out of the fourm

Originally posted by General Kon-El
Wolverine w/Cosmic Cube, Waters of Life, Gem of Cytorrak, Mind Gem, and Space Gem is.

Why Wolverine

Seriously give that crap to the Silver Surfer or Thanos.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Most powerful being ever is between:

Classic Beyonder - Could have erased the Multiverse anytime he wished, the hierarchy of Marvel didn't even bother attempting to stop him.

I would put Phoenix Force on par with him, but he was obviously more powerful than it, since it did exist in Beyonder's prime, and at that time Beyonder was the most powerful being in all existence.(Marvel)Molecule Man was the second, so he also was more powerful than the Phoenix Force. This status lasted from 1984 - to late 86', when he and Molecule Man were finally retconned.

Thanos with the Heart of the Infinite

He absorbed all the abstracts, including Living Tribunal and anyone else that challenged him, besides erasing nearly all existence. It also seems that the HOTU was trully the ultimate power achievable in Marvel. I'll repeat, SEEMED!

Now perhaps Phoenix was upgraded, cause in the latter years of Marvel, they made her restructure the 616 universe in her hands atom by atom.(Very impressive)and she also contained the M'Kraan Crystal from from destroying all existence in Marvel, with the help of some X-Men, but she deserves the majority of the credit, still I wonder if that feat would have been possible without those X-Men. The Beyonder was retconned, so I'm not sure she counts for much. I pretty much agree with you about Thanos with HOTU.

The Phoenix Force (not its Avatars) is in a balance of power between Eternity, Infinity, and Galactus. At full power, its hard to say which of these four are above the others. Living Tribunal, however, is clearly above them all.

TOAA and The Presence, who are both one and the same being.

ok how about captain underwear

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Should we include god?

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6945/66mv.th.jpg


http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1455/78ei.th.jpg i couldnt bring myself to read those cause it goes way to far disgust

captain uni hulk or captain uni gladiator hulk stronger but glads is faster but less durable an still has little self confidence at times

Originally posted by hulk=strength
captain uni hulk or captain uni gladiator hulk stronger but glads is faster but less durable an still has little self confidence at times u knew it was comin u should have prepared

what about apocalypse?

Originally posted by He-guy88
does this mean u r saying galactius would go down to Molecule Man?
i have stated that and was laughed out of the fourm

If pre-retcon Molecule Man wanted to not just put down but wipe out from existence Galactus, then he could have, I say that with confidence.

Galactus was an insect to pre-retcon Molecule Man, just like he was LESS than an insect to pre-retcon Beyonder.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
The Beyonder was retconned, so I'm not sure she counts for much. I pretty much agree with you about Thanos with HOTU.

The Phoenix Force (not its Avatars) is in a balance of power between Eternity, Infinity, and Galactus. At full power, its hard to say which of these four are above the others. Living Tribunal, however, is clearly above them all.

Which is exactly why I specified Pre-Retconned Beyonder or Classic Beyonder, which ever you prefer.

In any case imho, Classic Beyonder was trully the most powerful there has ever been in comics, for so many reasons.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
The Phoenix Force (not its Avatars) is in a balance of power between Eternity, Infinity, and Galactus. At full power, its hard to say which of these four are above the others. Living Tribunal, however, is clearly above them all.

I believe the Phoenix Force is above Living Tribunal, though I won't classify that as a fact. This opinion is based on feats.

Just think the Phoenix Force is the nexus of all psionic energy which does, has, and ever will, exist in all realities of the marvel multiverse.

Originally posted by MattDay
hay god at home in comics isnt he, they are all fictional characters anyway, god is as ficional as superman, iconic and revered but not real... like someone said aint the world f*cked up!


Must resist............ urge to............. spark off religious debate..........



IMO most powerful cosmic being? TOAA

Originally posted by MattDay
hay god at home in comics isnt he, they are all fictional characters anyway, god is as ficional as superman, iconic and revered but not real... like someone said aint the world f*cked up!

Explain to me though, how does anything exist?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Explain to me though, how does anything exist?




Y'know its a shame this guy doesn't believe in God, cos I believe this guy exists, and funny enough, God also believes this guy exists

Originally posted by willRules


Y'know its a shame this guy doesn't believe in God, cos I believe this guy exists, and funny enough, God also believes this guy exists

Yep, now back to the topic.

Im going to go out on a loop here and say....

A being composed of the combined powers of Batman, Wolverine, Hulk, Captain America, and Gladiator.

With their jobber auro combined, they make captain planet

Originally posted by Grimm22
Yep, now back to the topic.

Im going to go out on a loop here and say....

A being composed of the combined powers of Batman, Wolverine, Hulk, Captain America, and Gladiator.

With their jobber auro combined, they make captain planet


I remember reading comics from back in the good old fashioned days when the most powerful beings were people like Silver Surfer or Xavier...........I miss that............