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For those who saw the episode, do you feel that comedy central did the right thing blocking the cartoon image of him out, or do you agree that its not right because that shows disticntion form whats ok to be made fun of and what isnt. My personal belief is that Trey Parker and Matt Stone had evry right to show that image of him and comedy central was totally wrong.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
For those who saw the episode, do you feel that comedy central did the right thing blocking the cartoon image of him out, or do you agree that its not right because that shows disticntion form whats ok to be made fun of and what isnt. My personal belief is that Trey Parker and Matt Stone had evry right to show that image of him and comedy central was totally wrong.

I personally think that morally it is wrong to portray him in that manner, due to the beliefs of those that are Muslim. That being said...

I think it is wrong to take offense to something you may or may not choose to watch. I think that Muslims should avoid watching the episode, and speak out against the show if they don't like it.

I think that equal consideration for religious views should be practiced. I consider the humour that is used about my faith and other faiths is just as disrespectful as that presented in respect to Islam. I think that given what they have allowed concerning other religions the episode should not have been edited. It shows deference to the Islamic beliefs over other beliefs.

Like I stated earlier, if someone would be offended they didn't have to watch.

**** Muhammad, freedom of speech> some stupid religious belief. What's really funny about this whole thing is Comedy Central allowed South Park to show the character of Muhammad on an episode years ago. And no one cared at all. Now because some dumbass extremists they don't allow the same exact thing to be shown, really stupid on their part. I was really disapointed that Comedy Central pussed out on that episode. Of course, showing their genius once again, Trey and Matt totally showned how idiotic the channels decision was by, rather than showing Muhammad giving Peter Griffin a football and nothing more, having Jesus Christ shitting all over the American flag and George Bush, something much more offensive to any reasonable person.

Any religion that tries to impose their beliefs on others by condemning freedom and speech, and inherently disrespecting those countries that believe in freedom of speech in the process, aren't worth respect themselves.

Yea, while censorship is bad, the South Park guys have a habit of making things that they had censored more offensive and more funny.

Originally posted by Regret
I personally think that morally it is wrong to portray him in that manner, due to the beliefs of those that are Muslim. That being said...

I think it is wrong to take offense to something you may or may not choose to watch. I think that Muslims should avoid watching the episode, and speak out against the show if they don't like it.

I think that equal consideration for religious views should be practiced. I consider the humour that is used about my faith and other faiths is just as disrespectful as that presented in respect to Islam. I think that given what they have allowed concerning other religions the episode should not have been edited. It shows deference to the Islamic beliefs over other beliefs.

Like I stated earlier, if someone would be offended they didn't have to watch.

I agree it is disrespectful, however, they do have every right to do that because fo freedom of speech. Like you said no one has to watch it and im not sure if u watched it, but it wasn't so much as showing mohammad, but more or less trying to express freedom of speech to the fullest extent. Maybe it could ahve been done so it woudlnt be as offensive, but sometimes i think that radical stance needs to be taken especially when people get persecuted for doing it liek the danish man who made the political cartoon with mohammad(the basis of this south park episode)

To backfire, the episode with the super friends is what ur talkign about, which i also saw. I think it is also stupid that they could show him at that time, but because the middle east is in a frenzy, they can't. Absoultely wrong, comedy central is totally wrong

The Muhammad case isn't as bad as the Tom Cruise parody. The guy thinks he is so important that putting him on a cartoon and mock him is outrageous...yeah, Tom is an even bigger douche bag than an Islamic extremist.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
I agree it is disrespectful, however, they do have every right to do that because fo freedom of speech. Like you said no one has to watch it and im not sure if u watched it, but it wasn't so much as showing mohammad, but more or less trying to express freedom of speech to the fullest extent. Maybe it could ahve been done so it woudlnt be as offensive, but sometimes i think that radical stance needs to be taken especially when people get persecuted for doing it liek the danish man who made the political cartoon with mohammad(the basis of this south park episode)

I think that the Islamic world needs to be more tolerant of people that don't believe as they do, well, they and Jesusisalive...

Anywho, they need to take a chill pill. They do all sorts of things that everyone else could get upset about, if they can do things that are offensive to others (e.g. American Flag burning, Holocaust denial, their statements concerning Jews, etc.) then they should shut up when others do similar to them.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The Muhammad case isn't as bad as the Tom Cruise parody. The guy thinks he is so important that putting him on a cartoon and mock him is outrageous...yeah, Tom is an even bigger douche bag than an Islamic extremist.
and that was one of the funniest episodes ever! I'm glad I downloaded it. Now I can watch it whenever I want...

your absolutely right regret, its ridiculous that they can do such degradign things to israelis and the US, and then complain about what we do that offends them. We need to get that iranian president out of there, becuz hes more radical than any other leader over in any of those countries right now. China and Russia are such a problem though becuz they support Iran. I just saw a news report today saying hes sent advisors to hezbollah in support of that conflcit with israel. I think sooner or later it may become an all out war with iran and possibly syria

It's a TV show no one makes anybody tune in at the time the show is on. Simple: If think you might be offended and don't want to get offended don't watch it.

Tom Cruise is crazy.shocking

Don't be so concerned about upsetting people who have it in for you. We can't disrespect Islam because we don't want upstanding Islamic citizens to feel like they're being discriminated against. But there's nothing wrong with stereotyping gays, or christians or black people. In all reality, if there are members of Islam in this country that are so offended by this that the Comedy Central execs need to cater to them personally, then they take themselves too seriously. Just like Christian fundamentalists.

I believe in free speech, but I don't think the Islamic world need further inflaming right now. We are already doing a good enough job .

well, jews and eastern christians don't go nuts when god and jesus are portrayed. Plus, wasn't there an episode before that where he was on a superhero team and he could shoot fire?

Shit, the inbred fanatical retards who claim to speak for muslims are also leading "jihads" against a half persian, half norwegian supermodel named aylar die cause she did three porn films. I'm not even sure if she's muslim either.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
well, jews and eastern christians don't go nuts when god and jesus are portrayed. Plus, wasn't there an episode before that where he was on a superhero team and he could shoot fire?

Thats because jews and christians are allowed to show pictures or protray in gods case an image of his being, however, mohammad is not to be portrayed in a picture in the islamic faith and yes there was a superfriends episode with mohammad and no one complained abotu that

well as long as south park balances everything out and not bashing one religion over another then it is ok.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
For those who saw the episode, do you feel that comedy central did the right thing blocking the cartoon image of him out, or do you agree that its not right because that shows disticntion form whats ok to be made fun of and what isnt. My personal belief is that Trey Parker and Matt Stone had evry right to show that image of him and comedy central was totally wrong. Dude, it was a joke.

actually, jews and christians aren't allowed to portray god and this was most ferverently followed by the eastern church and by orthodox jews

if they direspected something like buddhism it might be a little offensive as there isnt much bad in it. islam on the other hand is a relegion which quite openly condemns others and is clearly against human rights, therefore i dont think an institution that condemns other people themselves has the right to say that sum1 else shud not condemn it.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Dude, it was a joke.

I wouldn't say it was a joke because they were tryign to make a point about freedom of speech, which I thought was cleverly done by the writers. They do make fun of everything in that show, but in this case it was only about freedom of speech, not necessarily an attack on islam.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
if they direspected something like buddhism it might be a little offensive as there isnt much bad in it. islam on the other hand is a relegion which quite openly condemns others and is clearly against human rights, therefore i dont think an institution that condemns other people themselves has the right to say that sum1 else shud not condemn it.

They make fun of everybody, stereotypes of race, religion, movies, actors, bands, etc. It may be offensive to some people, but I really haven't seen anythign real horrible and degrading yet.

Slightly off topic: It has been a long time since I watched South Park, I heard that the voice of Chef left after all that Scientology who-ha. Is this true?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Slightly off topic: It has been a long time since I watched South Park, I heard that the voice of Chef left after all that Scientology who-ha. Is this true?

Yeah


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Hayes


Originally posted by lord xyz
Dude, it was a joke.

I thought so too first. But apparently Comedy Central actually censored it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_Wars_Part_II

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Slightly off topic: It has been a long time since I watched South Park, I heard that the voice of Chef left after all that Scientology who-ha. Is this true?

They made an episode afterwards that implied scientology messed with Isaac Hayes mind by using chef as his representation and chef joining the super adventure club (dedicated to molesting boys aroudn the world). It was hilarious and an excellent metaphor to the that situation.

Freedom of speech is a good thing, but only for the point when it offends somebody. Try to doubt holocaust and you'll gonna end up in jail, because it offends relatives of people that died, same here. It may offend people's beliefes.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Freedom of speech is a good thing, but only for the point when it offends somebody. Try to doubt holocaust and you'll gonna end up in jail, because it offends relatives of people that died, same here. It may offend people's beliefes.

Then its not freedom of speech. If you start dsitinguishing wrong from right then everything has to be accounted for, I understand that you look at a majority of people who are offended, but if your going to respect them then you have to respect everone else who is offended by whatever.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Freedom of speech is a good thing, but only for the point when it offends somebody. Try to doubt holocaust and you'll gonna end up in jail, because it offends relatives of people that died, same here. It may offend people's beliefes.

That sounds like fascism buddy.

There's a big distinction between protected speech and hate speech. You can say anything you want on tv as long as it doesn't incite people to panic or violence. Or use words like *******, taint, ****, **** ****, mother****er, cock, cockersucker, pussy, dick, dickface, dickhole, or any such variants on most channels.

or in translation (relative to phoenetics)-Yibbat, trahatsah, hooiy, piezdets, sukha, i ves votetet maht nelyzah arraht po televizaroo, ponehl?

Originally posted by Sam Z
Freedom of speech is a good thing, but only for the point when it offends somebody. Try to doubt holocaust and you'll gonna end up in jail, because it offends relatives of people that died, same here. It may offend people's beliefes.

Well, I am offended by people saying they like coffee, will that get banned as well?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, I am offended by people saying they like coffee, will that get banned as well?

Ofcourse.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
Then its not freedom of speech. If you start dsitinguishing wrong from right then everything has to be accounted for, I understand that you look at a majority of people who are offended, but if your going to respect them then you have to respect everone else who is offended by whatever.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
That sounds like fascism buddy.

There's a big distinction between protected speech and hate speech. You can say anything you want on tv as long as it doesn't incite people to panic or violence. Or use words like *******, taint, ****, **** ****, mother****er, cock, cockersucker, pussy, dick, dickface, dickhole, or any such variants on most channels.

or in translation (relative to phoenetics)-Yibbat, trahatsah, hooiy, piezdets, sukha, i ves votetet maht nelyzah arraht po televizaroo, ponehl?

Then how about Da vinci code?
When they made a movie christians in the whole world started protesting, what's the differance?
I actually like South park and don't care much if they laugh at all religions because it's just a cartoon but when they make caricatures of prophet in newspappers it's a differant thing.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Then how about Da vinci code?
When they made a movie christians in the whole world started protesting, what's the differance?
I actually like South park and don't care much if they laugh at all religions because it's just a cartoon but when they make caricatures of prophet in newspappers it's a differant thing.

There was nothign wrong with the da vinci code, its a story and people who are offended don't have to see the movie or read the book. Your right there is no difference and I think the christians protestign it are proabbaly more ridiculous than the cartoon image of mohammad because the story isn't even factual. This coming from a catholic which the da vinci code basically ridiculed the church and said there was a big cover up. They weren't trying to make fun of mohammad, just depict him which in Islam is not allowed. The difference between making fun of anyone else and muslims is that everyoen else doesn't have massive riots. They make fun of homosexuals often with the character mr. slave and had homosexuals started rioting in the streets about that, do you thinkt hen it would be wrong to show it on tv. Obviously comedy central felt that way. Since thousands of muslims protested that guy in denmark, it means it isn't right to show moahammad. Its hypocrisy at its best.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Ofcourse.

I also am offended by people saying "of course", I want it to be banned and I want an apology.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I also am offended by people saying "of course", I want it to be banned and I want an apology.

Sorry.
If it makes you sleep better at night...

Originally posted by Sam Z
Sorry.
If it makes you sleep better at night...

I am offended by peopel that apologize. And by people that use sarcasm. And by people that use the word "night". Dude, where should it stop?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am offended by peopel that apologize. And by people that use sarcasm. And by people that use the word "night". Dude, where should it stop?

So first you want me to apologize and then you get offend?
Gues what, Muslims never asked newspappers to make Muhammad's caricatures.
So if someone desides to doubt holocaust it is a crime and freedom of speech doesn't work here. but making fun of people's beliefes is just fine?

Originally posted by Sam Z
So first you want me to apologize and then you get offend?
Gues what, Muslims never asked newspappers to make Muhammad's caricatures.
So if someone desides to doubt holocaust it is a crime and freedom of speech doesn't work here. but making fun of people's beliefes is just fine?

Well, both should be allowed. Just because someone gets offended doesn't mean it should be banned. That's why it's called Freedom of Speech and not "You can say what you want as log as you offend NO ONE"...you know?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, both should be allowed. Just because someone gets offended doesn't mean it should be banned. That's why it's called Freedom of Speech and not "You can say what you want as log as you offend NO ONE"...you know?

So if you call somebody "b!tch", "f!@ker", "c!@ksucker" etc it is just fine because you have freedom of speech?
If somebody calls you so, you have right to sew him for morally insulting you. There is no differance between insulting you or your beliefes.

Or just kick his ass.

Originally posted by Sam Z
So if you call somebody "b!tch", "f!@ker", "c!@ksucker" etc it is just fine because you have freedom of speech?
If somebody calls you so, you have right to sew him for morally insulting you. There is no differance between insulting you or your beliefes.

Really, where would you stop it? And how?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Really, where would you stop it? And how?

Stop it? If someone called me so i would do as Quiero Mota suggested.
But it still means that freedom of speech in society works only to the point where it offends somebody because when it does offends you, you have a right to sew for it.
Or you support idea of freedom of speech nomatter of what?

Originally posted by Sam Z
Stop it? If someone called me so i would do as Quiero Mota suggested.
But it still means that freedom of speech in society works only to the point where it offends somebody because when it does offends you, you have a right to sew for it.
Or you support idea of freedom of speech nomatter of what? But almost all thing offend somebody in some way.

I support the idea of freedom of speech no matter what. Of course ordering harm to others is not covered by that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But almost all thing offend somebody in some way.

I support the idea of freedom of speech no matter what. Of course ordering harm to others is not covered by that.

Yes, almost all things offend somebody in some way but people usually don't go with such things on public like in newspappers or on the news.

Originally posted by Sam Z
So if you call somebody "b!tch", "f!@ker", "c!@ksucker" etc it is just fine because you have freedom of speech?
If somebody calls you so, you have right to sew him for morally insulting you. There is no differance between insulting you or your beliefes.

Yes it is fine.

Yea but keep in mind sueing is civil law not criminal law. He couldn't be charged in criminal court but in civil court he may lose because of emotional trauma or whatever dumb excuse. In civil law your not protected by anything really as far as your constitutional rights

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
Yes it is fine.

Yea but keep in mind sueing is civil law not criminal law. He couldn't be charged in criminal court but in civil court he may lose because of emotional trauma or whatever dumb excuse. In civil law your not protected by anything really as far as your constitutional rights

Well, yes. But why is swearing and doubting holocaust are concidered as givving an emotional trauma or insult but making a caricature of prophet isn't? Especially since it obviously offends muslims?

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yes, almost all things offend somebody in some way but people usually don't go with such things on public like in newspappers or on the news.

Well, I'd say almost every news article offends someone in some way. Should they all be banned?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, I'd say almost every news article offends someone in some way. Should they all be banned?

Give example.
If news say that there are 50 people died in Lebanon noone is going to get offend because it is a fact, but when someone say "all muslims are terrorists and must be executed" and make caricature of prophet that looks like a butcher it clealry would offend an entire muslim comunity, and that is not better than swearing or doubting holocaust and must also be investigated by civil court.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Give example.
If news say that there are 50 people died in Lebanon noone is going to get offend because it is a fact, but when someone say "all muslims are terrorists and must be executed" and make caricature of prophet that looks like a butcher it clealry would offend an entire muslim comunity, and that is not better than swearing or doubting holocaust and must also be investigated by civil court. Swearing and doubting the holocaust should not be banned either.

And I didn't mean the news, sorry, I meant the opinions and such that News usually feature.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Swearing and doubting the holocaust should not be banned either.

And I didn't mean the news, sorry, I meant the opinions and such that News usually feature.

It mustn't be baned but must be punished by civil court,
if someone swears at you I believe you would brake his nose but there are people that could not protect themselves and their rights and believes by their own, so that is what courts are for.

Well, there is nothing we could do to change people's opinion but quoting some people's opinions and insulting people on the news because of your personal hatred are two differant things.

Originally posted by Sam Z
It mustn't be baned but must be punished by civil court,
if someone swears at you I believe you would brake his nose but there are people that could not protect themselves and their rights and believes by their own, so that is what courts are for.

Well, there is nothing we could do to change people's opinion but quoting some people's opinions and insulting people on the news because of your personal hatred are two differant things.


I doubt I would even break their nose. So what if someone swwears at me. The problem is when it not what is said is the problem but how, like if you are repeatedly bothered while eating or something.


But Cartoons are a very common way of expressing ones opinion in our culture and just because now it is about one certain beleif shouldn't mean it should be banned.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Well, yes. But why is swearing and doubting holocaust are concidered as givving an emotional trauma or insult but making a caricature of prophet isn't? Especially since it obviously offends muslims?

I believe it is emotional for those people, but these people weren't directly forced to see it. Like if your offended about what happens on the jerry springer show, then just don't watch. It would be different if people were walking up to the muslims holding pictures of mohammad. That I could see them being more outraged, but not a tv show that they weren't directly forced to watch.

A good analogy would be porn. Some people liek to look at it, but the people who are offended by it don't have to get playboys. If people walked around with that magazine open just throwing it in peoples faces to look at it, thats a lot different than just having the option

Originally posted by BackFire
**** Muhammad, freedom of speech> some stupid religious belief. What's really funny about this whole thing is Comedy Central allowed South Park to show the character of Muhammad on an episode years ago. And no one cared at all. Now because some dumbass extremists they don't allow the same exact thing to be shown, really stupid on their part. I was really disapointed that Comedy Central pussed out on that episode. Of course, showing their genius once again, Trey and Matt totally showned how idiotic the channels decision was by, rather than showing Muhammad giving Peter Griffin a football and nothing more, having Jesus Christ shitting all over the American flag and George Bush, something much more offensive to any reasonable person.

Any religion that tries to impose their beliefs on others by condemning freedom and speech, and inherently disrespecting those countries that believe in freedom of speech in the process, aren't worth respect themselves. Hear Hear man!

Originally posted by Bardock42
I doubt I would even break their nose. So what if someone swwears at me. The problem is when it not what is said is the problem but how, like if you are repeatedly bothered while eating or something.


But Cartoons are a very common way of expressing ones opinion in our culture and just because now it is about one certain beleif shouldn't mean it should be banned.

It is not one certain belief, and expressing someone's opinion and making fun of entire religion by making caricatures are not the same things, especially since everybody know that muslims believe that painting prophets is a great sin because you can't tell for sure how they looked like.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
A good analogy would be porn. Some people liek to look at it, but the people who are offended by it don't have to get playboys. If people walked around with that magazine open just throwing it in peoples faces to look at it, thats a lot different than just having the option


So if I, in newspapper insult culture of million people it would be ok, only because I don't force them to read it? It was obvious that it would offend them and was obvious that they would see it sooner or later, and i can't think of group of million people that is offened by porn.

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
Hear Hear man!


By this brilliant logic doubting holocaust and swearing at people must be a fine thing because we all have freedom of speech and problems and beliefs of others must not be imposed on us. He doesn't see the differance between freedom to say anything you want and insulting people's beliefs on public because of your own hatred, I'm not talking about south park now but about caricatures.