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Wendigo with a strong host runs a guantlet on his home terf.

1. Wolverine
2. Sabretooth
3. Thanos
4. DD
5. Galactus(full power)physically
6. Pre-Crisis Supes
7. Abomination
8. JUggernaut
9. Alpha Male Predator
10. Current Savage Hulk

Does he survive?

Originally posted by hulkrulz
Wendigo with a strong host runs a guantlet on his home terf.

1. Wolverine
2. Sabretooth
3. Thanos
4. DD
5. Galactus(full power)physically
6. Pre-Crisis Supes
7. Abomination
8. JUggernaut
9. Alpha Male Predator
10. Current Savage Hulk

Does he survive? what the hell is this, galactus and thanos below hulk!?!?!?!?!?

This Gauntlet is messed up big time!

1. DD
2. Wolverine
3. Sabertooth
4. Alpha Male Predator
5. Abomination
6. Current Savage Hulk
7. Classic Juggernaut
8. Pre-Crisis Superman
9. Thanos
10. Galactus(full power)physically

Fixed

Originally posted by Grimm22
1. DD
2. Wolverine
3. Sabertooth
4. Alpha Male Predator
5. Abomination
6. Current Savage Hulk
7. Classic Juggernaut
8. Pre-Crisis Superman
9. Thanos
10. Galactus(full power)physically

Fixed

That seems about right. And which Wendigo are we talking about?

Hell,Sabretooth already has a Wendigo coat .So he gets to 2(only if Wolverine decides to take the day off)

One version of Wendigo was said by Dr.Strange he wasn't even sure if he could beat him.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
One version of Wendigo was said by Dr.Strange he wasn't even sure if he could beat him. Strange can be very insecure sometimes.

Storm says she can make sun lasers.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Strange can be very insecure sometimes.

Storm says she can make sun lasers.

Well it's Mauvais, the guy who battled with the Sorcessor Supreme before Strange so no it's not him being insecure.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Strange can be very insecure sometimes.

Storm says she can make sun lasers.


she can ........but anyway he beats Logan then gets owned by Creed

Well what version is this? class, Mutant X? Mauvais? etc.?

Originally posted by Grimm22
1. DD
2. Wolverine
3. Sabertooth
4. Alpha Male Predator
5. Abomination
6. Current Savage Hulk
7. Classic Juggernaut
8. Pre-Crisis Superman
9. Thanos
10. Galactus(full power)physically

Fixed

wendingo reaches abomination and stalemates but hulk kills wendigo

Originally posted by unknowable
wendingo reaches abomination and stalemates but hulk kills wendigo

Hulk has never killed him, each time he has needed help to defeat him and that was classic Wendigo.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Hulk has never killed him, each time he has needed help to defeat him and that was classic Wendigo.

my bad, theres a retcon?

tell me about him.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Hulk has never killed him, each time he has needed help to defeat him and that was classic Wendigo.

But Wendigo is certainly killable. And as Classic Hulk, he didn't necessarily need the help, he just had it. Come on, Wendigo is a high class brawler but he ain't the Hulk.

Originally posted by unknowable
my bad, theres a retcon?

tell me about him.

Well basically the new Wendigo, which is imprisoned had a sorcessor as a host, named Mauvais. He was so strong even Dr.Strange was unsure if he could beat him

Mauvais: http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Mauvais

This is the strongest physically Wendigo, as well as smartest and with magical powers that rival Dr.Strange

Originally posted by Dinalfos
But Wendigo is certainly killable. And as Classic Hulk, he didn't necessarily need the help, he just had it. Come on, Wendigo is a high class brawler but he ain't the Hulk.

Actually he is unkillable.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/wendigo.jpg

The Sabertooth battle was HORRIBLY written and I mean horrible. Stuff that shouldn't have been possible did happen.

and every time Wendigo was statelmating each group of people against him.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually he is unkillable.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/wendigo.jpg

The Sabertooth battle was HORRIBLY written and I mean horrible. Stuff that shouldn't have been possible did happen.

and every time Wendigo was statelmating each group of people against him.

He can be killed by ripping his heart out. Furthermore, it really depends on the type of wendigo. Some of them can be deeply wounded by simple gunshots, like the one in Todd McFarlane's run on Spiderman.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
He can be killed by ripping his heart out. Furthermore, it really depends on the type of wendigo. Some of them can be deeply wounded by simple gunshots, like the one in Todd McFarlane's run on Spiderman.

The Wendigo is immortal, you kill his host he comes back in another body instantly. That Wendigo was even a peace caring Wendigo, it was garbage. Wendigo in all his apperances has been equal with Hulk in strength and needed the extra person to finish it.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The Wendigo is immortal, you kill his host he comes back in another body instantly. That Wendigo was even a peace caring Wendigo, it was garbage. Wendigo in all his apperances has been equal with Hulk in strength and needed the extra person to finish it.

You can't be equal to Hulk in strength if you have a set strength level. Wendigo(at least the conventional ones) can only hurt the Hulk up to a certain point. He then gets pissed and starts dishing out. Wendigo wouldn't be able to hurt him anymore, whereas Hulk can find a way. The Hulk is also a lot faster.

And yes, if you kill his host he comes back in another body. But still, that body has to be nearby if the fight is to continue.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well basically the new Wendigo, which is imprisoned had a sorcessor as a host, named Mauvais. He was so strong even Dr.Strange was unsure if he could beat him

Mauvais: http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Mauvais

This is the strongest physically Wendigo, as well as smartest and with magical powers that rival Dr.Strange

i read that

but i'm not convinced that guy rivals dr strange because of a quote.
he was not sure, did he find out for sure?

and his known powers are not off the scale like strange's either.

thoughts?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You can't be equal to Hulk in strength if you have a set strength level. Wendigo(at least the conventional ones) can only hurt the Hulk up to a certain point. He then gets pissed and starts dishing out. Wendigo wouldn't be able to hurt him anymore, whereas Hulk can find a way. The Hulk is also a lot faster.

And yes, if you kill his host he comes back in another body. But still, that body has to be nearby if the fight is to continue.

It was stated as much, and actually the more flesh he eats the stronger he becomes. No he isn't faster, once in all his apperances they were equal in strength and speed but he still needed another person to finish him off.

Not by the rules of the board, if they can return to the battlefield on their own power the fight continues.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
It was stated as much, and actually the more flesh he eats the stronger he becomes. No he isn't faster, once in all his apperances they were equal in strength and speed but he still needed another person to finish him off.

Not by the rules of the board, if they can return to the battlefield on their own power the fight continues.

If Wendigo is anything like his bio states, then he can't begin to equal the Hulk.

Anyway, since Wendigo isn't really a stand alone character, I suppose defeating one does count as a win. Yes, he comes back, but that's not exactly the same thing as actually awaking from death all by yourself. There would have to be cannibals around for him to reemerge.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
If Wendigo is anything like his bio states, then he can't begin to equal the Hulk.

Anyway, since Wendigo isn't really a stand alone character, I suppose defeating one does count as a win. Yes, he comes back, but that's not exactly the same thing as actually awaking from death all by yourself. There would have to be cannibals around for him to reemerge.


What bio are you reading? and do you want me to actually post the comic book scans that actually state they were equal?

Well which Wendigo is this? if it's Earth X they don't stand much a chance or Mauvias. Also it's not just cannibals, it can even be by accident or in survival.

Originally posted by unknowable
i read that

but i'm not convinced that guy rivals dr strange because of a quote.
he was not sure, did he find out for sure?

and his known powers are not off the scale like strange's either.

thoughts?

He has fought the sorcessor supreme before strange and he needed help by the Northern Gods to imprison him.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
What bio are you reading? and do you want me to actually post the comic book scans that actually state they were equal?

Well which Wendigo is this? if it's Earth X they don't stand much a chance or Mauvias. Also it's not just cannibals, it can even be by accident or in survival.

How can you be equal to someone who's strength level can skyrocket withing seconds? It would seem like poor writing to me. But yes, I would like to see it in its exact context.

Still, what are the odds that would happen? I mean, it could, but it won't last too long.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
How can you be equal to someone who's strength level can skyrocket withing seconds? It would seem like poor writing to me.

Still, what are the odds?

Right I doubt that...all three fights against the Hulk it was the exact same outcome, they were equal but needed aid to finish the fight. It's not poor writing when it's stated in the comics that they are equal and shown.

Slim to none actually or you mean cannabilsm? actually quite high
============
DD
2. Wolverine
3. Sabertooth
4. Alpha Male Predator
5. Abomination
6. Current Savage Hulk
7. Classic Juggernaut
8. Pre-Crisis Superman
9. Thanos
10. Galactus(full power)physically

I say he stops at 7 as he won't harm Jugz unless this is Mauvais.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Right I doubt that...all three fights against the Hulk it was the exact same outcome, they were equal but needed aid to finish the fight. It's not poor writing when it's stated in the comics that they are equal and shown.

Slim to none actually or you mean cannabilsm? actually quite high

I've seen most of the fights. Spiderman also unnecessarily stalemates foes far below his level. You just can't be equal to something that fluctuates more often than not. It would conflict the nature of the Hulk character.

Somehow I really doubt that Wendigo's respawing will result in a never ending battle. Unless the curse can affect animals as well.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I've seen most of the fights. Spiderman also unnecessarily stalemates foes far below his level. You just can't be equal to something that fluctuates more often than not. It would conflict the nature of the Hulk character.

Somehow I really doubt that Wendigo's respawing will result in a never ending battle. Unless the curse can affect animals as well.

If you actually have you would have read the two brutes hit with equal force and that they were equal..ya da da da. It's stated for a fact, you might not like it however, in all his apperances he was shown to be equal and once again to finish the fight needed aid, wether it be Wolverine, Sasquatch or Captain Marvel.

Actually cannabilism is a common occurance throughout the world actually, all he needs is just one person in Canada. Well the incarnation that fought Captain Marvel and the Hulk the curse was transfered to a fish.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
If you actually have you would have read the two brutes hit with equal force and that they were equal..ya da da da. It's stated for a fact, you might not like it however, in all his apperances he was shown to be equal and once again to finish the fight needed aid, wether it be Wolverine, Sasquatch or Captain Marvel.

Actually cannabilism is a common occurance throughout the world actually, all he needs is just one person in Canada. Well the incarnation that fought Captain Marvel and the Hulk the curse was transfered to a fish.

Post the scans. I believe that it happened on panel, but I want to judge for myself. You must remember that these fights are also supposed to be CIS and PIS free.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Post the scans. I believe that it happened on panel, but I want to judge for myself. You must remember that these fights are also supposed to be CIS and PIS free.

Which fight, and so you havn't actually read the fights then have you?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Which fight, and so you havn't actually read the fights then have you?

I'm sure I have read them. But I can't remember everything since I pretty much read everything. Anyway, the Banner-Hulk fight doesn't really count.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I'm sure I have read them. But I can't remember everything since I pretty much read everything. Anyway, the Banner-Hulk fight doesn't really count.

Fight 1: Savage Hulk w/Wolverine vs. Wendigo
Fight 2: Intelligent Hulk w/Sasquatch vs. Wendigo
Fight 3: Hulk w/Captain Marvel vs. Wendigo

Which?

In the Captain Marvel issue, they both happen to fight him. It also wasn't Savage Hulk.

The only fight that points towards your theory is the one with Wolverine. But Wolverine was filling. He was really unneeded. And again, the issue conflicts the Hulk's character. Sure he can take a lot, he's very durable. But not durable enough for a pissed Hulk. And Hulk didn't seem too pissed or viscious in that fight, if I remember correctly.

But I´d like to see the Wolverine fight again.

Here's just a few scans from their first confrontation, and this was before he fully became Wendigo fully unleashed and when his humanity was holding back:
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-162-08.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-162-09.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-162-10.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-162-11.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-162-12.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-162-14.jpg
7. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-162-15.jpg
8. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-162-16.jpg
9. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-162-17.jpg
10. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-162-18.jpg
11. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-162-19.jpg
12. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-162-20.jpg

I'll get the other scans either tonight or tommorow.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
In the Captain Marvel issue, they both happen to fight him. It also wasn't Savage Hulk.

The only fight that points towards your theory is the one with Wolverine. But Wolverine was filling. He was really unneeded. And again, the issue conflicts the Hulk's character. Sure he can take a lot, he's very durable. But not durable enough for a pissed Hulk. And Hulk didn't seem too pissed or viscious in that fight, if I remember correctly.

But I´d like to see the Wolverine fight again.

but Captain Marvel and the Hulk fought him at the same time.

Wolverine interupted the fight and they worked together to beat him. Actually all his fights he is pissed off

Hulk confrontation #2
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-180-13.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-180-14.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-180-15.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-180-16.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-180-17.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-180-18.jpg

Just as I figured, the last fight makes no sense. I remember it now. The Hulk wasn't raving mad pissed. He was angry, but not THAT angry. The Hulk will become enraged when something happens that hits home emotionally or when he realizes his enemy can't be defeated with his normal strength.

And if he was, it doesn't make sense. Maybe the Hulk enjoys a good battle, eventhough he says he doesn't? But seriously, the first fight you showed had Hulk increase his strength towards the end of it. Wendigo then struck him when he was calming down. The Hulk could've finished the fight if he wanted to.

And why in godsname would the Hulk need Wolverine? What does he add except forceless strikes with his claws? Again, this is a fight without PIS or CIS.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Just as I figured, the last fight makes no sense. I remember it now. The Hulk wasn't raving mad pissed. He was angry, but not THAT angry. The Hulk will become enraged when something happens that hits home emotionally or when he realizes his enemy can't be defeated with his normal strength.

And if he was, it doesn't make sense. Maybe the Hulk enjoys a good battle, eventhough he says he doesn't? But seriously, the first fight you showed had Hulk increase his strength towards the end of it. Wendigo then struck him when he was calming down. The Hulk could've finished the fight if he wanted to.

And why in godsname would the Hulk need Wolverine? What does he add except forceless strikes with his claws? Again, this is a fight without PIS or CIS.

Wasn't raving mad? you nuts? both were dealing blows that said "would crush a mountain". He even hulked out in the first confronation and Wendigo was none the worse for wear and it was still a Wendigo that was actually holding back as he was still part human.

Highly unliklely as I have over 200 apperances of the Hulk, as he is my brother's favorite character and this is a exact typical fight as any other. Hulk was even the one who started the second fight, when the Wendigo was calm and summoned by magic.

Ummmm....the scans I showed had no PIS or CIS, I'm not sure you fully grasp the concept

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wasn't raving mad? you nuts? both were dealing blows that said "would crush a mountain". He even hulked out in the first confronation and Wendigo was none the worse for wear and it was still a Wendigo that was actually holding back as he was still part human.

Highly unliklely as I have over 200 apperances of the Hulk, as he is my brother's favorite character and this is a exact typical fight as any other. Hulk was even the one who started the second fight, when the Wendigo was calm and summoned by magic.

Ummmm....the scans I showed had no PIS or CIS, I'm not sure you fully grasp the concept

No, he wasn't raving mad. If he was, they wouldn't be trading blows. Wendigo cannot stand up to strength that keeps increasing. Especially since Wendigo and Hulk apparantly start out on more or less the same level. If Wendigo is immortal, then Hulk's strength would've gone up far quicker, since he simply can't handle someone not bowing to him in a fight. That's just the nature of the beast. That leads me to believe that Hulk was not that enraged. A bit riled up, perhaps a bit pissed, but not enraged. Either that, or the writer simply doesn't understand the concept of the Hulk's physiology. Or he simply doesn't care too much about consistency and was trying to make it an even match. Again, these Forum fights are supposed to be PIS/CIS/Jobbing free, unless stated otherwise.

Yes, Hulk started the second fight. But remember that he wasn't out to kill or Kayoe Wendigo. He almost never is. Dalak said it in another thread: Hulk wants to prove that he is the strongest or that he can overcome all odds. If he can prove that by someone accepting his defeat while remaining conscious or beating that person unconscious doesn't really matter to Hulk. Although he'd rather have that person to be awake so that he can make a lasting impression on him. The thing he wants the most ist that his enemies stop bothering him or the ones he loves/cares about. A bloodlusted Hulk is a rarity and wouldn't be concerned with strength tests.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
No, he wasn't raving mad. If he was, they wouldn't be trading blows. Wendigo cannot stand up to strength that keeps increasing. Especially since Wendigo and Hulk apparantly start out on more or less the same level. If Wendigo is immortal, then Hulk's strength would've gone up far quicker, since he simply can't handle someone not bowing to him in a fight. That's just the nature of the beast. That leads me to believe that Hulk was not that enraged. A bit riled up, perhaps a bit pissed, but not enraged. Either that, or the writer simply doesn't understand the concept of the Hulk's physiology. Or he simply doesn't care too much about consistency and was trying to make it an even match. Again, these Forum fights are supposed to be PIS/CIS/Jobbing free, unless stated otherwise.

Yes, Hulk started the second fight. But remember that he wasn't out to kill or Kayoe Wendigo. He almost never is. Dalak said it in another thread: Hulk wants to prove that he is the strongest or that he can overcome all odds. If he can prove that by someone accepting his defeat while remaining conscious or beating that person unconscious doesn't really matter to Hulk. Although he'd rather have that person to be awake so that he can make a lasting impression on him. The thing he wants the most ist that his enemies stop bothering him or the ones he loves/cares about. A bloodlusted Hulk is a rarity and wouldn't be concerned with strength tests.

Yes he can, he is mystical in nature and the more he eats or get hungry the stronger he becomes. Expect they were fighting for an extended period of time and yet they were still equal in strength, in all their apperances not just this it was the exact same. What? even Wolverine after stabbing Wengido knocking him out comments about how you can't kill him. He was definetly enraged and had emotional connection to it as well if you read the issue. That wasn't jobbing, good lord your a Hulk fanboy arn't you? Once again I have a crap load of Hulk comics and apperances and this is no different. Fact.

Actually he was, as he took "away" his friend they even discuss this in the issue. Expect once again if you read the issue it wasn't about a sense of pride it was about saving a friend from the Wendigo...oh good lord, I don't think you have read the issues.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yes he can, he is mystical in nature and the more he eats or get hungry the stronger he becomes. Expect they were fighting for an extended period of time and yet they were still equal in strength, in all their apperances not just this it was the exact same. What? even Wolverine after stabbing Wengido knocking him out comments about how you can't kill him. He was definetly enraged and had emotional connection to it as well if you read the issue. That wasn't jobbing, good lord your a Hulk fanboy arn't you? Once again I have a crap load of Hulk comics and apperances and this is no different. Fact.

Actually he was, as he took "away" his friend they even discuss this in the issue. Expect once again if you read the issue it wasn't about a sense of pride it was about saving a friend from the Wendigo...oh good lord, I don't think you have read the issues.

Learn how to read. I'm not a fanboy. I might as well call you a Wendigo fanboy Wikipedia says that he can be killied by ripping his heart out. Issues of Spiderman have proven that not every Wendigo is godlike, immortal beast etc. Yeah, you have "crap load" of Hulk comics, but you don't know anything about him.

And I still don't think you understand what this is primarily about. This is about a plotless, non-compromised fight on a forum. In order to set that up, you're gonna have to ignore possible scenarios involing plot devices, extra characters and settings as much as possible and go by what the characters can do. Going by the panels? Sure, Wendigo can stand up to him. But that's not what matters here, unless you want to discuss comic issues and their validity. Fine by me, but don't forget the battle.

And ofcourse I have read the issues. It's just that most of them are pretty old. The Hulk is not all I read, you know.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Learn how to read. I'm not a fanboy. I might as well call you a Wendigo fanboy Wikipedia says that he can be killied by ripping his heart out. Issues of Spiderman have proven that not every Wendigo is godlike, immortal beast etc. Yeah, you have "crap load" of Hulk comics, but you don't know anything about him.

And I still don't think you understand what this is primarily about. This is about a plotless, non-compromised fight on a forum. In order to set that up, you're gonna have to ignore possible scenarios involing plot devices, extra characters and settings as much as possible and go by what the characters can do. Going by the panels? Sure, Wendigo can stand up to him. But that's not what matters here, unless you want to discuss comic issues and their validity. Fine by me, but don't forget the battle.

And ofcourse I have read the issues. It's just that most of them are pretty old. The Hulk is not all I read, you know.

Learn how to read? I have been saying the same thing over and over, but you don't want to accept facts. No I have all of Wendigo's apperaces, and once again stated in actual comics Wendigo is immortal. Do you know what happened when his heart was ripped out? a new Wendigo was born. You talking about the Wendigo that was passive and didn't want to fight? how does that prove your case. See I know these comics

What are you talking about a non-jobbing Wendigo is shown and stated to be on Hulk's level. It's a fact there is no around it, and the whole point of this board is discuss fights from the comics which not just on one occassion but several he was equal to Hulk and needed extra help to finish it off. I have backed up my claims now it's up to you.

Then you would know this is far from PIS or CIS.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Learn how to read? I have been saying the same thing over and over, but you don't want to accept facts. No I have all of Wendigo's apperaces, and once again stated in actual comics Wendigo is immortal. Do you know what happened when his heart was ripped out? a new Wendigo was born. You talking about the Wendigo that was passive and didn't want to fight? how does that prove your case. See I know these comics

What are you talking about a non-jobbing Wendigo is shown and stated to be on Hulk's level. It's a fact there is no around it, and the whole point of this board is discuss fights from the comics which not just on one occassion but several he was equal to Hulk and needed extra help to finish it off. I have backed up my claims now it's up to you.

Then you would know this is far from PIS or CIS.

I've been saying the same thing as well. Once again, there's not going to be an endless respawning of Wendigo's. He may be lucky to respawn once or twice before the Hulk must move on to the next battle. A defeated Wendigo doesn't come back as exactly the same Wendigo(different body and all), so it counts as a defeat anyway. And whether or not the Wendigo from Spiderman was passive, doesn't matter much. He got shot. Shot.

On what level may that be? Explain this to me. The Hulk doesn't HAVE a level, except, maybe, for his base strength. And even that's debatable. HOW CAN YOU BE ON A LEVEL WITH SOMEONE WHO'S STRENGTH POTENTIALLY INCREASES TO INCALCULABLE HEIGHTS, if necessary? That simply defies logic. Wendigo is strong, very strong. He can hang with Hulk for a while, depending on how fast his rage increases. But if you keep in mind that there's no such thing as a steadily enraged Hulk(he can keep getting angrier), you're gonna have to be fair about this. That's not me being a fanboy, that's me thinking rationally. In a comic book fight, Wendigo might do okay, since there are several scenarios that can have the Hulk limit his anger. But there's also instances where Hulk is simply underwritten. Such as when he fights Wolverine or Thing in regular matches. Writers depower Spiderman as well. Hell, even Wendigo himself. Or Gladiator. Or Thor. Or anyone. And I'm going to say this again: debating panels and issues is cool, but let's not forget that this is supposed to be free of plot boundaries.

Anyway, if you're going to be a jerk about this, we might as well end it.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I've been saying the same thing as well. Once again, there's not going to be an endless respawning of Wendigo's. He may be lucky to respawn once or twice before the Hulk must move on to the next battle. A defeated Wendigo doesn't come back as exactly the same Wendigo(different body and all), so it counts as a defeat anyway. And whether or not the Wendigo from Spiderman was passive, doesn't matter much. He got shot. Shot.

On what level may that be? Explain this to me. The Hulk doesn't HAVE a level, except, maybe, for his base strength. And even that's debatable. HOW CAN YOU BE ON A LEVEL WITH SOMEONE WHO'S STRENGTH POTENTIALLY INCREASES TO INCALCULABLE HEIGHTS, if necessary? That simply defies logic. Wendigo is strong, very strong. He can hang with Hulk for a while, depending on how fast his rage increases. But if you keep in mind that there's no such thing as a steadily enraged Hulk(he can keep getting angrier), you're gonna have to be fair about this. That's not me being a fanboy, that's me thinking rationally. In a comic book fight, Wendigo might do okay, since there are several scenarios that can have the Hulk limit his anger. But there's also instances where Hulk is simply underwritten. Such as when he fights Wolverine or Thing in regular matches. Writers depower Spiderman as well. Hell, even Wendigo himself. Or Gladiator. Or Thor. Or anyone. And I'm going to say this again: debating panels and issues is cool, but let's not forget that this is supposed to be free of plot boundaries.

The wonders of being a magical creature created by skyfather beings, when in Mauvais form even Dr.Strange stated he wasn't sure he could beat him. Fact is Wendigo has never been stated for his strength, but time and time and time again he was shown to be Hulk's equal and

Anyway, if you're going to be a jerk about this, we might as well end it.

Actually yes there is, see Earth X for details. Yeah he could even come back strong as Mauvais, and the thread starter never stated which Wendigo the host was. Expect he beat the host, but not Wendigo itself. Plus there isn't a drastic difference with each host, well from right there we know that's not right as you even said no PIS or CIS as Wendigo has shown to take much more than that. It does matter if he is passive as he derives his strength from cannabilism, if he is a good guy the curse weakens. If he admits he did the wrong the curse weakens and eventually breaks as stated.

Hulk doesn't instantly go have incaluable strength, and can be knocked out way before that as shown many times in comics. The only time he became close to incalcuable strength was mindless Hulk during the Onslaught saga, but this isn't mindless Hulk. Hulk even stated in several of his apperances with Wendigo he wasn't limiting himself and that Wendigo is probally the strongest opponent he faced including Abomination the guy who knocked the Hulk out. Thinking rationally is that if every time he ever faced the Hulk he was shown to be Hulk's equal and in the end it needed extra help to finish the fight puts him as Hulk's equal. Every apperance of a blood-lusted Wendigo sans the Sabertooth incident he has shown to be Hulk's equal. On-panel feats is something you go by on this board, not assumptions but facts and those are the facts. That's the difference.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually yes there is, see Earth X for details. Yeah he could even come back strong as Mauvais, and the thread starter never stated which Wendigo the host was. Expect he beat the host, but not Wendigo itself. Plus there isn't a drastic difference with each host, well from right there we know that's not right as you even said no PIS or CIS as Wendigo has shown to take much more than that. It does matter if he is passive as he derives his strength from cannabilism, if he is a good guy the curse weakens. If he admits he did the wrong the curse weakens and eventually breaks as stated.


But how is he going to feed himself during the battle? We need to establish how strong and durable Wendigo is before this fight can continue.

Hulk doesn't instantly go have incaluable strength, and can be knocked out way before that as shown many times in comics. The only time he became close to incalcuable strength was mindless Hulk during the Onslaught saga, but this isn't mindless Hulk. Hulk even stated in several of his apperances with Wendigo he wasn't limiting himself and that Wendigo is probally the strongest opponent he faced including Abomination the guy who knocked the Hulk out. Thinking rationally is that if every time he ever faced the Hulk he was shown to be Hulk's equal and in the end it needed extra help to finish the fight puts him as Hulk's equal. Every apperance of a blood-lusted Wendigo sans the Sabertooth incident he has shown to be Hulk's equal. On-panel feats is something you go by on this board, not assumptions but facts and those are the facts. That's the difference.

You don't have to tell me that. I've seen the Hulk get knocked out many a time. What is true about the character, however, is that he can become as strong as he is angry. If his anger doesn't prove enough innitially, then he'll keeps getting angrier. That's why the Hulk never failed a strength feat or why he has defeated enemies FAR more powerful than either Wendigo and Abomination. If the Hulk can reach strength levels that match and surpass, say, Cryptoman or Thor or any powerhouse, then why would it suddenly stop at the average Wendigo manifestation?

Going by the panels is good if you want to wrap these fights in a narrative context. Different scenarios allow for different outcome. Going entirely by the panels in fights based on abilities makes things tougher. For every good showing there's another showing that debunks it. Hulk defeating Gladiator is weird, so that's why it's commonly ignored in battles between the two. Unless Gladiator jobs to Hulk by ignoring his plethora of abilities or anything. Again, you're gonna have to explain how Wendigo can logically hang with someone who can and will become much stronger than he normally is? Using this little fact in a non-scripted forum battle makes sense because their based on logic. Using panels as evidence is nearly impossible because it causes too much conflict. So Wendigo can hang with Hulk in the comics? But what does that even mean for battles? If you say Wendigo is equal to Hulk, does that mean Hulk cannot increase his strength in forum battles? Or does that mean Wendigo becomes a Hulk-like individual? It's simply too vague.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You don't have to tell me that. I've seen the Hulk get knocked out many a time. What is true about the character, however, is that he can become as strong as he is angry. If his anger doesn't prove enough innitially, then he'll keeps getting angrier. That's why the Hulk never failed a strength feat or why he has defeated enemies FAR more powerful than either Wendigo and Abomination. If the Hulk can reach strength levels that match and surpass, say, Cryptoman or Thor or any powerhouse, then why would it suddenly stop at the average Wendigo manifestation?



Going by the panels is good if you want to wrap these fights in a narrative context. Different scenarios allow for different outcome. Going entirely by the panels in fights based on abilities makes things tougher. For every good showing there's another showing that debunks it. Hulk defeating Gladiator is weird, so that's why it's commonly ignored in battles between the two. Unless Gladiator jobs to Hulk by ignoring his plethora of abilities or anything. Again, you're gonna have to explain how Wendigo can logically hang with someone who can and will become much stronger than he normally is? Using this little fact in a non-scripted forum battle makes sense because their based on logic. Using panels as evidence is nearly impossible because it causes too much conflict. So Wendigo can hang with Hulk in the comics? But what does that even mean for battles? If you say Wendigo is equal to Hulk, does that mean Hulk cannot increase his strength in forum battles? Or does that mean Wendigo becomes a Hulk-like individual? It's simply too vague.

The average Wendigo manifestation was still equal with him and it took either Wolverine, Sasquatch or Captain Marvel to finish the bout. How often does Hulk even get to limitless strength? never. Wendigo if true to his character would hack and slash eating away at anything flesh and growing stronger because of it. Earth X mentioned if he becomes hungry he becomes unstoppable to a degree of course.

Ummm....that's how we debate on this board works, and once again do you know Wendigo's strength limits? because it was never stated and if it took Hulk and Captain MArvel to fight him, like yesh! plus Mauvais Wendigo is said to give Dr.Strange trouble. Yes! that's what I have been trying to say he becomes a Hulk like creature as he can increase his strength as well, there was no limit to his increase.

Oh forgot to mention in Earth-MC2, 12 boy scouts became Wendigo after eating their scoutmaster so there very well could be multiple Wendigo's at once.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The average Wendigo manifestation was still equal with him and it took either Wolverine, Sasquatch or Captain Marvel to finish the bout. How often does Hulk even get to limitless strength? never. Wendigo if true to his character would hack and slash eating away at anything flesh and growing stronger because of it. Earth X mentioned if he becomes hungry he becomes unstoppable to a degree of course.

Ummm....that's how we debate on this board works, and once again do you know Wendigo's strength limits? because it was never stated and if it took Hulk and Captain MArvel to fight him, like yesh! plus Mauvais Wendigo is said to give Dr.Strange trouble. Yes! that's what I have been trying to say he becomes a Hulk like creature as he can increase his strength as well, there was no limit to his increase.

Where's the proof that says it TOOK Wolverine to finish him? He was there, but not necessarily needed. The Hulk wasn't in any real trouble. Wendigo if true to his character? You said you prefered going by the panels, which hasn't shown Wendigo eating away at Hulk. You see, Wendigo may have that ability, but that wasn't shown on panel. fine by me, if he has it, then it should be taken into account for the battles. But I hope you see my point about Hulk. You are confusing infinite with unlimited. The Hulk's strength is unlimited int eh sense that no matter how strong Wendigo grows during the fight, the Hulk can stay ahead of him or, in case he's behind, catch up with him. And he can do it withing seconds, too.

Anyway, you'd have to admit that it's easier for Hulk to increase in the heat of battle, than it is for Wendigo. In fact, I will go as far as saying that it won't matter. Not enough chances. An enraged Hulk isn't easily damaged and eating other creatures is gonna be tough. He's not gonna get a pause, since these fights are plotless.

Oh and no, I don't know Wendigo's strength limit. Never said I did. It's just that going by the same panels as you do, tells me that Wendigo has more than enough trouble standing up to a moderately riled up Hulk.

There is no way wendigo could possibly survive this.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Where's the proof that says it TOOK Wolverine to finish him? He was there, but not necessarily needed. The Hulk wasn't in any real trouble. Wendigo if true to his character? You said you prefered going by the panels, which hasn't shown Wendigo eating away at Hulk. You see, Wendigo may have that ability, but that wasn't shown on panel. fine by me, if he has it, then it should be taken into account for the battles. But I hope you see my point about Hulk. You are confusing infinite with unlimited. The Hulk's strength is unlimited int eh sense that no matter how strong Wendigo grows during the fight, the Hulk can stay ahead of him or, in case he's behind, catch up with him. And he can do it withing seconds, too.

Anyway, you'd have to admit that it's easier for Hulk to increase in the heat of battle, than it is for Wendigo. In fact, I will go as far as saying that it won't matter. Not enough chances. An enraged Hulk isn't easily damaged and eating other creatures is gonna be tough. He's not gonna get a pause, since these fights are plotless.

They mentioned in the comic he would finish him off and landed the "killing blow", which should have killed the Wendigo, but Wolverine comments it didn't. No I'm not sure you understand what I mean, going by panel feats is a good indication of power and presonality. Wendigo is shown constantly trying to eat people, even snacked on Sasquatch. Wendigo even when the Hulk was enraged still dealt with him accordingly, we have no idea how his strength increases but Wendigo is considered to be the most evil of crimes by the Northern Gods and that's why they created the Wendigo curse.

Not really, a being of mystical nature of punishment for consumption of flesh is already high end and Hulk has never shown to just instantly go completly limitless in seconds or minutes. In another confronation Wendigo's claws sliced the Hulk open, so yes he can infact seriously damage him.

Wendigo doesn't have a set strength lvl though, go to wikipedia and check his profile, its says that there is no known limit to his strength.
CLear

The ultimate Wendigo page:
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Wendigo

all i know is that sabretooth killed him and in the wolverines issues mauvais killed wendigo and ate his heart in wolverine #171

Originally posted by stay super
all i know is that sabretooth killed him and in the wolverines issues mauvais killed wendigo and ate his heart in wolverine #171

The Sabertooth fight was poorly written, and Mauvais became Wendigo himself.

yes he became but only after he killed wendigo

thats just show you that no matter how strong wendigo is he can be killed without much trouble, sabretooth took him into the water and finished him there, mauvais cutted him and ate his heart

Originally posted by stay super
yes he became but only after he killed wendigo

You can't kill the Wendigo as stated, he merely destroyed the host

Originally posted by stay super
thats just show you that no matter how strong wendigo is he can be killed without much trouble, sabretooth took him into the water and finished him there, mauvais cutted him and ate his heart

Mauvais is a Dr.Strange level mystic, and to show you the Sabertooth fight was PIS wooden spikes impaled Sasquatch when he has been shown on multiple occasions to take armor pericing machine gun fire bouncing right off of him, but wood penetrates him?

he felt on the wood with his own weight and power, it was sharp and hurt him

Originally posted by stay super
he felt on the wood with his own weight and power, it was sharp and hurt him

Ummm do realize armor pericing machine gun fire would by far have much more momentum and force rather than him just landing on wooden spikes. He has taken tank shells as well

ok that really was an idiotic writing as i mentioned in other post theres no way sabretooth could kill wendigo but with mauvais its a different story, he killed him

so you refer wendigo as a force life, as the spirit, but i refer to him as the creture, because the creture is the one that does the fighting

Originally posted by stay super
so you refer wendigo as a force life, as the spirit, but i refer to him as the creture, because the creture is the one that does the fighting

The one that does the fighting is the spirit that has taken control, and as stated in the handbooks he possesses demi-godlike durability, which allows him to withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion.

ye but without a host it cant fight

so basically if the host dies that means that the wendigo itself lost and wasnt strong enough

Originally posted by stay super
ye but without a host it cant fight

No as stated it's the host with the spirit that has that durability, as mentioned when Alpha Flight battled them they were merely staggering the Wendigo nothing more as his enchantment that created him protects him from the full force they use.

but still he was killed

Originally posted by stay super
but still he was killed

By a mystic that rivaled Dr.Strange, and in turn became the Wendigo himself.

no matter what that was he was killed

Originally posted by stay super
no matter what that was he was killed

Technically he wasn't though, and the writer also forgot the Wendigo has a healing factor as well. Hell, Wendigo has taken on Captain Marvel w/Hulk, Hulk w/Wolverine, Hulk w/Sasquatch and brutally injuired Wolverine one on one where his spine was exposed, his guts in his arms, and had countless broken bones. The guy is greatly underated.

so when wendigo gets hurt its the writers fault, he was killed

Originally posted by stay super
so when wendigo gets hurt its the writers fault, he was killed

No it's called PIS, ie plot induced stupidity as if he didn't "die" Mauvais wouldn't have become the Wendigo himself. Plus technically there can be multiple Wendigo's at once roaming Canada.

and that changes the fact that he was killed?

Originally posted by stay super
and that changes the fact that he was killed?

Your not a very good listener are you? PIS is not allowed on this board, and is ignored as stated by the rules.

how do you know that its a pis? maybe the ones where he cant be killed are pis?

Originally posted by stay super
how do you know that its a pis? maybe the ones where he cant be killed are pis?

No it was stated multiple times in the comics, he can't die.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Dr Strange has self-confidence issues.

It's not that, Mauvais has a history battling other sorcessor supremes as well.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
and to show you the Sabertooth fight was PIS wooden spikes impaled Sasquatch when he has been shown on multiple occasions to take armor pericing machine gun fire bouncing right off of him, but wood penetrates him?

That issue actually was the last comic that I read, I haven't picked one up since reading that trash.

Originally posted by stay super
he felt on the wood with his own weight and power, it was sharp and hurt him

As was stated earlier, a tank shell has more penetration power than sas falling on a stick. It was a PIS plot device to further the story, however, such PIS totally nullifies any other feats by any other characters in the series as the setup was so garbage that any other feats are moot.


Originally posted by stay super
how do you know that its a pis? maybe the ones where he cant be killed are pis?

We are supposed to go by the rules more than the exception to the rules on the vs. forum. Each character is supposed to act to their best ability. At it's best, Wendigo cannot be defeated by Hulk with assistance (such as with Sasquatch and that is when Sasquatch was on a powerlevel that was immense).


Originally posted by King_Mungi
You can't kill the Wendigo as stated, he merely destroyed the host

This seems to be lost on alot of people.

You guys are aguin over if he can die, yes he can, the physical form can die.

He clears

Originally posted by hulkrulz
You guys are aguin over if he can die, yes he can, the physical form can die.

He clears

Actually stated several times they his physical form couldn't die, as he would keep arising time and time again and a "killing" blow as stated by Wolverine only temporally knocked him out.

Wendigo with the right host will win

i thought that only magic could hurt or kill the wendigo, yes hulk punched him and all that, but the wendigo just kept coming, hes like vampires and other mistical things, you can hur them whit conventioonal non magical things, but they arent hurt as thay should be and they can regenerate from that kind of wounds, mauavis ripped his heart out with a magical manifestation in form of a blade, so dont anibody say that just by ripping his heart out you win.

Originally posted by tyranus
dont anibody say that just by ripping his heart out you win.

Why not? Sabretooth ripped out Wendigo's heart I don't see his Wendigo-skin coat coming back to haunt him...

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Why not? Sabretooth ripped out Wendigo's heart I don't see his Wendigo-skin coat coming back to haunt him...

That was poorly written as Wolverine tried and failed to do the same thing, he even admited his adamintium claws barely did anything to him.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
That was poorly written as Wolverine tried and failed to do the same thing, he even admited his adamintium claws barely did anything to him.

Your opinion on the writing is not important. The fact is that Wendigo does indeed die when his heart is torn out. We may disagree on Sabretooth's ability to do so, but Wendigo can be killed (at least until somebody else commits cannibalism in the Lake Wendigo region).

Originally posted by hulkrulz
Wendigo with a strong host runs a guantlet on his home terf.

1. Wolverine
2. Sabretooth
3. Thanos
4. DD
5. Galactus(full power)physically
6. Pre-Crisis Supes
7. Abomination
8. JUggernaut
9. Alpha Male Predator
10. Current Savage Hulk

Does he survive? wow! thanos, DD, Galactus, and PC supes under hulk! that is laughable he dosent make it past #4 and the only way he'd make it past thanos is if he slipped on a bannanna peel or something

Originally posted by Grimm22
1. DD
2. Wolverine
3. Sabertooth
4. Alpha Male Predator
5. Abomination
6. Current Savage Hulk
7. Classic Juggernaut
8. Pre-Crisis Superman
9. Thanos
10. Galactus(full power)physically

Fixed

He makes it to Abomination.

Originally posted by Grimm22
1. DD
2. Wolverine
3. Sabertooth
4. Alpha Male Predator
5. Abomination
6. Current Savage Hulk
7. Classic Juggernaut
8. Pre-Crisis Superman
9. Thanos
10. Galactus(full power)physically

Fixed now here he wouldnt make it past #1 DD

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Your opinion on the writing is not important. The fact is that Wendigo does indeed die when his heart is torn out. We may disagree on Sabretooth's ability to do so, but Wendigo can be killed (at least until somebody else commits cannibalism in the Lake Wendigo region).

Except in over 10 apperances of the Wendigo they state that Wendigo is immortal in human form not just the spirit. So one event that goes completly out of character makes it ok? Hell I can post several comments from the actual comics that state the human host is immortal

bump

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Except in over 10 apperances of the Wendigo they state that Wendigo is immortal in human form not just the spirit. So one event that goes completly out of character makes it ok? Hell I can post several comments from the actual comics that state the human host is immortal

Which one event are you referring to? The one event where Sabretooth tears out Wendigo's heart or the one event where Mauvais tears out Wendigo's heart? Wait a minute, that's two events. Wendigo's host body has died by having it's heart removed on more than one occasion. Now, why are you so willing to accept the time Mauvais did it but not Sabretooth? Magic? Wendigo has been hurt by plenty of nonmagical things in the past: Wolverine's claws, Sabretooth's claws, bullets, Hulk's fists, broken trees, fire, and even an ordinary axe. Are you going to tell me all those times Wendigo has been hurt are PIS? You can only use words like "immortality" and "PIS" so many times before you accept that Wendigo can be hurt and killed, and both have happened more than once. It has also been stated several times in comics that vampires are considered immortal as well, but like Wendigo, they can be hurt and killed. Vampires don't do well against sunlight or wooden stakes and Wendigo has this thing with getting it's heart ripped out. Wendigo has a weakness. Accept it.

Now, follow my logic here:

1. Wendigo's host body can be killed by having it's heart removed. It has happened more than once.

2. If an ordinary axe can cut Wendigo, it can cut out Wendigo's heart.

3. Anybody on this list with the strength or a means of penetrating Wendigo's skin have a chance at removing the heart and killing Wendigo.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No it's called PIS, ie plot induced stupidity as if he didn't "die" Mauvais wouldn't have become the Wendigo himself. Plus technically there can be multiple Wendigo's at once roaming Canada.

Mauvais didn't become Wendigo by tearing Andre's heart out. He became Wendigo after he ATE Andre's heart. Killing Wendigo doesn't make you Wendigo. You have to eat the heart to have the curse effect you. The mystical spirit of Wendigo is indeed immortal, but the physical body can be hurt and killed.

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Which one event are you referring to? The one event where Sabretooth tears out Wendigo's heart or the one event where Mauvais tears out Wendigo's heart? Wait a minute, that's two events. Wendigo's host body has died by having it's heart removed on more than one occasion. Now, why are you so willing to accept the time Mauvais did it but not Sabretooth? Magic? Wendigo has been hurt by plenty of nonmagical things in the past: Wolverine's claws, Sabretooth's claws, bullets, Hulk's fists, broken trees, fire, and even an ordinary axe. Are you going to tell me all those times Wendigo has been hurt are PIS? You can only use words like "immortality" and "PIS" so many times before you accept that Wendigo can be hurt and killed, and both have happened more than once. It has also been stated several times in comics that vampires are considered immortal as well, but like Wendigo, they can be hurt and killed. Vampires don't do well against sunlight or wooden stakes and Wendigo has this thing with getting it's heart ripped out. Wendigo has a weakness. Accept it.

Now, follow my logic here:

1. Wendigo's host body can be killed by having it's heart removed. It has happened more than once.

2. If an ordinary axe can cut Wendigo, it can cut out Wendigo's heart.

3. Anybody on this list with the strength or a means of penetrating Wendigo's skin have a chance at removing the heart and killing Wendigo.

Mauvais didn't become Wendigo by tearing Andre's heart out. He became Wendigo after he ATE Andre's heart. Killing Wendigo doesn't make you Wendigo. You have to eat the heart to have the curse effect you. The mystical spirit of Wendigo is indeed immortal, but the physical body can be hurt and killed.

Sabertooth is horrible written as wooden spikes impaled Sasquatch...the guy has taken tank shells and armor peircing machine gun fire and it didn't penetrate his hide..yet wood? Poor writing. You don't seem to grapd the concept of PIS, as a non-jobbing Wendigo as stated withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion". Mauvais used a magical blade and is a mystic user rivialing Dr.Strange, so don't you dare compare the Sabertooth event with Mauvais. As Wolverine with adamintium claws failed to do anything remotly like that. Uhhhhh....man read the rules of the board, it's the opponents best showings, not when they job. Good lord, one Wendigo stalemated Captain Marvel and Hulk at the same time. Dude, 98% of Wendigo's appearances state he is immortal and can't be killed so that makes the 2% accuarate? no not on this board. Wolverine stabbed him in the brain with his adamintium claws and moment later he was back up all fine thanks to his healing factor. Your inncorrect, horribly if you believe the Sabertooth incident is a good indication of what Wendigo is capable of. You should be the one who needs to except facts, instead of a badly written story that goes against the entire Wendigo mythos.

1. Mauvais going it is fine as it was a magical blade, and was from a magic user that rivaled Dr.Strange. Are you seriously implying the Sabertooth incident was accurate as Wolverine tried the same feat and failed?
2. Wait what? you do realize as stated Wendigo possesses demi-god durability which allows him and I quote to "withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion". So an axe? nuh uh.
3. No, as stated and shown even Wolverine with adamintium claws admitted he was barely doing anything to him.

First off it wasn't Andre, and secondly I never said killing Wendigo makes you Wendigo as I am the one who did the entire Wendigo bio page. I know the mythos and I know what he is capable of. Wrong, as STATED IN THE COMICS, the mortal host is immortal

well i havent said were he gets. he gets to 7 and they stalemate each other, would juggs be able to beat wendigo, i think his powers are kind of magical no???

Here's just one incident out of many that states the person who becomes Wendigo is immortal and unkillable
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/mcp-113b-17.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/mcp-113b-18.jpg

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Corrected soon

Originally posted by hulkrulz

1. DD
2. Wolverine
3. Sabertooth
4. Alpha Male Predator
5. Abomination
6. Juggernaut
7. Current Savage Hulk
8. Thanos
9. Pre-Crisis Superman
10.Galactus(full power)physically

Fixed

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sabertooth is horrible written as wooden spikes impaled Sasquatch...the guy has taken tank shells and armor peircing machine gun fire and it didn't penetrate his hide..yet wood? Poor writing. You don't seem to grapd the concept of PIS, as a non-jobbing Wendigo as stated withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion". Mauvais used a magical blade and is a mystic user rivialing Dr.Strange, so don't you dare compare the Sabertooth event with Mauvais. As Wolverine with adamintium claws failed to do anything remotly like that. Uhhhhh....man read the rules of the board, it's the opponents best showings, not when they job. Good lord, one Wendigo stalemated Captain Marvel and Hulk at the same time. Dude, 98% of Wendigo's appearances state he is immortal and can't be killed so that makes the 2% accuarate? no not on this board. Wolverine stabbed him in the brain with his adamintium claws and moment later he was back up all fine thanks to his healing factor. Your inncorrect, horribly if you believe the Sabertooth incident is a good indication of what Wendigo is capable of. You should be the one who needs to except facts, instead of a badly written story that goes against the entire Wendigo mythos.

Know what? I really don't care what the comics STATE about Wendigo's durability. I care about what the comics have SHOWN about Wendigo's durability. The comics have shown Wendigo get injured several times by nonmagical items. I gave examples of some of the things that have harmed it in my previous post. Quit throwing the board rules at me. If the mods have a problem they will let me know. You shouldn't try throwing around weight that belongs to somebody else. I have followed the rules by backing up my claims with examples from canon sources. The events that you backhandedly dismiss as PIS are recurring events that happen a whole lot more than 2% of the time. Personally, I think that when Wendigo surviving anything close to a direct nuclear explosion would be just as ridiculously over the top as when Wolverine did it. THAT crap was PIS. If you want to keep on believing Wendigo has that kind of durability, that's your problem. I have seen too much evidence to the contrary to accept that Wendigo is on that level. You still seem to cling to the notion that Sabretooth injuring Wendigo is a one time thing. Wendigo can be and has been hurt in the past more times than two and he hasn't had 100 appearances yet so do the math and stop exaggerating to try to prove your point.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
1. Mauvais going it is fine as it was a magical blade, and was from a magic user that rivaled Dr.Strange. Are you seriously implying the Sabertooth incident was accurate as Wolverine tried the same feat and failed?
2. Wait what? you do realize as stated Wendigo possesses demi-god durability which allows him and I quote to "withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion". So an axe? nuh uh.
3. No, as stated and shown even Wolverine with adamintium claws admitted he was barely doing anything to him.

1. A magical blade cut in to Wendigo, but Mauvis tore Wendigo's heart out with his bare hands. I have no misconceptions about Sabretooth being anywhere on the same level as Mauvis, but given the things that have harmed Wendigo in the past, I do think Sabretooth is strong enough to injure or even kill Wendigo. Call me "fanboy" if you want, but Sabretooth is considerably more dangerous that and axe or a bullet or a tree. all three have harmed Wendigo in the past.
2. From what I have seen on this board, most people don't really give much credibility to the official guidebooks. And considering how many times I have seen him get injured by far less than something that would hurt only a demi-god, I have to take the whole "durability of a demi-god" thing with a grain of salt.
3. Real easy this time: Do you consider EVERY time Wendigo is hurt in the comics PIS? Yes or No? Forget about Sabretooth. What about the other times? Are they ALL PIS? I think all the times they hug Wendigo's nuts by saying it's immortal or can't be hurt they are doing nothing more than trying oversell the character and give it more credibility than it deserves. There, I said it. Wendigo is not Classic Juggernaut. It has been hurt several times in the past by FAR less than a nuclear explosion.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
First off it wasn't Andre, and secondly I never said killing Wendigo makes you Wendigo as I am the one who did the entire Wendigo bio page. I know the mythos and I know what he is capable of. Wrong, as STATED IN THE COMICS, the mortal host is immortal
First off, according the marvel.com it WAS Andre. See for yourself: http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wendigo Now, why don't you tell Marvel that you know more about Wendigo than they do instead of trying to convince me you know more than I do. Secondly, no offense, but your grammar was horrible in that sentence so maybe I got a little confused. If that is the case the I apologize, but "...if he didn't "die" Mauvis wouldn't have become Wendigo himself." and "You can't kill Wendigo as proof he became Wendigo himself" and " By a mystic that rivaled Dr. Strange, and in turn became the Wendigo himself." sounds like you're implying that one goes hand-in-hand with the other. Thirdly, Yes. As SHOWN IN THE COMICS, he has been killed TWICE. Both times by having his heart removed. It's not that hard to make a connection between "heart torn out" and "dead-ass Wendigo".

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Know what? I really don't care what the comics STATE about Wendigo's durability. I care about what the comics have SHOWN about Wendigo's durability. The comics have shown Wendigo get injured several times by nonmagical items. I gave examples of some of the things that have harmed it in my previous post. Quit throwing the board rules at me. If the mods have a problem they will let me know. You shouldn't try throwing around weight that belongs to somebody else. I have followed the rules by backing up my claims with examples from canon sources. The events that you backhandedly dismiss as PIS are recurring events that happen a whole lot more than 2% of the time. Personally, I think that when Wendigo surviving anything close to a direct nuclear explosion would be just as ridiculously over the top as when Wolverine did it. THAT crap was PIS. If you want to keep on believing Wendigo has that kind of durability, that's your problem. I have seen too much evidence to the contrary to accept that Wendigo is on that level. You still seem to cling to the notion that Sabretooth injuring Wendigo is a one time thing. Wendigo can be and has been hurt in the past more times than two and he hasn't had 100 appearances yet so do the math and stop exaggerating to try to prove your point.

1. A magical blade cut in to Wendigo, but Mauvis tore Wendigo's heart out with his bare hands. I have no misconceptions about Sabretooth being anywhere on the same level as Mauvis, but given the things that have harmed Wendigo in the past, I do think Sabretooth is strong enough to injure or even kill Wendigo. Call me "fanboy" if you want, but Sabretooth is considerably more dangerous that and axe or a bullet or a tree. all three have harmed Wendigo in the past.
2. From what I have seen on this board, most people don't really give much credibility to the official guidebooks. And considering how many times I have seen him get injured by far less than something that would hurt only a demi-god, I have to take the whole "durability of a demi-god" thing with a grain of salt.
3. Real easy this time: Do you consider EVERY time Wendigo is hurt in the comics PIS? Yes or No? Forget about Sabretooth. What about the other times? Are they ALL PIS? I think all the times they hug Wendigo's nuts by saying it's immortal or can't be hurt they are doing nothing more than trying oversell the character and give it more credibility than it deserves. There, I said it. Wendigo is not Classic Juggernaut. It has been hurt several times in the past by FAR less than a nuclear explosion.

First off, according the marvel.com it WAS Andre. See for yourself: http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wendigo Now, why don't you tell Marvel that you know more about Wendigo than they do instead of trying to convince me you know more than I do. Secondly, no offense, but your grammar was horrible in that sentence so maybe I got a little confused. If that is the case the I apologize, but "...if he didn't "die" Mauvis wouldn't have become Wendigo himself." and "You can't kill Wendigo as proof he became Wendigo himself" and " By a mystic that rivaled Dr. Strange, and in turn became the Wendigo himself." sounds like you're implying that one goes hand-in-hand with the other. Thirdly, Yes. As SHOWN IN THE COMICS, he has been killed TWICE. Both times by having his heart removed. It's not that hard to make a connection between "heart torn out" and "dead-ass Wendigo".

Ummm...comics have stated the exact same thing. His durability is equal to the Hulk's. Once again I will repeat this, there are several incarnations of Wendigo some stronger than others. We go by their BEST feats on this board, not their worst. The rules are made for a reason, if you don't like them go else where. Except you back up a claim that goes against 98% of other Wendigo apperances. Actually no, you claimed the Wendigo could be killed. The two times goes against what was stated and shown. So if something is stated and shown and a event later contradicts it, that makes it ok? not at all. Gah! that's what is said and shown in the comics, he can't be killed he's immortal and unkillable as said. Hulk has demi-god durability and more than once Hulk needed someone else just to stalemate or beat him. Where have I said Wendigo can't be hurt?

1. Once again magical, he spent all this time preping and isn't something easier to rip out when it's already cut for you? Also you do realize Wendio was weakened...why you ask? Mauvais cut the connection to the Gods of the Arctic off. Why is that important? Even Snowbird without the connection began to weaken with each passing moment, Wendigo wouldn't be an exception as he is powered by the Gods as well. Injuire sure, kill...HELL NO! Once again goes against 98% what was shown in the comics, and 100% what was stated in the handbooks. Once again, there have been several different incarnations in the past, some weak some stronger. Such as the passive Wendigo is not a typical Wendigo that was hurt by a bullet. Andre wasn't hurt by the axe he was hurt by the fire that was caused by the axe.
2. Except it was even stated in the comics, even by Wolverine, Hulk, Mauvais, Captain Marvel, Werewolf by Night, Alpha Flight, etc. Once again different incarnations are stronger than others. Such as one took on Hulk and Sabertooth at the same time, one took on Captain Mar-Vell and Hulk at the same time, one took on Alpha Flight w/Wolverine and created a Wendigo army, etc. etc.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/uxm140pg16.jpg
3. I never said he couldn't be hurt now did I? but due to his healing factor and mystical spell it's damn near impossible to do anything serious as noted by Wolverine. You kept claiming Wendigo can be killed, which is in fact completly wrong and against the mythos and we don't follow on this board as it's their best showings not worst.

Marvel.com bios are made by the fans their not offical, Hell even I added a bio on the site. You know why it's not Andre? the Wendigo had all his fingers, Andre doesn't. The wonders of actually doing the research yourself instead of commenting on someones grammer. You do realize there are still 4 other Wendigo's unaccountable do you?

edit: Another scan saying comparable strength to the Hulk and virtually impossible to kill
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheOfficialHandbookoftheMarvelUnive.jpg

Wolverine admitting the attack should have killed him, but it didn't. Another comment made, the Wendigo can't be harmed
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-06.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-07.jpg

2nd edit: more scans commenting on his invulnerability
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/uxm139pg19.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/uxm140pg13.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Once again I will repeat this, there are several incarnations of Wendigo some stronger than others.
So maybe Sabretooth was fighting one of the wussier incarnations? Maybe?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
We go by their BEST feats on this board, not their worst.
So you agree that Wolverine can cut Thanos? That would be his best showing.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The rules are made for a reason, if you don't like them go else where. Except you back up a claim that goes against 98% of other Wendigo apperances. Actually no, you claimed the Wendigo could be killed. The two times goes against what was stated and shown.

The rules state to use examples from canon sources, which I have done. Among those examples were two occurrences where Wendigo was killed. Just because something happens in the comics to a character you like that goes against your preconceived notions of the characters capabilities doesn't make it PIS.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
So if something is stated and shown and a event later contradicts it, that makes it ok?

Yep. Happens all the time. Characters change. Ridiculously overpowered characters get weaknesses to make them more interesting. Weaker characters get upgrades to make them more interesting. Wolverine gets upgrades because Marvel just doesn't know when to quit.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Where have I said Wendigo can't be hurt?

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
you nuts? both were dealing blows that said "would crush a mountain". He even hulked out in the first confronation and Wendigo was none the worse for wear and it was still a Wendigo that was actually holding back as he was still part human.

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
as stated in the handbooks he possesses demi-godlike durability, which allows him to withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion.

And here:
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No as stated it's the host with the spirit that has that durability, as mentioned when Alpha Flight battled them they were merely staggering the Wendigo nothing more as his enchantment that created him protects him from the full force they use.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I never said he couldn't be hurt now did I? ...You kept claiming Wendigo can be killed, which is in fact completly wrong and against the mythos and we don't follow on this board as it's their best showings not worst.

With anything less than a pointblank nuclear explosion, yes you did. He can be killed. It has happened twice. Characters get upgraded and degraded all the time.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Marvel.com bios are made by the fans their not offical, Hell even I added a bio on the site. You know why it's not Andre? the Wendigo had all his fingers, Andre doesn't. ...You do realize there are still 4 other Wendigo's unaccountable do you?

Fair enough. I bow to your Wendigo knowledge. No sarcasm. I still disagree with your opinion on the level of Wendigo's durability and the extent of Wendigo's immortality, but you do have your facts down. You would think Marvel would monitor what people write about their characters better.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The wonders of actually doing the research yourself instead of commenting on someones grammer.

So I guess you took offense even though none was intended. That sentence was hard to understand. Maybe taking the time to proofread every now and then would cut down on the misunderstandings.

Originally posted by Sabretooth
So maybe Sabretooth was fighting one of the wussier incarnations? Maybe?

So you agree that Wolverine can cut Thanos? That would be his best showing.


The rules state to use examples from canon sources, which I have done. Among those examples were two occurrences where Wendigo was killed. Just because something happens in the comics to a character you like that goes against your preconceived notions of the characters capabilities doesn't make it PIS.





Yep. Happens all the time. Characters change. Ridiculously overpowered characters get weaknesses to make them more interesting. Weaker characters get upgrades to make them more interesting. Wolverine gets upgrades because Marvel just doesn't know when to quit.



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With anything less than a pointblank nuclear explosion, yes you did. He can be killed. It has happened twice. Characters get upgraded and degraded all the time.



Fair enough. I bow to your Wendigo knowledge. No sarcasm. I still disagree with your opinion on the level of Wendigo's durability and the extent of Wendigo's immortality, but you do have your facts down. You would think Marvel would monitor what people write about their characters better.


So I guess you took offense even though none was intended. That sentence was hard to understand. Maybe taking the time to proofread every now and then would cut down on the misunderstandings.

Very likely, but him killing him goes against the entire Wendigo story. that Wenigo slapped around Sasquatch pretty easily.

To a degree, except Thanos has been shown to take far more damage than that and not be hurt. Same with Wendigo, same with Hulk, etc. Characters have bad showings, and stuff like that is considered PIS.

Except, your example contradicts everything that was said and shown about the Wendigo. Thus it's PIS, it's not about liking someone when the facts are laid out. I have provided multiple scans that go right against what you claimed. Even Mauvais killed a weakened Wendigo as he cut off the connection to the Northern Gods, which nearly killed Snowbird...who even turned into Wendigo as well.

Actually no, even the most recent apperances of Wendigo once again contradict what you said. There have been multiple incarnations as I mentioned before some weaker and some stronger. However, the rules of the board state they are the most recent and strongest form unless stipulated otherwise.

Ummm...no I didn't. I never even made one comment about how he couldn't feel pain

Once again, I never said you couldn't feel pain. It's another example of durability comment, hell I even post the scan of that page.

Once again, did I say he couldn't be hurt? no. It's a comment about his durability, not his pain tolerance

Wrong, in the quotes you posted I never said he couldn't be hurt but comments about his durability which is completly seperate. Even Hulk can be hurt, and he has demi-god durability as well. No each host is different, as Mauvais is the ultimate expression of the Wendigo power. Some can control the Wendigo and retain their knowledge, others don't. It's not about upgrades or downgrades it's about different characters given power.

None intended? bull.

Euh so marvel.com issn't the right site to get your source or info??
Still you get your info from a site you yourself edit and update?
And correct me iff I'm wrong but you do not work for marvel right?

So http://alphanex.alphaflight.net issn't a offical site either right?

But your right on one part hulk can be knocked out but so can wendigo.

So Say he get's to hulk.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Euh so marvel.com issn't the right site to get your source or info??
Still you get your info from a site you yourself edit and update?
And correct me iff I'm wrong but you do not work for marvel right?

So http://alphanex.alphaflight.net issn't a offical site either right?

But your right on one part hulk can be knocked out but so can wendigo.

So Say he get's to hulk.

I didn't cite from that site, I cited from the actual comics and handbooks themselves as I have all of Wendigo's apperances. You want a scan, I can get them, everything I have ever claimed is straight from the comics or handbooks. None of it is interpertation and I already have posted a great deal of scans thus far. Any part on the site you have questions about, I will show you the scans where it comes from.

Oh I don't believe Wendigo can clear this gauntlet, such as there isn't anything physically he can do someone like the Juggernaut

o he could hurt Juggs if hulk can he can hes so underrated its not even cool

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