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Here is the classic hulks feats

Hulk nearly kills hercules
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/6620/hercules5zx.jpg

Hulk whoops silver surfer and Namor



http://img233.echo.cx/img233/8359/order2b2ik.jpg
http://img233.echo.cx/img233/8905/order2c1ss.jpg



The Hulk rips Man-Thing apart

http://img225.echo.cx/img225/5165/manthing1a0gl.jpg
http://img225.echo.cx/img225/8378/manthing1b3pn.jpg


Hulk KO's thor with three punches

http://img159.exs.cx/img159/608/thorih2001a2so.jpg
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/4041/thorih2001b5ku.jpg


With a little help from rocket springs, the Hulk shatters an asteroid calculated to be twice the size of Earth.

http://img11.echo.cx/img11/3581/featsasteroid1a7xe.jpg





And the hulk has never gone to the death, he always holds back, so who wins to the death?!?

you just can't get enough of the hulk can you...

WMThor takes this, 7/10

lol thor was not KO'd at the 3 punch feat thingy

Thor.

i like the feat where thor beats hulk and thing with 1 hand

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
i like the feat where thor beats hulk and thing with 1 hand

I like how that was total PIS.

wait didn't wmthor already beat hulk and thing simultaneously... then shatter capA's sheild?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I like how that was total PIS.
since it was king thor
king thor=odin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hulk
it wasn't PIS

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
since it was king thor
king thor=odin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hulk
it wasn't PIS

Uhuh, but not in the way it was shown in the comics. He has options, mostly with Mjolnir, but the way it went down reeks of PIS.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Uhuh, but not in the way it was shown in the comics. He has options, mostly with Mjolnir, but the way it went down reeks of PIS.

No. PIS is She-Hulk beating Champion in a physical contest. What happened here is supported by numerous events in the past going back to the first time when Hulk grappled with Thor.

Without the hammer, the only "option" he needs is to physically beat the living crap out of the Hulk and Thing like he did to the teams of Surfer-Warlock and Maxam-Drax the Destroyer (w/ Power Gem). The only difference is that with the Hulk and Thing he only needed one arm.

And although it was King Thor in theory, without the Odin force, without "warrior madness", and without the hammer, it was just regular one-armed Thor with a beard and lacking what you refer to as "options" he would have through the hammer and odinpower.

So regular thor killed hulk and thing in a "to the death" fight without the Odin Power, "Warrior Madness," Hammer or the use of his left arm. Simple and clear.

wm thor would stomp hulk in to the ground 8/10 end of sermon!

Originally posted by aliveinboston
No. PIS is She-Hulk beating Champion in a physical contest. What happened here is supported by numerous events in the past going back to the first time when Hulk grappled with Thor.

Without the hammer, the only "option" he needs is to physically beat the living crap out of the Hulk and Thing like he did to the teams of Surfer-Warlock and Maxam-Drax the Destroyer (w/ Power Gem). The only difference is that with the Hulk and Thing he only needed one arm.

And although it was King Thor in theory, without the Odin force, without "warrior madness", and without the hammer, it was just regular one-armed Thor with a beard and lacking what you refer to as "options" he would have through the hammer and odinpower.

So regular thor killed hulk and thing in a "to the death" fight without the Odin Power, "Warrior Madness," Hammer or the use of his left arm. Simple and clear.

It's about as simple and clear as the cellular structure of wood is simple compared to a circle, and the grain of the wood in the tree is transparent.

Originally posted by HisMajestyAC43
wait didn't wmthor already beat hulk and thing simultaneously... then shatter capA's sheild?



The Hulk already beat WM thor,

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk440.html



And he did it without killing him, now amagine what he could do if he wanted to kill him!

Originally posted by aliveinboston
No. PIS is She-Hulk beating Champion in a physical contest.

Um... That wasn't really PIS. In order for us to consider that PIS, Champion must've had some ON PANEL FEATS that put him at the level of his speculation. Champion is more like CHUMPion. He's nowhere near what his bio states he is. Let's review what we know about him:

1. Thing broke his ribs.

2. Thanos owned him.

3. She Hulk whipped the shit outta him like he owed her child support.

Those things are all we really have to go by. So, according to his actual feats, that wasn't PIS. Who the hell was Champion fighting for billions of years? Infants??!!! Cause he SUCKS!!!

Originally posted by thanospimphand
wm thor would stomp hulk in to the ground 8/10 end of sermon!



Nooo, the classical incridible hulk could do anything, physically, he was stronger the presence, PHYSICALLY stronger, he was he is not shown in todays comics. He had class whatever he wanted strength, he beat the gardener for crying out loud!


http://img166.echo.cx/img166/993/featsgardener5zl.jpg

He beat Human Torch, Heroes For Hire, Avengers, and finally, Thor.http://img44.echo.cx/img44/6167/ih300humantorch13tt.jpg
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http://img44.echo.cx/img44/6943/ih300h4h28ez.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/8748/avengersih300a8sa.jpg
http://img44.echo.cx/img44/5048/avengersih300b5wl.jpg

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http://img44.echo.cx/img44/9619/avengersih300g8ef.jpg
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Have I finnaly made it clear that the Hulk can beat Thor?

Originally posted by HisMajestyAC43
you just can't get enough of the hulk can you...

WMThor takes this, 7/10



I dont like the Hulk, I just admire the INCRIDIBLE things he has done!

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
I dont like the Hulk, I just admire the INCRIDIBLE things he has done!

do you mean incredible? yes, somewhat reminiscent of your total overestimation of the hulk...

Originally posted by HisMajestyAC43
do you mean incredible? yes, somewhat reminiscent of your total overestimation of the hulk...


The Hulk is a fighting machine that doesnt tire nor use his full strength, he is physically unstoppable, he can regenerate from a skeletal state and has done things strong super hero's couldnt get close to doing, such as brakeing onslaught's armor, and defeating the gardener, he has taken on multiple super hero's and mortally injured them. The Hulk has no limit to his strength.


My conclusion, Invincible...

Your conclusion? Incorrect.

^^ cosigned

Mad Thor would murder the Hulk.... and what's with him cracking adamantium with his head?.... that just shows bad writing (or bad artwork)

Originally posted by Scoobless
Mad Thor would murder the Hulk.... and what's with him cracking adamantium with his head?.... that just shows bad writing (or bad artwork)




The Hulk has broken and ripped apart adamantium.

Originally posted by Soljer
Your conclusion? Incorrect.




What does it take to be invincible? Well it means CANT BE STOPPED BY ANY FORCE! Makeing the Hulk invincible.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
What does it take to be invincible? Well it means CANT BE STOPPED BY ANY FORCE! Makeing the Hulk invincible.

Yeah, except..you know..for the dozens upon dozens of times he's been stopped by SEVERAL different forces.

Good try, though.

Oh, and the hulk has only ever broken SECONDARY adamantium. Read up a little bit on the characters you are going to be a flaming fanboy for.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Mad Thor would murder the Hulk.... and what's with him cracking adamantium with his head?.... that just shows bad writing (or bad artwork)




Oh and the hulk has BEAT THE SHITTTT out of thor with three punches and has beatn warior madness thor, I dont have to show you those picks again, but warrior madness thor would last ten punches with the hulk getting stronger each time.

Originally posted by Soljer
Yeah, except..you know..for the dozens upon dozens of times he's been stopped by SEVERAL different forces.

Good try, though.

Oh, and the hulk has only ever broken SECONDARY adamantium. Read up a little bit on the characters you are going to be a flaming fanboy for.


Those times were CHEAP, like you guys say about the times when the Hulk beats Thor!!


No the Classic incredible Hulk has never been beaten!

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
The Hulk has broken and ripped apart adamantium.

really? on what occurrance with no pis? hulk is amazingly strong, but adamantium isn't the strongest metal in the universe for no reason. hulk doesn't just use this stuff as a chew toy (as much as you may wish he did).

i'm somewhat curious as to why, if hulk is so amazing, he isn't more involved with cosmic threats... i wonder why they always send that stupid blonde guy, what was his name? oh yea Thor. what is with that. you would think that every time somebody like thanos came along, they would just send hulk out there.

he should do much better than thor... what were the writers thinking?

Alot of deferant incarnations of the Hulk have been beaten but not the classic hulk.

You're right. He was NEVER beaten. Except repeatedly through out his entire series. Wolverine has wins against him, the Surfer has beaten him, Thanos has beaten him, the Avengers, hell...SPIDERMAN has beaten him.

Give me a break, the Hulk is FAR from invincible. Hell, he isn't even unstoppable.

Comics that sell make them money?

Its like in D&D when I used to play... there was a golden rule.. If it is used to advance the story, even if you could have done something about it, against it, or should have known about it, you do not for this event. The story shall supercede all.

Suspension of belief.

Originally posted by HisMajestyAC43
really? on what occurrance with no pis? hulk is amazingly strong, but adamantium isn't the strongest metal in the universe for no reason. hulk doesn't just use this stuff as a chew toy (as much as you may wish he did).

i'm somewhat curious as to why, if hulk is so amazing, he isn't more involved with cosmic threats... i wonder why they always send that stupid blonde guy, what was his name? oh yea Thor. what is with that. you would think that every time somebody like thanos came along, they would just send hulk out there.

he should do much better than thor... what were the writers thinking?



The Hulk was involved with Onslaught, Thanos with the infinity gauntlet, and He beat the gardener up, so he has been in cosmic fights before.

Originally posted by Soljer
You're right. He was NEVER beaten. Except repeatedly through out his entire series. Wolverine has wins against him, the Surfer has beaten him, Thanos has beaten him, the Avengers, hell...SPIDERMAN has beaten him.

Give me a break, the Hulk is FAR from invincible. Hell, he isn't even unstoppable.


No they beat the regular hulk, not the classic hulk.

Originally posted by rotiart
Comics that sell make them money?

Its like in D&D when I used to play... there was a golden rule.. If it is used to advance the story, even if you could have done something about it, against it, or should have known about it, you do not for this event. The story shall supercede all.

Suspension of belief.


Actually its all in the mind of the writer, any writer could make a comic book saying that the hulk could beat thor, it makes it true if they write a CANNON comicbook, poeple wrote the hulks feats they are made up, and poeple can change the story to what ever they like, as long as they are good at graphic story telling.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
The Hulk was involved with Onslaught, Thanos with the infinity gauntlet, and He beat the gardener up, so he has been in cosmic fights before.

but the difference is who they went to first. sure if they say we need earth's mightiest heroes, hulk will be on the list. but he's not exactly much of a match for a threat like thanos with the IG or Onslaught. in fact, neither is thor. seriously though, the gardener? the guy that grows flowers all day? i wouldn't call him a cosmic threat.

and WMThor has owned hulk before. get off hulks skin flute, or at least take some lessons before you play it.

Thanos would have a fun day with WMT :P

Originally posted by HisMajestyAC43
but the difference is who they went to first. sure if they say we need earth's mightiest heroes, hulk will be on the list. but he's not exactly much of a match for a threat like thanos with the IG or Onslaught. in fact, neither is thor. seriously though, the gardener? the guy that grows flowers all day? i wouldn't call him a cosmic threat.

and WMThor has owned hulk before. get off hulks skin flute, or at least take some lessons before you play it.




But a young meastro has beatn warrior madness thor, I am not saying that the hulk can beat thanos I am just arguing with what you stated, what you stated was the hulk never gets called out but thor does, which isnt true. The hulk did more to onslaught than thor could ever do.


The first thing the hulk did to onslaught that thor couldnt do was let him get close, the second thang was the hulk grapaling with onsluaght, and the final thing hulk did that thor coulnt do was brake onslaughts armor.

And he Hulk could never hope to crack a celestial's armor.

For a good example of the raw power of hulk... and other characters.. watch Ultimate Avengers... My god of that was an near perfect depiction of how I would have envisioned the comic turning to movie.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
The hulk did more to onslaught than thor could ever do.

maybe, but not more than a warrior madness thor could ever do. and that is where the circumstances change. thor at warrior madness is extremely powerful, and not to mention much more versatile than the hulk could ever hope to be. if you haven't noticed there is a nother thread going on now about whether WM Thor can defeat superman.

i repeat, Superman.

and i think the consensus is that he can, or it would at least be a close match. sadly for you, superman, at his full potential would make extremely short work of hulk. as in seconds short. and if wmt > sm, and sm > hulk, then wmt > hulk.

Originally posted by HisMajestyAC43
maybe, but not more than a warrior madness thor could ever do. and that is where the circumstances change. thor at warrior madness is extremely powerful, and not to mention much more versatile than the hulk could ever hope to be. if you haven't noticed there is a nother thread going on now about whether WM Thor can defeat superman.

i repeat, Superman.

and i think the consensus is that he can, or it would at least be a close match. sadly for you, superman, at his full potential would make extremely short work of hulk. as in seconds short. and if wmt > sm, and sm > hulk, then wmt > hulk.

As I say SO often in this forum - the transitive property does NOT always apply here. There are sometimes other factors.

However, I can indeed say that, in this case, it applies beautifully. Regular Thor is a match for the Hulk, Warrior Madness Thor makes Hulk a skid mark.

thank you.

hulk baby, no doubt. gets too strong for twhor, er thor.

Originally posted by HisMajestyAC43
maybe, but not more than a warrior madness thor could ever do. and that is where the circumstances change. thor at warrior madness is extremely powerful, and not to mention much more versatile than the hulk could ever hope to be. if you haven't noticed there is a nother thread going on now about whether WM Thor can defeat superman.

i repeat, Superman.

and i think the consensus is that he can, or it would at least be a close match. sadly for you, superman, at his full potential would make extremely short work of hulk. as in seconds short. and if wmt > sm, and sm > hulk, then wmt > hulk.




????? But the hulk defeated WM thor http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk440.html


He managed to beat him without killing him.



Hulk>warrior madness thor>superman.

Originally posted by Soljer
As I say SO often in this forum - the transitive property does NOT always apply here. There are sometimes other factors.

However, I can indeed say that, in this case, it applies beautifully. Regular Thor is a match for the Hulk, Warrior Madness Thor makes Hulk a skid mark.



Regular thor isnt a match! The hulk beat him in three punches, wm thor only survives the first 30 punches since wm thor is ten times stronger than regular thor.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
Regular thor isnt a match! The hulk beat him in three punches, wm thor only survives the first 30 punches since wm thor is ten times stronger than regular thor.


Wait the Hulk's strength doubles each punch so it would only be ten punches before wm thor fell.

It has never NEVER been stated that hulks strength doubles like that. Unless you got scans. Don't make stuff up. And I'm an avid hulk fan, so you're gonna be hardpressed to prove it.

So, Superchangeling, what about Rune King Thor? How many Hulk punches does he last?

Originally posted by Soljer
So, Superchangeling, what about Rune King Thor? How many Hulk punches does he last?



Enough for RKT to ko hulk, RKT

*wipes brow* Whew! I thought, for a second, that you were TOTALLY oblivious.

Now I see it is just mostly.

Regular, one-armed Thor killed the Hulk and the Thing with ease. Warrior Madness Thor with two arms makes a mockery out of the Hulk.

I am not a fan of the hulk but he is unstoppable compared to warrior madness thor! The Hulk has been proven stronger than superman, the hulk is a HEAVY HEAVY weight, he is the strongest one there is.

Originally posted by Soljer
*wipes brow* Whew! I thought, for a second, that you were TOTALLY oblivious.

Now I see it is just mostly.

Regular, one-armed Thor killed the Hulk and the Thing with ease. Warrior Madness Thor with two arms makes a mockery out of the Hulk.



The hulk beat thor into the ground, then he defeated wm thor without killing him, wm thor was the uncontroled one in that fight, and the hulk beat him at his best.

Just like when hulk broke unslaughts armor. The hulk is simply stronger than wm thor and superman.

Where has the hulk been proven stronger than Superman? Didn't superman lift the Spectre? Didn't he push maggeddon? Jesus! The hulk is strong, but nothing like Superman. The Hulk's best strength feat was the mountain, which is NOTHING compared to the weight of a star system.

And you still ignored that Regular Thor, with one arm, simultaneously destroyed both the Thing and the Hulk.

He didn't lift(if they did, it's just momentarily) the spectre. It was a team effort and they tripped him IIRC. I don't recall him pushing mageddon but i might be wrong on that one.

Originally posted by Soljer
Where has the hulk been proven stronger than Superman? Didn't superman lift the Spectre? Didn't he push maggeddon? Jesus! The hulk is strong, but nothing like Superman. The Hulk's best strength feat was the mountain, which is NOTHING compared to the weight of a star system.

And you still ignored that Regular Thor, with one arm, simultaneously destroyed both the Thing and the Hulk.



The hulks greatest feat was destroying a asteroid twice the size of earth,



Wait what about brakeing onslaughts armor when thor couldnt come close to onslaught.



The hulk was fighting thing when thor snock up on him. Your ignoreing when the hulk took out thor with three punches.

Destroying a big rock is no amazing feat. It is a case of durability and pressure.

Destroying Onslaught's armor was a plot device. SOMEONE had to destroy his corporeal form.

And I still find it funny that you like to reference Hulk knocking around Thor with 'three punches' while Thor KILLED the Hulk with ease.

Originally posted by Soljer
Destroying a big rock is no amazing feat. It is a case of durability and pressure.

Destroying Onslaught's armor was a plot device. SOMEONE had to destroy his corporeal form.

And I still find it funny that you like to reference Hulk knocking around Thor with 'three punches' while Thor KILLED the Hulk with ease.


Yeah he snock up on the hulk, fine thor wins, are you happy?

No, but at least you don't sound like an idiot anymore.

Originally posted by Soljer
No, but at least you don't sound like an idiot anymore.


Look who's talking mister, thor can beat hulk beacuse he snock up on him.

The Onslaught feat AFAIK wasn't his sole doing. Jean Grey had to disable Banner's personality first IIRC and it was mindless hulk that did that.

Originally posted by Soljer
No, but at least you don't sound like an idiot anymore.



Why do I sound like an idiot beacuse the hulk can beat thor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
The Onslaught feat AFAIK wasn't his sole doing. Jean Grey had to disable Banner's personality first IIRC and it was mindless hulk that did that.


And the mindless hulk isnt as strong as the classic hulk, so the hulk whoops thor big time!

I give up thor wins.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
I give up thor wins.
THE END OF THE WORLD IS UPON US!

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
The Onslaught feat AFAIK wasn't his sole doing. Jean Grey had to disable Banner's personality first IIRC and it was mindless hulk that did that.

That Hulk Spoke, it wasn't mindless. It was the Savage.

Originally posted by Dalak
That Hulk Spoke, it wasn't mindless. It was the Savage.

But it was bannerless...

And if you check out Mindless hulk's other appearance, you'd see he is capable of uttering simple sentences.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
And the mindless hulk isnt as strong as the classic hulk, so the hulk whoops thor big time!

Uhmm...yeah he is. Savage is like mindless only having a harder time getting angry. Mindless hulk's anger increase more rapidly having less simplified thoughts/emotions.

Mindless seems that way. He has no banner to hold him back. The more banner tends to exert himself, the less strength hulk tends to portray. IE. professor hulk could not rage.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Uhmm...yeah he is. Savage is like mindless only having a harder time getting angry. Mindless hulk's anger increase more rapidly having less simplified thoughts/emotions.

But it can't reach the peaks that the Savage can get in times of great stress thanks to caring about it (i.e. Betty/Jarella/Rick dying/being killed by the opponent). That is an advantage the thinking Hulk's have. Banner has always weakened the Hulk, but having the ability for emotion other than Anger can help.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
The Hulk was involved with Onslaught, Thanos with the infinity gauntlet, and He beat the gardener up, so he has been in cosmic fights before. so thats why a weak thanos owned hulk and x man?

Originally posted by HisMajestyAC43
but the difference is who they went to first. sure if they say we need earth's mightiest heroes, hulk will be on the list. but he's not exactly much of a match for a threat like thanos with the IG or Onslaught. in fact, neither is thor. seriously though, the gardener? the guy that grows flowers all day? i wouldn't call him a cosmic threat.

and WMThor has owned hulk before. get off hulks skin flute, or at least take some lessons before you play it. get off hulks skin flute classic...
ive heard it before, i just didnt think ide hear it on hear.

The Hulk wins 10 out of 9 times.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
The Hulk already beat WM thor,

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk440.html



And he did it without killing him, now amagine what he could do if he wanted to kill him!

Are you kidding? He didnt even hurt Thor. He just knocked him a distance away. Atleast the Gladiator was able to do some damage.

But Marvel has already told us how the fight would have ended by showing us that Thor can beat the Hulk and Thing despite having no Odin Power, no "warrior madness", no Hammer, and one arm. If you dont like it, write a letter to Marvel.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Are you kidding? He didnt even hurt Thor. He just knocked him a distance away. Atleast the Gladiator was able to do some damage.

But Marvel has already told us how the fight would have ended by showing us that Thor can beat the Hulk and Thing despite having no Odin Power, no "warrior madness", no Hammer, and one arm. If you dont like it, write a letter to Marvel.



Thor snock up on the hulk.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling

http://img44.echo.cx/img44/9328/avengersih300h2kk.jpg



Have I finnaly made it clear that the Hulk can beat Thor?

No, you have made it clear that when they went toe to toe, that it was even as long as Thor was holding back, but when Thor, despite his reach disadvantage, was able to punch the Hulk without holding back, the Hulk was not able to hold his ground and resorted to using projectiles.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
Thor snock up on the hulk.

No. Hulk and Thing ambushed the one-armed, hammerless, odinpowerless Thor and still ended up dead.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
No, you have made it clear that when they went toe to toe, that it was even as long as Thor was holding back, but when Thor, despite his reach disadvantage, was able to punch the Hulk without holding back, the Hulk was not able to hold his ground and resorted to using projectiles.

It was Thor giving himself completely. He hit Hulk as hard as he can, but he failed to do anything to him. Not even a scratch. Also, remember that this is Mindless Hulk. He has no sense of honour. He would've used everything as a weapon/projectile against anyone. No matter how strong or weak. Remember, this is the same Hulk that trashed half of the city. It's just that Thor realized that the adamantium statue is a deadly weapon in Hulk's hands.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
It was Thor giving himself completely. He hit Hulk as hard as he can, but he failed to do anything to him. Not even a scratch. Also, remember that this is Mindless Hulk. He has no sense of honour. He would've used everything as a weapon/projectile against anyone. No matter how strong or weak. Remember, this is the same Hulk that trashed half of the city. It's just that Thor realized that the adamantium statue is a deadly weapon in Hulk's hands.

Not quite. It was his first punch without holding back. That's hardly giving yourself completely. Giving yourself completely is going all out beyond exhaustion. He barely got going.

It would have taken a while for Thor to catch up with and find where he had smashed the Hulk. In that time all hulk was able to do is stand up. I hardly think he sat there pondering the meaning of the universe while Thor caught up.

The statue would be deadly in the hands of any of the heavy hitters such as Thor, Hulk, Gladiator, Hercules, etc., basically, anyone who can throw it into space. The reason is that if the statue is thrown at escape velocity (as a number of characters could easily) and for whatever reason Thor is unable to evade, he would not be able to destroy it with his hammer and hence would "eat" it badly.

As for lacking honor, this is the key differentiator between the Hulk and Thor in all their fights and a key advantage for the hulk against a superior opponent who not only holds back for fear of killing banner but is also wary of civilian casualities, ie., "collateral damage."

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Not quite. It was his first punch without holding back. That's hardly giving yourself completely. Giving yourself completely is going all out beyond exhaustion. He barely got going.

It would have taken a while for Thor to catch up with and find where he had smashed the Hulk. In that time all hulk was able to do is stand up. I hardly think he sat there pondering the meaning of the universe while Thor caught up. The statue would be deadly in the hands of any of the heavy hitters such as Thor, Hulk, Gladiator, Hercules, etc., basically, anyone who can throw it into space. The reason is that if the statue is thrown at escape velocity (as a number of characters could easily) and for whatever reason Thor is unable to evade, he would not be able to destroy it with his hammer and hence would "eat" it badly.

As for lacking honor, this is the key differentiator between the Hulk and Thor in all their fights and a key advantage for the hulk against a superior opponent who not only holds back for fear of killing banner but is also wary of civilian casualities, ie., "collateral damage."

I was not his first punch while holding back. It only said that he wasn't holding back to explain why Hulk was knocked backwards by Mjolnir. Watch the other scans. They were going at it. And I know the statue would be deadly in the hands of any heavy hitter. That wasn't the point. The only heavy hitter to challenge Thor at that moment was Hulk, so yes, in his hands it would be deadly.

Savage Hulk doesn't want casualties either. In that one occasion where he threatened to "kill" the girl if Thor didn't drop his hammer, he wasn't going to kil her for real. It would be out of character. And it's idiocy to think that Thor holds back without Mjolnir. He's not that strong. With Mjonir, he might hold back, but we saw what happened: nothing. And just because Thor doesn't want to kill Banner doesn't mean he can do so in a fist fight. Thor holding back would be him not using his exotic mjolnir powers. Thor admits that he's physically inferior to Hulk in Hulk anual 2001.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Not quite. It was his first punch without holding back. That's hardly giving yourself completely. Giving yourself completely is going all out beyond exhaustion. He barely got going.

It would have taken a while for Thor to catch up with and find where he had smashed the Hulk. In that time all hulk was able to do is stand up. I hardly think he sat there pondering the meaning of the universe while Thor caught up.

The statue would be deadly in the hands of any of the heavy hitters such as Thor, Hulk, Gladiator, Hercules, etc., basically, anyone who can throw it into space. The reason is that if the statue is thrown at escape velocity (as a number of characters could easily) and for whatever reason Thor is unable to evade, he would not be able to destroy it with his hammer and hence would "eat" it badly.

As for lacking honor, this is the key differentiator between the Hulk and Thor in all their fights and a key advantage for the hulk against a superior opponent who not only holds back for fear of killing banner but is also wary of civilian casualities, ie., "collateral damage."

Okay, First of all, I can show proof of Hulk Holging back in most of their fights and I can show proof of Thor NOT HOLDNING BACK in at least 1, 2 if you count the Warrior Madness Light vs Young Maestro. Thor admits it after Hulk jumps away after the Hammerless Fight. Hulk could have continued to pound Thor in the past till he was a stain, but he didn't.

The fact is the Hulk fights to Beat his enemies, not kill them. THe Hulk lives to show his dominance over others, and you can't show that if they're dead.

And you can spout that BS feat all you want, you know as well as I that "Tree > Hulk" is more PIS than when Thor's hallucination in Warrior Madness punches Drax (Which to this date no one has been able to explain to me).

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I was not his first punch while holding back. It only said that he wasn't holding back to explain why Hulk was knocked backwards by Mjolnir.

It specifically says, "not holding back, Thor strikes", so obviously that particular strike was different from all the other strikes by Thor. Also, the Hammer didnt hit Hulk, Thor did.



Of course they were, but obviously realizing that he wasnt going to be able to subdue the hulk while holding back, he cut loose with that strike that sent the Hulk flying into the statue.



Correct.



The difference is that the Hulk is oblivious to the danger to civilians while Thor is constantly worried about it. The hulk didnt care what he threw at thor or who was inside. The moment where he finally actually hurt Thor in that fight, by throwing a train at him, do you think the train was unoccupied? Would Thor have ever considered such a tactic? Of course not.



Now youre just making things up. The hammer doesnt make Thor the slightest bit stronger.



Is this why he has twice killed the hulk with his bare hands?



No. Thor holding back is not striking with full force for fear of killing the opponent.



In some ways Hulk's physique is far superior. Hulk's body is much more strongly built in terms of the damage it can absorb and recover from. However, this is not the same as lifting ability or punching power where there is ample evidence that Thor atleast matches and probably exceeds the hulk, perhaps, when his power is not compromised by Odin's various mind-games, by a significant margin.

Why was Thor able to easily defeat, using physical force, opponents who would easily hold their own against the Hulk? Why was Thor able to beat down Thanos while Hulk was kicked around? Why did Marvel have Thor single-handedly (literally) kill the Hulk and Thing despite having just sustained a severe injury and being ambushed?

What's relevant in all this is not what you or I think but what Marvel thinks. The published has been quite clear. Thor can beat the crap out of the hulk without the hammer, without having "warrior madness", without the odin-power boosting his strength, and even without an arm.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
It specifically says, "not holding back, Thor strikes", so obviously that particular strike was different from all the other strikes by Thor. Also, the Hammer didnt hit Hulk, Thor did.

You should read the other scans.

Hammer or not, he didn't even scratch him.



Which, again, didn't do anything. For all we know Thor had leverage in that panel. What happens in the scans before is Thor and Hulk going all out with Thor explicitly saying that he's not holding back.




Those were two different Hulks.

And you'd be surprised to see how much he (subconsciously) cares about the safety of others. Remember the Hulk's own series where he saved trains, planes and all that jazz from crashing because he doesn't want to let puny humans die? The Hulk is selfish in a childish way, but he's also a good hearted guy. And still, Thor hit him just as hard as Hulk hit him. He knocked him into a gas tanker, which exploded. That carelessness is what plagues Thor, but he didn't hold back. Accidently or not.

Mindless Hulk doesn't care about anyone. That's why Thor stopped holding back, because it wasn't enough. That doesn't surprise me in the slightest. What does surprise me is that he didn't use his powers to whisk him away. Anyway, the fight didn't start at that one punch. Earlier scans showed the other Avengers stand in awe.





No, but it gives him other abilities. In a man to man fight, he's simply not that mighty. There's not reason to hold back then.





One was out of continuity, the other was PIS. He can take his life in other way, but not in that way. That what just ridiculous. The fight happens mostly ofscreen but what is implied proves to me that the writer was an idiot who ignored a full history of much higher showings in favour of a golden moment for Thor. You don't see Aunt May laying the smack on Galactus, do you?




He struck with full force before and Hulk didn't seem to care.





Again, how can you match something that is so incredibly fluctuating? The Hulk has done more stuff than just the mountain feat as Banner-Hulk. And you can't ignore Thor himself saying that Hulk is stronger. I mean, how can he not be? He(talking Savage Hulk here) has NEVER failed to live up to a strength feat in the past. When something needs to be done, the adrenaline will rise until he's pulled it off. Even in instances where he's at a disadvantage, such as the times where he had to overload strength sapping devices. No honestly, if Thor can lift the Serpent, then so can Hulk. And the Hulk's strength potential is far less debatable than Thor physically killing him with one arm.

But you are right, it did happen. I can accept that. Just like I also accept countless other freak occurances. That doesn't make it right, though.think about this: How can you logically defeat someone in a battle who's more than your equal (physically), with just one arm? Eh. If Thor smacks, for instance, Thanos physically, then Hulk(Savage, Prof is the one that got beaten) should be able to do it as well. Or Thor shouldn't. The mistake many writers make is that because Thor is deemed a powerful god, he can go against cosmic beings with physical force alone, ignoring that Thor is really not stronger or more durable than some of earth's strongest characters. Thor not using Mjolnir's powers is just a brawler. And given the fact that he's neither as durable nor as strong as some characters, his victories are questionable. Unless he uses Mjolnir to speed blitz.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
It specifically says, "not holding back, Thor strikes", so obviously that particular strike was different from all the other strikes by Thor. Also, the Hammer didnt hit Hulk, Thor did.



Of course they were, but obviously realizing that he wasnt going to be able to subdue the hulk while holding back, he cut loose with that strike that sent the Hulk flying into the statue.



Correct.



The difference is that the Hulk is oblivious to the danger to civilians while Thor is constantly worried about it. The hulk didnt care what he threw at thor or who was inside. The moment where he finally actually hurt Thor in that fight, by throwing a train at him, do you think the train was unoccupied? Would Thor have ever considered such a tactic? Of course not.



Now youre just making things up. The hammer doesnt make Thor the slightest bit stronger.



Is this why he has twice killed the hulk with his bare hands?



No. Thor holding back is not striking with full force for fear of killing the opponent.



In some ways Hulk's physique is far superior. Hulk's body is much more strongly built in terms of the damage it can absorb and recover from. However, this is not the same as lifting ability or punching power where there is ample evidence that Thor atleast matches and probably exceeds the hulk, perhaps, when his power is not compromised by Odin's various mind-games, by a significant margin.

Why was Thor able to easily defeat, using physical force, opponents who would easily hold their own against the Hulk? Why was Thor able to beat down Thanos while Hulk was kicked around? Why did Marvel have Thor single-handedly (literally) kill the Hulk and Thing despite having just sustained a severe injury and being ambushed?

What's relevant in all this is not what you or I think but what Marvel thinks. The published has been quite clear. Thor can beat the crap out of the hulk without the hammer, without having "warrior madness", without the odin-power boosting his strength, and even without an arm.

"WM THor w/ Power Gem" beat Thanos, not "Thor". Quit misrepresenting feats and using Uber-Amped versions to boost the regular character dishonestly.

Your BS is what is relevant.

Originally posted by Dalak
"WM THor w/ Power Gem" beat Thanos, not "Thor". Quit misrepresenting feats and using Uber-Amped versions to boost the regular character dishonestly.

Your BS is what is relevant. he didnt beat thanos!!

Originally posted by bigbran
he didnt beat thanos!!

Then that's even better

Originally posted by Dalak
Then that's even better thanos beat thor.
but they did stand h2h, for the whole time.

In Marvel: The end. Thanos mentions that the Thanos defeated by Thor was one of his clones, which, as created, were unintelligent, destructive brutes, unlike the real Thanos. So Thor ++ was able to beat watered down Thanos... .. whoopdedoo.

Originally posted by rotiart
In Marvel: The end. Thanos mentions that the Thanos defeated by Thor was one of his clones, which, as created, were unintelligent, destructive brutes, unlike the real Thanos. So Thor ++ was able to beat watered down Thanos... .. whoopdedoo. which time?
the one where odin power thor beat him.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You should read the other scans.

Hammer or not, he didn't even scratch him.

Or maybe the hulk's ribs were broken but he healed from it. He certainly didnt get up and come chasing after Thor. On the contrary, Thor was chasing after the Hulk, who by the time Thor found him had just stood up.



So are you saying that the strike that sent the hulk flying was not different from the punches that did not? What about all the punches the mindless hulk struck against a perfectly sane and conversant Thor that had no effect whatsoever? Hmmmm ....



I'm sure they were in even more awestruck when after watching a crazed hulk and perfectly sane thor pounding on each other with neither gaining an advantage, thor struck without holding back sent the hulk flying.



You say "he's simply not that mighty" yet he has physically beaten (without using "other abilities" characters who could physically beat the hulk, plus, in fair conditions (no worries about civilian casualties or killing banner), he has killed the hulk twice, once with his bare hands, and once with one hand. If Thor's not all that "mighty" then what does that say about the hulk?



So now Thor killing the hulk is like aunt may beating galactus? As for one being out of continuity, it wasnt a what if where character's capabilties were changed or altered as in an alternate universe, rather one that simply posed a question as to what would happen if the characters, in their current state, were placed in extraordinary circumstances. In this case, Thor is placed in a situation where he cannot hold back and must kill the hulk, which he does.

As for the other kill being "PIS" it seems that has become the standard defence for Hulk losing.

If the Thing beats the hulk, who is stronger and tougher, that can be considered PIS, but for Thor to easily beat a bunch of characters that can beat the hulk then lose to the hulk, that is PIS.

So what is PIS is if the hulk ever beats Thor on neutral ground. Of course, this has never happened. But then again, Batman beat hulk and Captain America almost beat Thor so anything is possible in the world of comics.



Hulk did care. He realized that to beat Thor he has to hurl heavy objects at him instead of fighting toe-to-toe.



Stronger in what way? He said "is there no limit to his strength" when the hulk was not demonstrating lifting ability or punching power but physical resilience, the ability to take damage and recover. In a test of strength, the Hulk was unable to defeat Thor, despite his advantage in size and leverage. Ambushing your opponent and beating him senseless before he knows whats going on isnt a win. If that's the case, the Thing can beat the Hulk.



More than once he has failed to defeat Thor in a test of strength. Maybe he has a crush on ol' goldilocks and this keeps Hulk's adrenaline from rising. Or maybe Thor is too strong for the Hulk to defeat.



Since Marvel has repeatedly shown that the Hulk can't beat Thor in a test of strength despite his advantage in size and leverage, and despite Thor not being at full potential (such as when he easily physically overpowered Drax and Maxam simultaneously), it becomes apparent that the Hulk's chances at lifting the midgard serpent is quite questionable. On the other hand, in the full context of Hulk/Thor conflicts, and Thor/Characters-Who-Could-Beat-Hulk conflicts, that Thor killed the Hulk with one arm seems quite reasonable.

Marvel certainly thinks so.



Freak occurances like batmean beating the hulk or captain america beating thor are freak occurances because they are not supported by data from the past. However, Thor killing the hulk is well withing the bounds of what has happened before. It's all about seeing the bigger picture.



You can't. Thats why since Thor beat hulk with one arm, we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Thor can beat up the hulk. That and many other reasons, such as all the times that Thor beat up people who can beat up the hulk.



Thor doesnt "smack" Thanos, but he can, under the right circumstances, like when Thanos is distracted, beat him up before he has a chance to respond, much the same way that the Hulk beat Thor on that one occasion.




Savage is definitely not stronger than Thor as shown by the two tests of strength where he failed to beat Thor. Yet Thor has shown the ability to increase his strength output, such as in his test of strength with another Immortal, hercules, where the very planet is shaken. So we can see, that since the test of strength between Hulk and Thor didnt have that level of power output, and since we know that the Hulk does not hold back, we can logically conclude that Thor was holding back, at the least subconciously, perhaps because he was fighting a mortal.



Unless Marvel considers that Thor really is, at the least, stronger than those characters. And being a fictionional character adapted by Marvel, Marvel can make Thor as strong as they want him to be. There are only a handful of times that Thor has been shown to be physically less strong (actually beating Thor in a test of strength, such as Zeus) and none of those occasions involve the hulk.

In fact, by showing that Thor is atleast as strong as the hulk by not losing in protracted test of strength despite a disadvantage in size and leverage, they are saying that Thor can perform any of the feats people think the hulk can do, from killing celestials to beating eternity using infinite strength punches.



So youre throwing out the window decades of victories won through lifting ability and punching power because, for unknown reasons, you believe that Thor isnt particularly durable or strong? Perhaps instead of questioning all those victories to justify your interpretation of one or two events, perhaps you should question you interpretation of those events. That would be more logical.



"speed blitz"? There is no such thing unless you mean that he would be taking someone by surprise and attacking with full power before the other has a chance to recover. That's not really a fair fight is it. It's the only way he could take down Thanos and the only way Hulk could take him down but unless all of reality depends on it, Thor isn't likely to do this.

Originally posted by bigbran
which time?
the one where odin power thor beat him.

SOme time in the past Thor was supposed to ahve killed Thanos, but in Marvel The End I think he's talking about the same one he talked about when he was making the Thanosi Clones in Infinity Abyss. yeah, the Thanos that THor took out was a fake.

Originally posted by bigbran
he didnt beat thanos!!


Thor never beat Thanos and I never said he "beat" him. I said he beat him down, which is what happen in IG when Thanos was distracted. Thor jumped him and pounded him to the floor.

Originally posted by Dalak
SOme time in the past Thor was supposed to ahve killed Thanos, but in Marvel The End I think he's talking about the same one he talked about when he was making the Thanosi Clones in Infinity Abyss. yeah, the Thanos that THor took out was a fake. oh ya, when thor shot the g blast, and it whiped him out.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Thor never beat Thanos and I never said he "beat" him. I said he beat him down, which is what happen in IG when Thanos was distracted. Thor jumped him and pounded him to the floor. oh, that was stupid, he had the ig, for god sake!!

Originally posted by bigbran
oh, that was stupid, he had the ig, for god sake!!

And he was utilizing the Power Gem in a consious fashion. That means Infinite Power. Agreed, total PIS.

Originally posted by Dalak
And he was utilizing the Power Gem in a consious fashion. That means Infinite Power. Agreed, total PIS. he did it 2x too, and add the fact that it was masterson thor...

Eh what? I'm not questiong someone when there's no need to. Thor can defeat many people with Mjolnir. But Thor faring any better than, say Hulk, against cosmic characters in a purely physical match is ludicrous. You'll be saying that he wins because he holds back against Hulk(which usually mean holding back with MJOLNIR's powers, not holding back physically), but I'll be saying that Thor shouldn't win against cosmics with strength alone.



Thor can use Mjolnir to move at light speeds. But that's not how he should win against Thanos.

Eh....Try to keep it shorter, next time

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yeah, sure

If that's how you wish to see it, fine.

Point is, your claim that Hulk was uninjured is pure speculation. All we do know is that by the time Thor got to him, the hulk was still at the place where he was forcibly relocated. Either he was completely uninjured and was contemplating tactics while he waited for Thor to catch up or he was injured and took a bit of time to recover while Thor caught up. What do you think is more likely?



Of course there was. It was because Thor was unable to gain an advantage while holding back that he decided to let one fly.



Huh?



No basis for this claim.



Glad to see you finally understand this one aspect of the discussion.



It was quite clear that Thor overpowered the Hulk. The book clearly states that the Huk could not resist the blow whereas earlier, they had been bashing each other, with Hulk going all out, Thor holding back and both resisted each other perfectly well.



Or hulk had his face messed up and healed from it while Thor searched for him. There must be a reason why the Hulk had not moved from where he had been deposited while Thor was in transit.



You're confusing yourself. Character B beats Character C, not Character C (also) beats Character C. Youre misrepresentation of my statement has Thor beating Drax, Hulk beating Drax, and therefore Thor beating Hulk.

What you meant to say is Character A beats character B, Character B beats Character C, therefore Character A beats Character C. This is logic works pretty well in situations where we are discussing toe-to-toe physical fights. So throwing names in, we have Thor beats Drax, Drax beats Hulk, so Thor beats Hulk. ;-)



Everything is possible if logic is abandoned. But if we use logic, we can see that given the number of Hulk beaters Thor has beaten, it is utter PIS for Hulk to beat Thor. That's why it hasnt happened.



Like I said, write a letter to Marvel if you are dissatisfied.



Sure, the hulk can hurt Thor. I'm sure the Thing can as well. That doesnt mean the Hulk and Thing can beat Thor. In fact, last time I checked they tried doing it together and both ended up dead. I'm sure they got their licks in though, after all they ambushed Thor who had no hammer, no odin-power, and had just suffered a severe bodily injury.



Hulk throws.



As I said earlier, in terms of durability and recovery the Hulk is far superior. There is no doubt about this. There are very few injuries the Hulk could not recover from.

As for raw strength, it does seem to be a stalemate but even then it can be shown that Thor wasnt using his full strength. It has been shown that he subconciously holds back when he's around mortals. When its just him and Hercules and no one else they shake planets.

And Hulk didnt knock the crap out of Thor, he couldnt do anything to him until he threw a train at him, ie., he used a large projectile where his fists failed. There was another occasion where the Hulk hurt Thor with his fists but on that occasion he caught Thor by surprise. Thor even had some success against Thanos when he caught him by surprise but head to head we all know what would happen.



Sure, after he used a large projectile where his fists had failed to have any effect whatsoever. When he was going all out while Thor was constantly adjusting to avoid civilian injuries. It's quite clear what happens when Thor doesnt hold back and is unconcerned with collateral damage.



Really? So the guy who physically beat up characters who would physically beat up the hulk should not be able to physically beat up the hulk?



Which one? What about writers for other comics where Thor has been shown performing physical feats that are beyond the Hulk?



You have it reveresed. Since Hulk, no matter how much time he is given or how angry he is has been unable to defeat Thor in tests of strength despite his larger size and leverage, it is Thor who can perform any act of strength the Hulk can.



Nor immortal Hercules.



So now youre saying Ironclad is superior to Thor as well? Are you kidding?



Oh god youre getting sillier by the second. Subconciously NOT holding back?? If Thor wasnt holding back, he would have layed out the Hulk for good with his first punch. It's also been established by Marvel that Thor always holds back when he's around mortals.



Good point. This is why we go by many different writers. The sum of this is that when Thor doesnt hold back, hulk gets smacked around.



You are confusing yourself again. Fact is, Thor's strength has a limit and if Hulk cannot exceed or even match that limit (as has been shown throughout Marvel history), then it's apparent that the Hulk's strength has a limit too. This means that he won't be killing Celestials with infinite rage/strength punches any time soon.



As already explained, Thor was marvelling at the Hulk's ability to regain his full strength after taking a beating, not his actual muscle strength. On every occasion where they engaged in a test of strength the Hulk was unable to win no matter how long the contest went on. Marvel has been very consistent on this: Hulk can never defeat Thor in muscle strength.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Eh what? I'm not questiong someone when there's no need to. Thor can defeat many people with Mjolnir. But Thor faring any better than, say Hulk, against cosmic characters in a purely physical match is ludicrous.

But Marvel has been quite consistent that Thor can beat them physically. It's not just one writer and one fight. Its many writers and many fights. Given that those cosmics would thrash Hulk, it is therefore logical that Hulk beating Thor is PIS.



I'll be saying he wins because Marvel says he can. Marvel has also said he holds back when he's around mortals. When you say that Thor should not beat "cosmics" with strength alone, you will be contradicting an established and often repeated aspect of Marvel history.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Eh....Try to keep it shorter, next time

Since we are responding to each other point by point it really isnt possible. It seems we have now expanded to three posts each.

Actually, let's call it quits. We're startin to rehash old arguments.

Originally posted by aliveinboston Oh god youre getting sillier by the second. Subconciously NOT holding back?? If Thor wasnt holding back, he would have layed out the Hulk for good with his first punch. It's also been established by Marvel that Thor always holds back when he's around mortals.



Good point. This is why we go by many different writers. The sum of this is that when Thor doesnt hold back, hulk gets smacked around.

I remember arguing this point before:

Originally posted by Dalak
I was looking back and I saw the argument about Thor holding back against the Hulk. I think I can not only prove that wrong but that Hulk holds back when fighting most of the time.

He belives he has shown his superiority to Thor, so he stops fighting while Thor admits he was lost in the battle thanks to his Ego: http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2883/thormt385q1wi.jpg

Another time Hulk smashes Thor into a hole in the ground, and then walks away. He has to know that Thor isn't dead: http://img159.exs.cx/img159/4041/thorih2001b5ku.jpg

Hulk vs. Norvell. Hulk stops multiple swings from Norvell's hammer. (Norvell and his hammer are equal in power to Thor and Mjolnir.) IH #422 (D: I'm not sure about the claim to them being equal, but it looks close. And this is a Hulk holding back too. Unfortunately I don't have access to my comics to verify the end of this fight)
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/133/norvell1a7rc.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1539/norvell1b4hz.jpg
http://img113.echo.cx/img113/3614/norvell1c7fj.jpg
http://img146.echo.cx/img146/8590/norvell1d3zv.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5085/norvell1e1sc.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7289/norvell1f4jl.jpg


Hulk vs. Thor IH #440 - (D: Cut to when Thor stops 'Holding back' and after)
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/9763/thorih440g0ok.jpg
http://img189.echo.cx/img189/5756/thorih440h7zp.jpg
http://img189.echo.cx/img189/9498/thorih440i1tq.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/606/thorih440j4ux.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/4999/thorih440k5wp.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/746/thorih440l5ho.jpg
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/3118/nuke54wz.jpg

Grey Hulk vs. "Pineapple" Thing, round two. Thing, having just beaten Doom's robot Hulk, is confronted by the real deal once more. IH #350. (D: Again, cut to the Holding Back part, even Fixit wants to prov he's better without Killing his 'rivals')
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3016/thingih350i3mq.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4446/thingih350j6vl.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7374/thingih350k7de.jpg

And while I do not have access to my comics right now, RIGHT AFTER finding out that the Abomination was the one to kill Betty in a government lab, Hulk still holds back and doesn't kill the soldiers around him despite them spraying him with bullets and a flamethrower to the face.

And the fact that he hasn't killed hundreds of thousands of soldiers at this point also speaks for his holding back. A Bloodlusted Hulk won't be doing that.

OT: Thor comments on how limitless Hulk's strength seems http://img78.echo.cx/img78/5857/thormt385n4pr.jpg

Another scene of Hulk saying how much angrier he's gotten supporting Unlimited Rage: http://img145.exs.cx/img145/4783/genis5qn.jpg Remember, with Gamma mutants, it's all about Self Image.

Btw. in marvel good guys win, bad guys lose. when hulks the bad guy...

Originally posted by rotiart
Btw. in marvel good guys win, bad guys lose. when hulks the bad guy... i think your thinking of dc...

Originally posted by bigbran
i think your thinking of dc...

In that case it would be "Superman Wins, everyone else loses"

Originally posted by bigbran
i think your thinking of dc...
No because it be
Good Guys win,Bad Guys lose and Superman is unbeatable

Originally posted by Broly92
No because it be
Good Guys win,Bad Guys lose and Superman is unbeatable

Ha Ha!

I am Defeat you!

Originally posted by Dalak
Ha Ha!

I am Defeat you!


What?

Originally posted by Broly92
What?

I beat you to the "Superman Wins" angle

I think in a lot of ways, it's a standstill. These Thor/Hulk fights are always the most interesting to me, because they're both my favorite heroes of all time. I think in a straight fight, neither wins, it gets seperated by some odd means. Thor and Hulk are greats, and losing either of them would seriously piss off fans on either end. In a fight to the death? I'd go with Hulk, as I do with most things with him "to the death" for these reasons.

- Hulks strength goes up constantly in most combat/stressful situations, ranging from IIRC 70-80ish Class to 100+.
- Hulk cannot physically "die". I believe there are several instances of him regenerating from impossible wounds in the Hulk Respect thread, my favorite being from "Hulk: The End," where hulk is reduced to a pile of tissue and organs, and is recorded by banner using a camera to count the minutes it took for Hulk to come back from an unbelievebly mutilated state. Therefore, I'd stick with Hulk not being able to "die" by any physical means.

As for Hulk losing to lots of people...I believe in the Marvel universe that Hulk is the classic 'bruiser,' he's the classic tough monster that everyone recognizes. Say a new character comes to the scene, or wants to distinguish himself, they could put him up against someone like the Hulk and have them win to have them gain respect with fans and new readers. I can see lots of the writers for the old comics never planning on having Hulk blow up into such an unstopable monster, I think they would have liked to have him a character kind of like the Rhino, a classic tough stupid...someone you're pretty glad to see get beat because he's just the polar opposite of most protagonists. Not many people care much about what happens to the Hulk, and I imagine a lot of that comes from the effort it takes to develop an interesting character for him. Most of the time, you can pretty much guess what'll happen in any Hulk book: Banner whines or gets in a predicament (sp?), Hulk comes out, Hulk gets mad (and tells everyone), then Hulk beats everything up, or almost does, then Banner changes back and does some thinking (or Betty comforts him).

Concerning Hulk dealing with important and cosmic situations: Hulk is unreliable. He always has been, and he probably always will be. People that have dealt with the Hulk know that there's always the possiblity one of his persona's could come back. Hulk's a loose cannon...no one wants to send a ticking time-bomb to fix a delicate situation. This is where Thor comes in, and this is where Thor shines gloriously over Hulk. Thor is rational, Thor is intellegent, and most importantly, Thor almost always has a good chance at kicking someone's ass. He's got a lot of things over Hulk, for example, he's ALWAYS strong. Hulk is strong, but he's most important when he gets stronger...something that takes a little bit of time.

Anyhow, I believe the Hulk/Thor fight is always a standstill. They'll beat the crap out of each other forever and they'll both take turn gaining ground. I believe Hulk gets thrown around by big hits a lot because he just doesn't care. Part of him has the mindset that no matter how hard he gets hit, he's just going to get back up and hit the attacker harder.

I love Hulk. I love Thor.
Why can't they just get along (and kill Superman)?

The Hulk whooped onslaughts physical form, and he already proved a match for warrior madness thor.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
The Hulk whooped onslaughts physical form, and he already proved a match for warrior madness thor. no he didnt that was young maestro, 2x as much radiation, are you even listening anymore?

Originally posted by bigbran
no he didnt that was young maestro, 2x as much radiation, are you even listening anymore?






Oh OK. The HULK KILLED Onslaughts physical form.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
Oh OK. The HULK KILLED Onslaughts physical form. no he cracked his armour. its impossible to beat onslaght in physical strength. onslaughts final form is an energy form, therefore hulk broke out onslaughts final form.

Originally posted by bigbran
no he cracked his armour. its impossible to beat onslaght in physical strength. onslaughts final form is an energy form, therefore hulk broke out onslaughts final form.



No he broke his second forms armor, and onsluaght couldnt stop him, then the avengers and bruce ran into his 3rd form which was weaker, and defeated him.

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
No he broke his second forms armor, and onsluaght couldnt stop him, then the avengers and bruce ran into his 3rd form which was weaker, and defeated him. your forgetting the part where batman koed hulk....

Originally posted by bigbran
your forgetting the part where batman koed hulk....


Oh really? http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/125/HulkXBatman.jpg

Originally posted by SuperChangeling
Oh really? http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/125/HulkXBatman.jpg yep, he batkicked hi in the stomach, and hulk went out.

Originally posted by bigbran
yep, he batkicked hi in the stomach, and hulk went out.
I thought he used pressure points

Batkick to Stomach made Hulk inhale gas. The Gas knocked Hulk out.

Batdude is a bit too obsessed with that Batkick

Ahhhhhhhhh,,,yes the famous HulkBuster kick