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ok can the originals beat the subs

FF

Vs

wolverine
hulk
ghost rider
spiderman

no prep battle in central park

This has been done before. Original ff4 takes this.

Pretty much

The only real obsticale is Ghost Rider

i think the substitute would win by far.

??? Huh? Invisible woman alone could probably decimate the new F4. Not to mention the new F4 have no real leader or big brain....thats how they were so easily conned into being the new F4 to begin with. They werent so much a great or balanced team like the real F4 they were just really cool...realistically no match tho.

Can you imagine if Wolverine could cut through Reed. What the hell would happen.

Err....too bad he cant. Wolverine uses his most deadly attacks on a regular basis which is cutting people. Imagine if Reed did the same thing, just like the Super Skrull, going around cutting an entire group of enemies like superhuman piano wire. Or how about Reed using his powers to entire Wolverines eyes, nose, and ears, scrambling his brains. Even if Wolvie can heal from it he'd still be out of commision for a good while.

Ghost Rider would be the only real threat...and even then he's not much of a threat, just really tough to "kill".

Secret Defenders or New FF are basicly the ultimate copout from marvel where they planned to kill off the original FF and replace them with the most popular characters but it was scrapped at the last minute and the original FF were spared

Its sad

that substitute FF doesn't seem so fantastic. They are all like street level except for hulk.

Originally posted by outarddwarf
that substitute FF doesn't seem so fantastic. They are all like street level except for hulk.

It was prof. Hulk so yeah.........