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Who wins my bet is on Puck. What do you think ?

Puck....

Can Puck's body be invaded?

i feel sorry for puck wen venom catches him

goes down like dis puck is jumpin like a ****
venom blends in wid shapeshiftin to the wall in shadowz

puk hopz down to wards wer he sor him last

venom hops out and snaps pucks nek

venom eats his brains

Originally posted by lilnutta12
i feel sorry for puck wen venom catches him

goes down like dis puck is jumpin like a ****
venom blends in wid shapeshiftin to the wall in shadowz

puk hopz down to wards wer he sor him last

venom hops out and snaps pucks nek

I REALLY doubt that Puck's neck can be snapped....

From what I know of Puck he would get eaten. canadian = "BURP"

Venom's only chance is suffocation, but that would be very diffcult:
1. http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Puck_I

What could puck do too Venom.

I know Puck is underrated, and I know he won't make it easy for Venom, but after a cool fight, Venom kills him. Venom is too versatile for Puck to handle.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Venom's only chance is suffocation, but that would be very diffcult:
1. http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Puck_I

Puck = Badass Mother F***er

You dont mess with Puck

Originally posted by juggernaut66666


What? as the earlier person said I doubt Venom would be able to snap his neck.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Puck = Badass Mother F***er

You dont mess with Puck I doubt there would be any fight. Venom who fought Carnage,Juggernaut,Hulk would be too scared to fight with a guy like Puck....Grimm you know what I'm talking about....Puck is invincible....What do you think Juggy?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
What? as the earlier person said I doubt Venom would be able to snap his neck.
let me tell you about Alpha Flight in the last few days i have seen about 30 alpha flight appereance comics in 1 guardian gets owned by wolverine if not then colossus beats up half of the team once guardian got owned by a Nerd with laser gun another time he gets owned by northstar who is now x-men member the alpha flight team trains with wolverine robots which is pretty pathetic

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Venom's only chance is suffocation, but that would be very diffcult:
1. http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Puck_I

Not very...

Originally posted by Rewmac
I doubt there would be any fight. Venom who fought Carnage,Juggernaut,Hulk would be too scared to fight with a guy like Puck....Grimm you know what I'm talking about....Puck is invincible....What do you think Juggy?

Puck has fought the Hulk one on one as well. Puck is far from invincible.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
let me tell you about Alpha Flight in the last few days i have seen about 30 alpha flight appereance comics in 1 guardian gets owned by wolverine if not then colossus beats up half of the team once guardian got owned by a Nerd with laser gun another time he gets owned by northstar who is now x-men member the alpha flight team trains with wolverine robots which is pretty pathetic

Wolverine never owned Guardian, and Colossis never beat up half the team. Also did you read the story? it was the Zero Gun that can kill the Hulk with a blast and Guardian thought dr.Jiroult was a friend and that were going to test a new feature in the guardian suit. Northstar fight was heavy PIS. That was the vol.2 team and they didn't meet the requirements of Alpha Flight so they were demoted to Beta Flight. You should actually read more first.

Lets see if this works, this thread reminded me of this episode of the 90's x-men cartoon...and I wanted to show u guys Puck getting thrown around like a little ball.

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It didnt work so I'll just give u a link to the site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCBy1TZqzP8

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
It didnt work so I'll just give u a link to the site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCBy1TZqzP8

what does the old cartoon have to do with this fight?

and....? Puck's whole thing is bouncing off of things

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight113-06.jpg

It shows Pucks abilities on it, this thread just really reminded me of this episode

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
It shows Pucks abilities on it, this thread just really reminded me of this episode

That far from shows Puck's abilities, this is classic Puck before his upgrade

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Puck vs. The Incredible Hulk
Alpha Flight #29-This is classic Puck prior to his upgrade who was just a dwarf with peak human strength and body. He does really well against the brute. Anyways Alpha Flight did this experiment hoping to find a new body for Walter, but in the end they did but it was the Hulk. So instead of killing Bruce Banner, Walter sacrificed his life so Banner could life. However, Hulk was on a toe-line and Alpha Flight reeled him in thinking it was Walter. So when Hulk attacks an unsuspecting Box, the only one to act is Puck. The rest of the team is preoccuiped with their own things. Just to note, Box armor does not weigh multiple tons.

Feats shown:
-Puck's agility avoiding Hulk's attack
-Puck's intelligence figuring out which Hulk this is
-Puck's heart taking on a person who is bigger and stronger than he is
-Puck saves Shaman's life

1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight29-01.jpg
2. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight29-0203.jpg
3. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight29-04.jpg
4. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight29-05.jpg
5. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight29-06.jpg
6. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight29-07.jpg
7. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight29-08.jpg
8. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight29-09.jpg

upgrade?

This is pathetic venom wins with such ease that it is not even funny he punks carnage who is class 50 like a Child so he owns stupid LITTLE Puck

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
upgrade?

He became invulernable and nearly indestructable
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/scan_puck.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/avengers_v1_324_11_rougher.jpg
3. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/AlphaFlightv191-04.jpg
4. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/avengers_v1_322_13_rougher.jpg

If this was classic Puck he could always release Razar on Venom

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
This is pathetic venom wins with such ease that it is not even funny he punks carnage who is class 50 like a Child so he owns stupid LITTLE Puck

Little upset since every time you try to own me with your "facts" it bites you in the ass?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Little upset since every time you try to own me with your "facts" it bites you in the ass?
im not upset it is just pathetic that alphaflight always get owned by the x-men and guys like them and you can't admit it that is "What bites me in the ass "

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
im not upset it is just pathetic that alphaflight always get owned by the x-men and guys like them and you can't admit it that is "What bites me in the ass "

The only time they were "owned" by the X-Men and if you read the issue were taken out from behind or wern't even fighting. Look at their high end feats and then see the difference, which is what we are suppose to go by on this board, which people tend to forget.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Venom's only chance is suffocation, but that would be very diffcult:
1. http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Puck_I

why exactly would that be difficult?

Puck and whole Alpha Flight is piece of everyone knows what...Colossus handled Sasquatch and that was Class 70 Colossus, Wolverine can kick Guardian anytime, Colossus let Guardian fly and then Guardian's beam had no effect on him...It's lame...any team in Marvel can handle Alpha Flight....The thing is you always show when they win...But it seems like you ate the pages where they get owned...

that's probably why their dead now..

Originally posted by jinzin
why exactly would that be difficult?

Speed, agility, reflexes and experience, not saying he coudn't but it wouldn't be easy

Originally posted by Rewmac
Puck and whole Alpha Flight is piece of everyone knows what...Colossus handled Sasquatch and that was Class 70 Colossus, Wolverine can kick Guardian anytime, Colossus let Guardian fly and then Guardian's beam had no effect on him...It's lame...any team in Marvel can handle Alpha Flight....

haha no he didn't, Colossus best punch didn't even move Sasquatch. He was literally toying and treating Colossus like a child. Uh huh, comic state otherwise and Wolverine himself. It ritocheed off of Colossus, which wasn't even a high burst E-M blast. Your opinion.

Originally posted by jinzin
that's probably why their dead now..

Interviews by creators state they are not dead, and their getting their own series after Civil War. Plus there is still the Alpha Flight team in space, the real Alpha Flight team.

I dont know much about Puck but I know the x-men beat alpha flight

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
I dont know much about Puck but I know the x-men beat alpha flight

Once, as I mentioned when they wern't even looking for a fight and when most were taken out from behind. I suggest you look at the AF respect thread.

That wasn't Colossus's best punch...And still Sasquatch was down after the fight....And Colossus was young and class 70 Liking Alpha Flight is one thing...But Sasquatch getting owned by depowered juggernaut, Guardian by Wolverine, Sasquatch strugguling with Colossus, Guardian owned by nerd with a gun, Guardian owned by Northstar and Guardian owned again by Colossus....Alpha is getting own more that any of the X-Men

Here is how Guardian getting owned...

http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen109150xp.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen109166aq.jpg

Originally posted by Rewmac
That wasn't Colossus's best punch...And still Sasquatch was down after the fight....

Here is how Guardian getting owned...

http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen109150xp.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen109166aq.jpg

Yeah it was, even said it and from a judo toss? and?...another person performed a judo toss on Sasquatch later and you know what he said? "nice judo toss, but it's not like I can't get up from it"

that's owned? getting punched by a 70 class character and not really be phased from it? uh huh

Originally posted by Rewmac
But Sasquatch getting owned by depowered juggernaut, Guardian by Wolverine, Sasquatch strugguling with Colossus, Guardian owned by nerd with a gun, Guardian owned by Northstar and Guardian owned again by Colossus....Alpha is getting own more that any of the X-Men


Yep you just proved you know jack and if you knew anything about Alpha Flight you would know your comments are B.S

When has Wolverine owned Guardian? Sasquatch wasn't struggling, reread the issue, *sigh* do you know what the Zero Gun is? uh huh, he beat him by taking off his suit which Guardian told him how to do...PIS, he was never owned by Colossus

Yes he was...He couldn't do a damn thing...If what you say are true...Alpha Flight shouldn't been beaten...Not with Zero Gun, not by Colossus, not by any single one...Here is what you say

Colossus letting Guardian fly : PIS

Sasquatch vs. Colossus : PIS or Bad Showing or me being stupid

Northstar taking out Guardian : PIS or low showing or he knew the stuff

(Why didn't Guardian bring up his shield?? It takes him a second or less)

Wolverine taking on Guardian : Only dream or PIS or low showing

So in your opinion members of Alpha are invincible...

Colossus is now Class 100 or bigger...So he could show Sasquatch what really getting owned means....Alpha Flight is just a group. They created them to get a crew owned. Just like Gladiator...They created him to get his ass kicked everytime....

Sorry I forgot depowered Juggernaut owned Sasquatch in Hulk-Buster, but coz of Sammy he stopped....What is that? PiS or low showing or I can't read??? Ooooppsss...You don't have that comic. You burned it with the rest of the "Alpha getting owned" ones...

Originally posted by Rewmac
Yes he was...He couldn't do a damn thing...If what you say are true...Alpha Flight shouldn't been beaten...Not with Zero Gun, not by Colossus, not by any single one...Here is what you say

Colossus letting Guardian fly : PIS

Sasquatch vs. Colossus : PIS or Bad Showing or me being stupid

Northstar taking out Guardian : PIS or low showing or he knew the stuff

(Why didn't Guardian bring up his shield?? It takes him a second or less)

Wolverine taking on Guardian : Only dream or PIS or low showing

So in your opinion members of Alpha are invincible...

Colossus is now Class 100 or bigger...So he could show Sasquatch what really getting owned means....Alpha Flight is just a group. They created them to get a crew owned. Just like Gladiator...They created him to get his ass kicked everytime....



Sasquatch was struggling? tell me where he was struggling looks like he was treating him like a toy

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg07.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg09.jpg
3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg10.jpg
4. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg11.jpg
5. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg12.jpg

Huh? I never said that, but what did Guardian say after he fleed from Banshee's attack not Colossus. "It would be foolish to stay and fight against mutants I have no knowledge of" and he also said he felt guilty injury a cilvilian due to the richoot hit.

Never said that again, actually it's a great showing for Sasquatch

Which is true, the writer ignored Guardian even had a shield and how did he beat him? by using knowledge which Guardian apparently told him in the past how to dismantle his suit. Except, the suit doesn't work for Guardian anymore. He is a cyborg and generates the abilities himself thanks to the Qwrlln. Get why I think it's pis, as all Northstar really did was remove his clothes as the real power of the suit is inside Mac....literally.

Exactally why didn't he?

It was a memory implanted not even in the real Mac, but the teenage clone of Mac so he wouldn't question how he became a teenager as he believed he was the real version. Wolverine himself has stated his shields are meant to stop Wolverine's claws and have showed that.

Far from it, the there have been like 4 or 5 recent Alpha Flight versus threads and I have said certain members lose. Such as She Hulk would beat Sasquatch from the series that she took on the Champion.

and?...Sasquatch is class 100, and has the whole Tanaraq aspect to him as well. Have you seen Alpha Flight feats?...your also forgetting high end feats are what we go by on this board.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Sorry I forgot depowered Juggernaut owned Sasquatch in Hulk-Buster, but coz of Sammy he stopped....What is that? PiS or low showing or I can't read??? Ooooppsss...You don't have that comic. You burned it with the rest of the "Alpha getting owned" ones...

No he didn't, the start of the fight Sasquatch had the advantage and Guardian and Vindicator told him to stop and this gave Jugz the opportunity to hit him away. Dude, the fight lasted literally for 2 minutes as said by Northstar, no one got owned. No I have it and posted the scans in the respect thread.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No he didn't, the start of the fight Sasquatch had the advantage and Guardian and Vindicator told him to stop and this gave Jugz the opportunity to hit him away. Dude, the fight lasted literally for 2 minutes as said by Northstar, no one got owned. No I have it and posted the scans in the respect thread.
yeah i correctly rember Northstar saying "no one got owned in alpha flight"

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
yeah i correctly rember Northstar saying "no one got owned in alpha flight"

So basically you guys are trying to claim I said thing I never said and not actually fully reading the entire story? Once again Vindicator shooting machine gun fire? Mac going hand to hand?

Sorry King Mungi...But Your statements and you think you being better than comic writers gives me some hints. And if Sasquatch is so powerful shouldn't ha had owned Colossus totally who was about 19-20 and class 70???? Pafff again..Ultimate Colossus stopped a huge express train. An express train in empty is 200-250 tons...And that was a big one...Not empty about 300 tons it's just maths....Okay well that1s Ultimate leave that right now...But you always come up with some piont that how Alpha Flight would beat this and that and that...Like Silver Surfer...Oooohh man...You should check some feats too....

Juggernaut66666 I'm still waiting for those scans...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Puck has fought the Hulk one on one as well. Puck is far from invincible.

True, but he's still one bad motherf***er

Originally posted by Rewmac
Sorry King Mungi...But Your statements and you think you being better than comic writers gives me some hints. And if Sasquatch is so powerful shouldn't ha had owned Colossus totally who was about 19-20 and class 70???? Pafff again..Ultimate Colossus stopped a huge express train. An express train in empty is 200-250 tons...And that was a big one...Not empty about 300 tons it's just maths....Okay well that1s Ultimate leave that right now...But you always come up with some piont that how Alpha Flight would beat this and that and that...Like Silver Surfer...Oooohh man...You should check some feats too....

What? I never said anything like that, everything I have ever said has been shown in comics. Man your hurting your own point, by claiming things I NEVER said. He was literally toying with him placing his hand over his head while Colossus was flaying at him like a child. He was being cocky and didn't take Colossus serious.

That's nice, that's the ultimate universe, so why mention that?

No I said they would lose to Silver Surfer, but before I thought AF could win as I thought he couldn't go light speed on Earth without destroying it. Then I remember the search for Namor and changed my verdict to SS winning as they couldn't touch him. I even said in another thread Zoom would own Alpha Flight.

Originally posted by Rewmac

Juggernaut66666 I'm still waiting for those scans...

What scans?

edit: the northstar time comment? "what happened? I was only gone a minute"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Uncanny_X-Men_434_Pyrate_09.jpg

Not that....

Originally posted by Rewmac
Not that....

Which scans? I literally didn't see he asked for scans.

Mungi now watch...I'm not the only one on this forum who claims you the biggest fanboy who just wants Alpha to be unbeatable

lol he is telling me about the owning on msn lol

Originally posted by Rewmac
Mungi now watch...I'm not the only one on this forum who claims you the biggest fanboy who just wants Alpha to be unbeatable

What?...I asked you what scans did he want? and I never said they were unbeatable.

Originally posted by A.J
lol he is telling me about the owning on msn lol

ok...that's nice, if you actually want to say something about me don't do it behind my back. Also what owning on msn? I never talked to him on msn.

Wait, why are people arguing about Colossus vs. Guardian or vs Sasquatch or Northstar or Wolverine vs. Guardian? Isn't this puck and venom? :-/

Originally posted by Soljer
Wait, why are people arguing about Colossus vs. Guardian or vs Sasquatch or Northstar or Wolverine vs. Guardian? Isn't this puck and venom? :-/

Their claiming I'm biased, and I clearing my name.

Sorry mungi, Not that clued up on Puck but it seems like he would get kinda owned... Just because I cant see what puck could do to hurt him.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
ok...that's nice, if you actually want to say something about me don't do it behind my back. Also what owning on msn? I never talked to him on msn. I don't talk behind your back...We are just discussing things...Well I said it here as well....Try to read...

Originally posted by Mr.V
Sorry mungi, Not that clued up on Puck but it seems like he would get kinda owned... Just because I cant see what puck could do to hurt him.

I never even said Puck would win, just that suffocation would be his best bet due to his durability.

Originally posted by Rewmac
I don't talk behind your back...We are just discussing things...Well I said it here as well....Try to read...

Your discussing things about me behind my back, you made a comment I had no idea what you were talking about until AJ cleared it up. That's pretty childish

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Your discussing things about me behind my back, you made a comment I had no idea what you were talking about until AJ cleared it up. That's pretty childish Thanks for the info...Why don't you change your name or title to Joker?

Originally posted by Rewmac
Thanks for the info...Why don't you change your name or title to Joker?

What's your problem? I'm all for debating in a civil manner as I could have resorted to name bashing, but that's childish and pointless. If you have an issue we can discuss it, I'm all for it.

wolverine owning puck and guardian

http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theuncannyxmen355232jb.jpg

http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theuncannyxmen355182yg.jpg

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
It didnt work so I'll just give u a link to the site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCBy1TZqzP8

Wow worst interpretiation of Alpha Flight...ever

Seriously nearly anyone in Alpha Flight can easily take down Wolverine and yet here he is owning the entire team

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
wolverine owning puck and guardian

http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theuncannyxmen355232jb.jpg

http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theuncannyxmen355182yg.jpg

No. You draw those...Admit it...

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
wolverine owning puck and guardian

http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theuncannyxmen355232jb.jpg

http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theuncannyxmen355182yg.jpg

They were mind controlled and even Wolverine and Storm in the same issue knew something was wrong and stated they wern't fighting to their full power. Hell Vindicator didn't even know Wolverine's name thanks to Department H's mind manipulation. Plus none of them were ko'ed from that, post the rest of the fight.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AlphaFlightv208-TheWeaponXFiles-20.jpg
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Guardian vs. Wolverine (the real Mac as the scans above are a 19 year old clone)
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men-109_11.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men-109_13and15.jpg

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
stupid LITTLE Puck

*backslaps juggernaut66666*

You shut your mouth

Originally posted by Grimm22
*backslaps juggernaut66666*

You shut your mouth
Oh grimm please forgive i wasn't meant to

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
wolverine owning puck and guardian

http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theuncannyxmen355232jb.jpg

http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theuncannyxmen355182yg.jpg

Yeah thats not PIS or anything right

Told you so Juggernaut...Those picz aren't real...No one can own them

Originally posted by Grimm22
Yeah thats not PIS or anything right
OK it is PIS cause Puck did not use his "I can beat anyone ability"

Originally posted by Rewmac
Told you so Juggernaut...Those picz aren't real...No one can own them

Many people can own them, as shown with the Collective, Llan, Great Beasts, Pestilence, etc. I never claimed they were unbeatable, you claimed I did but like I said the recent AF vs. threads I have said either the team or the individual fighting would lose.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
OK it is PIS cause Puck did not use his "I can beat anyone ability"

They were mind-controlled into thinking Wolverine had adamintium bones when in fact he didn't. They wanted to trick them into brining Wolverine back manipulating their memories forgeting their history even implanting a memory of Wolverine killing Madison Jeffries (he didn't). They wanted Wolverine to once again become their agent. Puck is far from unbeatable.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
They were mind-controlled into thinking Wolverine had adamintium bones when in fact he didn't. They wanted to trick them into brining Wolverine back manipulating their memories forgeting their history even implanting a memory of Wolverine killing Madison Jeffries (he didn't). They wanted Wolverine to once again become their agent. Puck is far from unbeatable.
sasquatch was pretty tough to attack wolverine from behind

Retards, King Mungi backs up everything he says with facts, scans, proof; he is a very good debater, and a very good poster. He hasn't resorted to your immature 'game' level, and I give him even MORE respect for that! Hell! He didn't even say that Puck would win! Just that, due to his insane durability, that Venom would have the easiest time smothering him! Chill, guys.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
sasquatch was pretty tough to attack wolverine from behind

Well considering he is the real Sasquatch of myth who is a savage brute...meh! He's not the real Sasquatch many know of

http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Sasquatch_II

Originally posted by Soljer
Retards, King Mungi backs up everything he says with facts, scans, proof; he is a very good debater, and a very good poster. He hasn't resorted to your immature 'game' level, and I give him even MORE respect for that! Hell! He didn't even say that Puck would win! Just that, due to his insane durability, that Venom would have the easiest time smothering him! Chill, guys.

Thank you I greatly appreicate that

Originally posted by Soljer
Retards, King Mungi backs up everything he says with facts, scans, proof; he is a very good debater, and a very good poster. He hasn't resorted to your immature 'game' level, and I give him even MORE respect for that! Hell! He didn't even say that Puck would win! Just that, due to his insane durability, that Venom would have the easiest time smothering him! Chill, guys. Well who isn't packing proof...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Speed, agility, reflexes and experience, not saying he coudn't but it wouldn't be easy


uhhhh no.....


just...

no.....

do you even know who venom IS?


cause in regard to those attributes all I got for you is one name... SPIDER ****IN MAN!

he has all of those attributes to the max level in the marvel U... doesn't help him...

hell even an experienced scarlet spider WITH a working spider sense couldn't do anything but get gutted by venom on one occasion, choked out on another, and used like a baseball bat on another..

agility? no
reflexes? no
experience? no... just no.... these are not going to save puck from getting creamed by venom... venom has almost suffocated spidey on have a dozen occasions off the top of my head... and venom admittedly holds back on spiderman.. what the hell would be so difficult about doing it to puck?

I never said they were equal in all those areas. Just that with those Puck can fend him off for awhile. Believe it or not Puck was said to have the same level of reflexes as SPider-Man

Puck
http://www.unfluffybunny.com/crippHB/O-P/tf_puckback.jpg

Venom
http://www.unfluffybunny.com/crippHB/U-V/t_venomback.jpg

Damn no direct linking, alright I will upload the scans when I get back tommorow. Ciao

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I never said they were equal in all those areas. Just that with those Puck can fend him off for awhile. Believe it or not Puck was said to have the same level of reflexes as SPider-Man

Puck
http://www.unfluffybunny.com/crippHB/O-P/tf_puckback.jpg

Venom
http://www.unfluffybunny.com/crippHB/U-V/t_venomback.jpg

same level of reflexes?

so puck has a form of precog apparently?

and doesn't the fact that puck and spiderman aren't on the same levels in those attributes kinda prove that suffocating puck wouldn't prove all that difficult at all?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Yeah thats not PIS or anything right

pfffft.. wolverine doesn't look like a complete bafoon=PIS in grimms opinion...

Originally posted by jinzin
pfffft.. wolverine doesn't look like a complete bafoon=PIS in grimms opinion...

Dude

Its bone claws wolverine pwning Puck and Vindicator

Thats just plain stupid

Originally posted by Grimm22
Dude

Its bone claws wolverine pwning Puck and Vindicator

Thats just plain stupid

explain...

Originally posted by jinzin
same level of reflexes?

so puck has a form of precog apparently?

and doesn't the fact that puck and spiderman aren't on the same levels in those attributes kinda prove that suffocating puck wouldn't prove all that difficult at all?

Indeed,

No, he can plan multiple battle tactics in less than a second..example:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AlphaFlight16-15.jpg

No, SPider-Man ands Puck's agility are equal or damn near close. Also Puck's fighting skills are vastly better, as well as his durability and experience. Also don't forget Venom's alien suit diminishes Spider-Man's spider-sense
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Spider-Man
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/t_spidermanback.jpg

Puck
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/tf_puckback.jpg

Venom
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/t_venomback.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Indeed,

No, he can plan multiple battle tactics in less than a second..example:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AlphaFlight16-15.jpg

No, SPider-Man ands Puck's agility are equal or damn near close. Also Puck's fighting skills are vastly better, as well as his durability and experience. Also don't forget Venom's alien suit diminishes Spider-Man's spider-sense
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Spider-Man
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/t_spidermanback.jpg

Puck
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/tf_puckback.jpg

Venom
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/t_venomback.jpg
at the moment venom is atleast class 50 cause he absorbed carnage

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
at the moment venom is atleast class 50 cause he absorbed carnage

Wait?..he did? I thought Sentry killed him in space? Or did he come back recently?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wait?..he did? I thought Sentry killed him in space? Or did he come back recently?
no the story is just stupid he absorbs carnage symbote than from nowhere comes another carnage symbiote who uses cleetus cassady as a host

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
no the story is just stupid he absorbs carnage symbote than from nowhere comes another carnage symbiote who uses cleetus cassady as a host

meh! I heard worse Spider-Man stories , but yeah even if it was non-upgraded Venom no way would he go toe to toe with him as their is to large of a gap in strength.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
meh! I heard worse Spider-Man stories , but yeah even if it was non-upgraded Venom no way would he go toe to toe with him as their is to large of a gap in strength.
Have you read venom on trial?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Have you read venom on trial?

Nope, I stopped reading comics for about 5 years and only slowly getting the back issues. I have all the Venom mini-series, but I have yet to read Eddie Brock killing himself, which I think is dumb.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Nope, I stopped reading comics for about 5 years and only slowly getting the back issues. I have all the Venom mini-series, but I have yet to read Eddie Brock killing himself, which I think is dumb.
n venom on trial he beats carnage with 4 hits then spiderman begs him to don't kill cleetus

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Indeed,

No, he can plan multiple battle tactics in less than a second..example:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AlphaFlight16-15.jpg then not indeed....
if he doesn'thave precog his reflexes are not on spiderman's level.. spiderman reacts to things before they even take place, if puck can't do that then it really doesn't matter how many battle tactics he can make in a compressed timeframe since that makes no real argument for having REFLEXES anywhere near spidey level..

hell wolverine can make complex battle tactics in his head in compressed timeframes even while feral.. that doesn't prove anything about his reflexes.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No, SPider-Man ands Puck's agility are equal or damn near close. Also Puck's fighting skills are vastly better, as well as his durability and experience. Also don't forget Venom's alien suit diminishes Spider-Man's spider-sense
I'd like to see more proof that their levels in agility are anywhere near equal.
true about fighting skills, I'd say VERY iffy about experience, I'd venture to say spiderman has TIMES over more battles under his belt then puck.
and that's why i brought up scralet spider.. even the spider sense was useless against venom... and that's when it was working...



as for venom and carnage


venom absorbed the carnage symbiote, carnage got another one from an alternate demension, venom asorbed a sentient peice of himself as well..that's why he's 3X the venom he used to be.

Originally posted by jinzin
then not indeed....
if he doesn'thave precog his reflexes are not on spiderman's level.. spiderman reacts to things before they even take place, if puck can't do that then it really doesn't matter how many battle tactics he can make in a compressed timeframe since that makes no real argument for having REFLEXES anywhere near spidey level..

hell wolverine can make complex battle tactics in his head in compressed timeframes even while feral.. that doesn't prove anything about his reflexes.

I'd like to see more proof that their levels in agility are anywhere near equal.
true about fighting skills, I'd say VERY iffy about experience, I'd venture to say spiderman has TIMES over more battles under his belt then puck.
and that's why i brought up scralet spider.. even the spider sense was useless against venom... and that's when it was working...


Spider-Man's senses warn him of immedite danger, most of the time it doesn't tell him what the danger is just that there is danger. Puck has trained himself and thanks to his upgrade to have superhuman reflexes the same category as Spider-Man. Which entails them both to have virtually instaneous reflexes.

Sure it does, that was even classic Puck the scans I showed and the handbooks state he has superhuman reflexes the same as Venom and Spider-Man. Wolverine has enhanced human reflexes not superhuman like Puck.

Anything specific? as it's pretty hard just to show scans of agility

Puck is over 80 years old and has fought in all the major wars, the Spanish Civil War, soilder of fourtune in the 1900's, battled in Maracaibo as well as the Tonkin Gulf and this was all before he became Puck of Alpha Flight. Spider-Man doesn't even come close in experience. The suit dampens it not just shuts it off, and that right there hinders Spider-Man reflexes in battle. Why would Scarlet Spider's spider-sense work when he is a clone of Spider-Man and his doesn't work against Venom?

Originally posted by jinzin
explain...

First off, Vindicator pwned Wolverine with Adamantium Claws several times

Second off, Puck should be able to take down Wolverine with relative ease, none the less Bone Claws Logan.

Puck is faster, stronger, better reflexes. What else do you want

Nothing Puck can do will stop Venom, physical damage is kinda useless. That said Venom could still tendril Puck and because of that I would give the majority to Venom 8/10. Not because of lack of ability or stats for puck mostly because Venom has more tools at his disposal that would hurt Puck.

Originally posted by Soleran
Nothing Puck can do will stop Venom, physical damage is kinda useless. That said Venom could still tendril Puck and because of that I would give the majority to Venom 8/10. Not because of lack of ability or stats for puck mostly because Venom has more tools at his disposal that would hurt Puck.

Co-signed.

Originally posted by Soleran
Nothing Puck can do will stop Venom, physical damage is kinda useless. That said Venom could still tendril Puck and because of that I would give the majority to Venom 8/10. Not because of lack of ability or stats for puck mostly because Venom has more tools at his disposal that would hurt Puck.

Pretty much

I mean Puck is awesome and all, but I can't exactly see him winning this fight

Originally posted by Grimm22
Pretty much

I mean Puck is awesome and all, but I can't exactly see him winning this fight

Nor do I, suffocation would be Venom best bet which he can do. As physical means probally won't be effective due to Puck's durability.

i agree with most of this thread. i'll disagree that suffocation is the only avenue to victory. tendrils through his eyes, ears nose or mouth straight into his brain would end it right quick as well. venom can bypass his durable exterior (unless there is proof his heart and lungs and all his organs are also rubberized . . .) to get at the good stuff inside.

puck really can't do anything without prep or access to some tech. i have a hard time finding even one logical way for puck to ko venom.

Originally posted by leonidas
i agree with most of this thread. i'll disagree that suffocation is the only avenue to victory. tendrils through his eyes, ears nose or mouth straight into his brain would end it right quick as well. venom can bypass his durable exterior (unless there is proof his heart and lungs and all his organs are also rubberized . . .) to get at the good stuff inside.

puck really can't do anything without prep or access to some tech. i have a hard time finding even one logical way for puck to ko venom.

His entire body including his organs are made out of the compressed rubber like substance. Everything in his body was compressed. He was a 6 foot tranaformed monster thanks to the Master and then he was compacted to his current state.

"genetic manipulation of cellular structure, Puck's tissues were condensed at a molecular level, causing his body to become akin to compressed rubber"

we won't get into the silliness of that -- i mean all his internal organs?? blood cells too? and his brain???

anyway, i still doubt his eyeballs are rubberized -- at least not to the extent the rest of him seems to have been. venom blinds him and he's pretty screwed.

Originally posted by leonidas
we won't get into the silliness of that -- i mean all his internal organs?? blood cells too? and his brain???

anyway, i still doubt his eyeballs are rubberized -- at least not to the extent the rest of him seems to have been. venom blinds him and he's pretty screwed.

No, as it said his "tissues" were compressed at a molecular level and organs are made out of tissue as well. So no his blood wouldn't be.

Well we really don't know.