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who wins?
they fight in an open area besides a forest.

Which Sasquatch?

1) Walter Langwaski
2) Bigfoot of myth

walter.

Been done before

Sasquatch 10/10

Both members of Alpha FLight...oh what to do?...what to do?

Sasquatch.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Been done before

Sasquatch 10/10 well you know how the serch function is...

Huh go figure, the Hercules vs. Wolverine thread is 7 pages and still going strong

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Both members of Alpha FLight...oh what to do?...what to do?

say Wolverine wuld win.....

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
say Wolverine wuld win..... no.

or yes...I say yes

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
or yes...I say yes no.

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
or yes...I say yes

Originally posted by bigbran
no.

I'm not THAT familiar with Sasquatch, so if anybody wants to correct me, feel free, but I'm pretty sure Walter isn't half the fighter that Wolverine is.

Wolverine can and will take a few punches from Sasquatch. Can Sasquatch take a few stabs / cuts from Wolverine ?

Don't forget, this fight is "close combat", and that's where Wolverine shines.

Sasquatch has a healing factor too. All it takes is a simple punch to knock Logan out of commission.

No it doesnt...pfff simple punch. Wolverine has taken Hulk punches and hasnt been knocked out

Originally posted by joesha28
Sasquatch has a healing factor too. All it takes is a simple punch to knock Logan out of commission.
Everybody has got a healing factor these days. But can he keep on fighting without a head or a leg ?

Can Logan fight if he is spilt into half?

yes...and how is Sasquatch goin to split him in half?

Sasquatch, dammit. Wolverine, as good as he may be, shouldn't stand a chance against these powerhouses. The PIS needs to end. Please.

Exactly. The next time i might hear Logan saying " Eat this bub!" to LT.

Wolverine cant detect Sasquatch (Magic)

Sasquatch has gone head to head with Thing, Hulk, ect... and held his own.

Other than that Sasquatch can turn into Tanaraque (think I spelled it right) who is as strong as guys like Juggernaut and an Angry Savage Hulk

Wolverine is screwed in everywhich way here

Nah, the more I think about it, the more I give it to Wolverine.

The only way I see Sasquatch winning this one, is sneaking up behind Wolverine and immediately punching and kicking him all over the place, before Wolverine realizes what the hell is going on. In that case, Sasquatch is the real winner.

Most other scenarios are a draw or a win for Wolverine.

i dont think sassy has ever been manhandeled.
he fought against hulk for a 30 minute standstill, and we all know hulk gets stronger as time goes by, because of his anger.

,

Looks like Hulk was holding back.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/gammaattacks/hulkan8-fight.jpg

Can anyone post the whole fight?

scans dont work!

Originally posted by who?-kid
I'm not THAT familiar with Sasquatch, so if anybody wants to correct me, feel free, but I'm pretty sure Walter isn't half the fighter that Wolverine is.

Wolverine can and will take a few punches from Sasquatch. Can Sasquatch take a few stabs / cuts from Wolverine ?

Don't forget, this fight is "close combat", and that's where Wolverine shines. Sas takes this just trust us on this one, no need for explanation's really.

and im saying its a good showing for sassy to do so.
nothing on hulk right now...

Sasquatch for the win, and the only real time he was manhandled was Llan, a being Dr.Strange was afraid of and nearly died twice from small attacks from him.

Sasquatch vs. Wolverine (battle #1)
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM_120_Sasquatch.jpg

Sasquatch vs. Wolverine (battle #2)
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_012.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_013.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_014.jpg

Even Exiles Sasquatch (who is weaker than 616 Sasquatch) was the one responsible for killing her realities Wolverine
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Sasquatch bio:
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Sasquatch_I

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Looks like Hulk was holding back.

Can anyone post the whole fight?

Against Sasquatch? no he wasn't, I even posted the entire scans in the respect thread. He was furious even his skin turned red he was so angry.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sasquatch for the win, and the only real time he was manhandled was Llan, a being Dr.Strange was afraid of and nearly died twice from small attacks from him.

Sasquatch vs. Wolverine (battle #1)
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM_120_Sasquatch.jpg

Sasquatch vs. Wolverine (battle #2)
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_012.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_013.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_014.jpg

Even Exiles Sasquatch (who is weaker than 616 Sasquatch) was the one responsible for killing her realities Wolverine
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Sasquatch bio:
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Sasquatch_I i know he got manhandeled by llan. got his arm snapped like a toothpick. just saying against earth heroes.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sasquatch for the win, and the only real time he was manhandled was Llan, a being Dr.Strange was afraid of and nearly died twice from small attacks from him.

Sasquatch vs. Wolverine (battle #1)
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM_120_Sasquatch.jpg

Sasquatch vs. Wolverine (battle #2)
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_012.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_013.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_014.jpg

Those two fights you posted, prove my point. I said that a Sasquatch sneaking up behind Wolverine - here he surprised him in each fight - would win without any problems. No problems there.

But come on, let's be real, that's not exactly a fight, is it ? I don't think KMC rules allow sneaking and surprise attacks in a vs fight.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Those two fights you posted, prove my point. I said that a Sasquatch sneaking up behind Wolverine - here he surprised him in each fight - would win without any problems. No problems there.

But come on, let's be real, that's not exactly a fight, is it ? I don't think KMC rules allow sneaking and surprise attacks in a vs fight.

Have you seen Wolverine ever KO'ed that easily in the first scan? oh wait...
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men-109_13and15.jpg
(Guardian isn't even a fraction of the strength of Sasquatch)

Second Fight was not from behind and Wolverine knew he was coming, but could do nothing.

I'm giving Sasqautch the win even without sneaking up, the guy has insane strength feats and has caught Northstar in mid-flight more than once. So Wolverine isn't going to speedblitz him.

edit: 616 Sasquatch even beat an Alternate Reality savage Hulk

2nd edit: One of the times he caught Northstar
1. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/MarvelTeam-UpAnnual7-26.jpg
2. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/MarvelTeam-UpAnnual7-27.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Against Sasquatch? no he wasn't, I even posted the entire scans in the respect thread. He was furious even his skin turned red he was so angry.

He held back. Check the scans. He didn't literally turn red, that's just a colouring error. He was raving mad pissed at first, but then he saw the fear in the woman's eyes. He calmed down and turned around. Then got angry again(though never enraged) and hit him, but not with full force. He would've used his fists if he did.

shit! i wish i had a scanner.
i got the one of sassy pants handing it to super skrull.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
He held back. Check the scans. He didn't literally turn red, that's just a colouring error. He was raving mad pissed at first, but then he saw the fear in the woman's eyes. He calmed down and turned around. Then got angry again(though never enraged) and hit him, but not with full force. He would've used his fists if he did.

That was the end of the fight....you telling me when they caved in the mountain they were holding back? and no it wasn't a coloring error. Wait did you even read the issue?

Originally posted by bigbran
shit! i wish i had a scanner.
i got the one of sassy pants handing it to super skrull.

Here you go, it was already scanned in the Alpha Flight Respect Thread


Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sasquatch

Alpha Flight #10-He beats the Super Skrull. First he goes toe to toe with him in strength and then beats him by playing possum and using his head

1) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10a.jpg

2) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10b.jpg

3) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10c.jpg

4) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10d.jpg

5) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10e.jpg

6) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10f.jpg

7) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10g.jpg

8) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10h.jpg

9) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10i.jpg

10) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10j.jpg

11) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF10k.jpg

Sasquatch vs. Hulk....holding back my ass
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sasquatch
Hulk Annual #8- Ordered by the government, Sasquatch is sent to get Hulk who has been reported in Canada. Upon arriving Walter finds Bruce Banner with a lady. So he grabs Banner and begins to toss him in the air to try to bring out the Hulk to test his strength. He was being careless and when the lady told him to stop, at the time Walter was holding him over the cliff his shirt ripped and he fell. Luckly he transformed while he fell and Sasquatch felt horrible for it. Basically they fight and Sasquatch stalemates the Hulk. In the end when his guard his down, Hulk gives him a backhand for good measure and leaps away.

Feats shown:
-His leaping abilities are inferior to the Hulk's, but he can land better than the Hulk
-Sasquatch kicks Hulk through the mountain
-Sasquatch hits him with a tree that would level a tank
-Sasquatch and Hulk's battle rages on for 30 minutes
-Their fight is destroying the mountain
-With his "second strongest legs on the face of the Earth" jumps to help the lady
-The mountain falls on him and gets out of it unscathed
-Sasquatch and the Hulk for battling his long and hard seemed unscathed.
-Sasquatch stalemated the Hulk

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_17.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_24.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_25.jpg
4. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_26.jpg
5. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_27.jpg
6. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_28.jpg
7. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_29.jpg
8. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_30.jpg
9. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_31.jpg
10. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_32.jpg
11. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_33.jpg
12. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_34.jpg
13. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Hulk_Annual_1979_008_35.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
That was the end of the fight?....you telling me when they caved in the mountain they were holding back? and no it wasn't a coloring error. Wait did you even read the issue?

Uh yes, I've read the issue. No need to get bitchy again. Surely they were not holding back. That's why Sasquatch was down on the ground by the time they reappear on panel.

And hell yes, it was a colouring error. And one that happens quite often, too.

And when I said holding the back, I meant holding back in the scan I posted at first. Because he did.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sasquatch vs. Hulk....holding back my ass thats cool.
and i got a question, does sassy ever show hes been hurt?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Uh yes, I've read the issue. No need to get bitchy again. Surely they were not holding back. That's why Sasquatch was down on the ground by the time they reappear on panel.

And hell yes, it was a colouring error. And one that happens quite often, too.

You said he was holding back when he wasn't so I posted the scans. Be more clear as the way you said it you made it seem like the Hulk was holding back the entire fight. Don't show one scan show them all, as I have done three times just in this thread as it can be misconstruted from the truth.

Except when he turned red they were even making comment about how angry and what left of humanity he had vanished.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
And when I said holding the back, I meant holding back in the scan I posted at first. Because he did.

Your first implied he was holding back the entire fight.

Originally posted by bigbran
thats cool.
and i got a question, does sassy ever show hes been hurt?

Rarely, but he doesn't show it often against an oppoenent. Guy has taken grenades, tank shells, bullets and shrugged them off. Even a punch from teenage Colossus didn't budge him
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg10.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
You said he was holding back when he wasn't so I posted the scans. Be more clear as the way you said it you made it seem like the Hulk was holding back the entire fight. Don't show one scan show them all, as I have done three times just in this thread as it can be misconstruted from the truth.

Except when he turned red they were even making comment about how angry and what left of humanity he had vanished. [/QUOTE


No, that's not what I said. I asked for the scans (because I couldn't remember from which fight it was). Because one out of context scan isn't enough, you know. I was just saying that he may have held back. Why do you think I skipped the beginning of the fight and started talking about the part where he "turns red"(yeah right) and everything that happens afterwards. You just assumed I was talking about the whole fight, just as I assumed that you understood what I meant.

And please look at the scan again. He didn't turn "red". Printing errors like that occured a lot in those days. I've seen them in every type of comic book.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
No, that's not what I said. I asked for the scans (because I couldn't remember from which fight it was). Because one out of context scan isn't enough, you know. I was just saying that he may have held back. Why do you think I skipped the beginning of the fight and started talking about the part where he "turns red"(yeah right) and everything that happens afterwards. You just assumed I was talking about the whole fight, just as I assumed that you understood what I meant.

And please look at the scan again. He didn't turn "red". Printing errors like that occured a lot in those days. I've seen them in every type of comic book.

Not what you said?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Looks like Hulk was holding back.


You made comment without knowing the facts, which is just as bad.

Normally I would agree, but even before the landslip he was pissed he came out then even made comment about how angry he was

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not what you said?



You made comment without knowing the facts, which is just as bad.

Normally I would agree, but even before the landslip he was pissed he came out then even made comment about how angry he was

I didn't make a comment alone. I said "Looks like Hulk was holding back". "Can somebody post the rest of the fight". That sounds like someone who's asking what's going on. You would have a point if I didn't ask for the rest of the fight.

What's so hard to understand.

Also, you're ignoring the nuances of the scans. He was enraged during the fight, but not when he hit him in the scan I posted.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I didn't make a comment alone. I said "Looks like Hulk was holding back". "Can somebody post the rest of the fight". That sounds like someone who's asking what's going on. You would have a point if I didn't ask for the rest of the fight.

What's so hard to understand.

Also, you're ignoring the nuances of the scans. He was enraged during the fight, but not when he hit him in the scan I posted.

It's the initial comment you made as you said you read the comic but still wanted the rest of the scans, but actually I apologize I DID overreact all this is moot anyways

I never said otherwise, even Sasquatch lowered his guard which weakens him as anger or pain makes him grow stronger. He never seemed truely phased through the entire fight.

I don't see how wolverine can beat him.

Wolverine can't sense him.

Sas is a ahulk level basher.

Sas has duked it out with other great fighters such as thing and held his own.

Wolverine's speed is moot as northstar's speed didn't help him against walter.

I see Sas thunderclapping and disorienting Logan then grabbing his throat and crushing his windpipe and suffocating him. Unless Wolverine now has the power to come back from the dead, that's be it.

Of course I'm sure wolvie's fanboys and the marvel writers would see it different.

Gotta respect Cap It up for his knowledge of Wolverine.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Gotta respect Cap It up for his knowledge of Wolverine.
thanks

What is Wolverine's superpower that makes him invunerable against thunderclaps?

to the death logan takes it, the fight goes to the big guy.

Sasquatch was pretty messed up after falling on a trap laid by Sabretooth, he wasn't really owning The x-men when they fought in an uncanny X-men issue (couple of years ago) nor did he do that well again Weakened Juggernatu.. Has he been depowered?

Originally posted by Jyppe
Sasquatch was pretty messed up after falling on a trap laid by Sabretooth,

That was definitley PIS as his hide is normally impervious to tank shells. That moment was one of Marvel's low points for me.


Originally posted by Jyppe
he wasn't really owning The x-men when they fought in an uncanny X-men issue (couple of years ago) nor did he do that well again Weakened Juggernatu.. Has he been depowered?

Sas seems to be written however the writer's whim seems to be at the time (much like wolverine's I guess). They make Sas job to a few characters, yet he has also toe to toed it with the hulk and thing, lifted a ship, thrown a jetliner and as Tanaraq, is one of the scariest mofo's on the planet.

Sasquatch wins. I love Wolverine, but this is getting ridiculous.

Hold on Sas has taken down Wolverine in the past, I mean its there in the comics, Sas wins thanks.

Originally posted by Soleran
Hold on Sas has taken down Wolverine in the past, I mean its there in the comics, Sas wins thanks.
yet when wolverine beats people in comcis you tend to call that PIS.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
What is Wolverine's superpower that makes him invunerable against thunderclaps?
lets see a heaing factor that instantly heals the ear drums.

Originally posted by capt it up
yet when wolverine beats people in comcis you tend to call that PIS.

And you fight scream and moan about it, drawing examples from anything you can cultivate. Here Walter has done it, period and even then Walter has the powers to do it based on forums rules anyway.

Originally posted by Soleran
And you fight scream and moan about it, drawing examples from anything you can cultivate. Here Walter has done it, period and even then Walter has the powers to do it based on forums rules anyway.
you do realize how bais youare ? you are a hypocrit.

next time you say any thing about wolverine beatiing some one in a comic I will remeber to quote you on this.

Sasquatch wins this one.

sasquatch. wolverine is MUCH cooler, but sasquatch is just to strong...

Originally posted by capt it up
you do realize how bais youare ? you are a hypocrit.

next time you say any thing about wolverine beatiing some one in a comic I will remeber to quote you on this.


Lol oh the ole hypocrite comeback! The entire reason I said that was to illustrate how you consistantly use that line, it's been done in the comics so that means it's gonna happen here.

I hope you liked it, its something you use alot.

Has Sasquatch done any major feats lately? (Not as a Tanaraq)

Originally posted by Jyppe
Has Sasquatch done any major feats lately? (Not as a Tanaraq)

an angry Sasquatch let out a blow that ripped reality apart
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Trans-Spatial_Displacement

If my comp is stable I will get the scans

Durability feat:
Here Sasquatch takes 6 grenades to the face from Deadpool and it doesn't even phase him
1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/Deadpool-00123.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/Deadpool-00124.jpg


Reality breaking punch...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sasquatch
Alpha Flight #5 Vol.3-Pissed off Sasquatch brings down the house....literally. Sasquatch lets out a blow in the Plodex ship that brings all the realities together. Some members came from the arctic, some Montreal, etc. Also just to note this ship was already destroyed in AF#4 of volume #1

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AlphaFlight0423.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AF5_03.jpg
3. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AF5_04.jpg
4. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c133/A_Flight3/AF5_0405.jpg

Sassy.

SASQUATCH SMASH!

edit: Since this thread was made, Sasquatch got a respect thread
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=424126&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1

Sasquatch. Definitely.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
What is Wolverine's superpower that makes him invunerable against thunderclaps?

not really a super power more a power of will....

sabretooth has shown to be able to straight up will his enhanced senses OFF. wolverine with more training in the mystical, and more training in the spiritual can easily pull off the same.

either that, or the thunderclap completely destroys his eardrums so there's nothing to be left ringing, and then immediately heals over.

Originally posted by Soleran
Hold on Sas has taken down Wolverine in the past, I mean its there in the comics, Sas wins thanks.

sas took down an older weaker unaware wolverine using a sneak attack.... good for him..
funny how an angrier stronger sasquatch couldn't reproduce the same feat again to a more current wolverine.... seriously in their third encounter wolverine, was taking the beating with a smile, while making jokes.... and sas didn't even really win...
hell, sas was having problems putting down bone claw wolverine and that was AFTER bone claw took it to the rest of his alpha flight team.

Originally posted by Soleran
And you fight scream and moan about it, drawing examples from anything you can cultivate. Here Walter has done it, period and even then Walter has the powers to do it based on forums rules anyway. obviously he didn't do it "period" since all of his attacks on logan have been from behind... not one not two but ALL of them!

A being with the power to toss 747's around losing to Wolverine? I dont think so. Stop and try to realize how silly this is.

Sasquatch 10/10

Originally posted by tkitna
A being with the power to toss 747's around losing to Wolverine? I dont think so. Stop and try to realize how silly this is.

Sasquatch 10/10

You're talking about comic books my friend... silly is a nature that you have to toss to the wind to submit yourself to the fictional world you submerse yourself in.

That said, what's wrong with Sasquatch losing to wolverine?

An argument based soley on strength gets you no where simply because of what wolverine can do, and what he can take...

Sure sas is strong enough to pick up airliners, but so is namor, so is tiger shark, hulk, thing, abomination, and wendigo.... all of these characters have been dropped by wolverine at one point or another...

sure if sas picks up a portion of a building, or half a landscape and drops it on wolverine, wolverine loses... but if wolverine and sas get into a strauit up fist fight, it's not nearly as unreasonable for wolverine to win, or survive, as you would assume it to be.

do you have any other explanation for your 10/10 decision other than sas being stronger because 90% of the people that wolverine fights are stronger than he is, and it makes a difference about 10% of the time.

Well, my explanation for Sas winning is that even if its a straight fist to fist fight and Wolverine does stab Sasquatch, all I envision is Sasquatch picking Wolverine up by the head and slamming him down as hard as he can (with the power that tosses airliners around). Yes Wolverine has a healing factor, but how much damage can it heal when all that stuff moves around within his admantium skull and skeleton from that kind of force? Sure, in due time Wolverine heals, but not in the time that it would take for sasquatch to bash him again,,,and again,,,and again,,,,and the damage should worsen each time in which it should take Wolverine that much longer to heal.

A backhand from sasquatch should send Wolverine miles away even.

I realize its comics, but trying to explain how Sasquatch is going to win is much easier than an explanation as to how Wolverine could possibly win. I also realize that Marvel has made Wolverine into a pretty much DC doomsday clone as I guess he cant die anymore (lame).

Lets face it, if Wolverine wasnt Marvels cash cow, in any comic continuity, characters like namor, tiger shark, hulk, thing, abomination, and wendigo take him out within 2 panels. Just my opinion.

Sasquatch.

Originally posted by tkitna
Well, my explanation for Sas winning is that even if its a straight fist to fist fight and Wolverine does stab Sasquatch, all I envision is Sasquatch picking Wolverine up by the head and slamming him down as hard as he can (with the power that tosses airliners around). okay first off... if wolverine lands a blow, what makes you think that sasquatch will be able to simply shrug it off? both sabretooth and wendigo have hurt sasquatch with a rake of their claws.. wolverine's claws are longer than either of the afformentioned parties and should do more damage...
second, if wolverine lands a blow why would he stand there and let walt pick him up? why wouldn't he keep hopping around slashing as he went along like he did to wendigo? like he does to hulk? like he did to lazuras? why would he stop moving on a point of contact?

Third, yeah yeah yeah sas tosses plains around... so what? hulk punches planets into debris, yet wolverine somehow manages to survive, AND continue fighting when he gets hit by bricks.. IF sasquatch grabbed him wolverine can simply lop off the arm or stab the arm or slice it beyond recognition.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yes Wolverine has a healing factor, but how much damage can it heal when all that stuff moves around within his admantium skull and skeleton from that kind of force? ALOT... have you not seen his fights with bricks? or the beatings he endures from bricks?

wonderman attacked him relentlessly and wolverine didn't even get knocked unconcious.
wolverine fought mauvias (a dr. strange level character) and wendigo at the same time, then fought a mauvais-wendigo hybrid uber power god like creature and took a score of punches from him remaining concious.

he's been hit by hulk with a redwood and the destructive force of a bomb, had all his organs turned to jelly... yet he kept fighting back.

he's been attacked by wendigo and let the beast pound on him to allow other people to escape, never got koed...

he's been attacked by sasquatch as shown in this very thread and he's just cracking jokes.. obviously his damage soak is ridiculous.. he can take plenty of hits from sasquatch more often than not... can the same be said the other way around?
sabretooth, and wendigo say different.

Originally posted by tkitna
Sure, in due time Wolverine heals, but not in the time that it would take for sasquatch to bash him again,,,and again,,,and again,,,, and again, what in blue hell makes you think logans gonna just stand there and take it? what makes you think that sasquatch is gonna even land the first hit, or be able to land more?
sabretooth had sasquatch at an immediate disadvantage in their fight... how did walt even the odds? by friggin CHEATING...


in any case wolverine WITHOUT admantium was stated to be beaten ALL DAY by a class 70 character in roughouse.... he STILL broke free of his restraints and STILL fought back... obviously, if his healing factor is working at it's best he'll do just fine in a fight...
sure damage can catch up with him, but it's unlikely that sasquatch is going to keep hitting wolverine over and over unanswered...

Originally posted by tkitna
and the damage should worsen each time in which it should take Wolverine that much longer to heal. you assume...
wolverine's healing factor goes through the rough when his berserker mode crosses the red zone.. he's also stated that it's faster acting when he needs it to heal him.

Originally posted by tkitna
A backhand from sasquatch should send Wolverine miles away even. should.. possibly... but assuming that we bring real world physics into a comic book debate that really doesn't help sas win a fight does it? wolverine can still come back to the battlefield fully recovered from the hit and we start from square one all over again.

Originally posted by tkitna
I realize its comics, but trying to explain how Sasquatch is going to win is much easier than an explanation as to how Wolverine could possibly win. hmm I suppose that's true....
you know.. if you don't know a great deal about wolverine....

all wolverine has to do is move and strike, move and strike... it's not going to take LOADS and LOADS of damage to immobilize sasquatch or slow him down, not like it does hulk, a character who wolverine gives fits to all the time in fights.

Originally posted by tkitna
I also realize that Marvel has made Wolverine into a pretty much DC doomsday clone as I guess he cant die anymore (lame).
Lets face it, if Wolverine wasnt Marvels cash cow, in any comic continuity, characters like namor, tiger shark, hulk, thing, abomination, and wendigo take him out within 2 panels. Just my opinion.

so we're going to ignore the feats that the character does because he's a popular character?

sorry spiderman I guess you really CAN'T take on the sin six, give trouble to the ff, much less thing, or cause groups of x-men trouble, or hulk... etc etc etc...

see that kind of argument is just nonsense. it takes away from anything of value that we learn from comics for these debates. debates which are comics specific in orientation.

Originally posted by jinzin
hell, sas was having problems putting down bone claw wolverine and that was AFTER bone claw took it to the rest of his alpha flight team.

That wasn't Walter (bigfoot of myth not the same Sasquatch), and Alpha Flight were brain washed

Originally posted by jinzin
do you have any other explanation for your 10/10 decision other than sas being stronger because 90% of the people that wolverine fights are stronger than he is, and it makes a difference about 10% of the time.

Sasquatch won't win 10/10, but he will clearly get the majority. Also no, Sasquatch can increase his strength via rage or pain reaching Elder God status.

Originally posted by jinzin
sabretooth had sasquatch at an immediate disadvantage in their fight... how did walt even the odds? by friggin CHEATING...


PIS, wooden spikes impaled Walter, yet he has taken armor peircing machine gun fire without it penetrating his skin. Yet wooden spikes? please.

Originally posted by jinzin
okay first off... if wolverine lands a blow, what makes you think that sasquatch will be able to simply shrug it off?

Because he's a class 100 character and anything that Wolverine could give him is being shrugged off. Yeah, I know Wolverine fights class 100 heros all the time although its PIS. Its complete garbage. Yeah, I know it happens on a regular basis in the comics, but its crap because he's a popular hero and makes the company money. Ok, if he does it,,,he does it. I cant deny his feats, but its retarded. When the Hulk ripped him in half (dont remember the comic or continuity, but thats what would and should happen everytime Wolverine messes with one of the top tiers. I just cant believe they allow it to happen and blind people like they do, but whatever, it happens.



Sabertooth even harming Sasquatch is PIS. Wendigo I can understand.



We're talking about a creature that has nabbed Northstar and your questioning how he couldnt grab Wolverine?



Like the Hulk,,,i'm not sure Wolverine even can lop his arm off.



He was as close to being knocked out as somebody could be, and I wonder what would have happened if Wonderman would have smashed him with the rock. I guarantee, he was going to be out after that.



I have no defense for piss poor writing.



See my above statement



Sasquatch is fast enough to tag Wolverine and about the cheating,,,,its a fight, not a poker game. I'm sure Wolverine slaps out his 'fight rule book' everytime he fights. Please.




Ask yourself,,,do you really think a being that can lift 70 tons isnt going to rip the head off of a person that has 2 to 3 times the strenght of a normal human? Come on now. Bad writing strikes again.



With real world physics, no healing factor is going to be in the equation if somebody is smacked hard enough to travel that distance. Sorry, he dies.



Yeah, I have no idea what the character is or what he's about.



You mean the Hulk that Sasquatch held more than his own against? The same Sasquatch that fought the Hulk and in turn destroyed acres of land during the battle. I'm pretty sure he can take LOADS of damage.



We should, but I suppose we cant. I'm sure the beating that sentry gave him will be retconned eventually too.



Spiderman is also above Wolverine, but truthfully, no he probably shouldnt be able to do those feats.



I'll give you this, Marvel has Wolverine jacked up for profits and so forth, but there is no way possible he should be able to hang with class 100 characters,,,,ever. Take it for what it is and i'll do the same.

Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine fought mauvias (a dr. strange level character) and wendigo at the same time, then fought a mauvais-wendigo hybrid uber power god like creature and took a score of punches from him remaining concious.

Easy now he was ko'ed when Mauvais first became Wendigo and he was about to eat him until Alpha Flight arrived. Then later as stated in the comic, Mauvais power was weakening as he summoned a Wendigo army and created a barrier holding back the Gods of the Arctic, he was drawing himself out to thin. He was hardly full power near the end as stated.

Wendigo before we have no idea his strength level as they vary as one got hurt from bullet shots and one was afraid of when Wolverine yelled at it.

Originally posted by tkitna
Ask yourself,,,do you really think a being that can lift 70 tons isnt going to rip the head off of a person that has 2 to 3 times the strenght of a normal human? Come on now. Bad writing strikes again.


Dumb handbooks, they list him as class 70 but that doesn't match up with what it is said. In an upcoming issue, Sasquatch ko'es Wrecker and Thunderball with one hit..just one hit.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
That wasn't Walter (bigfoot of myth not the same Sasquatch), and Alpha Flight were brain washed was it not? I could have sworn that wolverine was calling him walt in that issue...



Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sasquatch won't win 10/10, but he will clearly get the majority. I'm still not convinced...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Also no, Sasquatch can increase his strength via rage or pain reaching Elder God status. what do you mean no here? I didn't say anything that contradicted this...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
PIS, wooden spikes impaled Walter, yet he has taken armor peircing machine gun fire without it penetrating his skin. Yet wooden spikes? please.

wait.. what do the spikes have to do with the fight that took place before hand?

Originally posted by tkitna
Because he's a class 100 character and anything that Wolverine could give him is being shrugged off. Yeah, I know Wolverine fights class 100 heros all the time although its PIS. Its complete garbage. Yeah, I know it happens on a regular basis in the comics, but its crap because he's a popular hero and makes the company money. Ok, if he does it,,,he does it.

cop out. "i don't like it, it didn't happen"... sorry but being a strong character doesn't make you invulnerable...
wonderwoman fights superaman but she can still go down from getting stabbed...
sunspot can go 100+ but he's afraid of being raked by wolverine's claws...
class 100 doesn't equate to making someone impervious to harm.

Originally posted by tkitna
Ok, if he does it,,,he does it. I cant deny his feats,

then why are you trying to.

Originally posted by tkitna
When the Hulk ripped him in half (dont remember the comic or continuity, but thats what would and should happen everytime Wolverine messes with one of the top tiers. I just cant believe they allow it to happen and blind people like they do, but whatever, it happens. clearly you don't know about the adamantium bonding process that turned wolverine's bones into admantium beta pulling wolverine apart in the 616 timeline is and SHOULD BE an impossibility.. hell class 100's have tried.. and failed... there's a reason why it had to happen in ultimates.

Originally posted by tkitna
Sabertooth even harming Sasquatch is PIS. Wendigo I can understand.
do you have an actual reason to believe that?

Originally posted by tkitna
We're talking about a creature that has nabbed Northstar and your questioning how he couldnt grab Wolverine? no I'm questioning why wolverine would stop moving/fighting and allow sasquatch to hit him... say sasquatch DOES grab him.. difference between wolverine and northstar is that wolverine can continue to hurt sasquatch afterwards.. northstar not so much... example; wolverine slices his arm or stabs it and continues to go to work.. again why would he stop on point of contact?

Originally posted by tkitna
Like the Hulk,,,i'm not sure Wolverine even can lop his arm off. I would think hulk to be a great deal more durable than sasquatch overall.. but true. perhaps he can not, but doing damage to it isn't out of the question is it?


Originally posted by tkitna
He was as close to being knocked out as somebody could be, and I wonder what would have happened if Wonderman would have smashed him with the rock. I guarantee, he was going to be out after that. for a guy so close to the edge he was sure still standing by the end of it..



Originally posted by tkitna
I have no defense for piss poor writing.
See my above statement
" i don't like it, it didn't happen"


Originally posted by tkitna
Sasquatch is fast enough to tag Wolverine and about the cheating,,,,its a fight, not a poker game. I'm sure Wolverine slaps out his 'fight rule book' everytime he fights. Please. if he can't win without cheating, then he can't win straight up, it's that simple.


Originally posted by tkitna
Ask yourself,,,do you really think a being that can lift 70 tons isnt going to rip the head off of a person that has 2 to 3 times the strenght of a normal human? Come on now. Bad writing strikes again. not if that person's wolverine with an admantium bonded skeletal structure at the molecular level...
in any case why would wolverine even be in that position? giving sas the ben of the doubt yet again.. in any case your ignoring what I said, why is sasquatch going to be landing hit after hit unanswered?



Originally posted by tkitna
With real world physics, no healing factor is going to be in the equation if somebody is smacked hard enough to travel that distance. Sorry, he dies. first, you can't slap eal world physics on a SUPERPOWER... that's just retarded... might as well say that majic and tanaraq don't exist in the real world so walts stuck in his human form.. see how ridiculous that is in a comic book discussion.. put physics on the power behind a punch, the distance a 300 pound man would travel from it etc etc.. but not on superpowers.. that's just wrong. second, even IF wolverine died, he'd come right back.. via retcon from wolverine vol 3> 48.. sorry..


Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, I have no idea what the character is or what he's about. clearly you don't if you think he's going to die from a class 100 punch or get his head ripped off.


Originally posted by tkitna
You mean the Hulk that Sasquatch held more than his own against? The same Sasquatch that fought the Hulk and in turn destroyed acres of land during the battle. I'm pretty sure he can take LOADS of damage. not when it comes to getting sliced and diced he can't.. those are two variants of vulnerability levels.. sure he can take brute force all day but what he took from sabes was nothing and he was hurt, what he took from wendigo.. hell i've seen bone claw wolvie take more punishment than that...



Originally posted by tkitna We should, but I suppose we cant.
then stop trying.


Originally posted by tkitna Spiderman is also above Wolverine, but truthfully, no he probably shouldnt be able to do those feats. spiderman needs to prove it first....

so then what feats define some of these characters are ones not to be used? I'm sorry I just don't follow that logic.



Originally posted by tkitna I'll give you this, Marvel has Wolverine jacked up for profits and so forth, but there is no way possible he should be able to hang with class 100 characters,,,,ever. Take it for what it is and i'll do the same. you try to ignore what takes place in a fictional environment so you can have a better argument but you tell me to take it for what it is? hmmmm

Originally posted by jinzin
was it not? I could have sworn that wolverine was calling him walt in that issue...
I'm still not convinced...

what do you mean no here? I didn't say anything that contradicted this...

At this time they thought Sasquatch was Walter who lost his mind, but later issue or two it was revealed he was really a big foot Department H captured. Sasquatch II bio

Right, do you believe Wolverine can take down one of the personifications of death on Earth?

You said others were much stronger than him, when in reality Tanaraq is limitless. He spanked Talisman and Exiles Tanaraq beat Zarathos, Kulan Gath, an augmented Morbius who had Wendigo as a pet, Exiles like they were nothing.

Originally posted by jinzin
wait.. what do the spikes have to do with the fight that took place before hand?

Just pointing out Sasquatch was not at his best of abilities, as he has beaten people far superior to Sabertooth in the past. Just look at Sasquatch respect thread, he punched a hole in reality for goodness sake. Sasquatch is stated to be on a higher level than Wendigo, as the Gods of the Arctic who created the Wendigo are equal to the Great Beasts.

Information concerning Sasquatch and the Earth, which as stated the Great Beasts are older than the Earth itself
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Great Beast
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Alpha Flight #38 & 44 (Vol.1): Death and Decay
The Great Beasts were embodiments of death on Earth when it was first commencing to come alive. It was stated "the Great Beasts rule over death and decay, and can implore death and decay as a weapon against mankind".

1. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/A_Flight9/AlphaFlight38-15.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/AlphaFlight44-19.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
At this time they thought Sasquatch was Walter who lost his mind, but later issue or two it was revealed he was really a big foot Department H captured. Sasquatch II bio

Right, do you believe Wolverine can take down one of the personifications of death on Earth?

You said others were much stronger than him, when in reality Tanaraq is limitless. He spanked Talisman and Exiles Tanaraq beat Zarathos, Kulan Gath, an augmented Morbius who had Wendigo as a pet, Exiles like they were nothing. out of continuity characters mean beans here.. sorry...

also, I don't think I said people are much stronger than sas.. but I may be mistaken, can you quote me on this again?



Originally posted by King_Mungi
Just pointing out Sasquatch was not at his best of abilities, as he has beaten people far superior to Sabertooth in the past. Just look at Sasquatch respect thread, he punched a hole in reality for goodness sake. Sasquatch is stated to be on a higher level than Wendigo, as the Gods of the Arctic who created the Wendigo are equal to the Great Beasts. don't get me wrong while i DO think that sasquatch has the capacity for being at that level I don't think he's going to be at that level more often than not on any given occasion. sure he's beaten people far superior to sabretooth, but sabretooth's beaten people far superior to sabretooth, that kind of logic only gets you so far here.

Originally posted by jinzin
out of continuity characters mean beans here.. sorry...

also, I don't think I said people are much stronger than sas.. but I may be mistaken, can you quote me on this again?

don't get me wrong while i DO think that sasquatch has the capacity for being at that level I don't think he's going to be at that level more often than not on any given occasion. sure he's beaten people far superior to sabretooth, but sabretooth's beaten people far superior to sabretooth, that kind of logic only gets you so far here.

616 Tanaraq dominated Talisman who is Dr.Strange's equal in a canon story.

Your correct, I thought you said they were stronger than Sasquatch, but in reality you said they were stronger than Wolverine is. So you are correct, my mistake. Sorry about that

Unfourntatly for Walter it's true he is becoming more like Tanaraq ever time he takes his form.

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Most of the time he is afraid of using his full strength incase of slipping, lately he just doesn't care. As stated the longer the fight continues the stronger Sasquatch will get due to rage or pain allowing Tanaraq to take control. Sabertooth has't beaten or fight the likes of people Sasquatch fought. Alpha Flight was very mystical in nature and the Great Beasts will be returning in Omega Flight. Sasquatch is the only survivor of New Avengers #16 and he is pissed what happened to his team so we may see Tanaraq soon or not. Don't know

Even Snowbird who breifly took Sasquatch form, ran the risk of him controlling her

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Sasquatch is just a big old wookie (joke scan)
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With Wovlerines track record against bricks he's got a shot. That's just the way it is even if we don't like it.

Have these two ever fought?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
With Wovlerines track record against bricks he's got a shot. That's just the way it is even if we don't like it.

Have these two ever fought?

Indeed, but I don't feel he takes the majority

Twice, first fight Sasquatch ko'ed him the second no contest as Sasquatch was freed from the Demon Shaman's control.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Indeed, but I don't feel he takes the majority

Twice, first fight Sasquatch ko'ed him the second no contest as Sasquatch was freed from the Demon Shaman's control. So basically Sasquatch is 1-0 against Wolverine?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
So basically Sasquatch is 1-0 against Wolverine?

Yeah, but it was meh! He grabed him from behind and bashed him against walls and ko'ed him

Sasquatch vs. Wolverine (battle #1)
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Sasquatch vs. Wolverine (battle #2)
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3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_014.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah, but it was meh! He grabed him from behind and bashed him against walls and ko'ed him

Sasquatch vs. Wolverine (battle #1)
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/UXM_120_Sasquatch.jpg

Sasquatch vs. Wolverine (battle #2)
1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_012.jpg
2. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_013.jpg
3. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/w_179_014.jpg I seen those fights. I thought there was others. But yea those were cheap shots.

First one was definetly, but not the second one. Wolverine was searching for Sasquatch

Originally posted by King_Mungi
First one was definetly, but not the second one. Wolverine was searching for Sasquatch It looks like Sasquatch hit Logan in the back of the head though? Doesn't it?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
It looks like Sasquatch hit Logan in the back of the head though? Doesn't it?

Nope from the back-side, if it was in the back of the head he wouldn't have even seen it as before.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Both members of Alpha FLight...oh what to do?...what to do?

In Exiles an alternate Wolverine had Sasquatch pretty much beat.

shrug

Originally posted by Scoobless
In Exiles an alternate Wolverine had Sasquatch pretty much beat.

shrug

eh? and what was the reason? Heather Hudson didn't want to fight and kill her husband...again. She even said that in the issue. She killed her reality Wolverine, and even when she was injuired she still believed she could kill the feral Wolverine from the different reality.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Nope from the back-side, if it was in the back of the head he wouldn't have even seen it as before. It looks like Sasquatch was throwing the punch before Logan noticed it. And it also looked like Logan wasn't looking for a fight. What was actually going on there?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
It looks like Sasquatch was throwing the punch before Logan noticed it. And it also looked like Logan wasn't looking for a fight. What was actually going on there?

Yeah he was looking for a fight, as Shaman told him to expect one as the Demon Shaman took control over Sasquatch, Snowbird and Puck. Wolverine just finished killing these psychic bugs and then Sasquatch appeared. He knew what he was getting into

Did he amp Sasquatches abilities? If not then it appears Sasquatch has two wins over Logan.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Did he amp Sasquatches abilities? If not then it appears Sasquatch has two wins over Logan.

Nope, Puck and him were the same, just under his evil manipulation mentally. He granted no augmentation, but he activated Snowbird's transformation ability to transform herself into a female demon fly.

I consider that fight a non-contest.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Nope, Puck and him were the same, just under his evil manipulation mentally. He granted no augmentation, but he activated Snowbird's transformation ability to transform herself into a female demon fly.

I consider that fight a non-contest. Why non-contest?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Why non-contest?

No one won, and it was Wolverine who freed him from the Demon's control thanks to Shaman's magical grub and the fight stopped.

And Wolverine never fought back

Originally posted by Scoobless
And Wolverine never fought back

He didn't have much opprtunity until Sasquatch lifted him upside down.

I know ... but he knew they weren't themselves and chose not to fight back.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I know ... but he knew they weren't themselves and chose not to fight back.

As stated earlier he knew he was going to expect a fight as noted by Shaman before he went to the astral plane to battle the demon.

Yeah.... and he still chose not to hurt his friends.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Yeah.... and he still chose not to hurt his friends.

As noted, he didn't have the opportunity to do anything until Sasquatch stopped and held him upside down. As I said earlier it's a no-contest

And when he did have the opportunity all he did was say hi.

Not sure why you keep picking at it as I'm agreeing it was a non-fight.

Originally posted by Scoobless
And when he did have the opportunity all he did was say hi.

Not sure why you keep picking at it as I'm agreeing it was a non-fight.



Oh well earlier you comment about the Exiles fight but there was more to it.....much more. It seemed you basically were just trying to discredit Sasquatch.

Originally posted by jinzin
cop out. "i don't like it, it didn't happen"... sorry but being a strong character doesn't make you invulnerable...
wonderwoman fights superaman but she can still go down from getting stabbed...
sunspot can go 100+ but he's afraid of being raked by wolverine's claws...
class 100 doesn't equate to making someone impervious to harm.

When I see a character that takes a shot from Colossus and another shot from 6 grenades directly to the face and just shrugs them off like nothing ever happened, I tend to feel that he is somewhat invulernable, or at least somewhat enough that even after being stabbed by Wolverine, he isnt going to flinch enough to stop him from doing what he started to do. Another words, being stabbed by Wolverine isnt going to stop Sasquatch in his tracks. The fight would continue as it was before.



Because Wolverine doesnt have admantium cartlidge. Theres no reason why the spine cant be pulled apart in any continuity. Plus, werent we talking about the Wolverine that had his admantium taken away? (I cant remember what part of the debate this statement came from.



Yes, its the same reason we are having this debate. Sasquatch is so far above Sabertooth that any win for him would be PIS.



Because I dont think that Wolverine would or should be in any shape to continue jumping and slicing around after he takes a shot from a class 100 hero. I agree that Wolverine would get a shot in if Sasquatch grabbed him, but I dont believe Wolverine can kill him or injure him enough with a one shot to stop Sasquatch from coninuosly bashing off of trees. It shouldnt be that hard to understand.



No, he can probably damage his arm, but I dont think it will be enough damage to even slow Sasquatch down.




Wolverine was clearly as close to a vegetable as one could be in at least two panels and if Wonderman wasnt stopped, i'm pretty sure Wolverine would have been out cold if Simon hit him in the face with that rock.



Thats crap. Your going to sit there and tell me that Wolverine, Spiderman, Captain America, Superman, etc,,,has never cheated to win a fight? Hell, if cheating was never in the equation, I suppose Batman and his prep has to be dismissed then right?



Because with each hit, Wolverine should become weaker and weaker regardless of his healing factor. Sure, Wolverine could heal after time, but these are hits from a class 100 hero, not some street leveler ninja.



Bringing physics into the world of comics is tuff, but if you dont, why do they even have class 20, 30 50, 100 heros. You might as well make everybody the same level.

Wolverine not being able to be killed,,,,,I know for a fact that everybody that reads comics loves that cop out. Thats the most retarded thing marvel ever did and the writer who thought up that idea should be fired on the spot.




Getting his head ripped off should be a real factor. Also earlier you spoke about Wolverine taking on class 70 characters all day long even without his admantium,,,,yeah I can see that. One character that has the strenght to lift 800 to 1000 lbs. fighting numerous characters that can lift 70 tons? If there was ever a case of writing worse than Spiderman beating Firelord, that was it.



Again, being hurt by Sabertooth is crap writing. Wendigo I can agree with as he also should be able to put Wolverine down whenever he wants, so a fight with sasquatch is more believable.



Faster, stroner, and more agile,,,and I think he has proven he's better.



Spiderman/Firelord, Wolverine/Hulk, Galactus ever losing to earth bound heros, etc,,,,. They fall into the same category.





I tell you to take it as it is, because when one reads a title for a debate like this, he immediately thinks to himself thats its retarded and its so one sided, but then again, lets grab all the comics that have Wolverine doing things so out of character just to boost his popularity up and we'll use those feats to argue. See my point.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
With Wovlerines track record against bricks he's got a shot. That's just the way it is even if we don't like it.

Have these two ever fought? they've never really fought apparently... both encounters wolverine has had with walt have been sneak attacks on walt's behalf... the first did knock wolverine out.... though I don't know how much clout that ancient encounter has considering how much stronger/durable wolvies become since then. The second enocunter was what mungi said, but it was another sneak attack, Originally posted by King_Mungi
First one was definetly, but not the second one. Wolverine was searching for Sasquatch
are you joking?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
It looks like Sasquatch was throwing the punch before Logan noticed it. And it also looked like Logan wasn't looking for a fight. What was actually going on there?
he was expecting trouble but he wasn't looking for a fight, don't fabricate... if wolverine wanted to fight he would have fought instead of put that grub on sasquatch...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
As noted, he didn't have the opportunity to do anything until Sasquatch stopped and held him upside down. As I said earlier it's a no-contest and he didn't fight back.. even when he had the oppurtunity...

Originally posted by jinzin
are you joking?

Apparently you didn't read the issue than

Originally posted by jinzin
and he didn't fight back.. even when he had the oppurtunity...

We established that, but before he was upside down Sasquatch didn't give have him the opportunity to fight back. How could he?

Originally posted by tkitna
When I see a character that takes a shot from Colossus and another shot from 6 grenades directly to the face and just shrugs them off like nothing ever happened, I tend to feel that he is somewhat invulernable, wolverine shrugs off colossus punches, wolverine's been blown up on multiple occasions and kept fighting like nothing happened.. is he then too invulnerable?
No, you're reasoning doesn't coencide with the rationale you would have us believe.

Originally posted by tkitna
or at least somewhat enough that even after being stabbed by Wolverine, he isnt going to flinch enough to stop him from doing what he started to do. Another words, being stabbed by Wolverine isnt going to stop Sasquatch in his tracks. The fight would continue as it was before. funny, it seemed to do JUST THAT, when sabretooth scored a hit on him....
aside from that you're totally basing that off assumption, nothing else. you'd think the same about namor, about thing, about tigershark... since they're all around the same league, but hey, guess what.... it doesn't work that way for them.



Originally posted by tkitna
Because Wolverine doesnt have admantium cartlidge. Theres no reason why the spine cant be pulled apart in any continuity. Plus, werent we talking about the Wolverine that had his admantium taken away? (I cant remember what part of the debate this statement came from.
exactly. you know jack shit about wolverine... his skeleton bonbed itself together in ONE HUNKIN PIECE at the molecular level, bonding with the bone to create admantium beta.... ba'al has tried to pull wolverine apart, he couldn't. hulk has uppercut wolverine's jaw, his neck didn't break, sabretooth tried to break wolverine's neck, then later on, his back, he failed on both occasions.... you can't apply real world physiology to comic book attributes that have alreaby been settled.


Originally posted by tkitna
Yes, its the same reason we are having this debate. Sasquatch is so far above Sabertooth that any win for him would be PIS.
sasquatch on wendigo are near the same level, on occasion wendigo has been even greater, yet it's okay for sabretooth to damage wendigo, but it's pis if he does the same to sasquatch?

what you said:
Originally posted by tkitna

Sabertooth even harming Sasquatch is PIS. Wendigo I can understand.


well, now you're a hypocrite.. how's it feel?
anyhow, Sasquatch has a great strength advantage over sabretooth, and that's it, sabes has the unbreakable bones, the superior healing factor (as far as I know), the superior skills, hyperactive senses, possibly even greater speed. why does greater strength equate to an instant win for you? as I thought before you have no actual reason to believe what you believe you just fall back on "PIS" as your safe heaven when you've got nothin else to contribute.

Originally posted by tkitna
Because I dont think that Wolverine would or should be in any shape to continue jumping and slicing around after he takes a shot from a class 100 hero. well what you think is irrelivant considering that there's an abundance of existing evidence that declares otherwise.

Originally posted by tkitna
I agree that Wolverine would get a shot in if Sasquatch grabbed him, but I dont believe Wolverine can kill him or injure him enough with a one shot to stop Sasquatch from coninuosly bashing off of trees. It shouldnt be that hard to understand. it isn't hard to understand, the problem is that your argument gives sasquatch and indeed any class 100 the benefit of the doubt in regards to how okay they'll be after taking a shot from wolverine... you're argument isn't hard to understand, it's simply hard to accept...



Originally posted by tkitna
No, he can probably damage his arm, but I dont think it will be enough damage to even slow Sasquatch down. so haveing three foot long blades eviserate his arm isn't going to loosen his grip?


Originally posted by tkitna
Wolverine was clearly as close to a vegetable as one could be in at least two panels and if Wonderman wasnt stopped, i'm pretty sure Wolverine would have been out cold if Simon hit him in the face with that rock. hardly; he was still on his feet, still concious, and still ready to fight back.



Originally posted by tkitna
Thats crap. Your going to sit there and tell me that Wolverine, Spiderman, Captain America, Superman, etc,,,has never cheated to win a fight? no that's not the argument, you're strawmanning now, stay on topic... the point was AGAIN, if he has to cheat, then he can't win straight up... how hard is THAT to understand hmm?

Originally posted by tkitna
Hell, if cheating was never in the equation, I suppose Batman and his prep has to be dismissed then right? actually on this forum.. it is... unless otherwise stated..


Originally posted by tkitna
Because with each hit, Wolverine should become weaker and weaker regardless of his healing factor. Sure, Wolverine could heal after time, but these are hits from a class 100 hero, not some street leveler ninja. again I don't disagree.. but one hit isn't going to do what you're hoping it would. hell a score won't be doing that.. and again these hits aren't exactly going to go unanswered...


Originally posted by tkitna
Bringing physics into the world of comics is tuff, but if you dont, why do they even have class 20, 30 50, 100 heros. You might as well make everybody the same level. this statement doesn't even make sense..
again you can put physics into actions, sure... but you can't limit superpowerw with them..

Originally posted by tkitna
Wolverine not being able to be killed,,,,,I know for a fact that everybody that reads comics loves that cop out. Thats the most retarded thing marvel ever did and the writer who thought up that idea should be fired on the spot. since wolverine's been doing it since the early 80's I'm going to dismiss this entirely...


Originally posted by tkitna
Getting his head ripped off should be a real factor. are you REALLY this dense? he's not getting his head ripped off.

Originally posted by tkitna
Also earlier you spoke about Wolverine taking on class 70 characters all day long even without his admantium,,,,yeah I can see that. One character that has the strenght to lift 800 to 1000 lbs. fighting numerous characters that can lift 70 tons? If there was ever a case of writing worse than Spiderman beating Firelord, that was it. actually spiderman beating firelord wasn't really bad writing, a lot of people might claim that it is, but the fact of the matter is that firelord basically set himself up to lose that fight, in any case, no this isn't really that bad of writing, with wolverine's denser muscle tissue (x times that of a peak human) and his denser bones plus un upgraded healing factor he should be perfectly fine. hell sabretooth was back in the day.


Originally posted by tkitna
Again, being hurt by Sabertooth is crap writing. Wendigo I can agree with as he also should be able to put Wolverine down whenever he wants, so a fight with sasquatch is more believable.
I defer to what I previously stated above.

Originally posted by tkitna
Faster, stroner, and more agile,,,and I think he has proven he's better.
nope,
nothing about you stating spiderman's strengths while ignoring wolverine's makes spiderman superior... and if spiderman is so superior why hasn't he successfully beaten wolverine in a fight yet?



Originally posted by tkitna
Spiderman/Firelord, Wolverine/Hulk, Galactus ever losing to earth bound heros, etc,,,,. They fall into the same category.

no they don't... firelord set him self up for a fall, wolverine's been fighting hulk since his first damn appearance, he was CREATED to be a hulk villain, earthbound heroes are the go to guys for taking on the likes of thanos, titanus.. galactus is hardly any different.



Originally posted by tkitna
tell you to take it as it is, because when one reads a title for a debate like this, he immediately thinks to himself thats its retarded and its so one sided, but then again, lets grab all the comics that have Wolverine doing things so out of character just to boost his popularity up and we'll use those feats to argue. See my point. as I said before you know jack shit about wolverine, if you think his ability to take on class 100 is out of character... fighting hulk and downing wendigo in his first appearance was hardly in the name of wolverine's popularity.. you're points as skewed as your wit.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Apparently you didn't read the issue than I read it, he wasn't going to fight anybody..



Originally posted by King_Mungi
We established that, but before he was upside down Sasquatch didn't give have him the opportunity to fight back. How could he? exactly, it was a sneak attack.

Originally posted by jinzin
I read it, he wasn't going to fight anybody..

exactly, it was a sneak attack.

No, Shaman brought him there to fight as stated.

Not really, how can it be a sneak attack when Wolveine knew what was going on the entire time.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No, Shaman brought him there to fight as stated.
which is why he gave him the grub to break the spell right? pffft.. please it wasn't a fight, nor was it intended to be one..

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not really, how can it be a sneak attack when Wolveine knew what was going on the entire time. you can know you're gonna be met by some hostility all you want, but if you go into a dark cave and someone jumps you from behind it's STILL a sneak attack, I can't believe how horribly bias you're being here.

Originally posted by jinzin
which is why he gave him the grub to break the spell right? pffft.. please it wasn't a fight, nor was it intended to be one..

you can know you're gonna be met by some hostility all you want, but if you go into a dark cave and someone jumps you from behind it's STILL a sneak attack, I can't believe how horribly bias you're being here.

Actually it was, as the reason why Wolverine was brought here to directly fight the earthly manifestation of the Demon Shaman. He was definetly looking for a fight

Me bias? every single Wolverine thread you automatically states he win. Sasquatch is an Elder God yet you still believe he can take him no problem. My god read the comic, Wolverine wasn't in a cave and was completly in the open and knew Sasquatch was around and stated in the comic he was having a hard time pin-pointing Sasquatch. He was looking for him.

Originally posted by jinzin

hardly; he was still on his feet, still concious, and still ready to fight back.



http://web.telia.com/~u68002685/pics/WonderMan_vs_Logan_ic5.jpg

Yeah, Wolverine looks like he's full of piss and vinegar to me too.
How can you look at that scan and say Wolverine was on his feet and ready to fight?

Originally posted by tkitna
http://web.telia.com/~u68002685/pics/WonderMan_vs_Logan_ic5.jpg

Yeah, Wolverine looks like he's full of piss and vinegar to me too.
How can you look at that scan and say Wolverine was on his feet and ready to fight?

Yeah he is on his feet with some much needed assistance

Originally posted by King_Mungi

Me bias? every single Wolverine thread you automatically states he win. Sasquatch is an Elder God yet you still believe he can take him no problem.

Exactly. Its no use arguing the point because he has it in his mind that Wolverine cant be beat.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually it was, as the reason why Wolverine was brought here to directly fight the earthly manifestation of the Demon Shaman. He was definetly looking for a fight

no he wasn't... even if that WAS shaman's intention; and I can hardly see how that could even be....IT WASN"T WOLVERINE'S.... again I fil to see how you can argue this when it was clearly shown that given the oppurtunity to FIGHT BACK... wolverine didn't...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Me bias? every single Wolverine thread you automatically states he win. pfffft please... that's hardly what I do, half the threads I defend wolvie in I don't even claim a winner... I simply defend the guy for his feats, or argue against misrepresented one's... like in this tread, I haven't stated that wolverine wins so I don't see where you got that crap... what i'm doing is arguing facts.. nothing more.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sasquatch is an Elder God yet you still believe he can take him no problem. again: QUOTE ME ON THIS... oh that's right you can't.. cause I haven't stated wolverine wins.. much less no problem.... I'm simply stating facts...

to be honest I don't know who would win, I'd like to see some actual fights between the two instead of repeated sneak attacks, but right now the evidence isn't boding well in sas's favor. and don't throw that god crap at me, he may have plenty of potential but how often does he realize that potential? I mean christ, when people like freakout are taking damage from sas and keep coming...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
My god read the comic, Wolverine wasn't in a cave and was completly in the open and knew Sasquatch was around and stated in the comic he was having a hard time pin-pointing Sasquatch. He was looking for him. I've read it, sorry it's been a while I thought it was in a cave.. that dude drew some craptastic trees imo. in any case it was still a sneak attack no matter what way you look at it.

Originally posted by tkitna
http://web.telia.com/~u68002685/pics/WonderMan_vs_Logan_ic5.jpg

Yeah, Wolverine looks like he's full of piss and vinegar to me too.
How can you look at that scan and say Wolverine was on his feet and ready to fight? hmmm wellllllll....IT PROBABLY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT I'VE READ THE REST OF THE COMIC, DUH!...
I mean seriously.. look at the next page... (assuming you even have it)...
wolverine's on his feet (FACT!), he's not unconcious (FACT!)and not CLOSE to vegtable status, 'specially considering he's stalemating gamera five minutes later...
and he's talking about how he could have handled simon on his own (FACT!) jeesh...

the point of the matter is that the fight could have changed momentum as easily as it is to say snikt.... it happened to hulk, it'd happen to wonderman... I mean damn, the guy's been owned by a 3rd class assassin like splice but you think wolvie's gonna be at his wits end with this guy?

I believe the main point of that Wonder Man encounter is that Wolverine wasn't able to fight back as long as Simon was still pounding him (which can be clearly seen in lower left-hand panel. He's not in the right mind to fight back at all).

He was only still standing because someone stopped WM from continuing his beating.

Originally posted by Accel
I believe the main point of that Wonder Man encounter is that Wolverine wasn't able to fight back as long as Simon was still pounding him (which can be clearly seen in lower left-hand panel. He's not in the right mind to fight back at all).

He was only still standing because someone stopped WM from continuing his beating.

la-di-da! wolverine wasn't able to fight back from somebody who attacked him from behind....

again.. as for the last couple of panels... yes wolverine is staggered, bloodied, beaten.... however... it's as much speculation that wm would have downed him by the next hit, as it is to say that wolverine could RAISE HIS ARM AND SNIKT... really would it be THAT difficult to do? I mean he's done it against hulk, but not wonderman?

he had the stamina to remain standing after that but he doesn't have the strength to raise an arm?
sorry I just don't see it.


in any case the feat in question is another sneak attack posing as a fight plain and simple.. but does that mean that wonder man would have all those unanswered hits in a real fight? considering that splice outfought him to the point that he felt any move he made was going to play into splices hands... probably not.

Who grabbed WM's arm in the last panel?

Originally posted by jinzin
no he wasn't... even if that WAS shaman's intention; and I can hardly see how that could even be....IT WASN"T WOLVERINE'S.... again I fil to see how you can argue this when it was clearly shown that given the oppurtunity to FIGHT BACK... wolverine didn't...

pfffft please... that's hardly what I do, half the threads I defend wolvie in I don't even claim a winner... I simply defend the guy for his feats, or argue against misrepresented one's... like in this tread, I haven't stated that wolverine wins so I don't see where you got that crap... what i'm doing is arguing facts.. nothing more.

again: QUOTE ME ON THIS... oh that's right you can't.. cause I haven't stated wolverine wins.. much less no problem.... I'm simply stating facts...

to be honest I don't know who would win, I'd like to see some actual fights between the two instead of repeated sneak attacks, but right now the evidence isn't boding well in sas's favor. and don't throw that god crap at me, he may have plenty of potential but how often does he realize that potential? I mean christ, when people like freakout are taking damage from sas and keep coming...

I've read it, sorry it's been a while I thought it was in a cave.. that dude drew some craptastic trees imo. in any case it was still a sneak attack no matter what way you look at it.

Actually yes it was Wolverine's he even states in the comic he is ready to fight multiple times. So no. Ok? I never said he didn't.

And yet I'm not the only one who claims the exact same thing. Facts is Sasquatch at his best which we go by this board can become an Elder God very quickly as it took seconds when Snowbird attacked him in volume.1

Actually I can, you state Wolverine can basically slash him like nothing. However, he has shown to catch people far faster than Wolverine.

Every single time he transforms into Sasquatch as stated Tanaraq takes control by the longer he remains transformed and if he experiences pain or rage. Actually the evidence is not bodding well for Wolverine, notice your the only one debating Wolverine "chances"

Facts as stated, Wolverine isn't taking an Elder God. As you stated he can simply slash Sasquatch and get the advantage...hardly accurate.
Wasn't a true sneak attack as he was expecting Sasquatch and knew there would be a fight and knew Sasquatch was coming he was even looking for him.