Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

Absolutely no PIS/CIS. Flash is at his MAXIMUM potential and Thor is at his normal power levels.

The Flash is absolutely bloodlusted and is more than willing to kill no matter what it takes.

Thor is the same. They will utilize their powers to the fullest.

Flash has an extra stake in it. If he loses, his wife and kids will under go the "Hostel" treatment to be tortured horribly for the rest of eternity.

They fight on a planet that has completely even plane. Nothing but smooth concrete. Nothing else is on the planet. No gophers, no rocks, no boulders. NOTHING.

They have no basic knowledge of each other.

They cannot get outside help from others (i.e. Odin or the JLA)

They stand 20 feet apart from each other.

They are not allowed to leave the planet at all via teleportation, time-traveling, dimensional travel, etc.

Thor is not allowed to reach escape velocity to escape the planet's atmosphere. The maximum height he is allowed to achieve is 500 feet in the air. If passes this line, he automatically loses.

If a competitor destroys the planet to such a level where it becomes unihabitable, than the said competitor automatically loses. (i.e. planetbuster).

They are not allowed to draw power from outside energy/magic/etc. sources. Flash is only allowed the Speed Force while Thor is allowed whatever energies he holds in his hammer.

Debate.

Flash hits first.
Thor flies over 500 feet in the air and loses.

Flash. Thor cannot react in time for Flash to do this:

http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla003045tf.jpg http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla003056zx.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla003064go.jpg http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jla003073nt.jpg

(and thats escape velocity on a Superman level character )

Hostel sucked and Flash wins.

The Flash is absolutely bloodlusted and is more than willing to kill no matter what it takes. Thor is the same.
Draco the sentence above is throwing me off. Flash beats normal thor but a fully bloodlust willing to kill thor ( do you mean tapping full into warrior madness mode)?

Originally posted by Big Sexy
The Flash is absolutely bloodlusted and is more than willing to kill no matter what it takes. Thor is the same.
Draco the sentence above is throwing me off. Flash beats normal thor but a fully bloodlust willing to kill thor ( do you mean tapping full into warrior madness mode)? "Absolutely no PIS/CIS. Flash is at his MAXIMUM potential and Thor is at his normal power levels."

Thor and Flash are bloodlusted and both are willing to kill. They want to win at ANY cost.

Originally posted by Juntai
"Absolutely no PIS/CIS. Flash is at his MAXIMUM potential and Thor is at his normal power levels."
Meaning no Rune King Thor before anyone tries to bring that up.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
The Flash is absolutely bloodlusted and is more than willing to kill no matter what it takes. Thor is the same.
Draco the sentence above is throwing me off. Flash beats normal thor but a fully bloodlust willing to kill thor ( do you mean tapping full into warrior madness mode)?

Warrior Madness is not allowed since it is not within his normal power sets except with stipulations.

By bloodlusted, I mean Thor is absolutely willing to kill and will do so ruthless without CIS holding him back....or Captain America for that matter.

Originally posted by Juntai
"Absolutely no PIS/CIS. Flash is at his MAXIMUM potential and Thor is at his normal power levels."

So basicly Kingdom Come Flash vs Thor

Originally posted by Juntai
"Absolutely no PIS/CIS. Flash is at his MAXIMUM potential and Thor is at his normal power levels." Flash wins then

Flash.

I seriously think Thor could use mjolnir to disrupt Flash's access to the speed force energies

He could also raze the planets surface with winds of thousands of miles per hour and hail stones the size of small cars... not to mention the lightning

He could drop the temperature to -150oC planet-wide within moments (see "The Day After Tomorrow" which would make all of the air unbreathable to the Flash

If Thor can stand the first blows made by flash then he can win. That would be hard to do though. Any one of the things scoobless said are easily true if Thor is still standing after the first blows.

Originally posted by Draco69
Absolutely no PIS/CIS. Flash is at his MAXIMUM potential and Thor is at his normal power levels.

The Flash is absolutely bloodlusted and is more than willing to kill no matter what it takes.

Thor is the same. They will utilize their powers to the fullest.

Flash has an extra stake in it. If he loses, his wife and kids will under go the "Hostel" treatment to be tortured horribly for the rest of eternity.

They fight on a planet that has completely even plane. Nothing but smooth concrete. Nothing else is on the planet. No gophers, no rocks, no boulders. NOTHING.

They have no basic knowledge of each other.

They cannot get outside help from others (i.e. Odin or the JLA)

They stand 20 feet apart from each other.

They are not allowed to leave the planet at all via teleportation, time-traveling, dimensional travel, etc.

Thor is not allowed to reach escape velocity to escape the planet's atmosphere. The maximum height he is allowed to achieve is 500 feet in the air. If passes this line, he automatically loses.

If a competitor destroys the planet to such a level where it becomes unihabitable, than the said competitor automatically loses. (i.e. planetbuster).

They are not allowed to draw power from outside energy/magic/etc. sources. Flash is only allowed the Speed Force while Thor is allowed whatever energies he holds in his hammer.

Debate.

Spite-Thread.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I seriously think Thor could use mjolnir to disrupt Flash's access to the speed force energies

He could also raze the planets surface with winds of thousands of miles per hour and hail stones the size of small cars... not to mention the lightning

He could drop the temperature to -150oC planet-wide within moments (see "The Day After Tomorrow" which would make all of the air unbreathable to the Flash

True , but can he do all this within a Pico-second ?

Because by the time Thor has tightened his grip on Mjolnir Flash has already vibrated his hand through Thors chest and then ran in the opposite direction.


Seconds later Thor explodes.


Flash wins.

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
If Thor can stand the first blows made by flash then he can win. That would be hard to do though. Any one of the things scoobless said are easily true if Thor is still standing after the first blows.

I'd put Thor's durability above Wonder Woman's.... and when Zoom was kicking Wonder Woman around the planet she was never really hurt

Originally posted by grey fox
Spite-Thread.

IS NOT!!

Scoobless gave several good strategies for Thor.

Thor's hammer is amazingly verstaile....

Originally posted by Scoobless
I'd put Thor's durability above Wonder Woman's.... and when Zoom was kicking Wonder Woman around the planet she was never really hurt
Flash just has to knock Thor 500 ft. according to the thread starter.

If flash makes the mistake of not taking Thor out at the start he's meat. He may not make that mistake though, very hard to answer question.

Then again, the Speed Force is gone currently, so...

Originally posted by Draco69
IS NOT!!

Scoobless gave several good strategies for Thor.

Thor's hammer is amazingly verstaile....

True , but when you Amp flash to his maximum you have a guy who is arguably Dc's deadliest human.

Originally posted by Accel
Then again, the Speed Force is gone currently, so...


...then again Thors dead currently.

Ergo flash wins anyway .

Originally posted by grey fox
...then again Thors dead currently.

Ergo flash wins anyway .
Touche.

Well actually hes in a slumber guys, not dead.

Originally posted by Accel
Flash just has to knock Thor 500 ft. according to the thread starter.

I thought that had to be a voluntary thing

Originally posted by Scoobless
I thought that had to be a voluntary thing

Hmm........




I was under the impression it meant ether BFR or willful escape.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I thought that had to be a voluntary thing

Yeah. It is. It's voluntary.

Grey Fox has it quoted above.

Originally posted by Draco69
Absolutely no PIS/CIS. Flash is at his MAXIMUM potential and Thor is at his normal power levels.

The Flash is absolutely bloodlusted and is more than willing to kill no matter what it takes.

Thor is the same. They will utilize their powers to the fullest.

Flash has an extra stake in it. If he loses, his wife and kids will under go the "Hostel" treatment to be tortured horribly for the rest of eternity.

They fight on a planet that has completely even plane. Nothing but smooth concrete. Nothing else is on the planet. No gophers, no rocks, no boulders. NOTHING.

They have no basic knowledge of each other.

They cannot get outside help from others (i.e. Odin or the JLA)

They stand 20 feet apart from each other.

They are not allowed to leave the planet at all via teleportation, time-traveling, dimensional travel, etc.

Thor is not allowed to reach escape velocity to escape the planet's atmosphere. The maximum height he is allowed to achieve is 500 feet in the air. If passes this line, he automatically loses.

If a competitor destroys the planet to such a level where it becomes unihabitable, than the said competitor automatically loses. (i.e. planetbuster).

They are not allowed to draw power from outside energy/magic/etc. sources. Flash is only allowed the Speed Force while Thor is allowed whatever energies he holds in his hammer.

Debate.

Why would you make a thread thats totally in favor of Flash? You made all the rules so that Flash would have to win?

Why can't Thor be at his full potential?

Flash wins unless he moves 2x the speed of light or slower

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Why would you make a thread thats totally in favor of Flash? You made all the rules so that Flash would have to win?

Why can't Thor be at his full potential?

Flash wins unless he moves 2x the speed of light or slower

Thor IS at full potential. He's just not allowed to leave the planet or destroy it anymore than Flash can.

They have even stipulations except for that fact that Flash has more stake in it. I added this because Wally does not have a killer instinct like Thor does.

C'mon, people. Thor has alot of powers like matter manipulation, energy absorbtion and time-stopping. Surely, someone besides Scoobless can think of something???

Well like I said befor If Thor survives the first attack or makes the first attack flash is meat. Im sure if gets the chance Thor will recogize flash for what he is and take appropriate measures. A mass blanketing affect like a massive temp drop or energy explosion would do nicely. Its kinda hard to think of much else right now as scoobless used my standard Thor vs. Speedster answer

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Well like I said befor If Thor survives the first attack...

That's a big if....

Flash just speeds up his brain impuleses and boom no more Thor.

I doubt Flash's top attacks hit harder than Thanos and Thor has fought on after taking those in the past

Thor has fought on after taking harder hits than Thanos can give as well. We're not even sure to what end the speed force can affect an asgardian body, espically one thats half elder god.

sorry how is the flash gonna knock thor up in the air?? i know next to nothing about flash so im pretty confused.

look at the scans in the first page...that was a superman level character

Originally posted by Dinalfos
That's a big if....

You serious?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
You serious?

Me serious.

Wait, if neither is allowed to draw power, would that technically mean that Flash can't steal Thor's speed?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Me serious.

Why wouldn't he survive it? He has taken a blast from Skurge the Executioner that was the equivalent to the blast of an exploding sun.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/journeyintomystery103092bx.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/journeyintomystery103102pd.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/journeyintomystery103111wz.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/journeyintomystery103123fu.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/journeyintomystery103134jj.jpg

He has fought Zues for months(Although he lost) and took some big hits.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor7.jpg

So why wouldn't be able to take ONE hit from Flash?

Originally posted by Scoobless
I doubt Flash's top attacks hit harder than Thanos and Thor has fought on after taking those in the past

Yes but Thanos can't reach inside you and grip your heart , he also can't make your insides explode.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Why wouldn't he survive it? He has taken a blast from Skurge the Executioner that was the equivalent to the blast of an exploding sun.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/journeyintomystery103092bx.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/journeyintomystery103102pd.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/journeyintomystery103111wz.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/journeyintomystery103123fu.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/journeyintomystery103134jj.jpg

He has fought Zues for months(Although he lost) and took some big hits.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZuesvsThor7.jpg

So why wouldn't be able to take ONE hit from Flash?

ONE hit?! Flash is so fast he could land a hundred hits before Thor can even blink.

Now, I don't know what Flash's acceleration speed is, but if he can reach light speed in an instant, Thor will be flattened. He might stand a chance if Flash decided not to charge at full speed, but he's still so fast that it would never allow Thor to attack.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
So why wouldn't be able to take ONE hit from Flash?
He can take one hit.


http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8934/outsiders036page062ik7tl.th.jpg http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7691/outsiders036page078ke0jf.th.jpg

Originally posted by grey fox
Yes but Thanos can't reach inside you and grip your heart , he also can't make your insides explode.

Van Flash do that to a god? A half ling at that?

Either way Thor can summon force fields

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0010tj.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0021vh.jpg

Or he could absorb his spirit

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/absorbingspirit0015oc.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/absorbingspirit0027nf.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/absorbingspirit0032lk.jpg

Thor could plenty of reg strength punches from flash. If .50 machine gun fire dosnt do anything(he also just smiled at a punch from rogue) a normal strength human isnt either no matter how many of them thier are. Its punches from a light speed running start thats the problem.

Yes, it's all about infinite mass.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Van Flash do that to a god? A half ling at that?

Either way Thor can summon force fields

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0010tj.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0021vh.jpg

Or he could absorb his spirit

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/absorbingspirit0015oc.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/absorbingspirit0027nf.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/absorbingspirit0032lk.jpg

nice,
question: wouldent full potential, blood lusted thor be warrior maddness?

Thor can do a lot but none of it before Flash stomps him into the ground. An absoloutely bloodlusted Flash is almost unbeatable or at the least, too fast to get killed by most attacks.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
ONE hit?! Flash is so fast he could land a hundred hits before Thor can even blink.

Now, I don't know what Flash's acceleration speed is, but if he can reach light speed in an instant, Thor will be flattened. He might stand a chance if Flash decided not to charge at full speed, but he's still so fast that it would never allow Thor to attack.

Thor can reach 3x the speed of light, and fight at 2x the speed of light. Im not sure how fast Flash can move in earths gravity without the speed force, can you tell me?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0015yl.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0021oi.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0034wq.jpg

without the speed force? I dunno, how fast do you run?

At 14 I can run a 4.50 40?

Im being sarcastic. Without it, hes just a normal human

Not every Flash had the speed Force yet they still had Super Speed.

Wally West is a normal human without it. The only one that is fast without it is Jay. Hes a meta human

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor can reach 3x the speed of light, and fight at 2x the speed of light. Im not sure how fast Flash can move in earths gravity without the speed force, can you tell me?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0015yl.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0021oi.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0034wq.jpg

I'm not exactly a Flash fan. But according to Wikipedia Barry Allen and Wally West are supposed to be faster. I don't know how that speedforce thing works.

Btw, running and moving at the speed of light is lot more practical in combat than having to send your hammer, because that would require at least some thought. And a thought is taking too much time, because Flash can move himself at those speeds.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Wally West is a normal human without it. The only one that is fast without it is Jay. Hes a meta human

If he's normal, then how can Wally resist the infinity of his mass when approaching light speed? Hell, how can he even see normally at those speeds?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
If he's normal, then how can Wally resist the infinity of his mass when approaching light speed? Hell, how can he even see normally at those speeds?
Speed Force.

Without the Speed Force. The speed force GAVE him his powers. Hes normal in the way that a gl is normal. Give them a ring and they will kick your butt.

Originally posted by Accel
Speed Force.

So how does that work? Does it grant him unlimited durability/stamina? Or does it just make him immune?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I'm not exactly a Flash fan. But according to Wikipedia Barry Allen and Wally West are supposed to be faster. I don't know how that speedforce thing works.

Btw, running and moving at the speed of light is lot more practical in combat than having to send your hammer, because that would require at least some thought. And a thought is taking too much time, because Flash can move himself at those speeds.

Thor can swing his hammer at multiples of the speed of light, if that counts as combat skill?

If not though, Thor can paralyze flash and proceed in beating on him.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/paralyzing0012bb.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/paralyzing0020nh.jpg

Or Thor could shrink Flash

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/epicfeat0018yi.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/epicfeat0021ky.jpg

Originally posted by Dinalfos
So how does that work? Does it grant him unlimited durability/stamina? Or does it just make him immune?
It allows him to run as fast as light without burning up from the air friction as well punching people at lightspeed without completely shattering his hand. The SF is a HUGE plot device that allows Flash do all sorts of things, even create constructs ala Green Lantern.

Oh, for heaven's sake. Too many people asking questions about Flash's powers...

NOTE: Some parts are outdated. For example, the first description says if Flash goes at lightspeed he enters the Speed Force. This simply isn't true anymore...

A description of his powers: (Background makes it hard to read)

> Flash Respect Thread Prelude:
>
> Powers:
>
> Superspeed
> Wally West is the Fastest Man Alive, and so far as is known, the Fastest Man Ever. He is capable of moving at just under the speed of light, and in truth his top speed, if he has one, is hard to guage since once he goes beyond lightspeed, he enters the Speed Force. As far as is known Wally is the only speedster to enter the Speed Force entirely and re-emerge, which helps account for his incredible gifts. His connection he has with the Speed Force is stronger than any known person has ever attained. It's far more than enough to allow Wally West to run up sheer or even upside-down surfaces to defy gravity, or to allow him to run over liquids as if they were as firm as concrete. He can catch bullets out of the air as if they were stationary, and could quite probably dodge lasers.
>
> Molecular control
> The gifts of the Speed Force include the ability to control every molecule of Wally's body to where they can be vibrated and made to phase through solid matter. These days, doing so can charge whatever he phases through with kinetic energy and cause that matter to explode violently. This is both a good and bad thing, in that he can use the ability to charge matter to explode as a weapon, but in doing so he harms whatever he phases through. Since the Flash's recent increase in speed, his control has been enhanced to where he may choose either to kinetically charge what he vibrates through, or not do so and pass through solid matter harmlessly. Another facet of his molecular control is that Wally can vibrate himself to where his body becomes invisible and light just passes through it. Yet another ability related to his vibrational molecular control is that Wally can attune his ears and eyes to hear and see the vibrations of radio waves or other forms of light, thereby tuning into any frequencies he cares to listen to or see just as if they were normal sound and light. Through the control of his vibrations, he is even able to heat up substances that he touches or impart heat energy into an object on contact.
>
> Turbocharged brain
> When Wally moves into superspeed his perceptions change radically and the world appears to move by at a snail's pace. If he's going fast enough, the world even seems to have frozen. This altering of perception is vital in order for Wally to function at the extreme speeds that he can reach, and allows him to manage his movements and environment with awareness and accuracy. It's also a power that he can activate without physically moving any faster, throwing his thought processes into overdrive to where his perceptions and thoughts fire off faster than the processes of a supercomputer. He can, if he chooses, read a book (a big one like Lord of the Rings) in less than a second with full comprehension and the only speed motion required being the turning of the pages.
>
> Speed force aura
> When moving at superspeed, Wally West is able to surround himself with an aura of Speed Force Energy. It extends out from his body enough to cover objects or even persons carried by him, and allows him to treat them as extensions of his person for purposes of speed powers. The aura also protects Wally from the effects of hitting stationary objects (so instead of turning to hamburger he'd just hit as if he were running normally and ran into it) and keeps his passing from causing sonic booms and massive collateral damage everywhere he goes at superspeed. The aura can be controlled to where such sonic booms and effects on the environment are allowed, however.
>
> Kinetic energy control
> Wally West is able to both steal and give energy of motion from and to an object. He can take the velocity out of a moving object and cause it to stand still as well as charge an object with motion and propel it into possibly ridiculous amounts of speed. This is only possible in either case with objects that happen to be or are caught in Wally's wake as he passes or moves over them. In a sense it's really contact and proximity to his Speed Force Aura that enables him to add to or take away from the velocity of other objects, and he can either drag objects behind him at his speed or move past an already-moving object and take its speed away to leave it standing motionless behind.
>
> Speed tricks
> Among the various tricks that Wally can perform with his powers are:
>
> The Snap - Where through manipulation of the Speed Force Aura and a superspeed motion (often a snap of the fingers or clap of the hands) Wally causes a deafening and highly damaging sonic boom that can knock down walls and stun opponents.
>
> Cyclones - Where through moving his limbs in various fashions the Flash may cause extreme winds that can blow about objects with force similar to a tornado.

>
> Dismantling - Where through a simple series of appropriate motion Wally just dissects things like cars, weapons, furniture, down to the limit of his understanding of how to take apart a given device or object. That's assuming he wants it to be able to work when reassembled...
>
> Bombs - Where through taking advantage of the explosive kinetic charge that Wally endows an object by phasing through it, he intentionally charges things to explode in order to use them as weapons. They can be as simple as walls or trees, or as clever as throwing a rock without opening his fist and letting that rock phase through his fingers, charged to explode as it hurtles toward its intended target.
>
> Vibro Hands - Where Wally can saw through solid objects with his hands (as an example) by vibrating his body and basically blasting his way through said object on contact.
>
> Hot Touch - Where through vibrational control, Wally can heat up an object as much or as little as he likes just by touching it and concentrating on the energy he imparts to it.
>
> Speed force suit
> Through his control of Speed Force Energy, Wally is able to form a suit around his body in the approximate shape and color of his original Flash suit he inherited from Barry, only made of pure Speed Energy. This suit is more convenient than the old ring-pop-out suit, and it is capable of acting like armor to absorb great amounts of kinetic energy.
>
> Healing
> Wally is able to use the Speed Force in order to speed up the healing of injuries to himself. In essence, he is able to heal minor cuts, abrasions, and bruises in a matter of minutes. More major or deep wounds might take hours. The greatest limit to this ability are broken bones, as they take much longer to heal...perhaps days or weeks in spite of his powers of speed and healing.
>
> Sustenance
> Through his link with the Speed Force, Wally is able to draw sustenance from that energy field that allows his body to channel Speed Force Energy without having to stuff his body with carbs and food to keep going. It also provides him with the needed energy to keep running and running even if it's all the way around the globe.
>
> Time travel
> Wally West can travel through time in three ways:
>
> Speed Force - By reaching the Speed Force and bouncing off of the barrier at the edge of it, Wally will often skip forward or back in time unpredictably. Alternately he can cross that barrier and enter the Speed Force entirely, then exit to any possible point in history. Unfortunately by this method the Speed Force has a way of controlling when he comes out and ends up. About his best bet in doing this is to run right along the Speed Force wall. Doing so, Wally can read the different eras that he passes up and just stop at the one he wants. So far, Wally is the only speedster that can reliably perform this mode of time travel.
>
> Temporal Vibrations - By attuning his physical vibrations to those of another timeframe, Wally can basically fade into another time/dimension. The only trouble doing this is that he doesn't necessarily know the proper vibration for a given time in a given dimension, and just experimenting with different vibrations to see where you end up is about as smart as stabbing yourself in the brain with a needle to see what cool things you can make your leg do.
>
> Cosmic Treadmill - By using this invention of Barry Allen's, Wally has only to get on the treadmill, set it to the time and place he wants to go, and run to power it. It's been the cause of a few excellent adventures, as well as some bogus journeys.
>
> Speed force attunement
> Because of his link with the Speed Force, Wally West is able to commune with it and sense and track any speedster, no matter when or where they are. It's a subtle but very useful aspect of his power.
>
> Quick formula
> Wally knows the speed formula which gave Johnny and Jesse Quick their speed. He doesn't use it often, and the first time was to give him an extra boost on top of his natural superspeed and to help him reach the Speed Force. Since then, his natural speed has been adequate to get there alone, so he's never had to use it. He still knows the formula, however, and by reciting the equation "3x2(9yz)4a" and conceptualizing the fourth dimensional construct that goes with it, Wally can stack the added superspeed of the Quick's on top of his own. A side effect of when he does this is that for a brief moment, time is frozen for everyone except Wally during which the added link to the Speed Force seems to interfere with his natural one, or perhaps elbows it aside for a bit in order to provide its form of superspeed. The effect is unnoticeable to anyone in the normal timestream, however, and as soon as the "time-hiccup" or whatever one calls it passes, Wally has extra superspeed. This added link to the Speed Force neither supercedes nor interferes with his natural link besides that momentary timefreeze, and it allows him all of the normal powers that he normally has with his own superspeed.

I'm giving this to Wally.....and its not because I hate Thor with a passion and love the Flash.

This fight really isn't up for debate in the slightest.

Flash wins this. Running backward. While asleep. And in a coma. With two broken legs.

That's not even a biased answer. But there's nothing Thor can do to Flash faster than what Flash can do to Thor. Yes, Mjlonir is extremely versatile. But Flash himself is much more versatile. And, well, faster. By lightyears.

This thread is way too slanted in Flash's favor. Thor is a powerhouse, but yet he can't destory the planet or even fly above 500 ft? Are you kidding me?

If it was a real fight, I'd give it to the Thor. He's got too much power in him. However, with the restrictions set up in this extremely biased fight, it goes to Flash.

......if he could destroy the planet or go 500 ft past the earth, Id still see Flash winning. Kinetic speed drain, IMP. Im not saying Thor ISNT powerful. Hes just not fast.

I suppose it all depends on how many tricks Thor can perform simultaneously. Can he perform, say, a godblast or something while using Mjolnir to fly/move at light speed? If not, then Thor is toast.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I suppose it all depends on how many tricks Thor can perform simultaneously. Can he perform, say, a godblast or something while using Mjolnir to fly/move at light speed? If not, then Thor is toast.

Perhaps he can do that. But it really doesn't matter. Since he can't actually perform all of these techniques in the picosecond it would take Flash to destroy Thor.

That's all we're trying to say here. We're not taking anything away from Thor. Just showing that there's no way he can execute any attack before he's put down.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Perhaps he can do that. But it really doesn't matter. Since he can't actually perform all of these techniques in the picosecond it would take Flash to destroy Thor.

That's all we're trying to say here. We're not taking anything away from Thor. Just showing that there's no way he can execute any attack before he's put down.

Yup, that's what I was thinking.

Flash for the win.

Based on all that Draco69 posted for Flash abilities, Flash wins.

This fight is lopsided due to the rules, thus flash wins.

However if Thor survived the first hit than he has a chance to win.

The reason i believe that Thor has a chance is because Thor has knocked around speedsters before, Silver Surfer is the first that comes to mind.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
This fight is lopsided due to the rules, thus flash wins.

However if Thor survived the first hit than he has a chance to win.

The reason i believe that Thor has a chance is because Thor has knocked around speedsters before, Silver Surfer is the first that comes to mind.

He did a great job against Mongoose.

Originally posted by batdude123
He did a great job against Mongoose.

No he didn't, but he beat an angry Silver Surfer down.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
No he didn't, but he beat an angry Silver Surfer down.

Warrior madness did. However, Flash would beat him.

Originally posted by batdude123
Warrior madness did. However, Flash would beat him.

Warrior Madness to my knowledge didn't make Thor any more powerful, he was just in warrior madness state of mind.

What makes you think that Flash could beat him? Im sure Flash isn't stronger or more versatile than Silver Surfer and Beta Ray bill combined.

What is Flash's strongest attack.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Warrior Madness to my knowledge didn't make Thor any more powerful, he was just in warrior madness state of mind.

What makes you think that Flash could beat him? Im sure Flash isn't stronger or more versatile than Silver Surfer and Beta Ray bill combined.

What is Flash's strongest attack.

Too many to count.

Speed Steal
Infinite Mass Punch
Speedblitz

Seriously there is a million things the Flash can do. Read Draco's posts on Flash's powers.

Originally posted by batdude123
Too many to count.

Speed Steal
Infinite Mass Punch
Speedblitz

Seriously there is a million things the Flash can do. Read Draco's posts on Flash's powers.

Can he steal the speed of a god a half elder at that?

I don't think speedblitz would work, because Flash will still have the power of a normal human.

I think Thor could take the infinite mass punch.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Can he steal the speed of a god a half elder at that?

I don't think speedblitz would work, because Flash will still have the power of a normal human.

I think Thor could take the infinite mass punch.
The only limit to the speed steal seems to be if the victim's speed is magical in nature. It didn't work on Wonder Woman because her speed comes from the god of speed. Although Thor is a god, his speed doesn't have any mystical origin.

The Speed Force allows Flash to punch people, no matter how durable they are, without hurting himself.

Thor could take an IMP, but it would definitely send him flying past the 500 ft. limit.

Thor's powerful and he's more versatile than Flash, but he just doesn't have any defense against Flash's abilities. Before he can even THINK of using any of his powers, Flash would just run up to him and steal his speed, leaving him helpless and unable to do any thing. Flash's powerset make shim capable of beating most other omic characters.

Is this really a fair fight? All i see is you have two of the top tiers from their respective universes BUT. FLASH is full potential, all best feats, no pis where he loses, no cis where he loses. Thor.. all is regular thor, for all the good and bad that entails... Does this make for a fair fight? I mean.. are you THAT scared of thor?

Flash wins. You stacked his deck. Happy?

P.S. Reg Flash vs Reg. thor, standard showings. I'd still give flash 5.2/10 not much, but i'd still give it to him.

Originally posted by Accel
The only limit to the speed steal seems to be if the victim's speed is magical in nature. It didn't work on Wonder Woman because her speed comes from the god of speed. Although Thor is a god, his speed doesn't have any mystical origin.

The Speed Force allows Flash to punch people, no matter how durable they are, without hurting himself.

Thor could take an IMP, but it would definitely send him flying past the 500 ft. limit.

Thor's powerful and he's more versatile than Flash, but he just doesn't have any defense against Flash's abilities. Before he can even THINK of using any of his powers, Flash would just run up to him and steal his speed, leaving him helpless and unable to do any thing. Flash's powerset make shim capable of beating most other omic characters.

I'm not sure but I think all Thor's abilities are magical in nature. Thor may not be the god of speed, but if Flash wasn't able to take a gods speed he shouldn't be able to take Thors.

The question isn't if Flash would hurt himself, but if he hurt Thor.

Doesn't the infinite mass punch have the force of like a star?

I think Thor would win without the restrictions in this fight, but even with him I think he has a chance.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I'm not sure but I think all Thor's abilities are magical in nature. Thor may not be the god of speed, but if Flash wasn't able to take a gods speed he shouldn't be able to take Thors.

The question isn't if Flash would hurt himself, but if he hurt Thor.

Doesn't the infinite mass punch have the force of like a star?

I think Thor would win without the restrictions in this fight, but even with him I think he has a chance.

The "Infinite Mass Punches" have the same mass as an exploding star I believe.

Originally posted by batdude123
The "Infinite Mass Punches" have the same mass as an exploding star I believe.

Infinite mass punches is just a play on the basic laws of physics. Every top level superhero can think and move faster than the speed of light. In other words, they can all strike using the infinite mass principle and, in fact, with far greater energy. This is why Thor has thrown the hammer at many times the speed of light and literally throw someone out of the solar system. The energy output of top class super heroes is on an entirely different scale compared to Flash. Gladiator, Thanos, Silver Surfer, Superman, Orion, Shazam etc .... Compared to Flash they are all gods.

Originally posted by Draco69
Absolutely no PIS/CIS. Flash is at his MAXIMUM potential and Thor is at his normal power levels.

The Flash is absolutely bloodlusted and is more than willing to kill no matter what it takes.

Thor is the same. They will utilize their powers to the fullest.

Flash has an extra stake in it. If he loses, his wife and kids will under go the "Hostel" treatment to be tortured horribly for the rest of eternity.

They fight on a planet that has completely even plane. Nothing but smooth concrete. Nothing else is on the planet. No gophers, no rocks, no boulders. NOTHING.

They have no basic knowledge of each other.

They cannot get outside help from others (i.e. Odin or the JLA)

They stand 20 feet apart from each other.

They are not allowed to leave the planet at all via teleportation, time-traveling, dimensional travel, etc.

Thor is not allowed to reach escape velocity to escape the planet's atmosphere. The maximum height he is allowed to achieve is 500 feet in the air. If passes this line, he automatically loses.

If a competitor destroys the planet to such a level where it becomes unihabitable, than the said competitor automatically loses. (i.e. planetbuster).

They are not allowed to draw power from outside energy/magic/etc. sources. Flash is only allowed the Speed Force while Thor is allowed whatever energies he holds in his hammer.

Debate. why are you trying to make this a onesided fight? you took away alot of ways thor could win do you hate thor or something.

Originally posted by grey fox
Spite-Thread. yup i hate stupid fanboys why o why do fools make threads like this.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Can he steal the speed of a god a half elder at that?

I don't think speedblitz would work, because Flash will still have the power of a normal human.

I think Thor could take the infinite mass punch.

Why not? He hasn't been shown to not be able to steal his speed, so there's no reason why Flash couldn't do it.

The speedblitz would definitely work. The faster he goes, the more powerful his attack is. It's not like he's hitting you with a normal punch at 100000000 mph. The speedforce keeps him from breaking bones when hitting something at that speed. Which also makes his punches exponentially more powerful the faster he goes.

And no. Even one infinite mass punch would definitely put Thor down, at the least for several minutes. And Flash can perform multiple IMPs at blazing speed. He just pretty much only does one cuz that's all he ever needs. No opponent of his needed a second one. Zum comes to mind...

See!? Everybody was saying this thread was lopsided..but it reached 5 pages did it not?!

Originally posted by mighty adam
yup i hate stupid fanboys why o why do fools make threads like this.

Now you're just being bitter.

Even without the restrictions, Flash still wins this almost every time. Thor has absolutely no chance to react anywhere near the same speed that Flash can use to take him out.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Infinite mass punches is just a play on the basic laws of physics. Every top level superhero can think and move faster than the speed of light. In other words, they can all strike using the infinite mass principle and, in fact, with far greater energy. This is why Thor has thrown the hammer at many times the speed of light and literally throw someone out of the solar system. The energy output of top class super heroes is on an entirely different scale compared to Flash. Gladiator, Thanos, Silver Surfer, Superman, Orion, Shazam etc .... Compared to Flash they are all gods. Not quite, not all characters begin to slide into the speedforce after lightspeed, Flash draws upon the power of all kinetic motion. Like he dips hand into a sea of infinite kinetic energy, and then brings a handful of it back with him. WHAM. That's the IMP punch. Flash is the god of speed.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why not? He hasn't been shown to not be able to steal his speed, so there's no reason why Flash couldn't do it.

The speedblitz would definitely work. The faster he goes, the more powerful his attack is. It's not like he's hitting you with a normal punch at 100000000 mph. The speedforce keeps him from breaking bones when hitting something at that speed. Which also makes his punches exponentially more powerful the faster he goes.

And no. Even one infinite mass punch would definitely put Thor down, at the least for several minutes. And Flash can perform multiple IMPs at blazing speed. He just pretty much only does one cuz that's all he ever needs. No opponent of his needed a second one. Zum comes to mind... Its the sheer level of mass he attains moving at lightspeeds that allow him to not break bones.

Originally posted by Draco69
See!? Everybody was saying this thread was lopsided..but it reached 5 pages did it not?!


And the Wonder Woman vs Wolverine thread is 20+ pages long.

I guess that fight is more even than we realized.

Originally posted by Accel
And the Wonder Woman vs Wolverine thread is 20+ pages long.

I guess that fight is more even than we realized.

Well that was because of Wolverine8888...

I would hope this fight is more than we realize.

For heaven's sake, Thor fans! Step up!

I think a good portion of them stepped up and said Flash wins.

The thing is, Flash would take Thor under normal conditions. These stipulations are overkill.

If he survives the first attack he can win, Im sure he'll recognize flash for what he is. Nameing the attacks Thor could beat flash with would take up books, hell a good flick of the finger would kill flash. That damn speed force is dc's ultimate plot device. Im not sure a "infinity" punch or whatever it is would knock Thor unconcious or not, dont know a lot about it. If Thor makes it in the air I believe its game over. Thor does have superhuman reflexes but of course not on flashes level. If flash was a normal speedster I wouldent worry about it, he could punch thor half a million times but at human strength it wouldent have any efffect. To be totally honest I dont know a lot of what the speed force lets flash do(Ive heard crazy things) So Im not sure, I stick to my original statement though, all Thor needs is one shot, just one. Dont say it would never happen either he can and has been hit, I do know that much.

Oh and the Runner's still faster

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
If he survives the first attack he can win, Im sure he'll recognize flash for what he is. Nameing the attacks Thor could beat flash with would take up books, hell a good flick of the finger would kill flash. That damn speed force is dc's ultimate plot device. Im not sure a "infinity" punch or whatever it is would knock Thor unconcious or not, dont know a lot about it. If Thor makes it in the air I believe its game over. Thor does have superhuman reflexes but of course not on flashes level. If flash was a normal speedster I wouldent worry about it, he could punch thor half a million times but at human strength it wouldent have any efffect. To be totally honest I dont know a lot of what the speed force lets flash do(Ive heard crazy things) So Im not sure, I stick to my original statement though, all Thor needs is one shot, just one. Dont say it would never happen either he can and has been hit, I do know that much.

I really do mean this in the niceest way, don't bite my head off or anything...but Thor really would never get a hit on Flash. Yes, he's been hit before, but that's a major plot device for the comics. In this hypothetical thread, these two are fighting at their best. Meaning Flash won't be hit by anyone slower than him unless he's just not paying attention.

One flick from Thor wouldn't win it either. The faster Flash goes, the higher his durability becomes. Don't get me wrong and confusing his increased durability with that of say, Superman. But it is high. But really, it's futile anyway. Thor won't land a blow on Flash.

In fact, by the time the neurons even begin to start to fire in Thor's brain to send the rest of his body the message, Flash could have already killed/KOed him dozens of times. That's just how fast he is. Thor's reaction speed will not allow him any time whatsoever to get a hit off. Sorry, man.

And you should really do some research on Flash's infinte mass punch. It puts some high-levelers to shame. Only one completely KOed a white martian, and one of them could probably take out Thor (being pretty much a martian Superman, afterall).

Flash has WAY too many options in this fight. Even without the restrictions, Flash would win this fight everytime.

And sure, the Runner is faster. But that's neither here nor there really.

You dont think that if Thor was in the air he couldent have a chance at winning? I know very well that Thor cant match flash on the ground, thats why I stated if he can get into the air. Thats what I was meaning anyway. Yes I know it would be hard to get there. Dont worry about making me mad or anything, It dosnt bother me at all if someone disagrees with me on something like this, its all good.lol

Yeah, the speedforce is a shameless plot device. However, it does allow flash to beat Thor. The problem lies in the fact that one's mass increases towards infinity once approaching the speed of light. Thor would be taking punches with TREMENDOUS force behind them. The speedforce apparantly makes Flash more durable, so that he can cope with the increase. Ridiculous as it may be, it's really enough to beat Thor at least temporarily.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yeah, the speedforce is a shameless plot device. However, it does allow flash to beat Thor. The problem lies in the fact that one's mass increases towards infinity once approaching the speed of light. Thor would be taking punches with TREMENDOUS force behind them. The speedforce apparantly makes Flash more durable, so that he can cope with the increase. Ridiculous as it may be, it's really enough to beat Thor at least temporarily.
I know, Im a big Thor fan but common sense has to come in somewhere.(I wont debate a mute point) I havent said Thor could win at all in a direct contact fight, he would have to be in the air.

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
You dont think that if Thor was in the air he couldent have a chance at winning? I know very well that Thor cant match flash on the ground, thats why I stated if he can get into the air. Thats what I was meaning anyway. Yes I know it would be hard to get there. Dont worry about making me mad or anything, It dosnt bother me at all if someone disagrees with me on something like this, its all good.lol

Alright, cool. That's good to know.

In this fight, they would both start on the ground (unless the thread-starter states otherwise from the beginning), otherwise that would be a form of prep on Thor's part. That, and Thor can really levitate. He can only fly distances by throwing Mjlonir and holding on to it.

And even if he was already in the air (let's just say), Flash can fly and has done so before. It's just not preferred by him. He flaps his arms insanely fast, propelling him through the air. In fact, in certain situations, he can run on air or even in a vaccum.

Flash could also steal Thor's kinetic energy, making him drop like a rock.

Or, he could blast Thor with arm-generated hurricane winds, knocking him down to the ground. Entirely possible.

Thing is, Flash has way too many ways to beat Thor.

I understand Im just saying this is a much different fight in the air. Thor could blanket the atmosphere with electrical storms, drop the temp to minus(whatever degrees) I doubt that flash can "fly" as fast as he can run. I also doubt that he could knock Thor from the air with hurricane force winds. Thor does fly in that type of atmosphere frequently. Also dosnt Thor levitate by magic, I dont think the speed force can take that away. In the air magic is all he needs.

Now, the question is... who would win, Rune King Thor or Flash?

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Now, the question is... who would win, Rune King Thor or Flash?

What are all of RKT's attributes? In as much detail as possible, please. I'm just curious. Don't try and exaggerate either.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
What are all of RKT's attributes? In as much detail as possible, please. I'm just curious. Don't try and exaggerate either.
Well like all skyfathers he travels and moves at warp speed
with the knowledge of the runes he was able to pawn a skyfather by whispering,
He has the power to take a skyfathers soul so a mortal will be no trouble.
He has full adopted the power of the odin force
He was said to be beyond the contraints of fate and Destiny
He defeated the Gods of the asgardian Gods. ( not compleltey sure but they were mentoned as celestials but this is probably only hyperbole)
All of is previous powers as regular thor are extremely increased which means powers over the elements, and time are under his control. Matter manipulation also

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
I understand Im just saying this is a much different fight in the air. Thor could blanket the atmosphere with electrical storms, drop the temp to minus(whatever degrees) I doubt that flash can "fly" as fast as he can run. I also doubt that he could knock Thor from the air with hurricane force winds. Thor does fly in that type of atmosphere frequently. Also dosnt Thor levitate by magic, I dont think the speed force can take that away. In the air magic is all he needs.

Actually Flash can fly as fast as he runs. However he just doesn't want to for some reason. Something to do with fear of heights....

Jesse Quick is the only Speedster who actually chooses to fly.

A better thread might have been who the Flash can not beat. He can fly, time travel, and do anything right? How about we just retire him and put him second on the unbeatable list behind Batman. Sound good?

Originally posted by Cubicks
A better thread might have who the Flash can not beat. He can fly, time travel, and do anything right? How about we just retire him and put him second on the unbeatable list behind Batman. Sound good?

Sorry. Supergirl has THAT top spot.

Stupid Jeph Loeb...

Originally posted by Draco69
Sorry. Supergirl has THAT top spot.

Stupid Jeph Loeb...

Uh no, Batman can beat anybody! Duh!

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Well like all skyfathers he travels and moves at warp speed
with the knowledge of the runes he was able to pawn a skyfather by whispering,
He has the power to take a skyfathers soul so a mortal will be no trouble.
He has full adopted the power of the odin force
He was said to be beyond the contraints of fate and Destiny
He defeated the Gods of the asgardian Gods. ( not compleltey sure but they were mentoned as celestials but this is probably only hyperbole)
All of is previous powers as regular thor are extremely increased which means powers over the elements, and time are under his control. Matter manipulation also

Ah, sounds like a real challenge then. I'd like to see it take place. I'm actually unsure at the moment. I've seen Flash do some ridiculous things.

One for example, will always stay with me. He's actually beaten INSTANTANEOUS TRAVEL in a race. That's how fast he is.

I think a very even match-up would be RTK and Flash at his maximum.

Originally posted by Cubicks
Uh no, Batman can beat anybody! Duh!

Supergirl beat the Outsiders...even when she was wearing kryptonite gauntlets....

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah, sounds like a real challenge then. I'd like to see it take place. I'm actually unsure at the moment. I've seen Flash do some ridiculous things.

One for example, will always stay with me. He's actually beaten INSTANTANEOUS TRAVEL in a race. That's how fast he is.
I think a very even match-up would be RTK and Flash at his maximum. No trust me it woundn't, I just put that out put it would be a curbstomp to the extreme on Thors part. Even if WW, Superman, and GL kyle got involved they would still be stomped. Flash is strong but he is by no means a skyfather. Do a little checking on skyfathers. Flash couldn't handle the silver surfer let alone a skyfather.

Originally posted by Draco69
Supergirl beat the Outsiders...even when she was wearing kryptonite gauntlets....

You don't get it do you, Batman beats everybody regardless. That is just the way things go. I was resistant to it for a while too but, have since recognized the fact that he is just unbeatable. Read the forums, with prep he owns all.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yeah, the speedforce is a shameless plot device. However, it does allow flash to beat Thor. The problem lies in the fact that one's mass increases towards infinity once approaching the speed of light. Thor would be taking punches with TREMENDOUS force behind them. The speedforce apparantly makes Flash more durable, so that he can cope with the increase. Ridiculous as it may be, it's really enough to beat Thor at least temporarily.

No it's not. The same laws of physics that apply to the flash apply to all characters. Thor and every other character in that power class can strike with speedforce. They do it all the time. They are survive it all the time with no problems. They can all react faster than the speed of light, so Flash would not even be able to hit, say Thor, the Surfer, Hulk, Thanos, Superman, Firelord, Gladiator, Darkseid, Orion, etc.... before he himself is struck with enough kinetic energy to instantly disperse his atoms.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
No it's not. The same laws of physics that apply to the flash apply to all characters. Thor and every other character in that power class can strike with speedforce. They do it all the time. They are survive it all the time with no problems. They can all react faster than the speed of light, so Flash would not even be able to hit, say Thor, the Surfer, Hulk, Thanos, Superman, Firelord, Gladiator, Darkseid, Orion, etc.... before he himself is struck with enough kinetic energy to instantly disperse his atoms.


The Hulk can move at light speed?

But seriously, they don't. When I say speed force, I actually mean Speedforce. The Speedforce apparantly grants Flash an enourmous amount of powers and abilities. He's still not as versatile as Thor, but his abilities are a hell of a lot more practical in combat, safe, perhaps, when Thor is flying.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah, sounds like a real challenge then. I'd like to see it take place. I'm actually unsure at the moment. I've seen Flash do some ridiculous things.

One for example, will always stay with me. He's actually beaten INSTANTANEOUS TRAVEL in a race. That's how fast he is.

I think a very even match-up would be RTK and Flash at his maximum.

Know that wouldn't be a good fight. It was stated that RTK knew the outcome to every moment in history even before it happened, thus gaining the true knowledge of his peoples fate. Thor would know what Flash was going to do before even Flash knew.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Well like all skyfathers he travels and moves at ... extremely increased which means powers over the elements, and time are under his control.

It's important to distinguish between the power to change one's own palce in time, such as many characters can do with and sometimes without mechanical aids, vs the power to actually change time. When Thor turned back time, he fundamentally altered reality.

This kind of feat rivals the kinds of things Odin used to do in the old days of Marvel when gods were gods and Stan Lee passed on his vision of morality through comics.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why not? He hasn't been shown to not be able to steal his speed, so there's no reason why Flash couldn't do it.

The speedblitz would definitely work. The faster he goes, the more powerful his attack is. It's not like he's hitting you with a normal punch at 100000000 mph. The speedforce keeps him from breaking bones when hitting something at that speed. Which also makes his punches exponentially more powerful the faster he goes.

And no. Even one infinite mass punch would definitely put Thor down, at the least for several minutes. And Flash can perform multiple IMPs at blazing speed. He just pretty much only does one cuz that's all he ever needs. No opponent of his needed a second one. Zum comes to mind...

If Flash can't steal one gods power, then why should he be able to steal another's?

I was asking how hard the speed force impacted because Thor has already survived the explosion of a star point blank without any ill effects. I was just think that if one explosion of a star didn't put Thor down than another one shouldn't put him down in one.

Either way Thor loses.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
The Hulk can move at light speed?

He can't run at lightspeed but he can certainly fight at light speed. This is why he is able to fight the gladiator who fights at or above light speed.



The speedforce is an energy boost that allows him to accelerate to incredible speeds. In accelerating to those speeds the laws of physics enable the infinite mass punch.



Flash is a lot slower in combat, his reactions are slower, his movements are slower, and he certainly does not have the leverage that comes from being one of the physically strongest beings in the universe. Thor, in addition to being an utter beast in the strength department, can swing his arm faster than the speed of light. The same holds true for anyone that can go toe to toe with Thor. They can all do infinite mass punches because they are not immune to the laws of physics.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
He can't run at lightspeed but he can certainly fight at light speed. This is why he is able to fight the gladiator who fights at or above light speed.



The speedforce is an energy boost that allows him to accelerate to incredible speeds. In accelerating to those speeds the laws of physics enable the infinite mass punch.



Flash is a lot slower in combat, his reactions are slower, his movements are slower, and he certainly does not have the leverage that comes from being one of the physically strongest beings in the universe. Thor, in addition to being an utter beast in the strength department, can swing his arm faster than the speed of light. The same holds true for anyone that can go toe to toe with Thor. They can all do infinite mass punches because they are not immune to the laws of physics.

I can't comment on the rest of your post but I can say that Thor is faster than the speed of light, not that it matters.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
No trust me it woundn't, I just put that out put it would be a curbstomp to the extreme on Thors part. Even if WW, Superman, and GL kyle got involved they would still be stomped. Flash is strong but he is by no means a skyfather. Do a little checking on skyfathers. Flash couldn't handle the silver surfer let alone a skyfather.

If he's as powerful as you say, how is it even exciting at all? What can beat RTK?

Even still, I believe it would be a good, long fight. I've seen Flash do some outstandingly ridiculous things before.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If he's as powerful as you say, how is it even exciting at all? What can beat RTK?

Even still, I believe it would be a good, long fight. I've seen Flash do some outstandingly ridiculous things before.

Imo It wouldn't be good, and it wouldn't be a long fight.