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Battle is on a neutral planet. Who wins?

DC a hundered out of ten.

That easy, huh?

thanos<odin=highfather<<<darkseid

highfather/drkseid for the win

Ah.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
thanos=odin=highfather<<<darkseid
If Thanos is equal to Odin (I'll play along here), Odin is definitely not touching Highfather.

ok then sorry all that matters is that Ds wipes his ass with all of them

Originally posted by Validus
If Thanos is equal to Odin (I'll play along here), Odin is definitely not touching Highfather.

How is Thanos equal to Odin?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
ok then sorry all that matters is that Ds wipes his ass with all of them
DS and Highfather are equal in power.

Are you sure?
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7845/adventure460292wotb3.jpg

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Are you sure?
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7845/adventure460292wotb3.jpg god i hate the way darky looked in some of those older comics! a cape?

High Father is equal to Darkseid. If he wasn't, Darkseid would have been took over New Genesis. High Father is a passive GOD.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Are you sure?

You realized if we pick and chose one showing to represent a character, DS is not even Superman level?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
High Father is equal to Darkseid. If he wasn't, Darkseid would have been took over New Genesis. High Father is a passive GOD.
ok then again
DARKSEID BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF HIGHFATHER
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8522/adventure460292woeb0.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
How is Thanos equal to Odin?
He aint You can also look at it this way. Darkseid has jobbed to a several people. Niether Odin or Zeus have jobbed to anyone that Im aware of.

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
He aint You can also look at it this way. Darkseid has jobbed to a several people. Niether Odin or Zeus have jobbed to anyone that Im aware of.

So? That has nothing to do with anything.

Originally posted by batdude123
So? That has nothing to do with anything.
Damnit I had a good joke to make out of that and you ruined itcry Something about Darkseids awsome powers of losing to a loser and all that, making fun of the whole ABC theoryscry

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Damnit I had a good joke to make out of that and you ruined itcry Something about Darkseids awsome powers of losing to a loser and all that, making fun of the whole ABC theoryscry

Originally posted by batdude123

glarebawling

???

Odin/Zeus

DS is comparable to the Galauctus, so DS and Highfather take it for the win.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
DS is comparable to the Galauctus, so DS and Highfather take it for the win.

Galactus?

No.

Odin destroys DS no sweat as he has better feats.

Im pretty sure it was stated that a full powered DS could stalmate the big G, but it wouldnt surprise me since he is the son of the cource. Anyways HF/DS FTW...

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Odin destroys DS no sweat as he has better feats. Says you? Darkseid is better than Odin and Zeus at everything...

team one.

This was said by Kirby, I think.

Sadly, Kirby is dead.

His ideas oN DS are dead.

Ie. they mean nothing.

We go by canon.

Canon = DS isn't Odin level, let alone Galactus level.

Not at fighting top tiers, apparently.

Or having battles where galaxies go boom.

Originally posted by Sirius77
team one.

team two

The current DS is above Odin, hell DS fights Gods all the time...of course he is above Odin. DS is the son of the source...nuff said.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Not at fighting top tiers, apparently.

Or having battles where galaxies go boom.

He is above odin though.

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Highfather and Darkseid's energies are stated as potent enough to balance creation and stabilize the madness of The Source:



http://img477.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newgods10079zu.jpg

Darkseid creates Stayne, Takion's equal and opposite, with a wave of his hand (and demonstrates that he can size-change):



http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takion2125zp7ua.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takion2137mg5wc.jpg





Orion attacks Darkseid's avatar in a confrontation that quickly falls into The Firepits. (It's revealed a few issues later that this was really an avatar walking around since #12, as in #11 Highfather did something screwy with Darkseid's physical body and his own, leaving DS only able to project himself through avatars until the end of #15 ... Very convoluted plot) Here it is:



http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f913a471jpgorig7kj.jpg





While the rest of the battle is off-panel, the conclusion to the battle is not left ambiguous. Here's Orion after the fight is finished:





http://img328.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ng13017rq.jpg

http://img328.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ng13049jj.jpg

http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=motherbox9td.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yellow24az.jpg



Even after he awakes, Orion is so weak from the battle that he's killed by Desaad:



http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ng14165gx.jpg

http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ng14171oz.jpg



The state of Darkseid's avatar afterwards? Alive, well, and overpowering The Forever People's Mother Box, warping the direction of Vykin's Boom Tube:



http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ng14225zy.jpg



The avatar is "vastly more powerful" than Vykin, who's a decent magnetist:

http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powerfulvikyn8kt.jpg



The revelation that this is an avatar:



http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9cca559jpgorig2ra.jpg





Here's a page which gives a small idea of how many worlds Darkseid stripped of Gods in his Pantheon-slaying:



http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jkfw03185mr.jpg





The confirmation that it was indeed entire Pantheons he destroyed:



http://img326.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jkfw04151ls.jpg





After Darkseid's amps from absorbing the power of Pantheons, DC Odin admits that his power level is now beyond Asgard's ability to reckon:



http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa66603fjpgorig7hq.jpg



Here's a scene from Walt's Orion run that shows a highlight panel of the slayings. While this is just one example of him killing a God, the panel was obviously meant as a representation of all of his Pantheon slayings, and what he's shown using to accomplish the killings/power-stealing is Omega Beams:



http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbc33955jpgorig7zh.jpg





For comparison's sake, let's take a look at Blasphemy vs. Etrigan. Now, it is clear in the end that Etrigan is more powerful overall, based on the fact that his mystical containment thingie held Blasphemy immobile. On the purely physical level, however, they look about on the same level. Both rock each other with blasts and punches, but neither hurt each other too much with them:





http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb9772a1jpgorig6il.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb97729cjpgorig1fr.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb977295jpgorig8as.jpg





Now first, so you don't have to take my word for it, Darkseid stating he is manifesting himself as an avatar in this issue:



http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb977017jpgorig9uj.jpg





And here's the avatar's performance vs. Blasfemy. IMO, the physical and blast-strength difference between the avatar compared to Etrigan is obvious:





http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb977015jpgorig8lu.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb977010jpgorig7cc.jpg






Darkseid and Highfather fly to The Source Wall at "unimaginable" speeds:



http://img477.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newgods10194qs.jpg



Darkseid and Highfather combined destroy The Source Wall (later, in Genesis, it took Highfather, Ares, Zeus, Jupiter, and Odin to recreate this feat, and that was while the Wall was weakened):



http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f98db9dajpgorig4ze.jpg



Darkseid projects himself through a ton of constructs all over Apokolips, letting his minions know that they'll never be free from him:



http://img477.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newgods11195gm.jpg





Darkseid frees Kalibak from shackles created by Alpha Force-empowered Mr. Miracle, and it's revealed that The Alpha Force and Omega Effect are the antithesis of each other:



http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=150oz.jpg

http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=168uj.jpg

http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=203nz.jpg



Darkseid dismisses The Outsiders and restores their abducted city's population with a gesture:



http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9994202jpgorig6rm.jpg

Scans thanks to jimmy-chan.

Originally posted by guy222
team two

NOOOOO!!!!

Current DS did what to show he's on Odin's level?

He died?

Nice.

And Sirius, NONE of those feats come close to destroying a galaxy in a fight. Sorry.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Current DS did what to show he's on Odin's level?

He died?

Nice.

And Sirius, NONE of those feats come close to destroying a galaxy in a fight. Sorry.

Destroying the source wall? I'm sorry, try again.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Current DS did what to show he's on Odin's level?

He died?

Nice.

And Sirius, NONE of those feats come close to destroying a galaxy in a fight. Sorry.

LMAO...wow man. Anyways DS>>Odin, next please.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO...wow man. Anyways DS>>Odin, next please. You pwned that n00b!

I'm going to try that...

Captain America>>>>>Galactus. Hey, it works!

I'm pretty sure there's BS behind this. I'll consult people who know what they're talking about and get back to you.



All I have to say is...

Superman > Thanos. according to you.

That alone shows you have no brain, no credibility and no worth in a debate.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I'm pretty sure there's BS behind this. I'll consult people who know what they're talking about and get back to you. Ask for an issue number... that usually stumps 'em.

Dude, DS and Highfather both destroyed the source wall. I dont really know what more anyone can say, you either accept DS and Highfathers feats or you can decide to negate them in favor of "marvel bias". The facts are right there in front of you, and nothing u say can change that.

Now I dont exaclty feel like getting into the whole "supes vs odin" debate, but if superman was written to his full potential (PC supes, Supes 1m, AS Supes, SBP) then I think he could match someone like Odin failry well. Supes has had feats that are comparable to a lot of high tier skyfather characters so i dont think i was that out of line.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I'm pretty sure there's BS behind this. I'll consult people who know what they're talking about and get back to you.

How is there bs? The scan is right above you, friend. Your not seeing something that isn't there, lol.

Originally posted by Sirius77
How is there bs? The scan is right above you, friend. Your not seeing something that isn't there, lol. He obviously wants to deny the truth they just don't understand how powerful Darkseid is..

Translation:

Whine, whine, ***** *****.

I thinK SUPES BEATS THANOS.

Your views have no value to anyone who knows anything about comics.



PC Superman is not his potential.

PC Superman was an inconsistent plot device who is a joke for how ridiculous and idiotic he is.

SBP and All-Star Superman both are stronger than Superman of New Earth just as alternate versions of characters vary in power.

Oh and no, Supes has nothing Skyfather level.



I also see repeated mentions of Darkseid avatars.

Which mostly don't exist.

We know of I think once or twice when they were used. Every other time is conjecture.

Yes, Doomsday WTFpwned the real Darkseid. Unless you can provide the source saying DS was an avatar in that story?

Oops. You can't. Thanks for playing.

Anyway, people here are known for taking scans out of context or outright altering the scans.

So, why should I take it at face value?

Why not just post Darkseid beating Orion and Firestorm? I mean, sure it SOUNDS impressive but Orion in that story was a weak-ass.

Context to a scan is the key. Not the scan itself.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I also see repeated mentions of Darkseid avatars.

Which mostly don't exist.

We know of I think once or twice when they were used. Every other time is conjecture.

Yes, Doomsday WTFpwned the real Darkseid. Unless you can provide the source saying DS was an avatar in that story?

Oops. You can't. Thanks for playing.

Anyway, people here are known for taking scans out of context or outright altering the scans.

So, why should I take it at face value?

Appearently you haven't been reading dc comics lately...

Darkseid now has a portion of the ale and the full omega force. He is his pc self again. Most of his low feats have been retconned away along with the old dcu. New earth brought back some of the pc abilities of dc characters. So, no, that is not the same darkseid that was hurt by dd. But even if it was, it's not a bad feat, considering it took the force of the entropy of the big bang that made the dcu to temporarily stop (not so much as kill because he basically came right back in a different form, lol) dd.

So, no, I didn't take the scans out of context, you just refuse to believe what is in front of you because you don't like it.

Blah blah blah. Lost to Superman. nice.

Oh and Doomsday DIED in Entropy until Zero Hour changed things.



Blah blah blah. No context still.

You are thus flatly refusing to even own up to having a clue what happened in that issue the scan is from?

Also why does Darkseid combining power with Highfather breaking the Source Wall > galaxy-busting?

What powerful persons and attacks has the Source Wall fended off?

You'r really in denial about this whole thing for some reason, the evidence is right in front of you. Current DS is basically at his PC self. He is easily above Odin at this point so deal with it. Oh and PC supes is considered to ba skyfather character, even if he is on the lower end of the list it doesnt change the fact that his power is still "skyfather"level. Read up on some DC and come back with some sensible points...because you're really coming off as a fanboy now.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Also why does Darkseid combining power with Highfather breaking the Source Wall > galaxy-busting?

What powerful persons and attacks has the Source Wall fended off?

It's beyond Odin's power to break the wall. And as for what it's resisted, try the old gods and promethean giants, including Yuga Khan.

Zeus and Odin win this due to Odin being that damn good. I mean really Odin would tear them up let alone the help he has here and its a ten outta ten affair.

According to someone who isn't sucking DS' schlong.

Yeah but he wont care...because according to him its not "galaxy destroying". DS is beyong galaxy destroying dude.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
According to someone who isn't sucking DS' schlong.

Ahem. Darkseid forced his way into the source. That's not a feat in your eyes?

Since it was with Highfather's power, the Source was dying and the duo came to save it and not invade it, it doesn't seem like one.

The Old Gods and such tried invading a not dying Source.

So like he said, not comparable.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Yeah but he wont care...because according to him its not "galaxy destroying". DS is beyong galaxy destroying dude. Galen you really have already said that Superman could beat Odin and even a Superman fanboy wouldnt have the gall to claim that.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ahem. Darkseid forced his way into the source. That's not a feat in your eyes? I saw the page it let them in becuz it was dying it wasnt like they forced there way in there. Actually read it and then youd realize this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I saw the page it let them in becuz it was dying it wasnt like they forced there way in there. Actually read it and then youd realize this.

Different feat.


Darkseid's life-force causes The Source itself agony, forcing it to open itself to him. In the process, he also became the first being ever to successfully bully his or her way into The Source:
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9143934jpgorig1oz.jpg

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Since it was with Highfather's power, the Source was dying and the duo came to save it and not invade it, it doesn't seem like one.

The Old Gods and such tried invading a not dying Source.

So like he said, not comparable. What do you mean, you don't see it as a feat? Because if you want to get technical like that, then characters who can create universes could fall under the same category. It's not a combat feat, but an indication to how powerful they must be. You have to be skyfather or above to fix the Source. And the Source being in a weakened state makes the feat more impressive...so I don't see what your getting at. That would've meant they had to provide alot of power to fix it.

it's not a feat for them busting the source, since the Source let them in. the feat is in their power being able to fix the Source. That's a massive power feat.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Different feat.


Darkseid's life-force causes The Source itself agony, forcing it to open itself to him. In the process, he also became the first being ever to successfully bully his or her way into The Source:
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9143934jpgorig1oz.jpg What issue of what comic was this in? I have all the new gods runs but I cant remember offhand so I can look into it myself. You always leave important details out.

Trickstar, you're changing your position.

The original point of the scan was Darkseid broke the Source Wall.

That was shown to be wrong so you make up this?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
it's not a feat for them busting the source, since the Source let them in. the feat is in their power being able to fix the Source. That's a massive power feat. But they are closely tied to the source basically. So any new god in their position would be able to do it. Doesnt help them at all against Odin and Zeus so why bring this stuff up.

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6427/ng1512ab3.jpg

Darkseid NOT gone to the Source?

Retcons are so bittersweet.

Also, it wasn't Darkseid's power that fixed the Source. It was he and Highfather's positions. They are opposite ends of the spectrum. The light and dark. By giving that to the Source, it stabilized it.

Looks like trickster wont post any kind of retort at all. All is as it should be.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Different feat.


Darkseid's life-force causes The Source itself agony, forcing it to open itself to him. In the process, he also became the first being ever to successfully bully his or her way into The Source:
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9143934jpgorig1oz.jpg

Where, pray tell, is it indicated that its Darkseid's life force that is forcing it open?

The fact that this occurred in his laboratory, and he was manning a machine, didn't hint that it was his technology?

Originally posted by Desaad
Where, pray tell, is it indicated that its Darkseid's life force that is forcing it open?

The fact that this occurred in his laboratory, and he was manning a machine, didn't hint that it was his technology? Yet another poster slams into tricktser. I dont know if he will ever learn.

Tricktser learn from this experience and become better because of it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yet another poster slams into tricktser. I dont know if he will ever learn.

Tricktser learn from this experience and become better because of it.

Not looking good for you, though, since that was Darkseid's TECHNOLOGY right there.

Originally posted by Desaad
Not looking good for you, though, since that was Darkseid's TECHNOLOGY right there. Thanos and I are fine thank you very much.



We dont scare easily.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos and I are fine thank you very much.



We dont scare easily.



Are you going to bring in the Thanos copter for the fight?

I think that would be too powerful. Close to God-level.

For the record i never said Supes could beat Odin, i just said he could give him a good fight(especially PC supes). Anyways, yeah I think we all know who would win this.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
For the record i never said Supes could beat Odin, i just said he could give him a good fight(especially PC supes).

PC Supes might very well give Odin a worse fight than current Superman.

That Superman was painfully and totally vulnerable to magic.

One blast from Odin would reduce him to a skeleton.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What issue of what comic was this in? I have all the new gods runs but I cant remember offhand so I can look into it myself. You always leave important details out.

New Gods v3 (or 4, depending on how you measure these things) #1, by Rachel Pollack and Tom Peyer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But they are closely tied to the source basically. So any new god in their position would be able to do it.

No, they wouldn't.

So PC supes would be oneshotted u say...lol. Anyways....

The Thanos copter would bash through the Source Wall and fly to Heaven. He'd bash through Michael and the Pearly Gatles.

Then Thanos meets............GOD.

Who is revealed to be...Jon Starlin.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
^right............ Well we each are entittled to our views on things, as insane as they might sound.

Am I to take this to mean that you have no reply to my point about Pre Crisis Superman?

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
The Thanos copter would bash through the Source Wall and fly to Heaven. He'd bash through Michael and the Pearly Gatles.

Then Thanos meets............GOD.

Who is revealed to be...Jon Starlin.

Is Jon Starlin in anyway related to Jim Starlin, Thanos' creator?

Well I dont think Odin would onshot him if thats what your implying, give him more credit then that.

He's the great great great great great great great great great great great uncle of Jim, yes.

He made a depiction of Thanos in a cave.

See? PROOF.

Darkseid is a Thanos rip-off. Not the other way around.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well I dont think Odin would onshot him if thats what your implying, give him more credit then that.

Why not? We've seen lesser powered mages do more to that version of Superman.

Well I dont want to start any shit up, but didnt Odin run away like a scared little ***** from Mangog....who Thor defeated?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well I dont want to start any shit up, but didnt Odin run away like a scared little ***** from Mangog....who Thor defeated?

Um...no?

Not only did Thor never defeat original, Silver Age Mangog....

But when Odin woke up from his Odin Sleep, he casually unbound the souls of Mangog's being, dispersing him and his threat.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well I dont want to start any shit up, but didnt Odin run away like a scared little ***** from Mangog....who Thor defeated? Thor defeated him because he cheapshotted him...

Also, Odin has defeated Mangog straight up twice... perhaps more.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Thor defeated him because he cheapshotted him...

Also, Odin has defeated Mangog straight up twice... perhaps more.

Thor has never defeated a true Mangog.

The only version he's ever defeated, with the hammer down the throat, was a version who was no longer powered by the hate of a "billion, billion beings" but instead by the hate of a Thanos clone.

Quite a downgrade.

Originally posted by Desaad
Thor has never defeated a true Mangog.

The only version he's ever defeated, with the hammer down the throat, was a version who was no longer powered by the hate of a "billion, billion beings" but instead by the hate of a Thanos clone.

Quite a downgrade. Perhaps... but I'm only explaining why Thor was able to beat him anyway, 'cause Thor got the shit kicked out of him in that series by Mangog... lots.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well I dont want to start any shit up, but didnt Odin run away like a scared little ***** from Mangog....who Thor defeated? I believe they told you.
You have been corrected yet again.