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who wins this battle?

what cable?

digital cable maybe? i prefer satellite

Nate Summers

i think he meant how poerfeul cable? the one with the techno virus would be destroyed, if its god-like cable then he betas surfer, mind-rape rings a bell?

Supes wins. EASILY

It took a Telepath (Possibly Maxwell lord , I'm not too sure) years to be able to control Superman.

Cable isn't going to be Mind-raping anyone.....

He gets his head smashed off at the speed of light.




Can anyone say pulp ?

Originally posted by Loot
i think he meant how poerfeul cable? the one with the techno virus would be destroyed, if its god-like cable then he betas surfer, mind-rape rings a bell?

Beats Surfer? I don't think we read the same comic.

Surfer was almost unfazed by God-Like Cable. Superman is gonna treat Cable like a bad puppy that went on the carpet, and spank him.

Superman would win this.

A) His mind is terrifically difficult to break into.

and B) He's just too damn fast and strong.

He would take Cable head off with a super-speed flick.

Originally posted by Tron
Beats Surfer? I don't think we read the same comic.

i meant he beat super, man i got stop drinking

Originally posted by grey fox
Supes wins. EASILY

It took a Telepath (Possibly Maxwell lord , I'm not too sure) years to be able to control Superman.

Cable isn't going to be Mind-raping anyone.....

He gets his head smashed off at the speed of light.




Can anyone say pulp ?

well, that depends on the writes (same BS as always) superman have been previosly mind raped by telepaths in comics, he even got mind controled by poisen ivy so much for the great resistan mind of superman

oh and i almost forgot: pulp

Originally posted by Loot
well, that depends on the writes (same BS as always) superman have been previosly mind raped by telepaths in comics, he even got mind controled by poisen ivy so much for the great resistan mind of superman

oh and i almost forgot: pulp Poison Ivy's isnt telepathy. Try again.

I'd go with Superman. As others have mentioned, he has the strength, speed, and durability advantage her plus a very high resistance to telepathy not to mentioned T-vo. What I don't get about Cable is that he gets powered up for a few issues, holds up an island, managest to get a few shots in on the Surfer (it really wasn't that impressive), and suddenly some people think he is a match for the top tier characters in Marvel and DC.

Superman (and the Surfer) consistantly take on and defeat foes with much greater and more numerous feats than "God-like" Cable has. Superman 9 or 10/10.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I'd go with Superman. As others have mentioned, he has the strength, speed, and durability advantage her plus a very high resistance to telepathy not to mentioned T-vo. What I don't get about Cable is that he gets powered up for a few issues, holds up an island, managest to get a few shots in on the Surfer (it really wasn't that impressive), and suddenly some people think he is a match for the top tier characters in Marvel and DC.

Superman (and the Surfer) consistantly take on and defeat foes with much greater and more numerous feats than "God-like" Cable has. Superman 9 or 10/10.

Originally posted by thisredbox
digital cable maybe? i prefer satellite


This has to be the best comment for this thread though

Seriously Nathan Summers vs Superman.......................uh yeah give Summers 5 minutes prep and an "unlimited" power source (as he was burning up his powers fighting SS) then I think Cable could take it 4/10 fairly easily.

god-like cable wins. u guys dont understand the complexities of telekinetics. superman at best would have to do so much moving for cable can move anything, anyone, any thought = at light speed.

whereas sm only can move his body and what he carries.

Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
god-like cable wins. u guys dont understand the complexities of telekinetics. superman at best would have to do so much moving for cable can move anything, anyone, any thought = at light speed.


Please show me where thought=light speed. I would certainly like to think I am fairly creative and can think of possibilities with TK but since its not around in real life I don't think anyone can "understand the complexities" unless you know something I don't.

Lets figure this out quickly, if superman travels faster then light to hit Cable, Cable will not be able to see him because SM is traveling faster then the light being sent to Cable's eye and HUMAN mind.

Also Cable has human durability without his TK, he was burning out in his fight with SS, he couldn't give much more. He is human and that is where his weakness against Superman is EASILY exploited.

Originally posted by TheKahn
managest to get a few shots in on the Surfer (it really wasn't that impressive)

Originally posted by Soleran
Also Cable has human durability without his TK, he was burning out in his fight with SS, he couldn't give much more. He is human and that is where his weakness against Superman is EASILY exploited.


He wasn't just fighting Surfer.....

In his "god like" state he also had Deadpools healing factor.

Chew on that.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
He wasn't just fighting Surfer.....

In his "god like" state he also had Deadpools healing factor.

Chew on that.

Might've had Deadpool's healing factor, however he isn't immortal like him.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
He wasn't just fighting Surfer.....

In his "god like" state he also had Deadpools healing factor.

Chew on that.

ok and last time I checked deadpool is immortal, Cable isn't. Deadpool can still be incapacitated ie TK hole in his head. Superman could incinerate Cable faster then anything Cable is capable of doing in response.

So in response, there wasn't enough for me to chew on so I decided to leave that scrap of tidbit for you to swallow

Originally posted by thisredbox
digital cable maybe? i prefer satellite

Originally posted by Soleran
This has to be the best comment for this thread though

Seriously Nathan Summers vs Superman.......................uh yeah give Summers 5 minutes prep and an "unlimited" power source (as he was burning up his powers fighting SS) then I think Cable could take it 4/10 fairly easily.

yes, that was the best post but i was joking, hopefully that obvious to everyone...seriously though, id have to go with supes on this 8/10, giving cable the benefit of the doubt that the writers wont give supes some anti-cable power

Originally posted by Soleran
ok and last time I checked deadpool is immortal, Cable isn't. Deadpool can still be incapacitated ie TK hole in his head. Superman could incinerate Cable faster then anything Cable is capable of doing in response.




His was as fast as his.

Cable can also step in between time and keep Superman's heat vision and freeze breath in check with TK.

Originally posted by batdude123
Might've had Deadpool's healing factor, however he isn't immortal like him.


Really though, having the same speed of Deadpool's healing would make him that way even though he didn't have the curse put on him.

Deadpool and Cable's whole body would get connected after one did a body slide and they had to rip themselves in half everytime.

Cable healed just as fast

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W


His was as fast as his.

Cable can also step in between time and keep Superman's heat vision and freeze breath in check with TK.

Once again I ask you, what are Cable's reaction times? Are they as fast as the Speed of Light, hell are they even half as fast as light speed? He can teleport and use TK all day long, right at the speed of human thought, what about 30 meters a second I believe.

Originally posted by Soleran
Once again I ask you, what are Cable's reaction times? Are they as fast as the Speed of Light, hell are they even half as fast as light speed? He can teleport and use TK all day long, right at the speed of human thought, what about 30 meters a second I believe.


...and as we know Supes FAR outspeeds the speed of light.


Oh and for all you 'Cable Fans' who think deadpools healing Factor means anything . It doesn't. Heat cauterises a wound. I can think of nothing hotter then Supes heat vision (Sans a big-bang)

Originally posted by Soleran
Once again I ask you, what are Cable's reaction times? Are they as fast as the Speed of Light, hell are they even half as fast as light speed? He can teleport and use TK all day long, right at the speed of human thought, what about 30 meters a second I believe.

Yep, like most Marvel characters Cable is far to slow to match up with Superman under the rules of this forum.

hey man, nice sig!

Originally posted by leonidas
hey man, nice sig!

Damn right! pimp

Originally posted by Soleran
Once again I ask you, what are Cable's reaction times? Are they as fast as the Speed of Light, hell are they even half as fast as light speed? He can teleport and use TK all day long, right at the speed of human thought, what about 30 meters a second I believe.


Superman doesn't go light speed right off the bat...

Once again Cable can spot and has fought things going at light speed and beyond.

Cable can also step inbetween moments.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t399169.html

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Superman doesn't go light speed right off the bat...

Once again Cable can spot and has fought things going at light speed and beyond.

Cable can also step inbetween moments.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t399169.html

And once again he can.

Hell DS couldn't dodge Heat vision and you expect Cable to ?

Originally posted by grey fox
And once again he can.

Hell DS couldn't dodge Heat vision and you expect Cable to ?
When has DS shown SUper SPeed?

Originally posted by grey fox
And once again he can.

Hell DS couldn't dodge Heat vision and you expect Cable to ?


He can hold it with TK.

Even if Superman does get it off its not going through his shield.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
He can hold it with TK.

Even if Superman does get it off its not going through his shield.
he said dodge........ not block

Originally posted by kgkg
he said dodge........ not block



My point was, if he can do that he wouldn't need to.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
My point was, if he can do that he wouldn't need to. I agree am not arguing

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Superman doesn't go light speed right off the bat...

Once again Cable can spot and has fought things going at light speed and beyond.

Cable can also step inbetween moments.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t399169.html

Care to provide specific scans to back up your arguments? When exactly has it been shown that Cable is fighting an opponent who is traveling at light speed? The only thing I could find close in the respect thread was his fight with Lightmaster and nowhere in the scans does it mention or suggest that Lightmaster is going anywhere near the speed of light.

And Superman doesn't have to travel exactly the speed of light. At only a very small fraction of the speed of light he would be imperceptible to Cable or anyone with basically human physiology.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Care to provide specific scans to back up your arguments? When exactly has it been shown that Cable is fighting an opponent who is traveling at light speed? The only thing I could find close in the respect thread was his fight with Lightmaster and nowhere in the scans does it mention or suggest that Lightmaster is going anywhere near the speed of light.

And Superman doesn't have to travel exactly the speed of light. At only a very small fraction of the speed of light he would be imperceptible to Cable or anyone with basically human physiology.


LOL

Thats why I put that link up thats in your quote.

In the Cable respect thread I started hes do everything I'm saying.

In that he also beat X-Man who at the point he was at in power would be considered omega level.

He also beat the Hulk and Death Wolverine(who almost killed Hulk) all in his regular state.

Originally posted by kgkg
When has DS shown SUper SPeed?

He kicked Kid flash for one , and his speed is more associated with Super reflexes , ergo he should have been able to crouch or dodge it easily enough.



Bullshit , now your being a fanboy. Show me ONE instance when Cable has held back energy with his TK.

Originally posted by grey fox
Bullshit , now your being a fanboy. Show me ONE instance when Cable has held back energy with his TK.




http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9384/cd005213ix.jpg


He also held back cyclops' optic blast.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
LOL

Thats why I put that link up thats in your quote.

That's why I looked though the respect thread and couldn't find anything to support the claims you are making. Again I ask, were is there any proof that Cable can perceive objects traveling at light speed, not to mention actually being able to fight opponents at that speed?

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

In the Cable respect thread I started hes do everything I'm saying.

Then I guess it wouldn't be too much trouble for you to actually go get the scans that would support your claims and post them here.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

In that he also beat X-Man who at the point he was at in power would be considered omega level.

He also beat the Hulk and Death Wolverine(who almost killed Hulk) all in his regular state.

None of that is relevant as Superman would have killed all of them in his "regular state" as well and a damn site quicker I might add.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9384/cd005213ix.jpg


He also held back cyclops' optic blast.

A. That isn't holding it in place , thats holding it back with a force field . I thought you meant hold it in place.

B . You can noticeably see the shield cracking up as little energy rays are siphoning through. Not that the shield honestly matters considering Supes could simply change the intensity so it slips through the shield.

Originally posted by TheKahn
That's why I looked though the respect thread and couldn't find anything to support the claims you are making. Again I ask, were is there any proof that Cable can perceive objects traveling at light speed, not to mention actually being able to fight opponents at that speed?

Here he knew the Surfer was coming before he got there.

Are you going to argue Surfer doesn't fight/move at that speed on the board?
http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpg

Did you read the Lightmaster scans?
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/5489/cd005165kj.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/7871/cd005193ge.jpg





Originally posted by TheKahn
None of that is relevant as Superman would have killed all of them in his "regular state" as well and a damn site quicker I might add.

Yes it is, because Cable fighting and beating them is like what Superman fights.

Superman would have a real hard time beating X-Man like that and Cable did it in his lowest power set.

Originally posted by grey fox
A. That isn't holding it in place , thats holding it back with a force field . I thought you meant hold it in place.

B . You can noticeably see the shield cracking up as little energy rays are siphoning through. Not that the shield honestly matters considering Supes could simply change the intensity so it slips through the shield.


1)I was talking about holding it in his eyes before it comes out.

2)He started to let it get through so he could throw him in this

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4867/cd005220wg.jpg

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9384/cd005213ix.jpg


He also held back cyclops' optic blast.

That's nice but Superman's bio-aura has taken far more than that.

Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/850/0822346hj.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3932/08222005121910pm8yp.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6301/089054127na.jpg

Here is supes surviving an island destroying nuke at ground zero WHILE laying in kryptonite AND weakened from fighting multiple enemies for days. He comes out unfazed.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke2.jpg

Here's Superman actually escaping a double black hole, this proves his strength, speed, and durability.
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg


And just a few speed feats:

Here's Superman taking Darksied to the sun in seconds. It takes light 8 minutes to get from Earth to the Sun.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5590/darksiedbeaten7sq.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6573/darksiedbeaten25ph.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/192/supermanbatman13pg08097cu.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/supermanbatman13pg109es.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5647/supermanbatman13pg114cl.jpg

Superman heres GL (Kyle) about a million miles away from Earth in bed, and he gets there in seconds.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1954/08222005054558pm3oy.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2785/08222005054722pm5jq.jpg

Superman going faster than the speed of light
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6518/supermanmoonbust4do1vn.th.jpg

Lois asks Superman for Champagne from another contry, and by the time she finishes her short sentence, Supes already got it, and has been waiting for a while.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg



I just have a very hard time seeing exactly what Cable is going to do to actually hurt Superman if he ever manages to catch him.



All scans and descrptions of feats from the Superman respect thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371890&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
1)I was talking about holding it in his eyes before it comes out.

2)He started to let it get through so he could throw him in this

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4867/cd005220wg.jpg

The shield doesn't matter. Supes just changes the frequency of his heat vision ever so slightly and suddenly it's going through the shield and then Cables skull (In that order)

Friggin mutie....

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Here he knew the Surfer was coming before he got there.

Are you going to argue Surfer doesn't fight/move at that speed on the board?

So humor me here, if Surfer wanted Cable dead is it fair to believe with his power cosmic he doesn't have to be on Earth to use this power?




X-man's fight holds no relevance to this what so ever. This isn't a fight with an Amped up human with TP and TK, this is a Kryptonian who if he wanted to simply sit in the atmosphere and Melt Cable from the Atmosphere........................Once again Cable acknowledging Surfer's presence isn't Cable REACTING ie taking action its him realizing he's there.

What kind of Durability does Cable have without his TK shields?

Originally posted by TheKahn
That's nice but Superman's bio-aura has taken far more than that.

Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/850/0822346hj.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3932/08222005121910pm8yp.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6301/089054127na.jpg

Here is supes surviving an island destroying nuke at ground zero WHILE laying in kryptonite AND weakened from fighting multiple enemies for days. He comes out unfazed.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke2.jpg

Here's Superman actually escaping a double black hole, this proves his strength, speed, and durability.
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg


And just a few speed feats:

Here's Superman taking Darksied to the sun in seconds. It takes light 8 minutes to get from Earth to the Sun.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5590/darksiedbeaten7sq.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6573/darksiedbeaten25ph.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/192/supermanbatman13pg08097cu.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/supermanbatman13pg109es.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5647/supermanbatman13pg114cl.jpg

Superman heres GL (Kyle) about a million miles away from Earth in bed, and he gets there in seconds.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1954/08222005054558pm3oy.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2785/08222005054722pm5jq.jpg

Superman going faster than the speed of light
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6518/supermanmoonbust4do1vn.th.jpg

Lois asks Superman for Champagne from another contry, and by the time she finishes her short sentence, Supes already got it, and has been waiting for a while.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg



I just have a very hard time seeing exactly what Cable is going to do to actually hurt Superman if he ever manages to catch him.



All scans and descrptions of feats from the Superman respect thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371890&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1


I know Supes level of durability and Speed.

You didn't need to show that.

Cable can also shield himself with TK to do those feats.

Hes also fought people voing light speed and faster, which I showed.

I also know that Maxwell Lord took years to mind control him, but Cable in that state and in his lowest state trumps that by a real lot.

Cable trump Professor X in telepathy a real lot.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Here he knew the Surfer was coming before he got there.

Are you going to argue Surfer doesn't fight/move at that speed on the board?
http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpg


doh

The Surfer is able to travel at light speed but there is not a great deal of actual evidence to show that he fights at that speed. As for your scan, you should actually read what they said. They could hear the Surfer coming, meaning that he wasn't even traveling faster the speed of sound. eer


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Did you read the Lightmaster scans?
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/5489/cd005165kj.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/7871/cd005193ge.jpg



Yes, I did read them and there isn't any actual evidence that Lightmaster fights at light speed. At most there is only an allusion by Cable that he can travel at that speed. Travel speed and combat speed are two very different things.



Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Yes it is, because Cable fighting and beating them is like what Superman fights.



I have no idea what this is suppose to mean. Just because Cable manages to beat someone that Superman could also beat, then that means Cable and Superman are on the same level?


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Superman would have a real hard time beating X-Man like that and Cable did it in his lowest power set.



Sure pal. Keep telling yourself that. Superman has only been taking out cosmic level bad villains for decades.

Originally posted by grey fox
The shield doesn't matter. Supes just changes the frequency of his heat vision ever so slightly and suddenly it's going through the shield and then Cables skull (In that order)

Friggin mutie....





Yes it does, his shield blocks every part not just a specific part.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W


Yes it does, his shield blocks every part not just a specific part.

No , you seem to misunderstand. I'm stating that Superman shall be AIMING for Cables skull. Not that the shield only protects his head....

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I know Supes level of durability and Speed.

You didn't need to show that.

That is what you do in a debate. You actually show scans that demonstrate that a character is capable of doing what you are claiming they can.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Cable can also shield himself with TK to do those feats.

See? No scans, just a baseless argument that Cable can take a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts or he can travel at the speed of light. If he can do that, they post a scan actually showing him do it.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

That is what you do in a debate. You actually show scans that demonstrate that a character is capable

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Hes also fought people voing light speed and faster, which I showed.
What you showed was him fighting, at a seemingly normal speed, a character who may be capable of traveling at light speed. Nothing more.

Now if Cable is truly capable of this, then he must have this more than once. Why don't you post another instance of him taking on an opponent at light speed?

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

I also know that Maxwell Lord took years to mind control him, but Cable in that state and in his lowest state trumps that by a real lot.

Cable trump Professor X in telepathy a real lot.

I don't know if you are just kidding or if you actually believe that simply because you say something is true then that opinion is concrete fact. How exactly do you know that Cable is a greater telepath than Lord? Lord has taken over thousands of minds at once but it took a years for him to do the same to Superman because of Superman's mental defenses and will power. Thus it isn't a comment on Lord's power but Superman's defenses.

Originally posted by TheKahn
doh

The Surfer is able to travel at light speed but there is not a great deal of actual evidence to show that he fights at that speed. As for your scan, you should actually read what they said. They could hear the Surfer coming, meaning that he wasn't even traveling faster the speed of sound. eer

Bah

He still fought lightmaster when he was going light speed.






Originally posted by TheKahn
doh Yes, I did read them and there isn't any actual evidence that Lightmaster fights at light speed. At most there is only an allusion by Cable that he can travel at that speed. Travel speed and combat speed are two very different things.

He thinks, moves and reacts at light speed...

Hes made of light.

They did that mathmatics at how fast it would take for something moving a light speed to come back to where they were from the moon, and he was back before that.

Why would he be holding back and not fight at his max?

Superman doesn't go light speed off the bat.

Lightmaster someone whos MADE of light does.


Originally posted by TheKahn
I have no idea what this is suppose to mean. Just because Cable manages to beat someone that Superman could also beat, then that means Cable and Superman are on the same level?

I'm saying though Superman would beat Hulk, but he would have a hard time doing that and Cable did it in his lowest state.





Originally posted by TheKahn
Sure pal. Keep telling yourself that. Superman has only been taking out cosmic level bad villains for decades.



Yeah guy, I know that...its nothing new....

Its foolish of you to think Superman wouldn't have a hard time beating X-Man at his omega level state...

Its okay though.

This is actually quite humorous. There is absolutely no way that Cable could even perceive Superman going at those speeds. Cable is a person with human physiology and a person can only think at 30 meters a second. Superman's speed>>>>>>>>>Cable's thinking speed. Cable lacks the necessary requirements to beat Superman. Storm Shadow, all you're "feats" that you are giving us doesn't in anyway prove that he can fight things going at the speed of light, in fact Kahn disproved them all. You are basically fighting a losing battle here.

Superman also goes way faster than the speed of light. WAY faster. In fact, where he took Darkseid the sun in a couple of seconds, was rougly 252X the speed of light. If you can actually prove Cable being able to react at that kind of speed, I give up. Until then, Cable has no real substantial chance of winning. You are being extremely biased here. Just because you are a Cable fan doesn't mean you can't accept when he can lose. It doesn't make you any less of a fan.

I haven't even gone into great depth about Superman's T-Vo either. At the very least, Superman's T-Vo is about as effective as Cable's TP. Superman already confused Eradicator with his T-Vo, and he casted illusions all over the place. He was toying with Eradicator's mind. Eradicator is actually a more powerful version of the Silver Surfer. Please, this is absolutely rediculous to even think that Cable can beat Superman. That's like saying a normal human can beat Supes. I know obviously Cable is MUCH more powerful than a human (duh), but the basic outcome of the fight would be the same. All of Cable's powers are mindbased. When you have a character that can go faster than the speed of thought, not to mention the speed of light, it's not looking very good for the other person.

Cable is good, but he's definitely not this good. Superman has defeated much stronger opponents than Cable before. There wouldn't be a whole lot for old Cable to do here I'm afraid. With that said, Superman would win this confrontation 10/10. If you can actually show me some proof of Cable being able to react to speeds MUCH greater than the speed of light, then I'll reconsider. However, for right now, Supes stomps him HARD.

Originally posted by batdude123
This is actually quite humorous. There is absolutely no way that Cable could even perceive Superman going at those speeds. Cable is a person with human physiology and a person can only think at 30 meters a second. Superman's speed>>>>>>>>>Cable's thinking speed. Cable lacks the necessary requirements to beat Superman. Storm Shadow, all you're "feats" that you are giving us doesn't in anyway prove that he can fight things going at the speed of light, in fact Kahn disproved them all. You are basically fighting a losing battle here.

Superman also goes way faster than the speed of light. WAY faster. In fact, where he took Darkseid the sun in a couple of seconds, was rougly 252X the speed of light. If you can actually prove Cable being able to react at that kind of speed, I give up. Until then, Cable has no real substantial chance of winning. You are being extremely biased here. Just because you are a Cable fan doesn't mean you can't accept when he can lose. It doesn't make you any less of a fan.

I haven't even gone into great depth about Superman's T-Vo either. At the very least, Superman's T-Vo is about as effective as Cable's TP. Superman already confused Eradicator with his T-Vo, and he casted illusions all over the place. He was toying with Eradicator's mind. Eradicator is actually a more powerful version of the Silver Surfer. Please, this is absolutely rediculous to even think that Cable can beat Superman. That's like saying a normal human can beat Supes. I know obviously Cable is MUCH more powerful than a human (duh), but the basic outcome of the fight would be the same. All of Cable's powers are mindbased. When you have a character that can go faster than the speed of thought, not to mention the speed of light, it's not looking very good for the other person.

Cable is good, but he's definitely not this good. Superman has defeated much stronger opponents than Cable before. There wouldn't be a whole lot for old Cable to do here I'm afraid. With that said, Superman would win this confrontation 10/10. If you can actually show me some proof of Cable being able to react to speeds MUCH greater than the speed of light, then I'll reconsider. However, for right now, Supes stomps him HARD.

Hey Storm , would you like your ass wrapped with or without a bow when it gets handed back to you ?

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Bah

He still fought lightmaster when he was going light speed.

And where does it state that exactly? Oh, that's right it doesn't. You are the only one who has suggested that Lightmaster fights at light speed.


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

He thinks, moves and reacts at light speed...

Hes made of light.

They did that mathmatics at how fast it would take for something moving a light speed to come back to where they were from the moon, and he was back before that.

Why would he be holding back and not fight at his max?

Superman doesn't go light speed off the bat.

Lightmaster someone whos MADE of light does.

Again there is a very large difference between traveling at light speed and fighting at light speed. And there isn't any evidence in your scans that Lightmaster was doing the latter. In fact, he actually stooped moving and proceed to talk to Cable which is the only thing that actually allows Cable to get a bead on him. While he was moving at whatever speed he as going, Cable was getting killed.

So if he can move at light speed, he had to slow down just to give Cable a way to beat him which is something Superman wouldn't do.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

I'm saying though Superman would beat Hulk, but he would have a hard time doing that and Cable did it in his lowest state.

They "beat" the Hulk for different reasons. The Hulk is slow enough for Cable to attack and has a degree of vulnerability to telepathy, thus Cable has a chance against him. Superman is so fast that neither Cable or the Hulk could touch him and has damn good defense against telepathy. It's apples to oranges.



Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Yeah guy, I know that...its nothing new....

Its foolish of you to think Superman wouldn't have a hard time beating X-Man at his omega level state...

Its okay though.

He wouldn't have a hard time thanks to the one fact that many people fail to address when matching up DC and Marvel characters. Superman is just too fast.

Originally posted by grey fox
Hey Storm , would you like your ass wrapped with or without a bow when it gets handed back to you ?

Originally posted by TheKahn
That is what you do in a debate. You actually show scans that demonstrate that a character is capable of doing what you are claiming they can.

Really though, who doesn't know Superman can move near and sometimes faster then light speed?



Originally posted by TheKahn
See? No scans, just a baseless argument that Cable can take a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts or he can travel at the speed of light. If he can do that, they post a scan actually showing him do it.

Thats 247 missles they didn't have the exact level of how powerful they were, but I highly doubt SHIELD would go easy on him.

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/4356/cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpg
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He also survived a nuke at ground zero with Tk, but the issue eludes me.

For real, WTF does it matter though?

What the hells Superman going to do to him that would equal out to million nuclear blasts?


Originally posted by TheKahn
What you showed was him fighting, at a seemingly normal speed, a character who may be capable of traveling at light speed. Nothing more.

Whatever ignor it then.......

That'll just make it easy for me to ignor your rebuttal's.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Now if Cable is truly capable of this, then he must have this more than once. Why don't you post another instance of him taking on an opponent at light speed?

Because he was only at that state for a short time.

Heres a fact though; the person who invented Cable wrote that fight.

Thats like trying to argue against something Stan Lee wrote Spider-Man could do.


Originally posted by TheKahn
I don't know if you are just kidding or if you actually believe that simply because you say something is true then that opinion is concrete fact. How exactly do you know that Cable is a greater telepath than Lord? Lord has taken over thousands of minds at once but it took a years for him to do the same to Superman because of Superman's mental defenses and will power. Thus it isn't a comment on Lord's power but Superman's defenses.


Becaues hes more powerful then Professor X at that state and we all know how powerful he is...kinda like we all know Superman can fly.

Do you really think Lord is more powerful then X?

ST0RM SHAD0W=OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by batdude123
This is actually quite humorous. There is absolutely no way that Cable could even perceive Superman going at those speeds. Cable is a person with human physiology and a person can only think at 30 meters a second. Superman's speed>>>>>>>>>Cable's thinking speed. Cable lacks the necessary requirements to beat Superman. Storm Shadow, all you're "feats" that you are giving us doesn't in anyway prove that he can fight things going at the speed of light, in fact Kahn disproved them all. You are basically fighting a losing battle here.

Superman also goes way faster than the speed of light. WAY faster. In fact, where he took Darkseid the sun in a couple of seconds, was rougly 252X the speed of light. If you can actually prove Cable being able to react at that kind of speed, I give up. Until then, Cable has no real substantial chance of winning. You are being extremely biased here. Just because you are a Cable fan doesn't mean you can't accept when he can lose. It doesn't make you any less of a fan.

I haven't even gone into great depth about Superman's T-Vo either. At the very least, Superman's T-Vo is about as effective as Cable's TP. Superman already confused Eradicator with his T-Vo, and he casted illusions all over the place. He was toying with Eradicator's mind. Eradicator is actually a more powerful version of the Silver Surfer. Please, this is absolutely rediculous to even think that Cable can beat Superman. That's like saying a normal human can beat Supes. I know obviously Cable is MUCH more powerful than a human (duh), but the basic outcome of the fight would be the same. All of Cable's powers are mindbased. When you have a character that can go faster than the speed of thought, not to mention the speed of light, it's not looking very good for the other person.

Cable is good, but he's definitely not this good. Superman has defeated much stronger opponents than Cable before. There wouldn't be a whole lot for old Cable to do here I'm afraid. With that said, Superman would win this confrontation 10/10. If you can actually show me some proof of Cable being able to react to speeds MUCH greater than the speed of light, then I'll reconsider. However, for right now, Supes stomps him HARD.

ST0RM, you want to counter this???

Originally posted by batdude123
This is actually quite humorous. There is absolutely no way that Cable could even perceive Superman going at those speeds. Cable is a person with human physiology and a person can only think at 30 meters a second. Superman's speed>>>>>>>>>Cable's thinking speed. Cable lacks the necessary requirements to beat Superman. Storm Shadow, all you're "feats" that you are giving us doesn't in anyway prove that he can fight things going at the speed of light, in fact Kahn disproved them all. You are basically fighting a losing battle here.




He fought Lightmaster when Lightmaster was going at light speed.

They said he was moving at light speed from the moon.

Lightmaster said hes made of light thinks a light speed.

What are you dense, I know you're the goddamn Batdude.

I know its hard for Kahn to come to that conclusion that he was moving at lightspeed(sigh), but really they more then actually SAY he was......

They even do the MATH..

Originally posted by batdude123
Superman also goes way faster than the speed of light. WAY faster. In fact, where he took Darkseid the sun in a couple of seconds, was rougly 252X the speed of light. If you can actually prove Cable being able to react at that kind of speed, I give up.

No bro, he doesn't move faster then light off the bat.

He doesn't even move a light off the bat.

His heat his vision is slower then light.

Flash out ran it.....


Originally posted by batdude123
I haven't even gone into great depth about Superman's T-Vo either. At the very least, Superman's T-Vo is about as effective as Cable's TP. Superman already confused Eradicator with his T-Vo, and he casted illusions all over the place. He was toying with Eradicator's mind. Eradicator is actually a more powerful version of the Silver Surfer. Please, this is absolutely rediculous to even think that Cable can beat Superman. That's like saying a normal human can beat Supes. I know obviously Cable is MUCH more powerful than a human (duh), but the basic outcome of the fight would be the same. All of Cable's powers are mindbased. When you have a character that can go faster than the speed of thought, not to mention the speed of light, it's not looking very good for the other person.


Can you prove that...or atleast show link to where you got that info?

Night guy's...

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Really though, who doesn't know Superman can move near and sometimes faster then light speed?

Actually, I've found a good number of people on this forum are not aware of Superman's top tier speed feats. Regardless, the point of post those scans were two fold. One to demonstrate that if you are going to make a claim and expect people to take it seriously then you need to provide evidence (preferably more than one instance) to support what you are claiming. Two, it served to demonstrate exactly what offensive firepower Cable would have to be capable of producing in order to actually hurt Superman.

Based on what you've proven in this debate (practically nothing), I'm not even sure if Cable could hurt Superman if he was standing still.


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Thats 247 missiles they didn't have the exact level of how powerful they were, but I highly doubt SHIELD would go easy on him.

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/4356/cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpg
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/4356/cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpg

He also survived a nuke at ground zero with Tk, but the issue eludes me.

For real, WTF does it matter though?

What the hells Superman going to do to him that would equal out to million nuclear blasts?

There, that's better. Still Superman's durability feats but that to shame especially considering that there is no evidence that those missiles didn't have conventional (ie non-nuclear) warheads. And Superman has taken a nuke while being exposed to kryptonite, wakened from several fights, and was still able to use his speed to contain the blast.

As for what Superman could do to Cable that would be equal one million nuclear blasts, the answer is simple. All Superman would have to do is accelerate to a fraction of the speed of light and crash into Cable. Force is measured as the multiplication of an objects acceleration and it's mass. As an object approaches the speed of light, one of the effects is that it's mass actually increases to infinity. Thus a near light-speed punch from Superman would impart a force far greater than 1 million nukes.

The question should be what has Cable done to show he could survive that?


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Whatever ignor it then.......

That'll just make it easy for me to ignor your rebuttal's.

I'm not ignoring it, just disputing your interpretation of the fight. But if you can't handle that, then do what you must.


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Because he was only at that state for a short time.

Heres a fact though; the person who invented Cable wrote that fight.

Thats like trying to argue against something Stan Lee wrote Spider-Man could do.

Exactly, he has very few feats and many Cable fans insist on extrapolating those few feats beyond what they really are. For example, regardless of Lightmaster's speed, Cable couldn't and didn't hit him until he slowed down. Now instead of accepting this you demand that this means that Cable now has lightspeed reaction times despite the fact that he has never before or since done anything to suggest that this is true.

And actually I can't see how it matter's who wrote the comic. What is in dispute isn't the feats themselves, but how they are interpreted.



Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Becaues hes more powerful then Professor X at that state and we all know how powerful he is...kinda like we all know Superman can fly.

Do you really think Lord is more powerful then X?

I'm not sure exactly how Professor X, Cable, and Max Lord would compare to each other in telepathic skill. The difference is I don't automatically assume Cable or Chuck is more powerful than Lord, as you do. I'd actually need to see some evidence on all the characters before I could make an informed judgement.

Originally posted by grey fox
Night guy's...



Awwe

Don't go to bed, it getting fun.

Also, since there isn't any other example of Cable using this ability, where exactly in comics does it describe how and where Cable developed the ability to think at light speed? Where has another character or Cable himself commented on this ability?

If the answer is it has never been stated that he as this ability and no one has even commented on the fact that he has it, then what would that tell about this "power" of his?

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W


He fought Lightmaster when Lightmaster was going at light speed.

They said he was moving at light speed from the moon.

Lightmaster said hes made of light thinks a light speed.

What are you dense, I know you're the goddamn Batdude.

I know its hard for Kahn to come to that conclusion that he was moving at lightspeed(sigh), but really they more then actually SAY he was......

They even do the MATH..

Yeah, he has the capability to FLY at the speed of light. However their is no indication whatsoever of Lightmaster moving at lightspeed when he was attacking Cable. In fact, a good indication would be because him and Lightmaster were actually having a conversation in the middle of the match. Superman moves MUCH faster than the speed of light anyway. This feat means jack.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
No bro, he doesn't move faster then light off the bat.

He doesn't even move a light off the bat.

His heat his vision is slower then light.

Flash out ran it.....

Really?? He can't move faster than the speed of light right off the bat??? Yeah, that's exactly why it took him two seconds to fly DS to the sun. It doesn't even really matter because Superman's reaction and thinking speeds are MUCH higher than Cable's. Cable would be like a statue to him. I'm not even saying that Superman's heat vision was faster than light. Where exactly did I say it was??? Exactly, I didn't even bring it up in our conversation. Bottom line, Cable is too slow to do anything to Superman. By the time Cable even formulated a thought, he would've already been KOed by Superman.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Can you prove that...or atleast show link to where you got that info?

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Originally posted by TheKahn
There, that's better. Still Superman's durability feats but that to shame especially considering that there is no evidence that those missiles didn't have conventional (ie non-nuclear) warheads. And Superman has taken a nuke while being exposed to kryptonite, wakened from several fights, and was still able to use his speed to contain the blast.


Still what is Superman going to do that would be the equvilant to that without building up speed at which point he would stop him or teleport away, then attack via telepathy from a far?



Originally posted by TheKahn
As for what Superman could do to Cable that would be equal one million nuclear blasts, the answer is simple. All Superman would have to do is accelerate to a fraction of the speed of light and crash into Cable. Force is measured as the multiplication of an objects acceleration and it's mass. As an object approaches the speed of light, one of the effects is that it's mass actually increases to infinity. Thus a near light-speed punch from Superman would impart a force far greater than 1 million nukes.

Same question.


Originally posted by TheKahn
Exactly, he has very few feats and many Cable fans insist on extrapolating those few feats beyond what they really are. For example, regardless of Lightmaster's speed, Cable couldn't and didn't hit him until he slowed down. Now instead of accepting this you demand that this means that Cable now has lightspeed reaction times despite the fact that he has never before or since done anything to suggest that this is true.

He handled someone moving at light speed someone who is made of light.

They say it........

It may not mater as much if it wasn't the person who invented the character who said that, but when its someone who invented the character that says he can do it....even if it is only one time.



Originally posted by TheKahn
I'm not sure exactly how Professor X, Cable, and Max Lord would compare to each other in telepathic skill. The difference is I don't automatically assume Cable or Chuck is more powerful than Lord, as you do. I'd actually need to see some evidence on all the characters before I could make an informed judgement.


X could do nothing to stop Cable in that state.

I've not seen one thing that says Lord is more powerful then X.

I even think he might, MIGHT be as powerful, but not more.

Superman for the win 10/10.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, he has the capability to FLY at the speed of light. However their is no indication whatsoever of Lightmaster moving at lightspeed when he was attacking Cable. In fact, a good indication would be because him and Lightmaster were actually having a conversation in the middle of the match. Superman moves MUCH faster than the speed of light anyway. This feat means jack.


When he was coming back?

No he didn't...

Or are you talking about the time he stopped to talk?

I know he wasn't moving at light at that point.

He says hes made of light can do all the things a light speed....

Why would he hold back?



Originally posted by batdude123
Really?? He can't move faster than the speed of light right off the bat??? Yeah, that's exactly why it took him two seconds to fly DS to the sun.


Know he can't......

If he could the he woulda stopped Flash when he wanted to find out his ID for him to be in the JLA.

Show the DS fight and what issue its from.



Originally posted by batdude123
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Whats that from?

Originally posted by batdude123
Superman for the win 10/10.



God.....

Thats how you tell someones a fanboy.

That 10/10 crap.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
When he was coming back?

No he didn't...

Or are you talking about the time he stopped to talk?

I know he wasn't moving at light at that point.

He says hes made of light can do all the things a light speed....

When they were fighting. Yes, LM did make a reference to saying he moves at the speed of light. However, when LM was attacking Cable, do you really have any proof that states he was attacking at the speed of light? It is pure speculation that he did. Nothing more. Yes, he can fly and travel at the speed of light, however the difference between LM and Superman, is that Superman can actually ATTACK someone faster than the speed of light. Light master it seemed couldn't do this.



Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
No he can't......

If he could the he woulda stopped Flash when he wanted to find out his ID for him to be in the JLA.

Show the DS fight and what issue its from.

Yeah, basically he can. It takes him so little time, it doesn't make a difference because Superman would've already gone way past the speed of light before Cable could even formulate a thought. The Flash example btw is a horrible example because the Flash is not only faster than Superman, but he can also think and react faster than him. Cable doesn't have the luxury of having a brain like a speedsters. He still has human physiology. He cannot react to the speeds Superman would present. Seriously, by the time Cable would have even thought of anything, Superman would've already beat him, had a cup of coffee, read the morning newspaper, and be back in time for dinner:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6819590

By the way, the Darkseid match was on the other page. Kahn posted scans of it.



Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Whats that from?

Don't really know. Ask Avalon. They're his scans. So, not only does Superman have a slew of other powers that he would use to kick the crap out of Cable with, he also has one of Cable's: telepathy. Btw, Dominus, the person who is getting mind wiped in those scans is damn near skyfather level. Uh, yeah Superman takes this one 10/10.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Still what is Superman going to do that would be the equvilant to that without building up speed at which point he would stop him or teleport away, then attack via telepathy from a far?


Superman has been shown to accelerate to light speed in fractions of a second (see the scan Batdude and I have posted). His acceleration is nearly as insane as his top speed. Keep in mind that the speed of light is 186,282.397 miles per second, so once Superman reaches less than 1% of that (which he can do very quickly) Cable will not be able to tell where Superman is much less actually attack him. There isn't anything stopping him from flying around the planet once or twice build up speed and then attacking Cable before Cable has become aware the fight has started.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Same question.

Same answer. You can't hit what you can't see.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

He handled someone moving at light speed someone who is made of light.

They say it........

It may not mater as much if it wasn't the person who invented the character who said that, but when its someone who invented the character that says he can do it....even if it is only one time.


Actually, whatever speed Lightmaster was using to own Cable, he had to slow down and talk to Cable before Cable could attack or BFR him. Had Cable been able to attack Lightmaster while Lightmaster was actually moving then this would be a different matter.


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

X could do nothing to stop Cable in that state.

I've not seen one thing that says Lord is more powerful then X.

I even think he might, MIGHT be as powerful, but not more.

Assuming you're right, how does that equal Cable being able to mentally manipulate Superman during the fight? It took Max Lord years to affect him mentally, so if Cable is more powerful then it might only take him one year or six months. The problem is that there is not way determine for sure if Cable could do what Max did in significantly less time.

And that isn't even taking into account the fact that Superman can end the fight before Cable realizes the fight has started and and his T-Vo.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
God.....

Thats how you tell someones a fanboy.

That 10/10 crap.

Yeah, I'm the fanboy.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Superman has been shown to accelerate to light speed in fractions of a second (see the scan Batdude and I have posted). His acceleration is nearly as insane as his top speed. Keep in mind that the speed of light is 186,282.397 miles per second, so once Superman reaches less than 1% of that (which he can do very quickly) Cable will not be able to tell where Superman is much less actually attack him. There isn't anything stopping him from flying around the planet once or twice build up speed and then attacking Cable before Cable has become aware the fight has started.


Same answer. You can't hit what you can't see.



Actually, whatever speed Lightmaster was using to own Cable, he had to slow down and talk to Cable before Cable could attack or BFR him. Had Cable been able to attack Lightmaster while Lightmaster was actually moving then this would be a different matter.




Assuming you're right, how does that equal Cable being able to mentally manipulate Superman during the fight? It took Max Lord years to affect him mentally, so if Cable is more powerful then it might only take him one year or six months. The problem is that there is not way determine for sure if Cable could do what Max did in significantly less time.

And that isn't even taking into account the fact that Superman can end the fight before Cable realizes the fight has started and and his T-Vo.

Very well put Kahn.

Originally posted by batdude123
Very well put Kahn.

Thanks. What is funny is that this is the exact same line of argument that comes up in nearly every single Superman vs "Marvel Character" fight. The speed discrepancy is just too great to be ignored. Instead of this being addressed by the thread starter with some sort of speed cap, the same explanation of why an essentially human character can't hit someone who can travel near, at, or above light speed has to be dragged out again and again.

If you go to the Hulk vs Superman or Juggernaut vs Superman thread, you'll see the exact same arguments.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Here he knew the Surfer was coming before he got there.

Are you going to argue Surfer doesn't fight/move at that speed on the board?
http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpg

Did you read the Lightmaster scans?
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Yes it is, because Cable fighting and beating them is like what Superman fights.

Superman would have a real hard time beating X-Man like that and Cable did it in his lowest power set. it says right in the scan from cable. " didnt see this one cumming", so that kinda contradicts what your saying, and they also heard it, it says nowhere in that scan, that cable sensed ss was cumming.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Thanks. What is funny is that this is the exact same line of argument that comes up in nearly every single Superman vs "Marvel Character" fight. The speed discrepancy is just too great to be ignored. Instead of this being addressed by the thread starter with some sort of speed cap, the same explanation of why an essentially human character can't hit someone who can travel near, at, or above light speed has to be dragged out again and again.

If you go to the Hulk vs Superman or Juggernaut vs Superman thread, you'll see the exact same arguments.

Yep. That's exactly what I was thinking. The Hulk vs. Superman thread was a prime example. The Hulk fans couldn't get passed the speed arguement. It seems like this isn't any different. Cable doesn't have the reaction speed to face Superman at his absolute best.

Originally posted by batdude123
When they were fighting. Yes, LM did make a reference to saying he moves at the speed of light. However, when LM was attacking Cable, do you really have any proof that states he was attacking at the speed of light? It is pure speculation that he did. Nothing more. Yes, he can fly and travel at the speed of light, however the difference between LM and Superman, is that Superman can actually ATTACK someone faster than the speed of light. Light master it seemed couldn't do this.


Lightmaster flew at him at the speed of light okay...they do the math of how fast it would take for something to move at the speed of light to get to where they were from the sun.....LM got there faster.

Lightmaster was trying to speed blitz him at light speed.

Cable reacted to it because he can stop things moving at light speed with his cybernetic eye...

It has been shown many times that Flash is faster then this Superman and Flash doesn't...well he's not suppossed to move faster then light.



Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, basically he can. It takes him so little time, it doesn't make a difference because Superman would've already gone way past the speed of light before Cable could even formulate a thought. The Flash example btw is a horrible example because the Flash is not only faster than Superman, but he can also think and react faster than him.


You do know why Flash didn't pass light speed don't you?

Flash wasn't moving at the speed of light and Superman couldn't catch him.

What does that tell you?

Don't say it was bad writing because Geoff Johns wrote it, and he's arguably one of if not thee best Flash writers of all time.

Originally posted by bigbran
it says right in the scan from cable. " didnt see this one cumming", so that kinda contradicts what your saying, and they also heard it, it says nowhere in that scan, that cable sensed ss was cumming.

Storm Shadow already responded to that misrepresentation.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Bah

I had to do this though batdude123 So assuming Cable can survive a strike this is within his powers

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holy now hes immune to kryptonite, how many more powers do they need to give him!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!? im not trying to argue but thats just stupid, make the guy have his weakness that hes had since he was made.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Lightmaster flew at him at the speed of light okay...they do the math of how fast it would take for something to move at the speed of light to get to where they were from the sun.....LM got there faster.

Lightmaster was trying to speed blitz him at light speed.

Cable reacted to it because he can stop things moving at light speed with his cybernetic eye...

It has been shown many times that Flash is faster then this Superman and Flash doesn't...well he's not suppossed to move faster then light.


1. Lightmaster stopped moving and allowed Cable to attack and BFR him. When he was moving Cable could lay a hand on him. Simple as that.

2. First please provide a scan saying that Cable's eye allows him to track objects at light speed and please realize that it is Cable's human based physiology (particularly the method by which nerve impulse are transmitted to and processed by the brain) that prevents him from thinking at light speed.

3. The Flash isn't suppose to move faster than light What part of you nether-region did you pull that from?

Originally posted by bigbran
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holy now hes immune to kryptonite, how many more powers do they need to give him!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!? im not trying to argue but thats just stupid, make the guy have his weakness that hes had since he was made.

That was a result of Superman using "Torquasm Vo" which is a kryptonian mental discipline which allows Superman to enter a "theta state" where he can seemingly manipulate an opponents thoughts, dreams, powers, and even reality itself. Avalonofthewind could give you more info on it.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Lightmaster flew at him at the speed of light okay...they do the math of how fast it would take for something to move at the speed of light to get to where they were from the sun.....LM got there faster.

Lightmaster was trying to speed blitz him at light speed.

Cable reacted to it because he can stop things moving at light speed with his cybernetic eye...

It has been shown many times that Flash is faster then this Superman and Flash doesn't...well he's not suppossed to move faster then light.

You still haven't proved jack here. Superman moves WAY faster than the speed of light. You're bringing up a pretty much mute point here, however I'll bite. LM was not attacking him at the speed of light. Cable has the brain reactions of a normal human. Yes he has TP and TK, however the reactions are the same. If he WAS actually blitzing him at the speed of light (which he wasn't), then it's PIS. Plain and simple. There's actually no reason why Cable can perceive things going at the speed of light. Superman has also gone so fast before that he created a boom tube in the time dimension and he instantly time travelled. That's quite an impressive feat considering Superman isn't tied to the speed force whatsoever. To give you an idea of exactly how fast that is, Kyle Rayner went from one end of the universe to the other in under a day. Pretty fast, no??? However, when he did this he didn't create a boom tube in the time dimension. So, we can safely assume that Superman was going much faster. Cable doesn't have the reaction speeds, bottom line. Show me Cable reacting to something even CLOSE to that fast please.



Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
You do know why Flash didn't pass light speed don't you?

Flash wasn't moving at the speed of light and Superman couldn't catch him.

What does that tell you?

Don't say it was bad writing because Geoff Johns wrote it, and he's arguably one of if not thee best Flash writers of all time.

Really?? Well I'm inclined to disagree with you here. It goes against the majority of their showings. It doesn't really matter who exactly the writer is, it can still be PIS if it goes against the majority of the character's feats. You said yourself that the guy is an expert on Flash, that doesn't mean he knows a damn thing about Superman however. Also, Flash not moving past the speed of light is freakin rediculous. Seriously, he has been shown to move HUNDREDS of times the speed of light. You saying that Flash shouldn't be able to move passed light speed only shows your lack of knowledge. Btw, I like how you are leaving out a bunch of what I said to you when you rebuttal. Don't think I don't notice it. You are fighting a losing battle here junior. Supes for the win 10/10.

Originally posted by TheKahn
That was a result of Superman using "Torquasm Vo" which is a kryptonian mental discipline which allows Superman to enter a "theta state" where he can seemingly manipulate an opponents thoughts, dreams, powers, and even reality itself. Avalonofthewind could give you more info on it. what he didnt have enough powers!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Originally posted by Soleran
I had to do this though batdude123 So assuming Cable can survive a strike this is within his powers

Eh, two problems with that:

1. Superman's not going to be sitting there like a duck. He is going to be speedblitzing him.

2. Who's to say that Superman wouldn't mind rape Cable before Cable even gets the chance? Superman's reaction speeds are much higher.

Also, I don't want to call it PIS, however it is a pretty low showing from Superman. We are in fact using Superman to the best of his ability.

Originally posted by bigbran
what he didnt have enough powers!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Apparently Superman can never have enough powers.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Apparently Superman can never have enough powers.

Pretty much.

Originally posted by batdude123
Pretty much. that sums up why i dont like him, ad his overated part.
but seriosly cable is a mutant, not even an omega at that! hes not winning.

Originally posted by bigbran
that sums up why i dont like him, ad his overated part.
but seriosly cable is a mutant, not even an omega at that! hes not winning.

Thank you.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Superman has been shown to accelerate to light speed in fractions of a second (see the scan Batdude and I have posted). His acceleration is nearly as insane as his top speed. Keep in mind that the speed of light is 186,282.397 miles per second, so once Superman reaches less than 1% of that (which he can do very quickly) Cable will not be able to tell where Superman is much less actually attack him. There isn't anything stopping him from flying around the planet once or twice build up speed and then attacking Cable before Cable has become aware the fight has started.


Okay I just saw the scans and I'm not goingto even say what other posters have said to me about bringing up Jeph Loeb's Superman/Batman comic.

What I will say is, Superman has been shown more times then not to have to build up speed to reach that level.

I read Superman, Flash, Batman ect ect....this whats been shown.





Originally posted by TheKahn
Actually, whatever speed Lightmaster was using to own Cable, he had to slow down and talk to Cable before Cable could attack or BFR him. Had Cable been able to attack Lightmaster while Lightmaster was actually moving then this would be a different matter.


Lightmaster was trying to speed blitz Cable at light speed.

Cable reacted to it because he can stop things moving at light speed with his cybernetic eye..

Originally posted by TheKahn
You can't hit what you can't see.


But he can see things at light speed with his cyber eye.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Assuming you're right, how does that equal Cable being able to mentally manipulate Superman during the fight? It took Max Lord years to affect him mentally, so if Cable is more powerful then it might only take him one year or six months. The problem is that there is not way determine for sure if Cable could do what Max did in significantly less time.


X-Man was a Omega level mutant.

X-Man is also Cable just without the TO virus to weaken his powers.

Cable at that "god like" state wasn't held back by it anymore, which puts him at that omega level.

Mutants are given the status of omega level if they are pointed out to be one of they have a parent that was one.

Cable has Jeans powers.....




Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, I'm the fanboy.


I know.


Originally posted by bigbran
it says right in the scan from cable. " didnt see this one cumming"


He wasn't being literal Bunky.

Originally posted by bigbran
that sums up why i dont like him, ad his overated part.
but seriosly cable is a mutant, not even an omega at that! hes not winning.


Uh he's not an Omega, a sphincter says what?

Originally posted by TheKahn
That was a result of Superman using "Torquasm Vo" which is a kryptonian mental discipline which allows Superman to enter a "theta state" where he can seemingly manipulate an opponents thoughts, dreams, powers, and even reality itself. Avalonofthewind could give you more info on it.

kahn....why does it say Leo on your sig

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Okay I just saw the scans and I'm not goingto even say what other posters have said to me about bringing up Jeph Loeb's Superman/Batman comic.

What I will say is, Superman has been shown more times then not to have to build up speed to reach that level.

I read Superman, Flash, Batman ect ect....this whats been shown.








Lightmaster was trying to speed blitz Cable at light speed.

Cable reacted to it because he can stop things moving at light speed with his cybernetic eye..




But he can see things at light speed with his cyber eye.




X-Man was a Omega level mutant.

X-Man is also Cable just without the TO virus to weaken his powers.

Cable at that "god like" state wasn't held back by it anymore, which puts him at that omega level.

Mutants are given the status of omega level if they are pointed out to be one of they have a parent that was one.

Cable has Jeans powers.....







I know.





He wasn't being literal Bunky.

Btw, you are giving horrible rebuttals.

Originally posted by batdude123
Btw, you are giving horrible rebuttals.


What did you want me to say to you're "and I'm the fanboy" and "yeah dude Superman 10/10", but atleast I don't just copy and past other peoples posts son.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Okay I just saw the scans and I'm not goingto even say what other posters have said to me about bringing up Jeph Loeb's Superman/Batman comic.

What I will say is, Superman has been shown more times then not to have to build up speed to reach that level.

I read Superman, Flash, Batman ect ect....this whats been shown.


The point is that once Superman gets up to a very, very small percent of the speed of light Cable will not be able to follow much less actually attack him thanks to the the speed at which Cable's brain can process information.


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Lightmaster was trying to speed blitz Cable at light speed.

Cable reacted to it because he can stop things moving at light speed with his cybernetic eye..

No, Lightmaster was speedblitzing Cable and beating the ever loving crap out of him. But, of course, he then stops moving and allows Cable the opportunity to cover him with debris and BFR him.



Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

But he can see things at light speed with his cyber eye.

Then I'm sure you have a scan stating that explicitly proving this isn't just fanboy conjecture....


The only abilities I've ever heard of his cybernetic eye granting him is infrared and telescopic vision.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

X-Man was a Omega level mutant.

X-Man is also Cable just without the TO virus to weaken his powers.

Cable at that "god like" state wasn't held back by it anymore, which puts him at that omega level.

Mutants are given the status of omega level if they are pointed out to be one of they have a parent that was one.

Cable has Jeans powers.....


Jean is an Omega-level mutant. Cable is not.

Elixir (New Mutants vol. 2 # 12 by Beast)
Jean Grey (X-Men: Forever by Professor X, also known as the White Phoenix of the Crown.)
Iceman (X-Men: Forever)
Mister M (The 198 Files)
Franklin Richards (The 198 Files)
Quentin Quire (Phoenix Endsong #2 by various sources)
Rachel Summers (Uncanny X-Men #208 by Nimrod. Once also held the Phoenix Force.)
Vulcan (X-Men: Deadly Genesis by Professor X)

So where exactly is it stated that Cable is an Omega?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
kahn....why does it say Leo on your sig

Look at the top left corner.

Originally posted by grey fox
Oh and for all you 'Cable Fans' who think deadpools healing Factor means anything . It doesn't. Heat cauterises a wound. I can think of nothing hotter then Supes heat vision (Sans a big-bang)
As you should know, a cauterized wound in Marvel doesn't necessarily prevent healing. Hulk was burned to a crisp wasn't he? And he regenerated from that.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Lightmaster flew at him at the speed of light okay...they do the math of how fast it would take for something to move at the speed of light to get to where they were from the sun.....LM got there faster.
It was from the moon to Earth and he was only 3/10ths of a second early. Sounds like Cable just overestimated how long it'd take him to get out of the sheathe. Or maybe he took a bit to think of something.


Do you just make up things based on your own guessing? There's no evidence in those scans that his eye has anything to do with stooping, seeing, or making googly eyes at anything moving at high speeds. You could see the little telepathy bubbles. He was either sensing his mind or was just very aware of a huge area with his telepathy. Kind of like Daredevil and his radar vision.


Flash moves at whatever speed he wants. There's even the infamous time where he evacuates X million, I forgot how many, from that city as it's getting destroyed by a large bomb of some kind in nanoseconds.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Look at the top left corner.

Superman takes this 10/10 easy. And even if cable could see something moving at light speed, he does not have the reaction to avoid something moving at light speed let alone multiple light speed. Im still not convince that he can see somebody moving at light speed and ive checked the respect tread.

Originally posted by bigbran
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holy now hes immune to kryptonite, how many more powers do they need to give him!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!? im not trying to argue but thats just stupid, make the guy have his weakness that hes had since he was made.

I don't hear you making comments when clinging to Thanos. In your mind, it's ok for Thanos to be invincible, yet it's wrong for Supes?

Originally posted by Soleran
I had to do this though batdude123 So assuming Cable can survive a strike this is within his powers

Heat vision alone wins. Blackrock was being powered by millions of sources simultaneously and STILL couldn't stand up to Supes. On top of that, it's a magic stone of incredible power, and it was afraid of him bloodlusted.

Originally posted by TheKahn
The point is that once Superman gets up to a very, very small percent of the speed of light Cable will not be able to follow much less actually attack him thanks to the the speed at which Cable's brain can process information.


Cable's eye can spot things tha move at the speed of light, which makes him able react to thhings at the speed of light, which I've shown he can do with the Lightmaster fight.




Originally posted by TheKahn
No, Lightmaster was speedblitzing Cable and beating the ever loving crap out of him. But, of course, he then stops moving and allows Cable the opportunity to cover him with debris and BFR him.

This is a fight that both parties are awear of the fight about to take place which Cable was When lightmaster tried to speed blitz him.

Before the fight took place Cable couldn't fight LM good because his thoughts move at the speed of light so he couldn't get a fix.

If Supermans thoughts move at the speed of light Max Lord wouldn't be albe to do what he did.







Originally posted by TheKahn
Then I'm sure you have a scan stating that explicitly proving this isn't just fanboy conjecture....

He is able spot him coming back when Lightmaster is speed blitzing him.

He spotted Surfer travling at super speed....

This is one of the things it grants him.

Just like he has superhuman strength in his arm, because of it.






Originally posted by TheKahn
Jean is an Omega-level mutant. Cable is not.

Elixir (New Mutants vol. 2 # 12 by Beast)
Jean Grey (X-Men: Forever by Professor X, also known as the White Phoenix of the Crown.)
Iceman (X-Men: Forever)
Mister M (The 198 Files)
Franklin Richards (The 198 Files)
Quentin Quire (Phoenix Endsong #2 by various sources)
Rachel Summers (Uncanny X-Men #208 by Nimrod. Once also held the Phoenix Force.)
Vulcan (X-Men: Deadly Genesis by Professor X)

So where exactly is it stated that Cable is an Omega?


Wikipedia doesn't state many things......

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It was from the moon to Earth and he was only 3/10ths of a second early. Sounds like Cable just overestimated how long it'd take him to get out of the sheathe. Or maybe he took a bit to think of something.



Why are you trying to prove LM was faster then somebody else's calulations?

They weren't Cable's......


Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Do you just make up things based on your own guessing? There's no evidence in those scans that his eye has anything to do with stooping, seeing, or making googly eyes at anything moving at high speeds. You could see the little telepathy bubbles. He was either sensing his mind or was just very aware of a huge area with his telepathy. Kind of like Daredevil and his radar vision.


Stoop?

stoop2 P Pronunciation Key (stp)
n. Chiefly Northeastern U.S.
A small porch, platform, or staircase leading to the entrance of a house or building.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stoop


It was a typo.....

I meant spot.


Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Flash moves at whatever speed he wants. There's even the infamous time where he evacuates X million, I forgot how many, from that city as it's getting destroyed by a large bomb of some kind in nanoseconds.


Have you ever heard of the speed force and what happens to Flash when he passes light speed?

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
What did you want me to say to you're "and I'm the fanboy" and "yeah dude Superman 10/10", but atleast I don't just copy and past other peoples posts son.

Get a clue. I'm not copying and pasting other people's posts "son."

Originally posted by batdude123
Get a clue. I'm not copying and pasting other people's posts "son."

Originally posted by batdude123
You still haven't proved jack here. Superman moves WAY faster than the speed of light. You're bringing up a pretty much mute point here, however I'll bite. LM was not attacking him at the speed of light. Cable has the brain reactions of a normal human. Yes he has TP and TK, however the reactions are the same. If he WAS actually blitzing him at the speed of light (which he wasn't), then it's PIS. Plain and simple. There's actually no reason why Cable can perceive things going at the speed of light. Superman has also gone so fast before that he created a boom tube in the time dimension and he instantly time travelled. That's quite an impressive feat considering Superman isn't tied to the speed force whatsoever. To give you an idea of exactly how fast that is, Kyle Rayner went from one end of the universe to the other in under a day. Pretty fast, no??? However, when he did this he didn't create a boom tube in the time dimension. So, we can safely assume that Superman was going much faster. Cable doesn't have the reaction speeds, bottom line. Show me Cable reacting to something even CLOSE to that fast please.





Really?? Well I'm inclined to disagree with you here. It goes against the majority of their showings. It doesn't really matter who exactly the writer is, it can still be PIS if it goes against the majority of the character's feats. You said yourself that the guy is an expert on Flash, that doesn't mean he knows a damn thing about Superman however. Also, Flash not moving past the speed of light is freakin rediculous. Seriously, he has been shown to move HUNDREDS of times the speed of light. You saying that Flash shouldn't be able to move passed light speed only shows your lack of knowledge. Btw, I like how you are leaving out a bunch of what I said to you when you rebuttal. Don't think I don't notice it. You are fighting a losing battle here junior. Supes for the win 10/10.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Cable's eye can spot things tha move at the speed of light, which makes him able react to thhings at the speed of light, which I've shown he can do with the Lightmaster fight.


You love to avoid answering direct questions don't you? Cable has existed for well over 10 years and you're basing your entire argument around one single fight. I, and others, have asked you to provide actual on panel proof that Cable's eye can spot things moving at the speed of light because, as much as you like to delude yourself, an objective analysis of the Lightmaster fight reveals that it doesn't prove any of what you claim it does. I'd even settle for another character commenting on these claimed abilities. But apparently you can't find any other evidence of their existence.

You can't prove Lightmaster was moving at light speed when he was fighting Cable, you can't prove detecting objects moving at light speed is an ability Cable's artificial eye has, and you can't prove that Cable can process information at a superhuman rate. Now I ask what is more likely? The fact that you may be misinterpreting this feat or the fact that Cable has always possessed this ability but that it has never been mentioned before or since this and the writers never bothered to document it in any way?

It should be a clue when no one else on KMC is actually agreeing with you...


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

This is a fight that both parties are awear of the fight about to take place which Cable was When lightmaster tried to speed blitz him.

Before the fight took place Cable couldn't fight LM good because his thoughts move at the speed of light so he couldn't get a fix.

If Supermans thoughts move at the speed of light Max Lord wouldn't be albe to do what he did.


Just how fast do you think Superman's thoughts will be moving when Superman is flying around at light speed???


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

He is able spot him coming back when Lightmaster is speed blitzing him.

He spotted Surfer travling at super speed....

This is one of the things it grants him.

Just like he has superhuman strength in his arm, because of it.



There is a giant ball of energy coming right at him and he (and others) are able to spot it and you're claiming that this is some kind of feat?

If his eye grants him that ability then just post a scan of it doing something similar or it being described by someone as being able to do such a thing.


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Wikipedia doesn't state many things......

And neither do you. I take it this means that you were just talking out of your ass again and can't find a scan stating Cable is an omega-level mutant...

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Cable's eye can spot things tha move at the speed of light, which makes him able react to thhings at the speed of light, which I've shown he can do with the Lightmaster fight.

Really??? Other than that LM fight, do you really have any substantial proof of this, or did you just make it up? Never once when I read Cable did it make a mention to him being able to spot things going super fast with his cybernetic eye.



Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
This is a fight that both parties are awear of the fight about to take place which Cable was When lightmaster tried to speed blitz him.

Before the fight took place Cable couldn't fight LM good because his thoughts move at the speed of light so he couldn't get a fix.

That's wrong. When LM was blitzing Cable, he wasn't doing anything. He was a sitting duck. However, it was LM that STOPPED and that in turn allowed Cable to use the debris and the BFR for the win. Never once did it depict him being able to track LM when he was going lightspeeds. In fact, this is a redundantly useless fight for this situation. Superman wouldn't stop and allow Cable to use TP, he would keep blitzing him until the job was done. Second, Superman goes MUCH faster than light speed and also his reactions are just WAY above Cable's. Superman would win this fight, drink coffee, have dinner, make love to Lois, and go to sleep all before Cable could even think!!! Third, Cable's telepathy probably wouldn't even work on Superman.


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
If Supermans thoughts move at the speed of light Max Lord wouldn't be albe to do what he did.

Uh, that's why Max Lord took YEARS for him to successfully control Superman's mind.







Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
He is able spot him coming back when Lightmaster is speed blitzing him.

He spotted Surfer travling at super speed....

This is one of the things it grants him.

Just like he has superhuman strength in his arm, because of it.

He didn't beat LM until he completely haulted. Kahn already explained that SS wasn't even going faster than the speed of sound.

Originally posted by TheKahn
You love to avoid answering direct questions don't you? Cable has existed for well over 10 years and you're basing your entire argument around one single fight. I, and others, have asked you to provide actual on panel proof that Cable's eye can spot things moving at the speed of light because, as much as you like to delude yourself, an objective analysis of the Lightmaster fight reveals that it doesn't prove any of what you claim it does. I'd even settle for another character commenting on these claimed abilities. But apparently you can't find any other evidence of their existence.

You can't prove Lightmaster was moving at light speed when he was fighting Cable, you can't prove detecting objects moving at light speed is an ability Cable's artificial eye has, and you can't prove that Cable can process information at a superhuman rate. Now I ask what is more likely? The fact that you may be misinterpreting this feat or the fact that Cable has always possessed this ability but that it has never been mentioned before or since this and the writers never bothered to document it in any way?

It should be a clue when no one else on KMC is actually agreeing with you...




Just how fast do you think Superman's thoughts will be moving when Superman is flying around at light speed???





There is a giant ball of energy coming right at him and he (and others) are able to spot it and you're claiming that this is some kind of feat?

If his eye grants him that ability then just post a scan of it doing something similar or it being described by someone as being able to do such a thing.




And neither do you. I take it this means that you were just talking out of your ass again and can't find a scan stating Cable is an omega-level mutant...

Damn straight Kahn. His whole arguement is based on assumption.

Originally posted by batdude123
Damn straight Kahn. His whole arguement is based on assumption.
Yep so he is right

Originally posted by Broly92
Yep so he is wrong.

Originally posted by batdude123
I suck

Uh the Maxlord Incident can bite my ass for Superman, MM did it in seconds, thanks So if dinky maxlord can I know if given no speedblitz Cable could as well:P

Originally posted by Soleran
Uh the Maxlord Incident can bite my ass for Superman, MM did it in seconds, thanks

Max Lord incident: High showing for Superman

MM incident: Low showing for Superman

Originally posted by batdude123
Max Lord incident: High showing for Superman

MM incident: Low showing for Superman



So right inbetween Cable will go, if you want to show a high for MM then it needs to be constant silly laddy!

So if the situation was such Cable had been given 5 minutes of prep Superman would go down, to bad no one makes freakin marvel threads with that in mind with DC speedsters lol.

Originally posted by Soleran
Uh the Maxlord Incident can bite my ass for Superman, MM did it in seconds, thanks So if dinky maxlord can I know if given no speedblitz Cable could as well:P

Originally posted by batdude123
Eh, two problems with that:

1. Superman's not going to be sitting there like a duck. He is going to be speedblitzing him.

2. Who's to say that Superman wouldn't mind rape Cable before Cable even gets the chance? Superman's reaction speeds are much higher.

Also, I don't want to call it PIS, however it is a pretty low showing from Superman. We are in fact using Superman to the best of his ability.

This is what I had to say about it earlier.

Originally posted by Soleran
Uh the Maxlord Incident can bite my ass for Superman, MM did it in seconds, thanks So if dinky maxlord can I know if given no speedblitz Cable could as well:P

What MM incident? Just out of curiousity.

Originally posted by Soleran
So right inbetween Cable will go, if you want to show a high for MM then it needs to be constant silly laddy!

So if the situation was such Cable had been given 5 minutes of prep Superman would go down, to bad no one makes freakin marvel threads with that in mind with DC speedsters lol.

for you again!

Originally posted by Soleran
So right inbetween Cable will go, if you want to show a high for MM then it needs to be constant silly laddy!

So if the situation was such Cable had been given 5 minutes of prep Superman would go down, to bad no one makes freakin marvel threads with that in mind with DC speedsters lol.

Well, the story called for that situation. I can understand that. However, it's still a pretty low showing for Supes.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I don't hear you making comments when clinging to Thanos. In your mind, it's ok for Thanos to be invincible, yet it's wrong for Supes? because thanos has never been said to have a weakness. and ive shown scans of thanos being hurt, i just say hes insanely durible.
so your saying that supes is invunerable?
and its stupid gving supes even more powers, and when was the last power thanos was giving, 1970? 1980? really, supes has been around for almost half a century, and there still giving him power. its always best to keep your mouth shut.

Originally posted by TheKahn
You love to avoid answering direct questions don't you? Cable has existed for well over 10 years and you're basing your entire argument around one single fight. I, and others, have asked you to provide actual on panel proof that Cable's eye can spot things moving at the speed of light because, as much as you like to delude yourself, an objective analysis of the Lightmaster fight reveals that it doesn't prove any of what you claim it does. I'd even settle for another character commenting on these claimed abilities. But apparently you can't find any other evidence of their existence.

Okay, I showed scans of two fights where Cable spotted characters moving at superspeeds.

1) Was the Lightmaster, where on his return he was moving at light speed.

2) Was where Surfer was speedblitzing him also. Now he might not have been moving at the speed of sound, but Cable knew it was him before he was there.


Now I know it didn't say "Cable has just spotted so and so with his cyber eye", but its clearly what he did there.

The reason for light master is because his thoughts were moving at light speed, so he couldn't get a fix which they state.

They did say that he was going to be coming back at the speed of light and they did the math.

Cable then spotted him on his return with his eye because he was able to react.

Now remember he couldn't have reacted to him because of his telepathy so how then was he able to react?

Its because he can spot things at superspeeds with his cyber eye.

It was stated in a comic, but i forget, I have hundreds of his appearances so it'll take me a few days to find the exact one.

Even though I showed him being able to react to someone doing a light speed speedblitz.


Now you're saying I'm avoiding things, when I haven't....


You say I haven't shown on panle proof of them actually saying "Cable has just spotted so and so with his cyber eye", but you haven't shown them SAYING Superman is moving at the speed of light.

All you showed was the DS fight and caluations of how he might be moving faster then the speed of light.

Thats not proof according to your lodgic....





Originally posted by TheKahn
It should be a clue when no one else on KMC is actually agreeing with you...

What?

Three people...


Originally posted by TheKahn
Just how fast do you think Superman's thoughts will be moving when Superman is flying around at light speed???


He has to give it time to adjust, like his perceptions.

Anyway its not been said he can't lock on to someone moving at light speed, its just harder.

Can you prove he thinks at light speed?



Originally posted by TheKahn
And neither do you. I take it this means that you were just talking out of your ass again and can't find a scan stating Cable is an omega-level mutant...


I know, I know you won't read in to it.

You need it to actually state it.....but when you show scans that don't actually state things you want the other to assume that thats what went down.

Originally posted by batdude123
You still haven't proved jack here. Superman moves WAY faster than the speed of light. You're bringing up a pretty much mute point here, however I'll bite. LM was not attacking him at the speed of light. Cable has the brain reactions of a normal human. Yes he has TP and TK, however the reactions are the same. If he WAS actually blitzing him at the speed of light (which he wasn't), then it's PIS. Plain and simple. There's actually no reason why Cable can perceive things going at the speed of light. Superman has also gone so fast before that he created a boom tube in the time dimension and he instantly time travelled. That's quite an impressive feat considering Superman isn't tied to the speed force whatsoever. To give you an idea of exactly how fast that is, Kyle Rayner went from one end of the universe to the other in under a day. Pretty fast, no??? However, when he did this he didn't create a boom tube in the time dimension. So, we can safely assume that Superman was going much faster. Cable doesn't have the reaction speeds, bottom line. Show me Cable reacting to something even CLOSE to that fast please.





Really?? Well I'm inclined to disagree with you here. It goes against the majority of their showings. It doesn't really matter who exactly the writer is, it can still be PIS if it goes against the majority of the character's feats. You said yourself that the guy is an expert on Flash, that doesn't mean he knows a damn thing about Superman however. Also, Flash not moving past the speed of light is freakin rediculous. Seriously, he has been shown to move HUNDREDS of times the speed of light. You saying that Flash shouldn't be able to move passed light speed only shows your lack of knowledge. Btw, I like how you are leaving out a bunch of what I said to you when you rebuttal. Don't think I don't notice it. You are fighting a losing battle here junior. Supes for the win 10/10.

*ahem*

Originally posted by batdude123
This is actually quite humorous. There is absolutely no way that Cable could even perceive Superman going at those speeds. Cable is a person with human physiology and a person can only think at 30 meters a second. Superman's speed>>>>>>>>>Cable's thinking speed. Cable lacks the necessary requirements to beat Superman. Storm Shadow, all you're "feats" that you are giving us doesn't in anyway prove that he can fight things going at the speed of light, in fact Kahn disproved them all. You are basically fighting a losing battle here.

Superman also goes way faster than the speed of light. WAY faster. In fact, where he took Darkseid the sun in a couple of seconds, was rougly 240X the speed of light. If you can actually prove Cable being able to react at that kind of speed, I give up. Until then, Cable has no real substantial chance of winning. You are being extremely biased here. Just because you are a Cable fan doesn't mean you can't accept when he can lose. It doesn't make you any less of a fan.

I haven't even gone into great depth about Superman's T-Vo either. At the very least, Superman's T-Vo is about as effective as Cable's TP. Superman already confused Dominus with his T-Vo, and he casted illusions all over the place. He was toying with Dominus' mind. Dominus is also damn near SKYFATHER level. Please, this is absolutely rediculous to even think that Cable can beat Superman. That's like saying a normal human can beat Supes. I know obviously Cable is MUCH more powerful than a human (duh), but the basic outcome of the fight would be the same. All of Cable's powers are mindbased. When you have a character that can go faster than the speed of thought, not to mention the speed of light, it's not looking very good for the other person.

Cable is good, but he's definitely not this good. Superman has defeated much stronger opponents than Cable before. There wouldn't be a whole lot for old Cable to do here I'm afraid. With that said, Superman would win this confrontation 10/10. If you can actually show me some proof of Cable being able to react to speeds MUCH greater than the speed of light, then I'll reconsider. However, for right now, Supes stomps him HARD.

You still haven't given a decent rebuttal to this either.

Yes I did, you couldn't respond with info and told me to get it from someone else.

Why would I respond to someone who doesn't really know what the hell they're referencing?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I don't hear you making comments when clinging to Thanos. In your mind, it's ok for Thanos to be invincible, yet it's wrong for Supes?
For me, it's because Thanos is cool. And a villian. Superman is not, and he's a hero. If the hero is smart, cunning, and physically powerful, what the crap is he going to fight? You have to one up the hero who ends up one upping the villian who has to be one upped again to beat the one upped hero who one ups again. It's just a viciously boring cycle.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W


Why are you trying to prove LM was faster then somebody else's calulations?

They weren't Cable's......
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Lightmaster flew at him at the speed of light okay...they do the math of how fast it would take for something to move at the speed of light to get to where they were from the sun.....LM got there faster.
You seemed to imply that Lightmaster was faster than light by the guy's calculation of how fast it would take light to travel from the Moon, which I kind of thought you meant, to Earth. I don't know what I was talking about with Lightmaster taking time ot think because that'd slow him... I was probably in a rush or something.



Pointing out typos is the bottom of the barrel point in interweb debating. I meant to put stopping but I know how much you like to say Cable's cybernetic eye can spot things moving at lightspeed even though it literally makes zero sense from even a fake science standpoint unless he was walking around with a rift in subspace floating around his skull for his eye to track from. And even then it depends on what kind of subspace Marvel has.

It makes more sense that at the time he could sense things from huge distances with his telekinesis, which I meant to put earlier, kind of like some fish can sense their environment through vibrations in the water.


Have you ever heard of Detective "DC" Comics? Have you seen how inconsistant things are there?

Originally posted by bigbran
because thanos has never been said to have a weakness. and ive shown scans of thanos being hurt, i just say hes insanely durible.
so your saying that supes is invunerable?
and its stupid gving supes even more powers, and when was the last power thanos was giving, 1970? 1980? really, supes has been around for almost half a century, and there still giving him power. its always best to keep your mouth shut. excactly.

Superman all the way. Superman is just way too developed and is more consistant than Cable. The thing about Superman is that even though he is the first major comic book superhero and has been around for decades there is no absolute on what his kryptonian body can allow him to do. This is how the creators want it. Believe it or not, Superman may even be powered up some more in the future.

Cable's abilities reminds me of the clone Superboy's. I think they may be a perfect match.

Originally posted by bigbran
because thanos has never been said to have a weakness. and ive shown scans of thanos being hurt, i just say hes insanely durible.
so your saying that supes is invunerable?
and its stupid gving supes even more powers, and when was the last power thanos was giving, 1970? 1980? really, supes has been around for almost half a century, and there still giving him power. its always best to keep your mouth shut.

Yes it is. So keep your mouth shut about Supes upgrades.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
For me, it's because Thanos is cool. And a villian. Superman is not, and he's a hero. If the hero is smart, cunning, and physically powerful, what the crap is he going to fight? You have to one up the hero who ends up one upping the villian who has to be one upped again to beat the one upped hero who one ups again. It's just a viciously boring cycle.

Good reason. Unfortunately it falters in the same way with the villain. Make the villain too powerful and then they lose in ridiculous ways or unbelievable ways.

Originally posted by bigbran
excactly.

Mate are you talking to yourself?

im sorry but superman isnt even fair..lol nobody beats superman he just doesent get beat unless cable finds some kryptonite

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
For me, it's because Thanos is cool. And a villian. Superman is not, and he's a hero. If the hero is smart, cunning, and physically powerful, what the crap is he going to fight? You have to one up the hero who ends up one upping the villian who has to be one upped again to beat the one upped hero who one ups again. It's just a viciously boring cycle.

I think its referred to as power inflation, and is unfortunaltely prevalent through out comics. If you want the best example look at Dragon Ball Z, a show i used to love when i was a lot younger.



Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
You seemed to imply that Lightmaster was faster than light by the guy's calculation of how fast it would take light to travel from the Moon, which I kind of thought you meant, to Earth. I don't know what I was talking about with Lightmaster taking time ot think because that'd slow him... I was probably in a rush or something.. .

In my oppinion, this idea about using the traditional distances (I.e. from a logical universe) to calculate flight speed should be rejected to some degree, as its seems that writers don't really pay attention to it. Geoff Johns especiallly, it took Prime and Co literally mins to cross half the distance of the universe.


Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Pointing out typos is the bottom of the barrel point in interweb debating. .

Totaly agreed ... anyone who does it to me gets put on my ignore list.

well i do bit parts in comic books in my local area in portsmouth, and we take alot of effort into the story and conveying into the images we present in the comic, what you see IS what is happening... it's your opinion entirely, i just think maybe they could of shown you the idea better, but that's what happens, and the character voice comment or thinking comments is the story being explained , because images can only show soo much

Originally posted by MattDay
well i do bit parts in comic books in my local area in portsmouth, and we take alot of effort into the story and conveying into the images we presenet in the comic, what you see IS what is happening... it's your opinion entirely, i just think maybe they could of shown you the idea better, but that's what happens.

Sorry mate i didn't really understand that ..... Did you watch the game yesterday ?

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Totaly agreed ... anyone who does it to me gets put on my ignore list.
Totaly is misspelled. It's totally.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Okay, I showed scans of two fights where Cable spotted characters moving at superspeeds.

1) Was the Lightmaster, where on his return he was moving at light speed.

2) Was where Surfer was speedblitzing him also. Now he might not have been moving at the speed of sound, but Cable knew it was him before he was there.


Now I know it didn't say "Cable has just spotted so and so with his cyber eye", but its clearly what he did there.

The reason for light master is because his thoughts were moving at light speed, so he couldn't get a fix which they state.

They did say that he was going to be coming back at the speed of light and they did the math.

Cable then spotted him on his return with his eye because he was able to react.

Now remember he couldn't have reacted to him because of his telepathy so how then was he able to react?

Its because he can spot things at superspeeds with his cyber eye.

It was stated in a comic, but i forget, I have hundreds of his appearances so it'll take me a few days to find the exact one.

Even though I showed him being able to react to someone doing a light speed speedblitz.

No you haven't.

1. Cable saw a giant ball of energy that was apparent to everyone. Not one stated only Cable could see it and it was never stated that "Cable has the ability to see light speed objects with his artificial eye." That is something Cable fanboys have made up with no actual proof behind it. You would think if he really did have that power it would have been mentioned by someone somewhere in the years he has existed as a character and wouldn't require you to discover it.

2. So you're saying it's some kind of feat for Cable to be able to telepathically sense someone traveling well under the speed of sound? Hell Cyke "sensed" the Surfer too, he just used his ears. So now do we claim that Cyke can "hear" people moving at the speed of light?

And who is it clear to that Cable's eye allowed him to see Lightmaster? It only seems to be "clear" to you. Your insistence on Cable possessing this ability would carry more weigh if you could find some evidence of a writer making even a passing reference to it in the years Cable has existed. But you can't so you made it up this power and demand that we accept he has it when there is no proof to back it up. Again I ask what is more logical: the fact that you might be wrong with your interpretation of the fight, or the fact that Cable does have a power that has never been mentioned any other place before or since?

As for Cable's "reaction" to Lightmaster's re-entry, all he did was erect a shield to protect himself. He didn't actually attack Lightmaster in any way. He knew Lightmaster was coming right back and yet the best he could do was a defensive maneuver. Once again, none of your scans show Cable attacking someone moving at light speed in any manner.

Nothing you've posted has proven Cable can react, think, or attack someone at light speed. And quite simply, that is because he can't. If he could then hardly any other character in the Marvel Universe could ever hope to fight him in any way. Every fight he was in, he would end in a fraction of a second. But it has never been stated by Marvel or his writers that he has the ability no matter how much you want him to.



Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W

Now you're saying I'm avoiding things, when I haven't....


You say I haven't shown on panle proof of them actually saying "Cable has just spotted so and so with his cyber eye", but you haven't shown them SAYING Superman is moving at the speed of light.

All you showed was the DS fight and caluations of how he might be moving faster then the speed of light.

Thats not proof according to your lodgic....

Actually I did.

If you will look back a few pages you will see this scan:

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/9360/supermanmoonbust4do2va.th.jpg

Do the math. He far exceeds the speed of light in that scan. Unlike some people, I don't make claims about characters have certain powers unless their is a plethora of evidence to support it.


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W


He has to give it time to adjust, like his perceptions.

Anyway its not been said he can't lock on to someone moving at light speed, its just harder.

Can you prove he thinks at light speed?

When his body is traveling at the speed of light, how fast do you think the nerve impulses in his body would be going? The short answer is, ignoring the consequences of Einstein's relativistic effects which don't seem to apply in comics anyway, that to an outside observer Superman's thoughts would be traveling slightly faster than his physical speed.


Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W


I know, I know you won't read in to it.

You need it to actually state it.....but when you show scans that don't actually state things you want the other to assume that thats what went down.

Just how many claims are you going to make without any evidence to back them up? That makes three I've counted so far:

1. Cable spotted the Surfer traveling at super speed.
*no he didn't, as the Surfer was traveling well under the speed of sound.

2. Cable's cybernetic eye can spot objects moving at the speed of light.
*no it can't. In his entire existence the writers of Cable and Marvel itself have never stated that Cable has this ability. It's just something you've made up after looking at one fight.

3. Cable is an omega-level mutant.
*no he isn't and it has never been stated that he is. Just another example of stuff that you've made up in this debate and then refuse to back up with scans or evidence of some sort.


So I really don't know what the point of debating with you is. You've proven yourself to be nothing more than a Cable fanboy to whom the idea's of supporting claims with evidence and objective analysis seem to be sadly foreign. All that is going to continue to happen is people will pick holes in your faulty logic to which you will respond not with actual evidence, but with either complete fabrications or grossly exaggerated misrepresentations of actual feats.

Based on the fight rules Cable is a crimson stain wherever he stands

Superman wins in my opinion 8.7/10

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Pointing out typos is the bottom of the barrel point in interweb debating. I meant to put stopping but I know how much you like to say Cable's cybernetic eye can spot things moving at lightspeed even though it literally makes zero sense from even a fake science standpoint unless he was walking around with a rift in subspace floating around his skull for his eye to track from. And even then it depends on what kind of subspace Marvel has.

I know you meant stopping.

How does it make zero sense?

Its made from advanced tech from the future...

I could see how it wouldn't make sense if I said he did it with the other eye but...




Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Have you ever heard of Detective "DC" Comics? Have you seen how inconsistant things are there?

I know they are inconsistent.

The Flash doesn't go faster then the speed of light otherwise he merges with the speed force.


Originally posted by TheKahn
No you haven't.

1. Cable saw a giant ball of energy that was apparent to everyone.

No.....



If we go by your crap logic of them not stating things then please show me where they STATE it was apparent to everyone.

They don't....

They only begin to react when Cable is shield starts to let through the light beams.



Originally posted by TheKahn
know one stated only Cable could see it and it was never stated that "Cable has the ability to see light speed objects with his artificial eye."

No, its not.

Look one of the official writers of the Marvel hand book even states that.



http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable

Yes he is one.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/User:ComiX-Fan

But he must juuust be a fanboy riiiight.....

Originally posted by TheKahn
That is something Cable fanboys have made up with no actual proof behind it.

I showed you a example of him reacting to two characters with super speed....


Originally posted by TheKahn
You would think if he really did have that power it would have been mentioned by someone somewhere in the years he has existed as a character and wouldn't require you to discover it.

They did, I just haven't found the issue yet.

I already said that...


Originally posted by TheKahn
2. So you're saying it's some kind of feat for Cable to be able to telepathically sense someone traveling well under the speed of sound?

How is it not....

He was still going at a great speed...


Originally posted by TheKahn
Hell Cyke "sensed" the Surfer too,



He heard a noise.

If we go by your logic of not stating things then that noise coulda been anything..

I mean they didn't actually state that Surfer is what Cyclops heard.


Originally posted by TheKahn
he just used his ears. So now do we claim that Cyke can "hear" people moving at the speed of light?

Yeah Bunky, thats what we do.


Originally posted by TheKahn
And who is it clear to that Cable's eye allowed him to see Lightmaster? It only seems to be "clear" to you.


Oh, I dunno, maybe because he reacted to it....



Originally posted by TheKahn
It only seems to be "clear" to you. Your insistence on Cable possessing this ability would carry more weigh if you could find some evidence of a writer making even a passing reference to it in the years Cable has existed.


Why do you keep repeating that?


Originally posted by TheKahn
But you can't so you made it up this power and demand that we accept he has it when there is no proof to back it up. Again I ask what is more logical: the fact that you might be wrong with your interpretation of the fight, or the fact that Cable does have a power that has never been mentioned any other place before or since?

No matter how you word it its still the same question.....


Originally posted by TheKahn
As for Cable's "reaction" to Lightmaster's re-entry, all he did was erect a shield to protect himself.

Correct...



Originally posted by TheKahn
He didn't actually attack Lightmaster in any way. He knew Lightmaster was coming right back and yet the best he could do was a defensive maneuver.

Um...did you see why he didn't?
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4867/cd005220wg.jpg

Originally posted by TheKahn
Once again, none of your scans show Cable attacking someone moving at light speed in any manner.


He reacted in a defensive manner to someone speedblitzing him at light speed....

Originally posted by TheKahn
Nothing you've posted has proven Cable can react, think, or attack someone at light speed.



Originally posted by TheKahn
If he could then hardly any other character in the Marvel Universe could ever hope to fight him in any way.



Yeah, thats probably why they got Silver Surfer to stop him.


Originally posted by TheKahn
Actually I did.

If you will look back a few pages you will see this scan:



Do the math. He far exceeds the speed of light in that scan. Unlike some people, I don't make claims about characters have certain powers unless their is a plethora of evidence to support it.


Yes, but if we go by your nobody stated logic then he didn't.


Originally posted by TheKahn
When his body is traveling at the speed of light, how fast do you think the nerve impulses in his body would be going? The short answer is, ignoring the consequences of Einstein's relativistic effects which don't seem to apply in comics anyway, that to an outside observer Superman's thoughts would be traveling slightly faster than his physical speed.

Supermans perceptions have to adjust....

Flash was out running him and he wasn't even going light speed and his perceptions were messed up....

But going buy your logic, do you have scans to back that up?


Originally posted by TheKahn
Just how many claims are you going to make without any evidence to back them up?







Originally posted by TheKahn
1. Cable spotted the Surfer traveling at super speed.

Correct...

Originally posted by TheKahn
*no he didn't, as the Surfer was traveling well under the speed of sound.

Wait....

Did they STATE that, because I don't think they did...

Originally posted by TheKahn
2. Cable's cybernetic eye can spot objects moving at the speed of light.

Correct...


Originally posted by TheKahn
*no it can't. In his entire existence the writers of Cable and Marvel itself have never stated that Cable has this ability. It's just something you've made up after looking at one fight.

Oh so you've read every appearance of his is what you're claiming?


Originally posted by TheKahn
3. Cable is an omega-level mutant.
*no he isn't and it has never been stated that he is. Just another example of stuff that you've made up in this debate and then refuse to back up with scans or evidence of some sort.


Yeah, I know you supposedly need things to be stated.

Here it says what I said about Cable a nd X-Man.
http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cable031032mh.jpg

Dude your superspeedsters don't even add up to the Superman speed factor........................ok Cable has enhanced reaction speed, THERE are a few VERY few people in Marvel that have reaction speeds able to keep up with Superman, Cable isn't one of them, perhaps Northstar is one to give you an example.

So as this discussion progress's into more and more crap, please, Storm how many wins out of 10 do you feel Cable can garner?

4 maybe 5, but thats a big maybe.

First, I don't require something to be stated for verification as a obvious demonstration is just as acceptable. The only problem is that the abilities you are claiming are not verified by either statements or unambiguous feats. Taking the ball of light as an example, how can we definitively know if Cable was the only person who could see it? If it wasn't stated as such, then we have to assume that other individuals would be able to see a giant ball of light heading towards them. The idea that Cable was the only one is just something you've made up.

As for your "source," (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable), you do realize that fans write those articles, don't you? If you or I were to gain enough "respect" (I think that is how Marvel.com measures it) then we could edit that bio to say whatever we wanted. Also even assuming what the article says is true, having reflexes that enable you to dodge bullets isn't the same as having reflexes that enable you do dodge light.

And were did you prove he responded to two characters moving at superspeed? In one scan he saw the Surfer traveling at subsonic speed and in the other he couldn't touch Lightmaster until he stopped moving. And even when he knew Lightmaster was coming directly at him, Cable could directly attack him. Instead all he could manage was to make a defensive shield before Lightmaster got to him. Now it is impressive that Cable was able to create the shield to deflect Lightmaster to a specific location, but that hardly qualifies as him having lightspeed reactions.

And please tell me where in this scan it refers to either Cable or Nate as Omega level mutants...
http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cable031032mh.jpg

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W


Yes I did, you couldn't respond with info and told me to get it from someone else.

Why would I respond to someone who doesn't really know what the hell they're referencing?

Good one, considering I showed you scans of the fight dumbass.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W


Yes I did, you couldn't respond with info and told me to get it from someone else.

Why would I respond to someone who doesn't really know what the hell they're referencing?

Also, this is why you are HORRENDOUSLY losing this argument. You gave a PITIFUL rebuttal to one of my posts, but you somehow can't give a response to this one:

"You still haven't proved jack here. Superman moves WAY faster than the speed of light. You're bringing up a pretty much mute point here, however I'll bite. LM was not attacking him at the speed of light. Cable has the brain reactions of a normal human. Yes he has TP and TK, however the reactions are the same. If he WAS actually blitzing him at the speed of light (which he wasn't), then it's PIS. Plain and simple. There's actually no reason why Cable can perceive things going at the speed of light. Superman has also gone so fast before that he created a boom tube in the time dimension and he instantly time travelled. That's quite an impressive feat considering Superman isn't tied to the speed force whatsoever. To give you an idea of exactly how fast that is, Kyle Rayner went from one end of the universe to the other in under a day. Pretty fast, no??? However, when he did this he didn't create a boom tube in the time dimension. So, we can safely assume that Superman was going much faster. Cable doesn't have the reaction speeds, bottom line. Show me Cable reacting to something even CLOSE to that fast please.





Really?? Well I'm inclined to disagree with you here. It goes against the majority of their showings. It doesn't really matter who exactly the writer is, it can still be PIS if it goes against the majority of the character's feats. You said yourself that the guy is an expert on Flash, that doesn't mean he knows a damn thing about Superman however. Also, Flash not moving past the speed of light is freakin ridiculous. Seriously, he has been shown to move HUNDREDS of times the speed of light. You saying that Flash shouldn't be able to move passed light speed only shows your lack of knowledge. Btw, I like how you are leaving out a bunch of what I said to you when you rebuttal. Don't think I don't notice it. You are fighting a losing battle here junior. Supes for the win 10/10."

I'm actually quite disappointed.

Speedwise alone, Superman smokes cable..but it would never even get to that.... let's check the similarities...

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/9456/cabledeadpool102005streetsamur.th.jpg



Hmmm....

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8897/supeburns0yg.th.jpg

Both equal...

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/5922/cabledeadpool102005streetsamur1.th.jpg

Originally posted by TheKahn
First, I don't require something to be stated for verification as a obvious demonstration is just as acceptable.



Yes you do this is one example of the many that are in the threads...
VVV
Originally posted by TheKahn
And please tell me where in this scan it refers to either Cable or Nate as Omega level mutants...
http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cable031032mh.jpg

What I was saying with this was how they compare them as being the same except that was when Cable was his most powerful because of the TO virus holding him back.

X-Man is a omega level mutant, no I don't have a scan which states it because I know YOU need it to state it when it suits someone elses argument......but not your own...pfff

Originally posted by TheKahn
The only problem is that the abilities you are claiming are not verified by either statements or unambiguous feats.




Yes I did....

sigh

You just ignor them...


Originally posted by TheKahn
Taking the ball of light as an example, how can we definitively know if Cable was the only person who could see it?



Yes I know you need it stated even though....nevermind I explained why.

Your above statment is just another contradiction BS logic....or lack of..


Originally posted by TheKahn
If it wasn't stated as such, then we have to assume that other individuals would be able to see a giant ball of light heading towards them. The idea that Cable was the only one is just something you've made up.



No...no its not other people seeing it is something you made up.

Show me where other people spot it....


Originally posted by TheKahn
As for your "source," (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable), you do realize that fans write those articles, don't you? If you or I were to gain enough "respect" (I think that is how Marvel.com measures it) then we could edit that bio to say whatever we wanted.



No this is more BS of you talking about something you have no clue about...

Do you know how loooong it takes to achieve status of posting on there freely?

It takes a real looong time.

Someone to achieve that status HAS to know a great deal about Marvel characters.

But its not even like that matters, because that person with that handle IS a mod there and he was the only person that is stated to have edited the bio at the bottom.

If someone else were to have then is would say another handle at the bottom.

But it doesn't.....








Originally posted by TheKahn
Also even assuming what the article says is true, having reflexes that enable you to dodge bullets isn't the same as having reflexes that enable you do dodge light.

What I was showing with that was that his eye is what helps him....

There was the bullet example in that and also a example of him reacting to someone who also has super speed with the eye.....


Originally posted by TheKahn
And were did you prove he responded to two characters moving at superspeed?




sigh



Originally posted by TheKahn
In one scan he saw the Surfer traveling at subsonic speed and in the other he couldn't touch Lightmaster until he stopped moving.

God its like banging my head against a wall with you....

You asked that already and I answered....








Originally posted by TheKahn
And even when he knew Lightmaster was coming directly at him, Cable could directly attack him.

So now you're saying he responed to someone at light speed.

Thats good, will take it one step at a time.




Originally posted by TheKahn
all he could manage was to make a defensive shield before Lightmaster got to him.

Okay this is good, you agree that he was able to defend himself against someone coming at light speed.

Now, remember I answered why thats all he did.


Originally posted by TheKahn
Now it is impressive that Cable was able to create the shield to deflect Lightmaster to a specific location, but that hardly qualifies as him having lightspeed reactions.



sigh



Originally posted by batdude123
Good one, considering I showed you scans of the fight dumbass.



This is another reason why I don't respond to your Frankenstein posts.

I hope that metaphor isn't over your head...

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I know you meant stopping.

How does it make zero sense?

Its made from advanced tech from the future...

I could see how it wouldn't make sense if I said he did it with the other eye but...






I know they are inconsistent.

The Flash doesn't go faster then the speed of light otherwise he merges with the speed force.




No.....



If we go by your crap logic of them not stating things then please show me where they STATE it was apparent to everyone.

They don't....

They only begin to react when Cable is shield starts to let through the light beams.





No, its not.

Look one of the official writers of the Marvel hand book even states that.



http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable

Yes he is one.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/User:ComiX-Fan

But he must juuust be a fanboy riiiight.....



I showed you a example of him reacting to two characters with super speed....




They did, I just haven't found the issue yet.

I already said that...




How is it not....

He was still going at a great speed...






He heard a noise.

If we go by your logic of not stating things then that noise coulda been anything..

I mean they didn't actually state that Surfer is what Cyclops heard.




Yeah Bunky, thats what we do.





Oh, I dunno, maybe because he reacted to it....






Why do you keep repeating that?




No matter how you word it its still the same question.....




Correct...





Um...did you see why he didn't?
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4867/cd005220wg.jpg




He reacted in a defensive manner to someone speedblitzing him at light speed....









Yeah, thats probably why they got Silver Surfer to stop him.





Yes, but if we go by your nobody stated logic then he didn't.




Supermans perceptions have to adjust....

Flash was out running him and he wasn't even going light speed and his perceptions were messed up....

But going buy your logic, do you have scans to back that up?












Correct...



Wait....

Did they STATE that, because I don't think they did...



Correct...




Oh so you've read every appearance of his is what you're claiming?





Yeah, I know you supposedly need things to be stated.

Here it says what I said about Cable a nd X-Man.
http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cable031032mh.jpg

Nothing you have shown has proved your point here. Lighmaster was going faster than the speed of light, however Cable was not ATTACKING him as you have previously stated. Lightmaster actually had to stop in order for Cable to BFR him. Cable was a sitting duck for LM. Cable wouldn't have beaten Lighmaster unless he stopped, which he did because all small time villains are dumbasses. Hey, I guess you and Lightmaster have something in common here. It still doesn't prove your point about anything. Cable didn't react at lightspeed. Your point is mute anyway because Superman can fly MUCH faster than the speed of light. Superman wouldn't give Cable the luxury of stopping and letting Cable attack him like LM did. He's going to continue to speedblitz him and not give him a second to think.

Also, you keep holding onto that one single shred of "evidence" you have Superman not being able to catch Flash when he wasn't even going lightspeed. That is completely retarded because it goes against the majority of Superman's feats. So, in essence that feat you keep bringing up is in a word: garbage. I could go on and one about the different times Superman has gone past the speed of light rather easily, however Kahn has done a nice job on the previous pages earlier showing some of thos feats. I would, however, like to bring up another instance for you. You probably didn't even read this in my previous post. Superman has gone so fast that he created a boom tube in the time dimension and has instaneous travelled in the future. Considering Superman isn't tied in with the speedforce in anyway, that's quite a feat. To give you an idea of how that is, Kyle Rayner has flown from one end of the universe to the other in under a day. Pretty fast, no??? However, Kyle didn't create a boom tube, so we can safely assume that Superman was going even faster than that. Your little feat contradicts everything Superman has done in the past. So with that you are being completely irrational.

Btw, you do know that marvel.com can be edited by anybody and is written by fans, don't you??? That's not concrete evidence right there. Also, if you want to SWEAR by that (which is illogical), then it states that Cable is able to track the movements of a bullet. Bullets can barely go faster than the speed of sound. Superman can go MANY times the speed of light. You get the picture??? Also, Silver Surfer wasn't going any faster than a bullet would go. Yet, he took down Cable with a couple of eye blasts. Superman could do that just as easily as the Surfer could. Quite litterally, nothing Cable could do to Superman would be fast enough. Cable doesn't have the reactions to deal with somebody of Superman's calibur.

Cable probably couldn't even mind control Superman. After all, it took Max Lord YEARS in order for him to accomplish that. Cable MIGHT be a better telepath than Lord, although it would still probably take him a good couple of months in order to do so. Besides, Superman could just as easily mind rape Cable before Cable even realized what hit him. Superman did use the exercise "T-Vo" against Dominus and completly confused him. Dominus is a damn near skyfather level character at that. If you're telling me that Cable is more powerful than him, well then I quit, because you are simply a fanboy of Cable's. Superman has almost limitless options of how to take care of Cable, but Cable's options just got that much narrower.

Bottom line; your arguement have holes in them and are completely illogical. You haven't given any substantial proof to back up what you are saying, and to be honest you are embarrassing yourself because of it. This would be easy money for Superman. Supes for the win 10/10.

The reason the same issue keep being brought up is that you don't answer them. You simply make up something (like Cable being an omega or Cable avoiding the Surfer at superspeed) and then ignore it when other people prove what you are saying is wrong. As for you evidence, you're depending on a single fight which is ambiguous at best and on a site where fans write the bios. As you seem to be the only one actually trying to make arguments, and I use the word loosely, in Cable's favor, there really isn't any point in continuing the debate. I think all the relevant points have been made and everyone can make a judgement based on those.