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Phoenix is vastly powerful but how does she do vs Mistress Death,Walker A Death God Hela a Death God Hyperstorm,Surtur,Omega who was rumored to be twice the power of Galactus Rot son of Death & Thanos. and with 10 days of prep The Infinity Watch Adam Warlock,Gamora,Moondragon,Drax the Destroyer & Pip and Thanos

The Phoenix Force is more powerful than all of those guys.

Phoenix is undefeatable.

ok two words to beat her: The Mask

two words Death abstract being Thanos with prep and the majority of the Infinity gauntlet and Omega combined with 10 days of prep.

Still waiting for Uncanny X-Men #474 to be released. The First Fallen is already her polar opposite, all that's needed now is a feat worthy of her power.

So you mean they need someone as much as powerful as averege Jean grey to beat her with that new sorf of Phoenix....... what about Magneto or Doom

Originally posted by golem370
two words Death abstract being Thanos with prep and the majority of the Infinity gauntlet and Omega combined with 10 days of prep.

Phoenix is above Death and The Mask

Originally posted by magneto1992
So you mean they need someone as much as powerful as averege Jean grey to beat her with that new sorf of Phoenix....... what about Magneto or Doom

We're talking about Phoenix of the White Crown. She holds universes in the palm of her hand. Above the IG. The Life Force of all universes.

Magneto? Doom?

That's like J.J.J. vs Galactus

If this is white crown phoenix, the one holding the 616 universe in her hand, these guya are fuk#d.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
We're talking about Phoenix of the White Crown. She holds universes in the palm of her hand. Above the IG. The Life Force of all universes.

Magneto? Doom?

That's like J.J.J. vs Galactus You dint saay nothing about the white crown, yep she is unstopteable

No more Pheonix threads.Her power is more up to interpratation than almost anyone else's.

Ridiculously overpowered.

Who can beat Phoniex?

Thanos with Infinite Gauntlet

Darkside with Anti-Life Equation

Doom with a month of prep

Originally posted by Grimm22
Who can beat Phoniex?

Thanos with Infinite Gauntlet

Darkside with Anti-Life Equation

Doom with a month of prep

Pfff If cyclops was an Omega level mutant he can take her no problem but as he stands now he might struggle.

Originally posted by Mordum
Pfff If cyclops was an Omega level mutant he can take her no problem but as he stands now he might struggle.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666


What

Thanos with Infinite Gauntlet

Darkside with Anti-Life Equation

Doom with a month of prep

These can't beat White crown Phoenix

Pheonix vs. Sentry?

Originally posted by Mordum
Pfff If cyclops was an Omega level mutant he can take her no problem but as he stands now he might struggle.

omega doesn't mean power. look that one kid with healing powers.

What if the void and rot had a baby named.....oh i dont know "evil guy" then would he win against phoenix?

Lobo and Pitt would kill her

when?

Nobody, Phoenix doesn't die unless she wants to (suicide) or has to (to incubate in the white hot room) and even then she'll be back.

Originally posted by UltimateStryfe
omega doesn't mean power. look that one kid with healing powers.

True. Its all about potential and the nature of a mutants power.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Who can beat Phoniex?

Thanos with Infinite Gauntlet

Darkside with Anti-Life Equation

Doom with a month of prep

According to the handbooks the IG is powered by the Big Bang and therefore Phoenix.

The Anti Life Equation is unproven so as it stands. NOPE.

Doom would die horribly.

thanos geos and gets the and destroys pheonix.

i mant the hotu.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Who can beat Phoniex?

Thanos with Infinite Gauntlet

Darkside with Anti-Life Equation

Doom with a month of prep

Nope.
Phoenix is the most powerful, ultimate power.

thanos with hotu.

If the "heart of the universe" is really the heart of the universe than it is a facet of the Phoenix power, as the white hot room is the heart of phoenix which is the main access point for the muliverse.

hotu is above.

Above what? By it's very name it is limited compared to Phoenix, it is the "Heart of the Universe" emphasis on universe, Phoenix is multiversal, at best.

yes destroying everything in the universe is weak, and you get bored so you rebuild it. where was phoenix?

Chilling in the White Hot Room, LT is designated to deal with power imbalances, the Phoenix gets rid of things that don't work or become obsolete.

yeah and thanos beat lt.

Beat what? Destroying a single universe kills an Eternity, not Phoenix, whose consciousness resonates throughout the multiverse.

beat living tribunal. and i knew you were going to say that.

Anything involving the HOTU and it's effects on the multiverse are alleged and apparent only to the beings involved.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
According to the handbooks the IG is powered by the Big Bang and therefore Phoenix.

The Anti Life Equation is unproven so as it stands. NOPE.

Doom would die horribly.
Phoenix didn't cause the big bang Reed and the cosmic bunny did.

and if it could destroy the multiverse, the power of Phoenix ensures the rebirth of the multiverse, she could also just as easily go to the white hot room and remove the HOTU as a tap-able source.

Reed and the cosmic bunny thing is so debatable that is is laughable, the Phoenix being a formless mutable force and all, suggests that the bunny was nothing more than how Reed perceived the Phoenix.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Reed and the cosmic bunny thing is so debatable that is is laughable, the Phoenix being a formless mutable force and all, suggests that the bunny was nothing more than how Reed perceived the Phoenix. So is the pheonixs power.Half the stuff people bring up is conjecture and their interpritations of what was said.

Since the Bunny was brought up I find it strange that people will say Reed created the universe before he was born, but that Jean could not have given the Phoenix it's shape before she was born. Jean is an omega level mutant who is connected to a force that exists simultaneously throughout all space and time, and Reed is some guy who got radiated by a cosmic storm, yet people believe he can create a paradox, but Jean can't.

There is nothing debatable about the power of the Phoenix, we have seen the Phoenix "heal wounded universes" we have seen the Phoenix operate from the center of creation, we have seen the Phoenix protect all creation by fixing M'Kraan, we have seen the Phoenix take a nexus point and project it throughout the multiverse to form a focal point from which Roma and the Cap. Britain corps operate. A mysterious supreme force compelled Thanos to use the HOTU to repair the universe, that is even reminiscent of the Phoenix.

Originally posted by LordKaos
There is nothing debatable about the power of the Phoenix, we have seen the Phoenix "heal wounded universes" we have seen the Phoenix operate from the center of creation, we have seen the Phoenix protect all creation by fixing M'Kraan, we have seen the Phoenix take a nexus point and project it throughout the multiverse to form a focal point from which Roma and the Cap. Britain corps operate. A mysterious supreme force compelled Thanos to use the HOTU to repair the universe, that is even reminiscent of the Phoenix. Here's my problem with the Phoenix: If it's so powerful, then how can a simple Shi'ar weapon hurt it to the point where it needs a host to survive? It was barely kept alive when it took over the body of a firefly in 'Endsong'.

BTW, as cool as the HOTU was, it's not relevant to 616. Marvel editor Andy Schmidt verified that 'The End' was NOT canon. So it really shouldn't even be brought up in discussions.

The Shi'ar presence in Endsong was silly to me anyway, they needed something to bring the Phoenix back, so they used the race of aliens who have had the most interaction with it. Marvel has stated that the more advanced alien races have access to technology that can tap and utilize comic energy. What I don't get is, if the Phoenix was in the White hot room, what did they fire the weapon at anyway. This isn't the first time mortals have caused the Phoenix pain and anguish, Necrom did when he stole a piece of her from Feron in the Phoenix flashback. The part of Phoenix that needed to survive and get a host was a remnant of Jean, and from her/it's actions it was the part of Jean that became Dark Phoenix, the insane highly emotional part that craved the sensations it got from being in the physical world.