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I know Imperiex is strong in the DC universe, as is Phoenix in Marvel. Who wins?

Phoenix smokes his sorry ass.

Have any of you seen Mr.Masters post on why the Phoenix is nothing more then a universal power.

Imperiex>>>>>the phoenix force

The Phoenix Force two greatest on panel feats, were holding the 616 marvel universe, and repairing the K crystal, thats it. The phoenix force has never shown on panel to be truly multiversal.

are you smoking Jesse 7, research things for yourself don't use other people opinions. Phoenix force will kill Imperiex with a thought, not even death can contain the Phoenix force. LT=PF they have different roles in the universe but they are both top dogs in the Marvel Universe. I forgot what issue maybe GS has it, the top beings in the marvel universe where bowing down to the Phoenix even Eternity,Infinity, Death etc knew who was at top of the food chain.

Ah ha, but Mr. Master's argument states that some of what GS said was never true or proven. Sounds a bit like a hypocrit, telling me not to use others opinions, yet you refer to GS.

Because it was in a comic, Even numerous sites even states how powerful the Phoenix force is, LT and PF are equals in the marvel universe hierarchy. Even during Dark Phoenix Saga she gave mastermind a taste what it is to be part of the multi-universe, White Crown Phoenix will truly smoke Imperiex in sec.

Originally posted by the Darkone
are you smoking Jesse 7, research things for yourself don't use other people opinions. Phoenix force will kill Imperiex with a thought, not even death can contain the Phoenix force. LT=PF they have different roles in the universe but they are both top dogs in the Marvel Universe. I forgot what issue maybe GS has it, the top beings in the marvel universe where bowing down to the Phoenix even Eternity,Infinity, Death etc knew who was at top of the food chain.

That's not exactly true.

"LT=PF they have different roles in the universe but they are both top dogs in the Marvel Universe" hysterical

And... what Jesse 7 is talking about, was backed up by scans NOT opinions.

To begin with:..that never even happened...that was the Stranger telling a story of what is to become of humanity in the far far future...but who can believe the Stranger.
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/6997/strangerlies28ks.th.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/169/strangerlies39np.th.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1193/strangerlies43ya.th.jpg

Second: Phoenix Force has never done (on panel) anything more than REPAIR a Universe(she didn't even restructure it as some would have you believe)nono
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7369/nxm154219hy1xa9qx.th.jpg
Impressive no doubt but who ever says that this scan implies anything else rather than her just Fixing a universe is full of shit.

Her other major feat was repairing the Mkraan Crystal...which also was a Universal feat.
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1361/mkraancrystalevent8lt.th.jpg

That's it..be my guest and prove me wrong ON PANEL, not with lectures and twisted bios.

We should ALL research before posting...wouldn't you say? master


Marvel hierarchy

1. TOAA
:Obviously:

2. HOTU
:Absorbed LT: nuff said...

3. Living Tribunal
:Because he's above the IG(like I proved in this thread)

4. IG
:Because it controlled the energies of the Ultimate Nullifier:

5. Ultimate Nullifier
:Obliterated and Remade the Multiverse in the blink of an eye.

6. Abraxas(he can only manifest...if one of the Galactus's in Multi-verse die).
:Because only the UN can kill him:

7. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity(embodiments of the Multiverse/Time&Space)
:Because it's their Multiverse, Because they are the Multiverse, because they make up an infinite number of Universes(as you saw in the Cosmic Vortex)without them there's nothing, Because a Single Big Bang takes place in their immensity all the time. An entire Universe is infinitesimal in comparison to them.

8. Phoenix Force/Eternity/Infinity/Entropy/Death

9. Rest of the abstracts and so on.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's not exactly true.

"LT=PF they have different roles in the universe but they are both top dogs in the Marvel Universe" hysterical

And... what Jesse 7 is talking about, was backed up by scans NOT opinions.

To begin with:..that never even happened...that was the Stranger telling a story of what is to become of humanity in the far far future...but who can believe the Stranger.
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/6997/strangerlies28ks.th.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/169/strangerlies39np.th.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1193/strangerlies43ya.th.jpg

Second: Phoenix Force has never done (on panel) anything more than REPAIR a Universe(she didn't even restructure it as some would have you believe)nono
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7369/nxm154219hy1xa9qx.th.jpg
Impressive no doubt but who ever says that this scan implies anything else rather than her just Fixing a universe is full of shit.

Her other major feat was repairing the Mkraan Crystal...which also was a Universal feat.
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1361/mkraancrystalevent8lt.th.jpg

That's it..be my guest and prove me wrong ON PANEL, not with lectures and twisted bios.


We should ALL research before posting...wouldn't you say? master

So... Who wins?

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
So... Who wins?

If Imperiex has destroyed a universe...which I know he has.

This automatically raises him above the PF. Why?

Because Phoenix never has Remade/Warped a Universe...

Phoenix has never created a Universe.

Phoenix has never even destroyed a Universe...I believe she can...but she never has.

Imperiex on the other hand...

Has anyone ever considered that Multi-Eternity could be TOAA?
ME owns everything. Each Eternity is his children. And LT is the children's ward. Myself I see it as.

TOAA=ME (Multi Eternity... not me... I'm not that egotistical )
HOTU
LT
The Infinites (there were 3) Eternity was miniscule in power compared to one. Eternity could only talk the Infinites out of destroying everything. The Heroes couldn't even fight them and weren't considered at all.
UN can be used to kill Eternity, which "reset" Eternity as if Galactus had never died, and Abraxas was sealed back in.
Abraxas was fought against, and the heroes were able to best him.
Infinity Gauntlet cause gave Thanos the power to beat/become Eternity.
Eternity
Galactus/Phoenix/Death/Stranger/Chaos/Order
Cosmic Cube

Imperiex can birth the DCU....Like Galactus has been alluded to be able to do in his final act. PF is somewhat above Galactus, in feats, so by default, she's above Imperiex. At least thats how i see it.

She's been so easily killed and trapped in the past though...

PF is not above Imperiex by on panel feats, not at all.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's not exactly true.

"LT=PF they have different roles in the universe but they are both top dogs in the Marvel Universe" hysterical

And... what Jesse 7 is talking about, was backed up by scans NOT opinions.

To begin with:..that never even happened...that was the Stranger telling a story of what is to become of humanity in the far far future...but who can believe the Stranger.
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/6997/strangerlies28ks.th.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/169/strangerlies39np.th.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1193/strangerlies43ya.th.jpg

Second: Phoenix Force has never done (on panel) anything more than REPAIR a Universe(she didn't even restructure it as some would have you believe)nono
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7369/nxm154219hy1xa9qx.th.jpg
Impressive no doubt but who ever says that this scan implies anything else rather than her just Fixing a universe is full of shit.

Her other major feat was repairing the Mkraan Crystal...which also was a Universal feat.
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1361/mkraancrystalevent8lt.th.jpg

That's it..be my guest and prove me wrong ON PANEL, not with lectures and twisted bios.

We should ALL research before posting...wouldn't you say? master


Marvel hierarchy

1. TOAA
:Obviously:

2. HOTU
:Absorbed LT: nuff said...

3. Living Tribunal
:Because he's above the IG(like I proved in this thread)

4. IG
:Because it controlled the energies of the Ultimate Nullifier:

5. Ultimate Nullifier
:Obliterated and Remade the Multiverse in the blink of an eye.

6. Abraxas(he can only manifest...if one of the Galactus's in Multi-verse die).
:Because only the UN can kill him:

7. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity(embodiments of the Multiverse/Time&Space)
:Because it's their Multiverse, Because they are the Multiverse, because they make up an infinite number of Universes(as you saw in the Cosmic Vortex)without them there's nothing, Because a Single Big Bang takes place in their immensity all the time. An entire Universe is infinitesimal in comparison to them.

8. Phoenix Force/Eternity/Infinity/Entropy/Death

9. Rest of the abstracts and so on.

Imperiex was destroying countless universes, not just one, he also absorbs a universe like nothing for power to use in battle against the Spectre.

Imperiex>>>PF

Jesse, now i know you aren't reading the comics you're debating. Imperiex is simply the big bang. The guy you just described, is the Antimonitor. Try harder.

And X, the whole point of the pf, is that its true immortality. The phoenix is the ever living bird. You can kill it, but akin to DD, it will resurrect.

Well it seems I have had the anti-monitor and Imperiex mixed up for some time.

But still, Imperiex destroyed a universe on panel, PF has done no such thing, going by on panel feats Imperiex>PF.

P.S. I don't read the comics, I learn what I know about comics from others.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Jesse, now i know you aren't reading the comics you're debating. Imperiex is simply the big bang. The guy you just described, is the Antimonitor. Try harder.

And X, the whole point of the pf, is that its true immortality. The phoenix is the ever living bird. You can kill it, but akin to DD, it will resurrect. Referring to forum rules if she takes 150 years to resurrect I'd say she loses.

since the phoenix force can rebirth itself after every death and imperiex's energy can only be dissipated not destroyed...then its goin to be pretty hard for either to win this fight

too many celestials..head exploding with rage

Originally posted by Mr Master


Second: Phoenix Force has never done (on panel) anything more than REPAIR a Universe(she didn't even restructure it as some would have you believe)nono
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7369/nxm154219hy1xa9qx.th.jpg
Impressive no doubt but who ever says that this scan implies anything else rather than her just Fixing a universe is full of shit.

Ive addressed this previously and will not do so again. After fatally wounding 616 by casually cutting away its future

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=7/18209533321.jpg&s=f5

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=7/18209545011.jpg&s=f5

Phoenix went about restructuring/repairing 616 in the palm of her hand demonstrating control of the universe in its totality right down to the sub atomic. That is the crux of the matter. Nitpicking about whether i term the feat repairing or restructuring is irrelevant as that doesnt change that point. I hope you understand that now.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Her other major feat was repairing the Mkraan Crystal...which also was a Universal feat.
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1361/mkraancrystalevent8lt.th.jpg

The crystal is a multiversal force. When it is tampered with in one reality a wave of power sweeps across the multiverse blinking out reality after reality eventually causing all realities to collapse. Phoenixes actions halted this wave, effectively saving the entire multiverse.

Highlighting the fact that the crystal only got to effect 616 and then trying to refer to that as a universal feat is a futile exercise given that

a) That was only the case because of Phoenixes intervention

b) There is only one crystal, the wave of energy stems from one source, so whether Phoenix contained the power in 616 or after it had passed through another reality it is irrelevant. The power she contained was multiversal and can and has wiped out the multiverse. Multiversal feat.


This same crystal was considered by Pre retcon Beyonder (Uncanny X-men 203) to have the power to revert him back to his primal state.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7/19511393773.jpg&s=f10

Given that the crystal has on panel been shown (X-men adventures 12) destroying the previous multiverse and going by Beyonders anger when Rachel decided not to use the crystal to end his time as a physical being there is no reason to doubt Beyonders opinion of the crystals power. All in all Phoenixes containment of the power is with that in mind made to look even more impressive.

Personally, I'd say Galactus>Abstracts. And Abraxas went an a multiversal Galactus killing spree...

Originally posted by rotiart
Personally, I'd say Galactus>Abstracts. And Abraxas went an a multiversal Galactus killing spree...

Galactus is cocnlusively NOT greater than the abstracts as stated and depicted on panel many a time. Abraxas going around the multiverse killing alternate Galactuses is not justification for him being positioned above the abstracts. Especially when he was birthed from Eternity.

a fully feed Galactus is Eternity,Infinity, Death level

hes blow LT but above abstracts like Chaos, Order.....