Superman-Darksied-Warlock vs Thor-Silver Surfer-Thanos

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Mr Master
pre-crisis Superman

pre-crisis Darkseid

Warlock (Soul Gem)

vs

Thor (Warrior Madness)

Silver Surfer (Power Gem)

Thanos (Power Gem)

Now what...

Debate.

bigbran
you might as well give thor power gem too, because he was on a thanos level with it.

Priest
Originally posted by Mr Master
pre-crisis Superman

pre-crisis Darkseid

Warlock (Soul Gem)

vs

Thor (Warrior Madness)

Silver Surfer (Power Gem)

Thanos (Power Gem)

Now what...

Debate.

close fight, but im leaning over with thors team...just beacuse warlock probally wouldent be able to effect anyone one them with the soul gem, he dident do it thor WM thor.

Inhuman
Pre-crisis Superman doesnt really follow the laws of phisics,nature,universe,reality,time,ect. So he could take out The Presence and TOAA blindfolded, with both arms tied behind his back.

But anyhow....pC supes was more prone to be weakened by kryptonite and was defeated by laughable enemies. So lets say Surfer can take him. (kryptonite radiation, drain sun power, ect.

Thanos with Power gem grants him unlimited strenth and unlimited powerfull blast of energy. He could take out DS no prob. Thanos has blocked the Omega beams before. Plus he is the smartest one here.

That leaves Warlock. Surfer has escaped the soul gem before and thanos has killed warlock before. + adding WM thor I think they can take him.

smile

bigbran
wmthor has also beat warlock.

Inhuman
Originally posted by bigbran
wmthor has also beat warlock.

right

Juntai
Supes Darkseid and Warlock win.

guy222
WMT vs Super Skrull

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guy222
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Eon Blue
Team one wins.

quanchi112
Team 2 wins all day.

Gecko4lif
Team 1 in a rediculous stomp

Warlock soul rips surfer
Ds 1 shots thor

and all three start a improv game of thanos beachball

LORD B
could pre crisis supes be mind raped?

Gecko4lif
I dont think he had T-vo yet. But In 1 issue he had super telepathy so i dont think so

LORD B
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
I dont think he had T-vo yet. But In 1 issue he had super telepathy so i dont think so
i think team two could take it,depending on how thanos uses the power gem.
also would the pg inrease surfers speed,if so teh speedblitz ftwdurlaugh

Faceman
Originally posted by Mr Master
pre-crisis Superman

pre-crisis Darkseid

Warlock (Soul Gem)

vs

Thor (Warrior Madness)

Silver Surfer (Power Gem)

Thanos (Power Gem)

Now what...

Debate.


Team 2. Pre-Crises Superman was very voulnurable to Magic..

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by LORD B
i think team two could take it,depending on how thanos uses the power gem.
also would the pg inrease surfers speed,if so teh speedblitz ftwdurlaugh
speedblitz a guy over a million times ftl? with rediclous invulernability?

leonidas
interesting thread for you. no real heavy 'cosmic types'.

anyway, supes' team wins.

Sirius77
Darkseid could solo. This is the precrisis version. The one that doesnt have the low feats that the other one does.

Both of them together could pull a VERY healthy majority. Team one.

LORD B
Originally posted by Sirius77
Darkseid could solo. This is the precrisis version. The one that doesn't have the low feats that the other one does.

Both of them together could pull a VERY healthy majority. Team one.
its unfair to have pre crisis darkseid who doesn't have bad/low showings,because he wasn't affected by the crisis.it would be the equivalent of saying Thor-Silver Surfer-Thanos team without any of their low/bad showings.

Sirius77
Originally posted by LORD B
its unfair to have pre crisis darkseid who doesn't have bad/low showings,because he wasn't affected by the crisis.it would be the equivalent of saying Thor-Silver Surfer-Thanos team without any of their low/bad showings.

No, I wasnt making stipulations, I was stating facts. Precrisis Darkseid was affected by the crisis, just not as much as the others. Precrisis means before coie. So, based upon that, I cant recall any low showings for precrisis darkseid.

LORD B
Originally posted by Sirius77
No, I wasnt making stipulations, I was stating facts. Precrisis Darkseid was affected by the crisis, just not as much as the others. Precrisis means before coie. So, based upon that, I cant recall any low showings for precrisis darkseid.
i respect your opinion smile but pre crisis(no loss/low showings) ds is a easy option in a ds debate imho.

Sirius77
Originally posted by LORD B
i respect your opinion smile but pre crisis(no loss/low showings) ds is a easy option in a ds debate imho.

Oh, never mind, I misunderstood, lol. big grin

quanchi112
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Team 1 in a rediculous stomp

Warlock soul rips surfer
Ds 1 shots thor

and all three start a improv game of thanos beachball Ds during precrisis was beatable. Uhm firestorm beat him. laughing out loud

The Great Galen
Well PC supes oneshots SS, DS destroys Thanos Thanos Via OB and then Warklock along with PC supes and DS proceed to gang rape thor. Team 1 wins in a stomp....complete spite thread.

darthgoober
Team two takes this with RIDICULOUS ease. The Silver Surfer's powerset is superior to many skyfather level characters in versatility, it's just that he's strait up less powerful than they are. Give the guy the Power Gem, and suddenly that gap disappears. Pre-Crisis Supes would go down to a single blast of Kryptonite(PC Supes had virtually no resistance to K-nite) and DS would be in the same boat with his vulnerability to Radion. Throw in Thanos with another Power Gem, and this fight becomes a stomp in team two's favor.

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds during precrisis was beatable. Uhm firestorm beat him. laughing out loud
Firsestorm turned his strongest attack back on him

and he still didnt go down

He just said "OWWWWW"

LORD B
Originally posted by darthgoober
Team two takes this with RIDICULOUS ease. The Silver Surfer's powerset is superior to many skyfather level characters in versatility, it's just that he's strait up less powerful than they are. Give the guy the Power Gem, and suddenly that gap disappears. Pre-Crisis Supes would go down to a single blast of Kryptonite(PC Supes had virtually no resistance to K-nite) and DS would be in the same boat with his vulnerability to Radion. Throw in Thanos with another Power Gem, and this fight becomes a stomp in team two's favor.
thumb up

Priest
Team 2 still

JediPrime
Team 2

guy222
WMT vs Beta Ray Bill

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guy222
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Team 2 FTW

Gecko4lif
BRB > Thor
Too bad bill doesnt have a warrior madness mode of his own

quanchi112
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Firsestorm turned his strongest attack back on him

and he still didnt go down

He just said "OWWWWW" The oe can be turned against him. We saw it then and we have seen it in more recent times. smile

guy222
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guy222
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King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
The oe can be turned against him. We saw it then and we have seen it in more recent times. smile

Meh! Darkseid can control the power he unleashes with the Omega Force. Not sure why everyone was freaking out over the Mary Marvel incident. Especially you erm

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_v1_11_08.jpg

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Meh! Darkseid can control the power he unleashes with the Omega Force. Not sure why everyone was freaking out over the Mary Marvel incident. Especially you erm

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_v1_11_08.jpg Well,WW deflected it right back into his face,Supes defeated the oe and Mary Marvel. Sometimes it hurts him more than the character he faces. erm

The Mean Queen
team 2

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well,WW deflected it right back into his face,Supes defeated the oe and Mary Marvel. Sometimes it hurts him more than the character he faces. erm

Wonder Woman has a peice of he soul in Darkseid which all likely is the reason she could do that, also Superman did not defeat a full powered Omega Beam.

As noted by Darkseid he doesn't often use the full omega beam as a form of honour due to the code of combat of New Gods

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wonder Woman has a peice of he soul in Darkseid which all likely is the reason she could do that, also Superman did not defeat a full powered Omega Beam.

As noted by Darkseid he doesn't often use the full omega beam as a form of honour due to the code of combat of New Gods He used the omega effect. When did it state in the comic that he didnt use the full force.

WW bracelets deflected it and your just speculating on whether it has to do with her containing a portion of his soul.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
He used the omega effect. When did it state in the comic that he didnt use the full force.

WW bracelets deflected it and your just speculating on whether it has to do with her containing a portion of his soul.

Yeah and he can control how powerful it is, as he has even used the Omega Effect as an energy beam before erm Also the scan I just shows Darkseid has control over how potent he makes the beams

and arn't you doing the same? Also considering the braclets are indestructable...meh?!

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah and he can control how powerful it is, as he has even used the Omega Effect as an energy beam before erm Also the scan I just shows Darkseid has control over how potent he makes the beams

and arn't you doing the same? Also considering the braclets are indestructable...meh?! So you cant prove he held back any. Darkseid can be idiotic but to say he toned down the omega effect for Superman in this battle is preposterous.

All we know is WW did deflect his beams right back into his domepiece. Omega effect isnt what it used to be. wink

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you cant prove he held back any. Darkseid can be idiotic but to say he toned down the omega effect for Superman in this battle is preposterous.

All we know is WW did deflect his beams right back into his domepiece. Omega effect isnt what it used to be. wink

Actually the burden of proof is on you as I have shown DS showing a level of control with his OE. Show me proof it was a full power OE erm Actually as I mentioned Darkseid holds back due to the code of New Gods in combat. We have seen the Omega Beam incinerate people stronger and more powerful then Superman, so...ta da?

Ummm..what? Not really as in Young Justice he depowered Secret, and sent Slo-bo to the DC 1,000,000 timeline and turned him into a living statue forever.

Sirius77
Originally posted by darthgoober
Team two takes this with RIDICULOUS ease. The Silver Surfer's powerset is superior to many skyfather level characters in versatility, it's just that he's strait up less powerful than they are. Give the guy the Power Gem, and suddenly that gap disappears. Pre-Crisis Supes would go down to a single blast of Kryptonite(PC Supes had virtually no resistance to K-nite) and DS would be in the same boat with his vulnerability to Radion. Throw in Thanos with another Power Gem, and this fight becomes a stomp in team two's favor.

Are you serious? You think that one power gem will suddenly give him the boost he needs to take out someone that almost took out several dimensions with his speed alone, and could only be stoppedby the source empowered specter? No. Just no. Precrisis Superman will one-shot surfer before he can access his powers.

And what is thanos going to do to precrisis darkseid? The guy that pwns pantheons and abstrcts under his own power and then takes their powers, and boosts his own. He swats precrisis kryptonian level beings like flies and mindrapes six billion daxamites like its childs play. Thanos is not doing anything to him.

darthgoober
Originally posted by Sirius77
Are you serious? You think that one power gem will suddenly give him the boost he needs to take out someone that almost took out several dimensions with his speed alone, and could only be stoppedby the source empowered specter? No. Just no. Precrisis Superman will one-shot surfer before he can access his powers.
Question, where are Pre-Crisis Supes's uber combat speed feats? I hear about the dimension thing all the time, but as Supes fans are apt to point out in Surfer threads, travel speed and combat speed are two entirely different things. If the Power Gem can amp Thor to the point that he can trade shots with Thanos, then I think it's safe to say that it'll amp Surfer's durability enough for him to last until he downs Supes with a single blast of K-nite.

And besides, for every good showing you have for PC Supes there's an equally crappy one. On average he really wasn't all that much more impressive than current Supes in fact.

Originally posted by Sirius77

And what is thanos going to do to precrisis darkseid? The guy that pwns pantheons and abstrcts under his own power and then takes their powers, and boosts his own. He swats precrisis kryptonian level beings like flies and mindrapes six billion daxamites like its childs play. Thanos is not doing anything to him.
Thanos is probably more proficient with the Power Gem then anyone else living. Pretty much anything DS throws at Thanos can be turned back on him.

Sirius77
Originally posted by darthgoober
Question, where are Pre-Crisis Supes's uber combat speed feats? I hear about the dimension thing all the time, but as Supes fans are apt to point out in Surfer threads, travel speed and combat speed are two entirely different things. If the Power Gem can amp Thor to the point that he can trade shots with Thanos, then I think it's safe to say that it'll amp Surfer's durability enough for him to last until he downs Supes with a single blast of K-nite.

Well, I just randomly got this one from the first page... is this what you were talking about?

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3764/pc1cd9.th.jpg

Originally posted by darthgoober
And besides, for every good showing you have for PC Supes there's an equally crappy one. On average he really wasn't all that much more impressive than current Supes in fact.

One could say the same of surfer. The fact is Precrisis supermans high feats outwiegh pretty much anything that the surfer has done. We can argue low feats all day and pull out scans of bottles and gorilas and black panthers and bricks, but I'd rather not. smile


Originally posted by darthgoober
Thanos is probably more proficient with the Power Gem then anyone else living. Pretty much anything DS throws at Thanos can be turned back on him.

It doesnt matter. Darkseid took out two abstract level beings on the fly, under his own power. Thanos can't compete with that. Even with the power gem, thanos wont be enough to take out this darkseid.

darthgoober
Originally posted by Sirius77
Well, I just randomly got this one from the first page... is this what you were talking about?

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3764/pc1cd9.th.jpg





Because Flash ALWAYS fights to the best of his ability right? I can show you scans of Surfer dodging Thor's hammer(that's been clocked at 3x lightspeed) but if I did would you automatically assume that the hammer was moving at it's top speed?

Originally posted by Sirius77

One could say the same of surfer. The fact is Precrisis supermans high feats outwiegh pretty much anything that the surfer has done. We can argue low feats all day and pull out scans of bottles and gorilas and black panthers and bricks, but I'd rather not. smile
Well if we disregard all but the highest of Surfer's showings, then we go by his punking a Watcher, beating the Stranger, taking down Tenebris and Aegis, and beating the Uni-Lord. I think that compares with the feats of PC Supes.



Originally posted by Sirius77

It doesnt matter. Darkseid took out two abstract level beings on the fly, under his own power. Thanos can't compete with that. Even with the power gem, thanos wont be enough to take out this darkseid.
What two abstract level beings and what story?

Juntai
Originally posted by darthgoober

Well if we disregard all but the highest of Surfer's showings, then we go by his punking a Watcher, beating the Stranger, taking down Tenebris and Aegis, and beating the Uni-Lord. I think that compares with the feats of PC Supes. Supes just slaps him to the dawn of time.


cool

darthgoober
Originally posted by Juntai
Supes just slaps him to the dawn of time.


cool
Surfer comes back via time travel wink .

Juntai
Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer comes back via time travel wink . He hypnotizes surfer with his belt, and tells him to gtfo.
big grin

And Surfer's not as good with time travel as Supes is. Maybe the power gem will help with that though?

Sirius77
Originally posted by darthgoober
Because Flash ALWAYS fights to the best of his ability right? I can show you scans of Surfer dodging Thor's hammer(that's been clocked at 3x lightspeed) but if I did would you automatically assume that the hammer was moving at it's top speed?

Flash is alot faster than 3 times light speed. Aand this isnt the current flash. This is the precrisis one. The same one that searched the universe for specter (literally).


Originally posted by darthgoober
Well if we disregard all but the highest of Surfer's showings, then we go by his punking a Watcher, beating the Stranger, taking down Tenebris and Aegis, and beating the Uni-Lord. I think that compares with the feats of PC Supes.

In the tenebrous and aegis feat, he literally almost died and was missing a leg and both his arms, and his skin was falling off revealing his muscle...

Anyway, those showings are impressive, but they are in no way above precrisis supermans feats. Go to the respect thread if you dont believe me. He has beaten abstract entities before.




Originally posted by darthgoober
What two abstract level beings and what story?

The time trapper and Mordu. "Legion of Superheroes: The Great Darkness Saga" Its a really good read. Itsridiculous, but its awesome, lol.

darthgoober
Originally posted by Juntai
He hypnotizes surfer with his belt, and tells him to gtfo.
big grin

And Surfer's not as good with time travel as Supes is. Maybe the power gem will help with that though?
Surfer sees Supes's plan when he's traveling through time and turns Supes's belt into gold K-nite big grin .

He doesn't have to be as good, he just has to get back the battlefield.

darthgoober
Originally posted by Sirius77
Flash is alot faster than 3 times light speed. Aand this isnt the current flash. This is the precrisis one. The same one that searched the universe for specter (literally).
Wait so you're willing to admit that Surfer has 3x lightspeed reflexes based on his dodging Thor's hammer?

And Surfer also fought a guy who had the power of Gladiator(who can move so fast he can account for time dilation) wink .

Originally posted by Sirius77

In the tenebrous and aegis feat, he literally almost died and was missing a leg and both his arms, and his skin was falling off revealing his muscle...

Anyway, those showings are impressive, but they are in no way above precrisis supermans feats. Go to the respect thread if you dont believe me. He has beaten abstract entities before.
Surfer was also messed up BEFORE he channeled the energies of the Crunch.

Those ARE abstract level entities, so Supes still isn't ahead. They're highest feats are in the same ballpark(though Supes does have a slight edge), but Surfer has access to Supes's weaknesses. One shot of Gold K-nite and Supes is powerless.





Originally posted by Sirius77

The time trapper and Mordu. "Legion of Superheroes: The Great Darkness Saga" Its a really good read. Itsridiculous, but its awesome, lol.
Future timeline. Invalid under forum rules.

Sirius77
Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait so you're willing to admit that Surfer has 3x lightspeed reflexes based on his dodging Thor's hammer?

lol, you must have me confused with someone else. Logic would say that he would have to have something to guide him through space at faster than light speeds, perhaps its cosmic awreness, perhaps its reflexes, who knows? All we can do is guess. I never said that surfer didnt have fast reflexes, I just agree with the fact that he doesnt have amazing combat speed or many speedblitzes under his belt.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And Surfer also fought a guy who had the power of Gladiator(who can move so fast he can account for time dilation) wink .

Thats great. smile


Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer was also messed up BEFORE he channeled the energies of the Crunch.

lol. No he wasnt. I have that comic, he was practically on roid rage, lol. He was on a cosmic adrenaline rush, thats why he was rushing to tenebrous and aegis so eagerly. Thats what that whole little "I will HOLD them!" monologue was about.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Those ARE abstract level entities, so Supes still isn't ahead. They're highest feats are in the same ballpark(though Supes does have a slight edge), but Surfer has access to Supes's weaknesses. One shot of Gold K-nite and Supes is powerless.

He beat tenebrous and aegis on a tecnicality. If the crunch was not there, he would been killed.

The stranger and watcher, I have no idea about those, but do you mind posting some scans?

And no, their highest feats are not in the same ballpark. Surfer can't hold the energy of a sun. Precrisis superman blows them out. Surfer makes black holes, Precrisis superman is capable of ending realities. Theres really no comparison imo.






Originally posted by darthgoober
Future timeline. Invalid under forum rules.

Grasping...

Well, if you would like to disregard that, fine. Its still a feat, and its still canon. He has some other very good ones also. Visit the respect thread.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually the burden of proof is on you as I have shown DS showing a level of control with his OE. Show me proof it was a full power OE erm Actually as I mentioned Darkseid holds back due to the code of New Gods in combat. We have seen the Omega Beam incinerate people stronger and more powerful then Superman, so...ta da?

Ummm..what? Not really as in Young Justice he depowered Secret, and sent Slo-bo to the DC 1,000,000 timeline and turned him into a living statue forever. The oe was used and failed. I dont have to prove anything to you. He said he used the omega effect and Supes jus got out of it. Ds wasnt supposed to use the omega effect against Orion in thier battle but he did didnt he? smile

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
The oe was used and failed. I dont have to prove anything to you. He said he used the omega effect and Supes jus got out of it. Ds wasnt supposed to use the omega effect against Orion in thier battle but he did didnt he? smile

Wrong, and I have showed scans of using the OE in less potent levels. You can't prove it was full power, so your arguement "I don't have to prove anything to you" is a way to avoid the issue.

You mean the time he did it on purpose so he could pretend Orion killed him, so in turn would become evil himself? Hmmm..context much?

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wrong, and I have showed scans of using the OE in less potent levels. You can't prove it was full power, so your arguement "I don't have to prove anything to you" is a way to avoid the issue.

You mean the time he did it on purpose so he could pretend Orion killed him, so in turn would become evil himself? Hmmm..context much? He broke the rules to fool everyone which proves he will break the code if it suits him. Cant you see that?

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
He broke the rules to fool everyone which proves he will break the code if it suits him. Cant you see that?

Broke what rules? As all the OE he shot out was a teleporting beam not an incinerating beam. He never wanted or even intended to kill Orion. Wow.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Broke what rules? As all the OE he shot out was a teleporting beam not an incinerating beam. He never wanted or even intended to kill Orion. Wow. He wasnt allowed to do anything like that. He broke the rules and wanted to fool everyone. He was supposed to fight to the death but broke the code by using his beams. Wow.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
He wasnt allowed to do anything like that. He broke the rules and wanted to fool everyone. He was supposed to fight to the death but broke the code by using his beams. Wow.

and how does that even remotely relate to using full power Omega Beam? and Darkseid can decline the challenge anytime actually as he has done so in the past erm

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
and how does that even remotely relate to using full power Omega Beam? and Darkseid can decline the challenge anytime actually as he has done so in the past erm He didnt decline the challenge he accepted it is the point. He used his beams which was against the rules and there is no honor in throwing the confrontatiom. The point is he violated the code. erm

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
He didnt decline the challenge he accepted it is the point. He used his beams which was against the rules and there is no honor in throwing the confrontatiom. The point is he violated the code. erm

Ummm...please show me the rules saying he can't use beams? or show me where in the rules he would lose honor in throwing the confrontation. As he has accepted it before and walked away and no one cared erm

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Ummm...please show me the rules saying he can't use beams? or show me where in the rules he would lose honor in throwing the confrontation. As he has accepted it before and walked away and no one cared erm It was strictly hand to hand combat. He hit something on his wrist and the fired his beams. To me throwing a competition is dishonorable and that to me is common sense.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was strictly hand to hand combat. He hit something on his wrist and the fired his beams. To me throwing a competition is dishonorable and that to me is common sense.

Ummmm...lulz? It was Orion who hit something on his wrist as he created a forcefield deflecting the OE, but Darkseid actually planned for that. To you it's dishonarable, to Darkseid he saved the universe from Orion.

darthgoober
Originally posted by Sirius77
lol, you must have me confused with someone else. Logic would say that he would have to have something to guide him through space at faster than light speeds, perhaps its cosmic awreness, perhaps its reflexes, who knows? All we can do is guess. I never said that surfer didnt have fast reflexes, I just agree with the fact that he doesnt have amazing combat speed or many speedblitzes under his belt.
And where are all these speedblitzes from PC Supes that you're talking about? You say that Surfer doesn't have many combat speed feats, but so far neither does PC Supes.



Originally posted by Sirius77
Thats great. smile
You do realize that time dilation is the same method of speed that Zoom uses right? Surfer keeping up with Gladiator=Flash keeping up with Zoom.




Originally posted by Sirius77
lol. No he wasnt. I have that comic, he was practically on roid rage, lol. He was on a cosmic adrenaline rush, thats why he was rushing to tenebrous and aegis so eagerly. Thats what that whole little "I will HOLD them!" monologue was about.
Then check it again because Surfer was tore up before he channeled the energies of the Crunch...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-033.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-034.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-035.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7008/annihilationheraldsofgaoi2.jpg



Originally posted by Sirius77
He beat tenebrous and aegis on a tecnicality. If the crunch was not there, he would been killed.
You forget that Surfer can actually send and recieve energy through Hyperspace. That means that he can technically channel the energies of the Crunch from anywhere...

Originally posted by Sirius77
The stranger and watcher, I have no idea about those, but do you mind posting some scans?

I'm having trouble with the Watcher scans, bur here's one of Surfer's encounters with the Stranger...
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9360/silversurfer05p37fb5.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8116/silversurfer05p38pd1.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1516/silversurfer05p39oj0.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3233/silversurfer05p40vp2.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8522/silversurfer05p41aq5.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4617/silversurfer05p47su8.jpg

Originally posted by Sirius77
And no, their highest feats are not in the same ballpark.
Sure they are...

Originally posted by Sirius77
Surfer can't hold the energy of a sun. Precrisis superman blows them out. Surfer makes black holes, Precrisis superman is capable of ending realities. Theres really no comparison imo.
If we're only going by the high end then your comparison's are wrong. Better comparisons would be...

Surfer creates Black Holes, PC Supes blows out suns=Same ballpark.
Surfer takes down the embodiments of Realities(Uni-Lord), Supes is capable of ending realities=Same Ballpark.


Originally posted by Sirius77
Grasping...

Well, if you would like to disregard that, fine. Its still a feat, and its still canon. He has some other very good ones also. Visit the respect thread.
It's no more admissible for him than Keeper is for Surfer or Magus is for Warlock. It's a version of the character from an alternate universe, plane and simple.

I've seen the respect thread. I've also read most of the original issues that the scans come from so I know most of the context that the respect thread leaves out.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Ummmm...lulz? It was Orion who hit something on his wrist as he created a forcefield deflecting the OE, but Darkseid actually planned for that. To you it's dishonarable, to Darkseid he saved the universe from Orion. Ds hit his own wrist and Orion then did to defend himself from Ds. Again it was only hand to hand combat. I have said my piece and so have you.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds hit his own wrist and Orion then did to defend himself from Ds. Again it was only hand to hand combat. I have said my piece and so have you.

Wrong again, it was ORION who hit his wrist, as you see the forcefield being generated from his wrists and the close up on the wrists is Orions glove. Seriously have you read the issue? erm

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wrong again, it was ORION who hit his wrist, as you see the forcefield being generated from his wrists and the close up on the wrists is Orions glove. Seriously have you read the issue? erm I just looked it up. I cant remember everything in every issue I look at. Orion hit his wrist after Ds's eyes turned red and he knew the beams were coming. Ds resorted to his beams because in hand to hand he was losing. smile

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
I just looked it up. I cant remember everything in every issue I look at. Orion hit his wrist after Ds's eyes turned red and he knew the beams were coming. Ds resorted to his beams because in hand to hand he was losing. smile

Awesome yet you kept saying it was Darkseid who touched his wrist, also where was it said the fight had to be hand to hand? I guess Orion is dishonourable as he didn't use just hand to hand either eh?. Also read further as the reason he used the OE was DS wanted Orion to believe he actually killed him.

Case in point from later on in another altercation:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_08-21.jpg

Dark-Jaxx
Supes hits him with his Anti-Marvel Vision.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Awesome yet you kept saying it was Darkseid who touched his wrist, also where was it said the fight had to be hand to hand? I guess Orion is dishonourable as he didn't use just hand to hand either eh?. Also read further as the reason he used the OE was DS wanted Orion to believe he actually killed him.

Case in point from later on in another altercation:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_08-21.jpg I said I was wrong, please get over it. Orion used his forcefield because Darkseid was obvioulsy cheating. He is dishonorable and is a villain. Villains are usually dishonorable. Didnt Ds back off from Doomsday once and tell Steppenwulf not to speak of it to anyone. That wasnt very honorable or courageous either. Ds tried to fool him into believing he died. He is a villain and does everything out fof personal gain.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
I said I was wrong, please get over it. Orion used his forcefield because Darkseid was obvioulsy cheating. He is dishonorable and is a villain. Villains are usually dishonorable. Didnt Ds back off from Doomsday once and tell Steppenwulf not to speak of it to anyone. That wasnt very honorable or courageous either. Ds tried to fool him into believing he died. He is a villain and does everything out fof personal gain.

So in that whole paragraph you still couldn't any proof eh? and half of your paragraph is wrong anyways. Darkseid planned the whole thing he even states it in the next issue when he is talking to Metron, when he comes face to face with Orion with the ALE, and a few more times when he is making plans with Metron erm

You keep flip flooping your points erm

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
So in that whole paragraph you still couldn't any proof eh? and half of your paragraph is wrong anyways. Darkseid planned the whole thing he even states it in the next issue when he is talking to Metron, when he comes face to face with Orion with the ALE, and a few more times when he is making plans with Metron erm

You keep flip flooping your points erm Listen I dont know what you think I am flipflopping about. The fight was obviously a hand to hand fight only and Ds used his beams and cheated. He threw the match, and again I have gone over and over this with you. It is common sense that in sports,battles,whatever that if you purposely lose that you have dishonored youself and your character. stick out tongue

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Listen I dont know what you think I am flipflopping about. The fight was obviously a hand to hand fight only and Ds used his beams and cheated. He threw the match, and again I have gone over and over this with you. It is common sense that in sports,battles,whatever that if you purposely lose that you have dishonored youself and your character. stick out tongue

Yeah it was a hand to hand fight DS INTENDED to lose. Yet you keep implying it's a legit fight erm Also you do realize in other father/son challenges Orion has used weapons and DS has used his eyes and no one said it was dishonourable erm Actually you said he used weapns so he cheated, but so did Orion, so he is a cheater too by your logic.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah it was a hand to hand fight DS INTENDED to lose. Yet you keep implying it's a legit fight erm Also you do realize in other father/son challenges Orion has used weapons and DS has used his eyes and no one said it was dishonourable erm Actually you said he used weapns so he cheated, but so did Orion, so he is a cheater too by your logic. No to defend yourself after someone is cheating is just defending yourself. Ds cheated first. stick out tongue

In other father and son challenges were they in this arena? wink

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
No to defend yourself after someone is cheating is just defending yourself. Ds cheated first. stick out tongue

In other father and son challenges were they in this arena? wink

Actually the honourable thing to do is NOT to lower yourself to his level. Not cheat as well

None, but others happened on New Genesis and in front of the Source Wall. It doesn't have to be in a stadium

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually the honourable thing to do is NOT to lower yourself to his level. Not cheat as well

None, but others happened on New Genesis and in front of the Source Wall. It doesn't have to be in a stadium Well it was obviously a different challenge and it seemed to me as if they had agreed on strictly a hand to hand battle. When has anyone seen Darkseid fight like that in any other comic?

Survival instinct kicks in and he saved his ass because he thought Ds was trying to kill him.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well it was obviously a different challenge and it seemed to me as if they had agreed on strictly a hand to hand battle. When has anyone seen Darkseid fight like that in any other comic?

Survival instinct kicks in and he saved his ass because he thought Ds was trying to kill him.

It still was a challenge DS was going to lose on purpose so he could as he said give him Apokolips, so in turn he could stain his soul.

Orion knows DS doesn't want to kill him, he has even said that to his son several times and DS himself has spared his son even bringing him back from the dead erm

Sirius77
Originally posted by darthgoober
And where are all these speedblitzes from PC Supes that you're talking about? You say that Surfer doesn't have many combat speed feats, but so far neither does PC Supes.

I never said that he did have many speedblitzing feats.

This isn't a speed blitz, but its good reaction time. I doubt that surfers blasts will move any faster than this:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8783571

And he has great control over blitzing, seeing as jimmy didnt vaporize, lol:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Precrisis/?action=view&current=supermansavesjimmy.jpg

Here Precrisis superman moves the earth at 1/4 strength in a tenth of a second.

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Precrisis/?action=view&current=supermanweakenedearthmoving.jpg

A speedblitz. Unsuccessful (its precrisis mongul, not a surprise, lol):

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Precrisis/?action=view&current=supermanvsmongul3.jpg

Two speedblitzes:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Precrisis/?action=view&current=maaldor12.jpg


Originally posted by darthgoober
You do realize that time dilation is the same method of speed that Zoom uses right? Surfer keeping up with Gladiator=Flash keeping up with Zoom.

Thats great, but earth two superman just as 'recently' as ic one-shotted zoom. Also, Precrisis Superman was not only keeping up with Precrisis Flash, but was actually had a better reaction time. Precrisis Flash was alot 'faster' than zoom.


Originally posted by darthgoober
Then check it again because Surfer was tore up before he channeled the energies of the Crunch...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-033.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-034.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-035.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7008/annihilationheraldsofgaoi2.jpg

He was torn up because he was getting owned by tenebrous and aegis. That was my point...


Originally posted by darthgoober
You forget that Surfer can actually send and recieve energy through Hyperspace. That means that he can technically channel the energies of the Crunch from anywhere...

Which would kill him. Thats probably why he doesnt.

But I see your point.



Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm having trouble with the Watcher scans, bur here's one of Surfer's encounters with the Stranger...
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9360/silversurfer05p37fb5.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8116/silversurfer05p38pd1.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1516/silversurfer05p39oj0.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3233/silversurfer05p40vp2.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8522/silversurfer05p41aq5.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4617/silversurfer05p47su8.jpg

Thats really impressive, but he didnt actually 'defeat' the stranger. He just kind of cheap shotted him with a blast of energy to his eyes. The stranger was staggered a few times, but he just got tired of it and left.


Originally posted by darthgoober
Sure they are...

Nope. Check the respect thread.


Originally posted by darthgoober
If we're only going by the high end then your comparison's are wrong. Better comparisons would be...

Surfer creates Black Holes, PC Supes blows out suns=Same ballpark.
Surfer takes down the embodiments of Realities(Uni-Lord), Supes is capable of ending realities=Same Ballpark.

Acually, blowing out a sun with your breath is a way bigger feat than making a black hole. Its not the same ballpark, lol.

And not to be rude, but can I have scans of this uni-lord thing? And who is uni-lord? And how is he the embodiment of realities?

Either way, not offense, but taking down reality enders is not the same as ending a couple of realities by accident...Doom has taken down galactus (iirc), but that doesnt mean that he is over galactus.



Originally posted by darthgoober
It's no more admissible for him than Keeper is for Surfer or Magus is for Warlock. It's a version of the character from an alternate universe, plane and simple.

Alternate universe? Darkseid was sleeping, woke up, and pwned the hell out of everyone. The same darkseid, just in the future. There was nothing alternate about it. And considering its the same character, and the feats are well within his abilities, and he was slightly weakened at the time (iirc), then I dont see why it would not be admissable.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
It still was a challenge DS was going to lose on purpose so he could as he said give him Apokolips, so in turn he could stain his soul.

Orion knows DS doesn't want to kill him, he has even said that to his son several times and DS himself has spared his son even bringing him back from the dead erm Losing a sacred challenge on purpose isnt honorable my friend. It is something a villain would do and its what Darkseid did. wink

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Losing a sacred challenge on purpose isnt honorable my friend. It is something a villain would do and its what Darkseid did. wink

Sacred challenge? Errr...and actually Darkseid in the end by doing so saved the universe erm

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sacred challenge? Errr...and actually Darkseid in the end by doing so saved the universe erm He was still dishonest about it all. erm

He cheated. It is that simple.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was still dishonest about it all. erm

He cheated. It is that simple.

You cheat to win, Darkseid didn't even want to win. So I'm not seeing how it's the same thing erm

It's dishonest, but cheating? Not really. However, he in the end saved the universe by doing so how dishonest was it really?

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
You cheat to win, Darkseid didn't even want to win. So I'm not seeing how it's the same thing erm

It's dishonest, but cheating? Not really. However, he in the end saved the universe by doing so how dishonest was it really? Again we have been going over this time and time again. He deceived and shamed himself and the whole code of honor in the process of his treachery.

When an athlete purposes loses it shames that event.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again we have been going over this time and time again. He deceived and shamed himself and the whole code of honor in the process of his treachery.

When an athlete purposes loses it shames that event.

Yeah and your wrong, you said he cheated but he didn't cheat to win and he wasn't taking the fight serious as he said in his own words. As noted he WANTED to lose. So cheating? No. Dishonest? Yes. Also no one said he lost anything in the code of honor, as Orion and Kalibak have challenged him afterwards and used weapons, etc. In the end the New Gods thanked him for what he did erm

But the athlete was trying to win so they cheated, here DS wanted to LOSE he had no intention of winning. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah and your wrong, you said he cheated but he didn't cheat to win and he wasn't taking the fight serious as he said in his own words. As noted he WANTED to lose. So cheating? No. Dishonest? Yes. Also no one said he lost anything in the code of honor, as Orion and Kalibak have challenged him afterwards and used weapons, etc. In the end the New Gods thanked him for what he did erm

But the athlete was trying to win so they cheated, here DS wanted to LOSE he had no intention of winning. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Athletes that throw contests have dishonored the contest and that is precisely what Darkseid did here. Its my opinion that this was strictly hand to hand.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Athletes that throw contests have dishonored the contest and that is precisely what Darkseid did here. Its my opinion that this was strictly hand to hand.

Then Orion is dishonest too as he broke the conduct and walked away from the challenge as well erm

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Then Orion is dishonest too as he broke the conduct and walked away from the challenge as well erm He did so to defend himself. He would never stoop so low as to throw a challenge and dishonor himself. He never attacked Darkseid with his astro force either but again used it to defend himself. wink

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
He did so to defend himself. He would never stoop so low as to throw a challenge and dishonor himself. He never attacked Darkseid with his astro force either but again used it to defend himself. wink

I'm talking about the other challenges, not just this. Actually Orion backed out other times as he was getting beat so being a chicken is also dishonorable, but the other characters didn't care erm He also wasn't suppose to even use that, and the armor he used in the fight was built by Lightray. So in the end from that encounter DS saved the universe doing what he did, no one thinks he was dishonorable...except for you erm

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I'm talking about the other challenges, not just this. Actually Orion backed out other times as he was getting beat so being a chicken is also dishonorable, but the other characters didn't care erm He also wasn't suppose to even use that, and the armor he used in the fight was built by Lightray. So in the end from that encounter DS saved the universe doing what he did, no one thinks he was dishonorable...except for you erm Darkseid has walked away from Doomsday. So maybe Orion walked away but then again so has Darkseid. Ds was dishonorable in throwing the match. No matter how you slice it its just dishonorable.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid has walked away from Doomsday. So maybe Orion walked away but then again so has Darkseid. Ds was dishonorable in throwing the match. No matter how you slice it its just dishonorable.

Errrr...context? Darkseid walked away as the planet was about to be destroyed he wanted to fight Doomday thousands of years ago, but the planet was doomed so they were forced to leave. Not really, considering what he did was for the greater good. If you consider that dishonorable I guess all the New Gods are as they all have done such a thing one time or the other erm

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Errrr...context? Darkseid walked away as the planet was about to be destroyed he wanted to fight Doomday thousands of years ago, but the planet was doomed so they were forced to leave. Not really, considering what he did was for the greater good. If you consider that dishonorable I guess all the New Gods are as they all have done such a thing one time or the other erm When you lose on purpose and there is a code of honor among warriors you dishonor it. wink

He walked away from Doomsday and asked Steppenwulf not to tell anyone because of the shame. smile

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
When you lose on purpose and there is a code of honor among warriors you dishonor it. wink

He walked away from Doomsday and asked Steppenwulf not to tell anyone because of the shame. smile

Highfather did it, Orion even did it to Darkseid way before he did it to him erm

So did they actually fight? Nope, did they even throw a punch? No. Was the planet about to be destroyed? yes. Did Steppenwulf tell Darkseid they had to leave? Yes. So what shame did he have?

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Highfather did it, Orion even did it to Darkseid way before he did it to him erm

So did they actually fight? Nope, did they even throw a punch? No. Was the planet about to be destroyed? yes. Did Steppenwulf tell Darkseid they had to leave? Yes. So what shame did he have? Why did Darkseid ask him to never speak of this again. Answer because there is a code amongst warriors that you never turn your back on a challenge. Why else would Darkseid say to never speak of it again if he was fine with it. Answer me that.

Again when someone throws a match or a challenge and loses intentionally it shames the contest. To say that it doesnt isnt logical at all in the slightest. wink

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why did Darkseid ask him to never speak of this again. Answer because there is a code amongst warriors that you never turn your back on a challenge. Why else would Darkseid say to never speak of it again if he was fine with it. Answer me that.

Again when someone throws a match or a challenge and loses intentionally it shames the contest. To say that it doesnt isnt logical at all in the slightest. wink

I love your logic, they didn't even fight so what code did they even break? Also what code is this anyways? As no where has this been said. I guess Highfather is very dishonorable as he has walked away from many fights..and I mean many fights erm. Darkseid lost his friend, lost the planet and the resources he wanted, and the planet was about to be destroyed. His entire scheme was destroyed, but please endulge me why would he have shame for a fight he never even fought?

So like I said all the New Gods are dishonorable then, and lets forget how he saved the universe with his little trick or the other challenges his son narked on him erm

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I love your logic, they didn't even fight so what code did they even break? Also what code is this anyways? As no where has this been said. I guess Highfather is very dishonorable as he has walked away from many fights..and I mean many fights erm. Darkseid lost his friend, lost the planet and the resources he wanted, and the planet was about to be destroyed. His entire scheme was destroyed, but please endulge me why would he have shame for a fight he never even fought?

So like I said all the New Gods are dishonorable then, and lets forget how he saved the universe with his little trick or the other challenges his son narked on him erm Darkseid violated the code imo against Orion and was cowardly and shameful against Doomsday. He didnt want anyone else to know about it because he was embarrassed by it.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid violated the code imo against Orion and was cowardly and shameful against Doomsday. He didnt want anyone else to know about it because he was embarrassed by it.

*sigh* So once again you can't provide proof and ignore all my points and merely rehash your faulty logic erm

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
*sigh* So once again you can't provide proof and ignore all my points and merely rehash your faulty logic erm You never once answered my question about whether throwing a competition in any event,challenge,etc. is honprable or dishonorable.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
You never once answered my question about whether throwing a competition in any event,challenge,etc. is honprable or dishonorable.

It's not in this case as Darkseid saved the universe by doing so, and did you miss the part where Orion did it before, and Highfather has done it several times I guess he is dishonorable too eh?

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
It's not in this case as Darkseid saved the universe by doing so, and did you miss the part where Orion did it before, and Highfather has done it several times I guess he is dishonorable too eh? You really cant answer my question....can you?

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
You really cant answer my question....can you?

I just did, and no it was NOT dishonorable as with his actions he did he saved the universe erm

Sooooo if that makes you dishonorable all the New Gods, even Superman are as well.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I just did, and no it was NOT dishonorable as with his actions he did he saved the universe erm

Sooooo if that makes you dishonorable all the New Gods, even Superman are as well. He still dishonored the contest. Even if he did it for a greater good it still doesnt change the fact that Ds is deceptive.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
He still dishonored the contest. Even if he did it for a greater good it still doesnt change the fact that Ds is deceptive.

Not really, as he wasn't even taking the contest serious, and Orion did the exact same thing to his father earlier, and walked away from the challenge after this fight. OMGZ DS is deceptive? that definetly makes him dishonorable erm

Hazsekswthurmom
Why are you still arguing with this fool?

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not really, as he wasn't even taking the contest serious, and Orion did the exact same thing to his father earlier, and walked away from the challenge after this fight. OMGZ DS is deceptive? that definetly makes him dishonorable erm To not honor the warrior code and honor the challenge is dishonorable. I think it is while you make excuses to justify Darkseid's actions.

Mr. Slippyfist
Thanos is dishonorable. smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Thanos is dishonorable. smile If you were serious I would argue wit you but I can tell you arent. Sigh.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
To not honor the warrior code and honor the challenge is dishonorable. I think it is while you make excuses to justify Darkseid's actions.

So like I said I guess all the New Gods are dishonorable then, and you find where it stated in the comic about the code yet?

Bad Ash231
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Thanos is dishonorable. smile

Mr. Slippyfist
Thanos attacked Surfer from behind after Surfer gave up killing him, and he lied to Geatar, and blew up his ship when they landed. smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
So like I said I guess all the New Gods are dishonorable then, and you find where it stated in the comic about the code yet? Read death of the new gods 6. It is shameful to not accept a challenge. Common sense tells us that losing this on purpose is dishonorable.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Read death of the new gods 6. It is shameful to not accept a challenge. Common sense tells us that losing this on purpose is dishonorable.

I have, and what's your point? So sending in clones rather then yourself isn't dishonest? Oh the hyprocisy.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I have, and what's your point? So sending in clones rather then yourself isn't dishonest? Oh the hyprocisy. Prove Thanos lives by this new god warrior code where people go around challenging each other. wink

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove Thanos lives by this new god warrior code where people go around challenging each other. wink

Funny how you said the unwritten code of the warrior, and where oh where is this New God code stated in the comics? Show me proof, if you don't have scans or a direct quote don't bother replying

Mr. Slippyfist
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I have, and what's your point? So sending in clones rather then yourself isn't dishonest? Oh the hyprocisy. I know.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Funny how you said the unwritten code of the warrior, and where oh where is this New God code stated in the comics? Show me proof, if you don't have scans or a direct quote don't bother replying Proof.


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/DOTNG6p08.jpg



I told you so. wink

He says it plain as day tha he is bound by our warriors code. Pwned.

Bad Ash231
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6426/da116pf0.jpg

Oh.

King_Mungi
Ummm...lulz, first you said it was a New Gods Warrior code, when it's just a normal old warriors code. So like I said point? As not everyone falls into the code, and Highfather, Orion, Lightray, etc. have broken it. So ZOMG New Gods are dishonorable

Ooooooooh, so everytime DS uses his beams is dishonorable. So I guess Orion using his astro force is dishonorable, or Highfather using his staff? So basically anyone who uses attacks other then fists is dishonest eh? Lulz.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Ummm...lulz, first you said it was a New Gods Warrior code, when it's just a normal old warriors code. So like I said point? As not everyone falls into the code, and Highfather, Orion, Lightray, etc. have broken it. So ZOMG New Gods are dishonorable

Ooooooooh, so everytime DS uses his beams is dishonorable. So I guess Orion using his astro force is dishonorable, or Highfather using his staff? So basically anyone who uses attacks other then fists is dishonest eh? Lulz. I said it was a warrior code that the new gods lived by. How many times did I say warriors code. I mean what gives. I just proved you dead wrong yet you still want to put up a stink. Proofs in the pudding. You want to talk about Thanos when he doesnt live by this warriors code that most of the new gods live by as I just pwned you with.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
I said it was a warrior code that the new gods lived by. How many times did I say warriors code. I mean what gives. I just proved you dead wrong yet you still want to put up a stink. Proofs in the pudding. You want to talk about Thanos when he doesnt live by this warriors code that most of the new gods live by as I just pwned you with.

All warriors live by a warriors code, but you said prove to me Thanos lives by the New Gods warriors code. So where is this New Gods warriors code as it's something different apparently by your own words. Actually no you didn't, but you keep ignoring facts over and over again. So Thanos is dishonest then? as a warriors code is a thing of honor, and apparently he doesn't follow a code.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
All warriors live by a warriors code, but you said prove to me Thanos lives by the New Gods warriors code. So where is this New Gods warriors code as it's something different apparently by your own words. Actually no you didn't, but you keep ignoring facts over and over again. So Thanos is dishonest then? as a warriors code is a thing of honor, and apparently he doesn't follow a code. Some of the new gods are bound by warriors code. It is stated on panel. When is it stated that Thanos lives and honors a warriors code. laughing out loud

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Some of the new gods are bound by warriors code. It is stated on panel. When is it stated that Thanos lives and honors a warriors code. laughing out loud

Key word "some", so like I said Thanos is dishonest then? As he attacks people from behind, tricks people , creates clones to do his bidding instead of fighting the battles himself, lies to people so apparently his actions made Thanos some how honest?

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Key word "some", so like I said Thanos is dishonest then? As he attacks people from behind, tricks people , creates clones to do his bidding instead of fighting the battles himself, lies to people so apparently his actions made Thanos some how honest? Thanos tricks people all the time. When did I say he didnt. You are confused. He doesnt live by this warriors code and I am right about that.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos tricks people all the time. When did I say he didnt. You are confused. He doesnt live by this warriors code and I am right about that.

Yet you were about to argue Mr. Slippyfist about Thanos being honorable. So like I said he keeps doing hishonest things, but that still makes him honorable?

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yet you were about to argue Mr. Slippyfist about Thanos being honorable. So like I said he keeps doing hishonest things, but that still makes him honorable? Thanos uses deception and what not. He is a villain and so is Darkseid. Bran was just trying to have fun with this and he wasnt serious. My point is that Thanos doesnt live by this code of the warrior and doesnt have to honor the code.

Mr. Slippyfist
Just because he doesn't live by some code, that doesn't rule out him being dishonorable...

King_Mungi
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Just because he doesn't live by some code, that doesn't rule out him being dishonorable...

Exactally, especially as he has done dishonest things in his career

quanchi112
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Just because he doesn't live by some code, that doesn't rule out him being dishonorable... I called Darkseid dishonorable because of his actions relating to the challenge and how he lost on purpose. Darkseid has to adhere to this warrior code. The new gods I guess deceive each other every chance they get. Thanos isnt dishonorable with regards to a warrior code but some may view him as such. But in relation to how I viewed Darkseid as being dishonorable it isnt applicable to Thanos because he doesnt live by the warrior code.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Exactally, especially as he has done dishonest things in his career So has Darkseid but I was referring to the code of the warrior specifically.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid has to adhere to this warrior code.

No he doesn't, as like I mentioned Lightray, Orion, and even Highfather have shown to break it and turned down straight up challenges before.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So has Darkseid but I was referring to the code of the warrior specifically.

Definetly, but code of the warrior is vague. As even the most pure warrior can break the code, but doesn't make them over all dishonorable. As Orion has done so in the past, but he is still always refered to as a honorable warrior, even Gods from New Genesis have said Darkseid has an honorable side.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No he doesn't, as like I mentioned Lightray, Orion, and even Highfather have shown to break it and turned down straight up challenges before.



Definetly, but code of the warrior is vague. As even the most pure warrior can break the code, but doesn't make them over all dishonorable. As Orion has done so in the past, but he is still always refered to as a honorable warrior, even Gods from New Genesis have said Darkseid has an honorable side. Darkseid may have an honorable side but he also is a deceptive prick. It just depends on what the writer has Ds doing in any particular story.

And with regards to some of the new gods turning down challenges that makes them cowardly in my eyes because in death of the new gods 6 it is described as a very shameful act to turn one down.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid may have an honorable side but he also is a deceptive prick. It just depends on what the writer has Ds doing in any particular story.

And with regards to some of the new gods turning down challenges that makes them cowardly in my eyes because in death of the new gods 6 it is described as a very shameful act to turn one down.

Pretty much, and same with the New Gods or any character in general

Before DoNG, there was no written law about this, as this is a new thing all together. No one considers the New Gods dishonorable, even all the Earth heroes

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Pretty much, and same with the New Gods or any character in general

Before DoNG, there was no written law about this, as this is a new thing all together. No one considers the New Gods dishonorable, even all the Earth heroes Its new but we must accept it.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Its new but we must accept it.

Not if it goes against multiple previous events and statements we don't

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not if it goes against multiple previous events and statements we don't Uhm yes we do. It is current. Sorry but it stands and you cant ignore it even though I know you want to. Its canon.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm yes we do. It is current. Sorry but it stands and you cant ignore it even though I know you want to. Its canon.

Uhmm no we don't, read the rules of the board. As this completely contradicts previous statements and showings for the past 30-40 years.

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Uhmm no we don't, read the rules of the board. As this completely contradicts previous statements and showings for the past 30-40 years. So you ignore this. Thats fine. I for one see it as canon and dont ignore what I dislike but you are fine to do so.

King_Mungi
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you ignore this. Thats fine. I for one see it as canon and dont ignore what I dislike but you are fine to do so.

I'm just going by the rules of the board

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I'm just going by the rules of the board Thats fine. You can ignore it while I dont. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. smile

Sirius77
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats fine. You can ignore it while I dont. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. smile

You'd ignore it if it suited you.

But either way, he's right and you're wrong, you've been proven wrong on almost every account here.

And why are you questioning ds honor? What about thanos? Isnt this the same guy that traps people in blocks? The same guy that cheap shotted galactus and got owned? The same guy that put up a sheild with drax instead of fighting him and still died?

LORD B
Originally posted by Sirius77
You'd ignore it if it suited you.

But either way, he's right and you're wrong, you've been proven wrong on almost every account here.

And why are you questioning ds honor? What about thanos? Isnt this the same guy that traps people in blocks? The same guy that cheap shotted galactus and got owned? The same guy that put up a sheild with drax instead of fighting him and still died?
he trapped wm thor in block because his object was to subdue/contain him.the only other way to stop him would have been to kill him,seeing as he was tapping into the infinite supply of power from the powergem.

he had his shield up to try and stop drax while he attempted to free surfer and galactus,he put the universes survival before his own at that point.

Sirius77
Originally posted by LORD B
he trapped wm thor in block because his object was to subdue/contain him.the only other way to stop him would have been to kill him,seeing as he was tapping into the infinite supply of power from the powergem.

he had his shield up to try and stop drax while he attempted to free surfer and galactus,he put the universes survival before his own at that point.

I'm aware of the context. I was trying to make a point.

LORD B
Originally posted by Sirius77
I'm aware of the context. I was trying to make a point.
unfortunately your point will be ignored smile

Sirius77
Originally posted by LORD B
unfortunately your point will be ignored smile

By quan, yes. smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by Sirius77
You'd ignore it if it suited you.

But either way, he's right and you're wrong, you've been proven wrong on almost every account here.

And why are you questioning ds honor? What about thanos? Isnt this the same guy that traps people in blocks? The same guy that cheap shotted galactus and got owned? The same guy that put up a sheild with drax instead of fighting him and still died? If you were paying attention you would have realized I was referring to the warrior code that Thanos doesnt live by. wink

He wanted Galactus' attention and got it by blasting him. He put up a shield because he just needed a few moments and then would have fought Drax. He was right to put up the shields because Drax did cheapshot him. Drax's powers changed a lot over his latest resurrection. If you missed it Thanos was trying to free Galactus at the time.

King_Mungi
Actually you were willing to debate with Mr.Slippy over Thanos being honorable

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Thanos is dishonorable. smile

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you were serious I would argue wit you but I can tell you arent. Sigh.

So because Thanos doesn't live by a code he isn't dishonorable? erm

Sirius77
Originally posted by quanchi112
If you were paying attention you would have realized I was referring to the warrior code that Thanos doesnt live by. wink

Youre right. Those instances with thanos werent dishonorable... they were cowardly. smile

Originally posted by quanchi112
He wanted Galactus' attention and got it by blasting him.

While he was off guard. By surprise. In the astro plane.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He put up a shield because he just needed a few moments and then would have fought Drax.

So its okay when thanos uses outside sources, but not ds?

Really fair and unbiased...erm

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was right to put up the shields because Drax did cheapshot him. Drax's powers changed a lot over his latest resurrection. If you missed it Thanos was trying to free Galactus at the time.

He saw drax coming, and he put up a shield because he wasnt ready to die. Unfortunately... smile

Draxs powers have changed. He usewd to be able to rip open stars. Now he has trouble with giant bugs... dissapointing...

And if you missed it, the instance that you brought up with ds, he was trying to save the fourth world. smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually you were willing to debate with Mr.Slippy over Thanos being honorable





So because Thanos doesn't live by a code he isn't dishonorable? erm Thanos is a villain and uses shrewd tactics. Again he isnt dishonorable by the warrior code and thats all I said. smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by Sirius77
Youre right. Those instances with thanos werent dishonorable... they were cowardly. smile



While he was off guard. By surprise. In the astro plane.



So its okay when thanos uses outside sources, but not ds?

Really fair and unbiased...erm



He saw drax coming, and he put up a shield because he wasnt ready to die. Unfortunately... smile

Draxs powers have changed. He usewd to be able to rip open stars. Now he has trouble with giant bugs... dissapointing...

And if you missed it, the instance that you brought up with ds, he was trying to save the fourth world. smile When was Thanos cowardly?

I saw Darkseid beg for mercy against Superman and actually flee from him. Those instances are cowardly.

Thanos' tech is a part of his resources. You dont call out Iron Man do you and his suit is all his power.

He did know that Drax was there but was trying to free Galactus. wink

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