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A lot of threads recently want to send Marvel to take over the DC earth. If Anti-Monitor and Imperiex Prime joined forces and invaded Marvel Earth...who would win?

You have every Marvel earthbound hero and villain...hell, even through in all the Heralds.

Anti-monitor and Imperiex Prime over marvel earth 10/10

who is the most powerful on marvel earth? midgard serpent? strange? who else?

Surter, Ymir, Odin, Zues..all the olympian and asgardian gods

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Surter, Ymir, Odin, Zues..all the olympian and asgardian gods they arent on earth.

well, technically they aren't...they are in a different dimension...but, they are Earth gods...and it is the planet where their worshippers reside.

not surtur and ymir.

As far as just Marvel Earth...you can use X-Man and Franklin Richards

Everyone on Marvel Earth throws themselves at them while Reed Richards, Dr Doom, Forge, Black Panther, Tony Stark, Dr. Strange, and Mr Sinister (He can help by cloning more Reed Richards) build some giant cannon that will either kill them or send them to another dimension.
Sentry, Thor, Inhumans, Eternals, Omega Mutants, etc. could hold those two off until the giant cannon is ready.

surtur and ymir pre date the gods, i believe...i think they are just like the Greek Titans...and the Titans Cronus and Rhea gave birth to the Olympian gods. I'm sure a similar story exists for the Asgardian pantheon...but, i'm not really sure on that.

bone claws wolverine could take them both.

Eternals combine to create Uni-Mind The Earth Gods create Destroyer when he was 2000 feet Phoenix Quasar plus Mister Fantastic Dr Doom Apocalypse Mister Sinister many geniuses to come up with plain.

Hulks Pants take them both out 10/10

yamir odin mangog are all just skyfathers and franklin richards isnt a universal power he ran out of power or seemed to just summening galactus and these guys are going up against a guy who kills infinite universes to the point that its not an infininte amount of universes anymore, he dont need imperiex help.

The only thing stopping Antimoniter is the Ultimate nullifier or LT closing off the 616 Universe.

imperiex probes kill all the smallfry and imperiex then comes to kill the big boys.

imperiex would have a hard time maybe by himself i dont even know his powers all i heard is that he shoots beams wow but there pretty strong none the less so yeah he's pretty strong, but anti monitor would win he stalemated the DCU's version of the LT even though i still think LT eats it most of the time against anyone higher then korvac in the what if

Spite thread. Especially with just Marvel Earth.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Spite thread. Especially with just Marvel Earth.
Reed richards is there.

Ok...what characters short of the LT and Eternity would need to intervene to drive away this threat. Would a fully powered Galactus and all his Heralds at Full strength be enough to repel the threat....along with Marvel Earth's threat.....well, in essence...if Anti-Monitor did actually invade...he would be after the entire multiverse...not just Marvel Earth(616)...so, abstract entities would probably get involved.

Originally posted by Skeets
Reed richards is there.

So is Green Goblin.

If they came to marvel earth, right now?! during civil war...

in civil war 3, strange was off in another dimension and could not be reached. Ie. no hope for earth.

strange is like rocky. he may looks small. but he packs a wicket left hook.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Spite thread. Especially with just Marvel Earth.

jean/phoenix
franklin richards
cable
scarlet witch
invisible woman
dr strange
genis
sentry
thor
maelstrom
magneto

rune king thor
odin
zeus
gaia
atum
loki
hercules
human torch
blackbolt
rick jones
the void


yea thas enough earth bound superhumans to take care of the 2 not to mention reed, sinister, iron man, doom etc.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
jean/phoenix
franklin richards
cable
scarlet witch
invisible woman
dr strange
genis
sentry
thor
maelstrom
magneto

rune king thor
odin
zeus
gaia
atum
loki
hercules
human torch
blackbolt
rick jones
the void


yea thas enough earth bound superhumans to take care of the 2 not to mention reed, sinister, iron man, doom etc. Many of the characters you mentioned aren't Earth characters or characters who are typically written as being on Earth, and some of them aren't even around. Void is gone. Rune King Thor is not on current Marvel Earth. Neither is Odin Zues or Atum. etc etc.

sky fathers would go down, strange would probably go down too if the PF is truly all powrful she shouldnt be in this fight, thor and those others would all die

Originally posted by bigbran
bone claws wolverine could take them both. Only if he has the Infinity Gauntlet.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
A lot of threads recently want to send Marvel to take over the DC earth. If Anti-Monitor and Imperiex Prime joined forces and invaded Marvel Earth...who would win?

You have every Marvel earthbound hero and villain...hell, even through in all the Heralds. Give Marvel side Superman and they have a chance.

Reed Richards presses one button on the Ultimate Nullifier.

Erases Anti-Monitor & Imperiex from existence.

This is no contest.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Reed Richards presses one button on the Ultimate Nullifier.

Erases Anti-Monitor & Imperiex from existence.

This is no contest. But is Reed's mind enough to handle it? Let's not forget, that not only does the UN destroy the wielder's enemies but if the wielder's mind is not strong enough, he can die too

Originally posted by General Kon-El
But it'd destroy them too.

Destroy who?

Anti Monitor could link Reed to himself, making him do nothing but feed energy into him. Or you know... kill him. This is a universe destroyer, and a multiverse destroyer on one team trying to fight off one small planet.


Are we considering Anti-Montor before or after Spectre found him?
Until his progression was stopped by The Wrath of God, he was pretty much unbeatable, he destroyed reality after reality until "Infinite" realities, was suddenly able to be counted on one hand.

Sentry
Blackbolt with Inhumans
The Xmen with other Mutants
Namor with Alantis
Excalibur
Reed
Torch came outa his coma
Sue
Thing is gone
A Thor is here
Magneto
SS would sence wats going on somehow
Galactus aint lettin these f*ckers take his food sorce away
Doom needs a world to rule
Ironman and the resta of the hero hunters are there
Thunderbolts
YoungAvengers/Runaways
Not to mention there are still villians too
we dont kno if Dr Strange is uncontactable or hes pullin a hide from the bill collecters move and he really is watching everything.

Originally posted by General Kon-El
But is Reed's mind enough to handle it? Let's not forget, that not only does the UN destroy the wielder's enemies but if the wielder's mind is not strong enough, he can die too

Handle it?

He's done it before.

In the Abraxas arc,

Reed destroyed and remade the entire Multi-verse instantaneously.

Originally posted by Juntai
Anti Monitor could link Reed to himself, making him do nothing but feed energy into him. Or you know... kill him. This is a universe destroyer, and a multiverse destroyer on one team trying to fight off one small planet.


Are we considering Anti-Montor before or after Spectre found him?
Until his progression was stopped by The Wrath of God, he was pretty much unbeatable, he destroyed reality after reality until "Infinite" realities, was suddenly able to be counted on one hand.

If Reed activates the Nullifier, Anti-Monitor and Imperiex are erased.

"reality after reality"

How about ALL realities (the Multi-verse) instantaneously erased and remade on a whim in your image. (Reed, with the Ultimate Nullifier can do this)

Marvel Earth is a big place with a lot of strong heroes and bad guys. They band together and win this battle.

Imperiex Prime was battling millions of beings at the same time and they couldn't do anything to him. Darkseid himself had to get involved and try to put a plan together to stop Imperiex to save himself and the Fourth World. Anti-Monitor, Imperiex Prime win.

Also how long does Marvel Earth have to prepare for a war with these 2?

Originally posted by kevdude
Also how long does Marvel Earth have to prepare for a war with these 2?

No need for prep.

Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier,
and in a blink of an eye the Multi-verse along with Anti-Monitor and Imperiex is erased,
then, just as quickly the Multi-verse is remade with the UN.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If Reed activates the Nullifier, Anti-Monitor and Imperiex are erased.

"reality after reality"

How about ALL realities (the Multi-verse) instantaneously erased and remade on a whim in your image. (Reed, with the Ultimate Nullifier can do this) If he ever got the chance too.

On the other hand, they can destroy him, destroy the planet, destroy the whole galaxy with little effort. Or control him and vast amounts of other heros and grow stronger through it, and become the hand that created the marvel multiverse.

And actually, recreating the multiverse is what Spectre did in combat against the Anti Monitor, and it didn't erase him at all.

And Imperiex IS the end of the previous multiverse.




You know, whichever is more likely.

Some of these replies are a joke. The Anti-Monitor was laughing off tons and tons of Pre-Crisis DC heroes, including multiple skyfather mages from different realities and people are listing guys like Magneto and Thor as if they will turn the tides? Get real guys.

Originally posted by Validus
Some of these replies are a joke. The Anti-Monitor was laughing off tons and tons of Pre-Crisis DC heroes, including multiple skyfather mages from different realities people are listing guys like Magneto and Thor as if they will turn the tides? Get real guys. Yeah, entire universes banded their greatest together. Many skyfather+ beings were there.

Originally posted by Juntai
Yeah, entire universes banded their greatest together. Many skyfather+ beings were there. no one is saying they will beat them straight up(well me anyway) they are saying that the un will do the job.

just a minute... is bone claw wolverine there?

Originally posted by Juntai
And actually, recreating the multiverse is what Spectre did in combat against the Anti Monitor, and it didn't erase him at all.

The Ultimate Nullifier erases the Multi-verse and everything in it, then it recreates it as you wish.


Originally posted by Juntai
And Imperiex IS the end of the previous multiverse.

UN is the End and the Beginning.

so what dr strange defeated DEATH ......................TWICE{fair fight, no prep or sneaky feats} the inbetweener and heck he even RESISTED the living tribunal. final argument

vishantis>>>antimonitor/imperiexprime

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Ultimate Nullifier erases the Multi-verse and everything in it, then it recreates it as you wish.




UN is the End and the Beginning.

ur beginning to sound like gs about the phoenix when u talk about infinite gauntlett or ultimate nullifier.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

vishantis>>>antimonitor/imperiexprime
Antimonitor > Vishantis


what proves do u have that Vishantis >>>>>> Antimonitor who is a multiversal problem

calling on the power of the eternal vishantis dr strange has defeated death twice and resisted the multiversal guardian living tribunal. but hey wer forgetting sumthing here. wasnt the antimonitor destroyed once by darkside's omega affect?! u should look at both high and low level feats before saying sumthin has multiversal power.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ur beginning to sound like gs about the phoenix when u talk about infinite gauntlett or ultimate nullifier.

But I back up my claims with On Panel Proof.

What do you got, besides opinions and empty statements.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But I back up my claims with On Panel Proof.

What do you got, besides opinions and empty statements. THE POWER OF leonheart

Originally posted by kgkg
THE POWER OF leonheart

thy shall not dare insult the power of the great squall leonheart. or he will summon greiver to wreak havoc upon thy bastard children!

seriously AM is greater than anybody on there team. heck they could add the Celestials to the equation and AM would still smack them down. seriously AM kills Imperiex absorbs the energy and blasts ME into component atoms and eats them. AM was the evil in COIE for petes sake. He won't be taken down without at least LT getting involved. and since when does Reed have easy access to the Ultimate Nullifier? I'd really like to know. its seems whenever prep and Reed are involved in the same sentence UN happens to always come up.

The Ultimate Nullifier may not even work on Anti-Monitor...it is only assumed that it would work. Darkseid never destroyed Anti-Monitor with the Omega Effect....it tooked the combined efforts of the most powerful beings of the universes that were still left to defeat AM. The UN is below the IG...and in another thread, we're debating on whether or not the IG could even defeat the AM

Originally posted by Superherovandal
seriously AM is greater than anybody on there team. heck they could add the Celestials to the equation and AM would still smack them down. seriously AM kills Imperiex absorbs the energy and blasts ME into component atoms and eats them. AM was the evil in COIE for petes sake.

I think not.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
He won't be taken down without at least LT getting involved.

That would be overkill.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
and since when does Reed have easy access to the Ultimate Nullifier? I'd really like to know. its seems whenever prep and Reed are involved in the same sentence UN happens to always come up.

Access?

Since when do AM and Imperiex have access to Marvel Earth?

We say Reed would use the Nullifier because he has on panel.

In fact, Reed has had access to it more than most, excluding Galactus of course.

Because of the Watcher, who doesn't interfere but implanted it's location in the Human torches mind, to be remembered and found if need be.
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3114/un1qb7.th.jpg
This is back in 1966, at that time the Watcher guided the Human Torch to it location.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9638/un2dg0.th.jpg
The Watcher protected the Human Torch in his journey through Time & Space.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/2760/un3qi7.th.jpg
It was to find the Ultimate Nullifier.

Reed was the first to almost use the Nullifier, way back in FF #50 - 1966
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4051/un4nv9.th.jpg

Ok

Now this is 2001, during the Abraxas arc.
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2690/un5kf2.th.jpg
The location of the UN is accessible via Johnny Storm (Human Torch),

Only this time he needed a special space suit to survive the rigors of space, because Abraxas had comatose Uatu.
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6554/un8zy1.th.jpg
Reed Richards quickly figures it out.

Now let's witness the Power of the Ultimate Nullifier in Reed Richard's hands.

In the Abraxas arc, the Multi-verse was literally collapsing.

Because Abraxas had the Galactus of many Universes.
http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/8695/0unabraxaskillsallg3ps.th.jpg

Witness Reality all around him crumbling while he calmly passes by.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2280/unabraxasmayhem2sh1.th.jpg

Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3020/earthalignment8vq.th.jpg

Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg

Finally what does this lead to?

Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.
What was MISALIGNED? The MULTI-VERSE!
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg


How was this done?


Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & remake the Multiverse
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg

UN destroys the Multiverse
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/932/2undestroysmultieternityinfini.th.jpg

UN remakes the Multiverse in an instant
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/893/3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.th.jpg

And to make it clear that the UN is VERY capable of doing just that.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5568/unismulticv0.th.jpg

Right, but Spectre shattered all reality and rebuilt it too, and it didn't erase Anti-Monitor. You've got no proof this idea would work either.

Especially when Johny and Reed could easily be controled, defeated or killed by either of these guys, or an Imperiex Probe, or the Shadows of the Anti-Monitor. The entire planet would be covered with beings that could smash the heros. Shit, and they can shoot out beams to destroy the planet outright.

They could seriously conquer it with little effort.

Reed coming out with Ultimate Nullifier is reaching pretty bad, imo.

Originally posted by Juntai
Right, but Spectre shattered all reality and rebuilt it too, and it didn't erase Anti-Monitor. You've got no proof this idea would work either.


That's your opinion, as mine is another.

How can I have proof?

That's strange for you to say.

My proof is the Feat.

It's quite simple...

If AM or Imperiex can not destroy & recreate the Multi-verse in an instant, then they are below the UN.


Originally posted by Juntai
Especially when Johny and Reed could easily be controled, defeated or killed by either of these guys,

Really?

How was AM defeated again?

Originally posted by Juntai
or an Imperiex Probe,

Reed will drop a Big Bang explosion on his head.

Reed can harness the Big Bang of a Universe
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/9524/reedmakesbigbang8ty.th.jpg
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/1517/reedmakesbigbang25ji.th.jpg
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/6476/reedmakesbigbang38sm.th.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7981/reedmakesbigbang43pu.th.jpg

Originally posted by Juntai
or the Shadows of the Anti-Monitor.

Or Mr Fantastic's Super Canon, that blew away LT and the Cosmics.

It took Reed 20 years to build this Super Canon
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8238/reedsuper3yk7.th.jpg
It's designed to harness a being's own power against them.

Reed's Super Canon created a feedback of cosmic proportions that blew back everyone into other dimensions.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9347/reedsuper5le6.th.jpg
How you like dem apples.
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1729/reedsuper6iq6.th.jpg

Originally posted by Juntai
The entire planet would be covered with beings that could smash the heros. Shit, and they can shoot out beams to destroy the planet outright.

And Molecule Man will simply re-order Reality to what it should be.
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4217/mmlm0.th.jpg
And if let's loose "Evil Molecule Man"....ouch.

This is still just the gentle side.
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7868/mm1yo1.th.jpg
"Ripping galaxies apart, bending the Laws of nature at Whim...That's easy stuff"

Originally posted by Juntai
They could seriously conquer it with little effort.

I think not.

Originally posted by Juntai
Reed coming out with Ultimate Nullifier is reaching pretty bad, imo.

From the evidence above, I don't think so.

Imperiex Prime destroyed the last DC Multiverse, and his probes was going around the DCU destroying galaxies (this is just with 1 or 2 probes doing the job). That puts him above a Big Bang explosion. Brainiac 13 while joined with Imperiex Prime drained all of Apokolips of its power. Took a full powered Apokolips and Earth to send Brainiac 13/Imperiex Prime back to the Big Bang. Kismet 2nd most powerful Lord of Order and the DCU's protector went up against him and lost! She knew she was going to lose but had to try.

Reed and Doom would have to have plunty of time for planning and having someone use the IG against these 2 to stand a chance.

Originally posted by kevdude
Imperiex Prime destroyed the last DC Multiverse,

So did Reed Richards,

in the blink of an eye he destroyed it and remade it, the Multi-verse.

Originally posted by kevdude
and his probes was going around the DCU destroying galaxies (this is just with 1 or 2 probes doing the job). That puts him above a Big Bang explosion.

Big Bangs destroy Universes.

Universes contain BILLIONS of Galaxies.

How do you compare those probes to Big Bangs?

Originally posted by kevdude
Brainiac 13 while joined with Imperiex Prime drained all of Apokolips of its power. Took a full powered Apokolips and Earth to send Brainiac 13/Imperiex Prime back to the Big Bang.

That's all it took?

The entire Multi-verse couldn't harm Abraxas, and the Ultimate Nullifier erased him in an instant.

Originally posted by kevdude
Kismet 2nd most powerful Lord of Order and the DCU's protector went up against him and lost! She knew she was going to lose but had to try.

I wish I could say the same about our "Omni-versal Guardian" (Roma), but she was too afraid to battle Abraxas....He Killed her anyway with a kiss.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4475/unabraxaskillsromauy3.th.jpg
Yes, this is the same Abraxas that gets erased with the UN.

Originally posted by kevdude
Reed and Doom would have to have plunty of time for planning and having someone use the IG against these 2 to stand a chance.

Well, it only took the Fantastic Four ONE day to find the Ultimate Nullifier.

One day prep it is.

Spectre destroyed and recreated the multiverse in an instant, and it didn't destory the Anti-Monitor.. Your multiversal recreation feat doesn't prove anything in light of that in my mind.



Isn't those scans from Last Planet standing? I'm not sure that's canon at all.


But hey, how can Reed do any of this.. if he's dead?
Anti Monitor just opens a portal to his laboratory, just he did to many of DCU's biggest threats all at once, and starts there.

How can he bring out a big invention . . when a guy simply points at the Galaxy... and it's gone? The object is simply to defeat Earth here. Not a problem for a multiverse destroyer.

It's game over without PIS that events like that rely on.

but like Juntai said even Spectre who is undoubtedly more powerful than the UN couldn't even just erase him he's a multiversal being. he's absorbed countless universes. i doubt that Reed could do that. AM is probably more powerful than Abraxas cause it took for Spectre to destroy and recreate the multiverse, then Pre-Crisis Darkseids omega effect, and many other heroes to kill him. In that process many universe's died and u guys are saying one planet can defeat him.

Originally posted by Juntai
Spectre destroyed and recreated the multiverse in an instant, and it didn't destory the Anti-Monitor.. Your multiversal recreation feat doesn't prove anything in light of that in my mind.

I believe you, but what issue is that from, I'm going to read it myself, to see what your talking about.

Originally posted by Juntai
Isn't those scans from Last Planet standing? I'm not sure that's canon at all.

I never heard or read that.

Originally posted by Juntai
But hey, how can Reed do any of this.. if he's dead?
Anti Monitor just opens a portal to his laboratory, just he did to many of DCU's biggest threats all at once, and starts there.

Post-Molecule Man can destroy the Multi-verse...and we have him.

Insane Genis-Vell can rewrite the Universe...and we have him.

Wanda can collapse the Multi-verse,
Her tamperings breached causality and sent out the Chaos Wave that was folding ALL Realities in the Multi-verse and beyond....and we have her.

In Marvel Super Heroes:

Mad Jim Jaspers unleashed the Jaspers Warp, a wave of unreality that affects everything in continuity.
Merlyn (former Omni-versal Guardian) told Captain Britain, that Earth 616 Jaspers was an Omni-versal Threat....we have him

(The lesser powerful Earth 238 version of Jaspers was able to warp his entire Universe beyond recognition)


Finally we come back to Reed Richards.

Who can harness the Big Bang of a Universe and drop it on their heads. (literally)

Who has a Super Canon that can Knock Living Tribunal and the Abstracts away.
And if it's not canon, as you say.

With the Ultimate Nullifier he can ERASE and remake the Multi-verse on a whim.

Originally posted by Juntai
How can he bring out a big invention . . when a guy simply points at the Galaxy... and it's gone? The object is simply to defeat Earth here. Not a problem for a multiverse destroyer.

Quite a problem when their up against 4 Multi-versal destroyers, and one of them can re-write the Omni-verse. (Jim Jaspers)

Originally posted by Juntai
It's game over without PIS that events like that rely on.

Without PIS, it's a hell of a battle.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
but like Juntai said even Spectre who is undoubtedly more powerful than the UN

"Like Juntai said"?

I respect Jun, but who made him the guru of hypothetical vs threads?

Jun nor I, have any idea whether or not Spectre is above or below, the UN.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
couldn't even just erase him he's a multiversal being.

If he's just Multiversal he has NO chance against the UN...

Originally posted by Superherovandal
he's absorbed countless universes. i doubt that Reed could do that.

Reed didn't destroy countless Universes...Reed ERASED ALL Universes within the Multi-verse, and then Remade them ALL in an instant.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
AM is probably more powerful than Abraxas cause it took for Spectre to destroy and recreate the multiverse, then Pre-Crisis Darkseids omega effect, and many other heroes to kill him.

If Spectre remade the Multi-verse and it didn't stop AM, what good would heroes and Darkseid do?

That's where PIS slips in.

What your not understanding is that NO ONE can harm Abraxas in the entire Multi-verse.

Only the UN.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
In that process many universe's died and u guys are saying one planet can defeat him.

That's DC Earth's misfortune.

This is Marvel Earth your dealing with now.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I believe you, but what issue is that from, I'm going to read it myself, to see what your talking about.



I never heard or read that.



Post-Molecule Man can destroy the Multi-verse...and we have him.

Insane Genis-Vell can rewrite the Universe...and we have him.

Wanda can collapse the Multi-verse,
Her tamperings breached causality and sent out the Chaos Wave that was folding ALL Realities in the Multi-verse and beyond....and we have her.

In Marvel Super Heroes:

Mad Jim Jaspers unleashed the Jaspers Warp, a wave of unreality that affects everything in continuity.
Merlyn (former Omni-versal Guardian) told Captain Britain, that Earth 616 Jaspers was an Omni-versal Threat....we have him

(The lesser powerful Earth 238 version of Jaspers was able to warp his entire Universe beyond recognition)


Finally we come back to Reed Richards.

Who can harness the Big Bang of a Universe and drop it on their heads. (literally)

Who has a Super Canon that can Knock Living Tribunal and the Abstracts away.
And if it's not canon, as you say.

With the Ultimate Nullifier he can ERASE and remake the Multi-verse on a whim.



Quite a problem when their up against 4 Multi-versal destroyers, and one of them can re-write the Omni-verse. (Jim Jaspers)



Without PIS, it's a hell of a battle.
It's Crisis on Infinite Earths where Spectre shatters reality and puts it back together.


You sure do rely a lot on character claims. One moment you have another character identifying another as a possible 'omniversal threat', then come back to say claim he can re-write the omniverse?


It took Gods Divine Wrath to put a halt to the Anti-Monitor.
This isn't a being who tried to destroy the multiverse and failed.
This is a guy who tried and succeeded. He left a single universe.
Then tried to replace God, raising his hand in the energy at the dawn of creation to replace the hand that birthed creation.


You can talk about multiversal destruction and creation characters all you want, I'm sure he killed off many of them as he wiped creation. Fact is- he isn't a product of the Marvel's Multiverse, rewriting its history isn't going to save them, besides maybe putting it all back together after he blows it up.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Like Juntai said"?

I respect Jun, but who made him the guru of hypothetical vs threads?

Jun nor I, have any idea whether or not Spectre is above or below, the UN.



If he's just Multiversal he has NO chance against the UN...



Reed didn't destroy countless Universes...Reed ERASED ALL Universes within the Multi-verse, and then Remade them ALL in an instant.



If Spectre remade the Multi-verse and it didn't stop AM, what good would heroes and Darkseid do?

That's where PIS slips in.

What your not understanding is that NO ONE can harm Abraxas in the entire Multi-verse.

Only the UN.



That's DC Earth's misfortune.

This is Marvel Earth your dealing with now. Spectre's powersource is The Logoz, it is far beyond the UN.

The battle against Spectre depowered the anti-monitor to levels where he could actually be harmed by the heros and villains that went to destroy him, but he was still more powerful than most any other being in existance.

Originally posted by Juntai
Spectre's powersource is The Logoz, it is far beyond the UN.

Spectre and the Logoz have equal power?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Spectre and the Logoz have equal power? It's tough to explain... without going into far too much detail.
The Wrath is mankinds projections placed upon The Logoz, which is in turn bonded to a human host.

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Originally posted by Juntai
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putting them to good use.I just finished Scanning Volume 4 so If you need a specific part/Panel pm me.

Originally posted by Juntai
It's Crisis on Infinite Earths where Spectre shatters reality and puts it back together.

Thanks, I have every one, but never opened them.

By tomorrow I'll have the low down.

Originally posted by Juntai
You sure do rely a lot on character claims. One moment you have another character identifying another as a possible 'omniversal threat', then come back to say claim he can re-write the omniverse?

I think the Omniversal Guardian's claims can be taken seriously.

Merlyn said Jaspers was a threat to the Omni-verse.

Because his wave (the Jaspers Warp), was re-writiing EVERYTHING in continuity. (the Omni-verse), I'll bust the scans tomorrow friend.

Saturnyne's temporary replacement, Mandragon, destroyed the Earth-238 continuity, in order to save the Omni-verse.
Originally posted by Juntai
It took Gods Divine Wrath to put a halt to the Anti-Monitor.

I thought you said he had no effect on AM.

Originally posted by Juntai
This isn't a being who tried to destroy the multiverse and failed.

Neither would Reed

Neither would Wanda

Neither would Evil Molecule Man

Neither would Jim

Originally posted by Juntai
This is a guy who tried and succeeded.

So did my gang.

Except for Evil Molecule Man, who was begged by Kubik not to destroy the Multi-verse.

Originally posted by Juntai
He left a single universe.

Reed left none

Originally posted by Juntai
Then tried to replace God, raising his hand in the energy at the dawn of creation to replace the hand that birthed creation.

But he didn't.

What more "God" status you want, than recreating every Universe in creation. (UN)

Originally posted by Juntai
You can talk about multiversal destruction and creation characters all you want, I'm sure he killed off many of them as he wiped creation.

Are you speculating?

Show me or direct me to the proof of him killing Multiversal destroyers, and then you got something.

Originally posted by Juntai
Fact is- he isn't a product of the Marvel's Multiverse, rewriting its history isn't going to save them,

Neither was pre-retcon Beyonder, but Doom got the better of him.
There's always a way.

Originally posted by Juntai
besides maybe putting it all back together after he blows it up.

Same as the UN.

Were still in the same boat.

Originally posted by Juntai
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I have to start reading Spectre.

My thing is Marvel as you can tell.

By the way I'm not sure the Logoz and Spectre are exactly the same.
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9435/thespectrehf0.th.jpg
Seems to me the Logoz is somewhat of a next step in evolution for the Spectre.

I'm speculating ofcourse based on your scans.

Now do you have any showings of the Logoz's power?
Or issues it has appeared in, displaying feats.?

Or is it just theories and bios that define it like the Phoenix Force.

Cause If it's not on panel, it's inconsequential to me.

Originally posted by Mr Master Thanks, I have every one, but never opened them.

By tomorrow I'll have the low down.
Sweet. You'll also see how easily he defeated the old Guadians of the Universe. Each of was considered to be stronger than the OA Battery, which has been used for reality destruction and recreation. He killed most of the race.




What about Batman saying he would put down Spectre?
Or Energy Superman being the 'most powerful being in the omniverse'?
Spideryman saying Sentry can beat Galactus?
Character claims aren't all they're cracked up to be always.


The destruction and recreation of the multiverse? Didn't defeat him, there was still much left to be done, only now it was a more equal playing field. He could actually be defeated after this point.




When did Wanda actually succeed in destroying the multiverse?
I don't know enough about Jim to know if he did or not. But from the souds of it, he possibly could.
Also, as you admitted that Evil Molocule man didn't as well.



The ultimate nullifier destroyed and remade.



Why are you trying to compare the nullifier and god?


??? Read above about he smashed the Guardians of the Universe. For an example.



How is that even an applicable response to what I said? Recreating the Marvel Universe isn't helping the cause here. Rewriting the history of the MARVEL multiverse will not rid them of the anti-monitor, as he's not a product of that multiverse and his history is not imbedded in it. Hell, it didn't even work for the DC Multiverse to be recreated.




Eh . . If you say so.

Another tricky thing to deal with is that AntiMonitor can take other powers and add them to his own. He was draining characters from multiple universes of their power at once while he was trying to replace God. Some of them skyfathers on up.


And we still haven't even touched on Imperiex in the battle, really.

I will conceed that's its feasible for a win, I just don't see it as a very likely option without PIS involved. Anti-Monitor made sure to remove pretty much everything that give him or his plans problems from the playing feild in Crisis. I consider the same to be an option here. I see Reed and possibly the Nullifier falling under the Anti-Monitor's posesion and power.

Why couldn't Anti-moniter just control it's energies like Magus did?

True, The Spectre and The Logos are not actually the same Mr. Master. The Wrath is The Spectre. He is a fallen angel connected to The Logos. After the war in Heaven, The Spectre returned and asked God to forgive him. Archangel Michael at the gates asked him if he repented his sins against The Word(The Logoz) Gods psychical manifestation in Heaven. He is then taken to The Presence and has his memory erased and is remade into The Wrath of God. This is how the universe thinks or wants god to act like, and so God lets it happen. This of course is not true, he is The Word.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have to start reading Spectre.

My thing is Marvel as you can tell.

By the way I'm not sure the Logoz and Spectre are exactly the same.
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9435/thespectrehf0.th.jpg
Seems to me the Logoz is somewhat of a next step in evolution for the Spectre.

I'm speculating ofcourse based on your scans.

Now do you have any showings of the Logoz's power?
Or issues it has appeared in, displaying feats.?

Or is it just theories and bios that define it like the Phoenix Force.

Cause If it's not on panel, it's inconsequential to me. That scan is Hal seeing Spectre's true face beyond the census of reality seeing it as The Wrath.
As he says "IS this your true face" "As best you can percieve it"

Originally posted by kevdude
True, The Spectre and The Logos are not actually the same Mr. Master. The Wrath is The Spectre. He is a fallen angel connected to The Logos. After the war in Heaven, The Spectre returned and asked God to forgive him. Archangel Michael at the gates asked him if he repented his sins against The Word(The Logoz) Gods psychical manifestation in Heaven. He is then taken to The Presence and has his memory erased and is remade into The Wrath of God. This is how the universe thinks or wants god to act like, and so God lets it happen. This of course is not true, he is The Word. The scans are there this time, don't try to come in contradicting them again.

It identified itself as the true face of the Spectre.

I've already clarified everything.
And most of what you wrote there is wrong, but if you want educated, save it for another thread.

Originally posted by Juntai
The scans are there this time, don't try to come in contradicting them again.

It identified itself as the true face of the Spectre.

We have been through this before . If you read correctly The Veil was taken off (The Wrath) showing his true face. He is not a part of god but connected to something that is a part of GOD understand? How is it possible the Spectre goes looking for God when you think he is a part of him?? He is NOT! Common sense Juntai!

strange, doom, nate grey, and franklin richards set up a front line and reed puts the ultimate nullifier to the two pests. marvel takes it.

Originally posted by kevdude
We have been through this before . If you read correctly The Veil was taken off (The Wrath) showing his true face. He is not a part of god but connected to something that is a part of GOD understand? How is it possible the Spectre goes looking for God when you think he is a part of him?? He is NOT! Common sense Juntai!
just to correct you - the viel IS the Wrath. Beneath it is The Logoz, part of god.

"Not an demon at all... you're . .part of god itself."

Your interpretaion doesn't match the scans given.

Now like I said, save it for another thread.

There is a lot of good stuff in here, however I'm not completely sold on the UN.

Could the UN destroy the Beyonder (OG) since the Beyonder isn't of the Marvel multiverse?

If it can't, I doubt that it could do anything to the Anti-monitor considering it's outside it's outsides of existances boundaries.

Also, why not just blink Reed out of existence before he has a chance to use it? To these guys space and time are a joke.

Originally posted by BuzzKiller
strange, doom, nate grey, and franklin richards set up a front line and reed puts the ultimate nullifier to the two pests. marvel takes it. Antimonitor takes them all under his control, feeds their power to his own, and gains the UN.
He did it to far more powerful characters.

Exactly. Or take it from him, or any number of things.
I've already conceeded that a win is possible, I just don't see it as likely seeing as its just Earth.
Wheras it took 5 remaining universes banding together, with the help of multiversal forces, and the wrath of god itself to try to bring down the anti-monitor.

Well I'll let you think whatever you want Juntai. All anyone has to do is go to the respect Spectre thread. But about this topic Marvel Earth might win if Reeds and Doom do some quick thinking..

Originally posted by kevdude
Well I'll let you think whatever you want Juntai. All anyone has to do is go to the respect Spectre thread. But about this topic Marvel Earth might win if Reeds and Doom do some quick thinking.. The scans are on the last page. I showed them, and you directly tried to contradict them immediately. You don't have to 'let me think' anything. I'm only using exactly what is written on those scans as of Spectre volume 4 issue 4, a part of the issue I had specifically talked with Skeets about gathering the scans for, to squash claims like yours and for point of reference. Hal saw past the veil/The Wrath, and saw Spectre's true face.. the Logoz. It's there easily identifiable in the scan.

Anyways, Mr Master. I got my point across and said all I had to say for now, in some cases multiple times... I don't feel like trying to stress it across another 5 or more pages.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
There is a lot of good stuff in here, however I'm not completely sold on the UN.

Could the UN destroy the Beyonder (OG) since the Beyonder isn't of the Marvel multiverse?

If it can't, I doubt that it could do anything to the Anti-monitor considering it's outside it's outsides of existances boundaries.

Also, why not just blink Reed out of existence before he has a chance to use it? To these guys space and time are a joke. no, beyonder is too powerful, beyonder was above everything in the marvel universe.

Originally posted by Juntai
You'll also see how easily he defeated the old Guadians of the Universe. Each of was considered to be stronger than the OA Battery, which has been used for reality destruction and recreation. He killed most of the race.

Is it OA Battery that creates and destroys reality, or the Guardians?

The Mkraan Crystal can take out the Multi-verse, but Phoenix CAN"T, even though she lives within it..

Originally posted by Juntai
What about Batman saying he would put down Spectre?
Or Energy Superman being the 'most powerful being in the omniverse'?
Spideryman saying Sentry can beat Galactus?
Character claims aren't all they're cracked up to be always.

"Character claims"?

uhh Jun,

Jim WAS re-writing the Omni-verse, he would of succeeded to had it not been for Moondragon destroying Earth 238 (a Universe) to stop the Jaspers Warp from re-writing the everything, (as in Omni-verse)

hey you'l see the scans soon enough, I'm just not going to start chopping them up right now...

Originally posted by Juntai
The destruction and recreation of the multiverse? Didn't defeat him, there was still much left to be done, only now it was a more equal playing field. He could actually be defeated after this point.

So why wouldn't that same scenerio work in this battle?

Reed with the UN, remakes the Multi-verse.
Then Jim Jaspers, Evil Molecule Man, Wanda and Insane Genis-Vell along with every super hero and villian on earth, take over from there.

Originally posted by Juntai
When did Wanda actually succeed in destroying the multiverse?

She didn't destroy it completely, the breach in causality was sealed before the Multi-verse and everything beyond could collapse.

The Chaos Wave wiped out countless Universes though, like AM.

It begins by Wanda warping the 616 Reality
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Meggan saw the ultimate finality of the Chaos Wave, in a dream.
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This isn't some character making claims, one of her powers is to SEE occurrences taking place in the TimeStream.
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Here comes the beginning of the Chaos Wave
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"The Foundation and Structure of our existence, totally stripped away"
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Roma, the Multi-versal Guardian is swept away by the wave.
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"a trans-temporal Tsunami. originating from Earth 616" (where Wanda is)
It was "an alteration of global proportions that breached the walls of causality"
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But Wanda Warped 616 Universe entirely, and the effects on 616 Earth was catastrophic apparently.

If the breach is not sealed, "the Chaos Wave will continue to expand, perhaps to the Ascention itself" (beyond the Multi-verse)
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Roma threatens to erase the 616 Universe in 48 hours, if Captain Britain and company can't seal the breach
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note:
AT the end of nearly every crossover House of M was involved, a Universe was destroyed, courtesy of Wanda's Chaos Wave.

Originally posted by Juntai
I don't know enough about Jim to know if he did or not. But from the souds of it, he possibly could.

You'l see the scans soon.

Originally posted by Juntai
Also, as you admitted that Evil Molocule man didn't as well.

True.

But like I said, he didn't because Kubik begged him not to.

But when Evil Molecule Man and Post-retcon Beyonder battled, the Multi-verse was folding/collapsing.

I posted the scans eralier , did you see them?

Originally posted by Juntai
The ultimate nullifier destroyed and remade.

Yes, ALL the Universes in the Marvel Multi-verse, without leaving one...then it remade All the Universes just as quickly.

Originally posted by Juntai
Why are you trying to compare the nullifier and god?

I didn't.

I said:
Originally posted by Mr Master
What more "God" status you want, than recreating every Universe in creation. (UN)

Originally posted by Juntai
Read above about he smashed the Guardians of the Universe. For an example.

And my question still stands.

Do the Guardians, as Individuals have the power to destroy and create the Multi-verse?

Or is it the OA Battery?

Or do they do it through the OA Battery?

Originally posted by Juntai
How is that even an applicable response to what I said? Recreating the Marvel Universe isn't helping the cause here. Rewriting the history of the MARVEL multiverse will not rid them of the anti-monitor,

I wasn't responding to that.


Originally posted by Juntai
as he's not a product of that multiverse and his history is not imbedded in it.

This is what I responded to with said response.

Because he's not of our Multi-verse means nothing.

Once he enters our Multi-verse, Marvel Earth will be able to have an affect on him.

And I 'll say it again...Beyonder was NOT of our Multi-verse, but Doom figured out a way.

Originally posted by Juntai
Hell, it didn't even work for the DC Multiverse to be recreated.

But it did.

You said so yourself.
Originally posted by Juntai
The destruction and recreation of the multiverse? Didn't defeat him, there was still much left to be done, only now it was a more equal playing field. He could actually be defeated after this point.

We can play that game too.

"the Chaos Wave will continue to expand, perhaps to the Ascention itself" (beyond the Multi-verse):



--So were posting even a CHARACTERS SPECULATIONS as fact now?



And how could you have been responding to "as he's not a product of that multiverse and his history is not imbedded in it" when I didn't even say that until after your post, lol. And I certainly don't see how Doom outsmarting Beyonder is in any way applicable to the fact 616 Universe being re-written won't affect Anti-Monitor, because it's history isnt his history. Which is what that was about.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
There is a lot of good stuff in here, however I'm not completely sold on the UN.

But it's not the UN alone.


We have Jim Jaspers (Omniversal threat)

We have Scarlet Witch (Multi-versal and Beyond threat)

We have Evil Molecule Man (Multi-versal threat)

We have Reed's Big Bang Bomb (Universal destroyer)

We have Reed's Super Canon (temporarily banished Living Tribunal and the Cosmics)

We have Reed and the UN (Multiversal threat)

Insane Genis-Vell (Universal threat)

We have Jean Grey PF (Universal threat), and if she breaches the Lattice of the Mkraan Crystal, then your talking Multi-versal in scope, the Crystal's capability NOT the Jean.

And we have Dr Doom (with prep took the power of the writer) - (Beyonder)
ey, I think it's PIS too, but it happened.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Could the UN destroy the Beyonder (OG) since the Beyonder isn't of the Marvel multiverse?

Impossible.

UN has only been shown on panel to erase and remake one Multi-verse.

While Beyonder had the power of millions of Multiverses.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If it can't, I doubt that it could do anything to the Anti-monitor considering it's outside it's outsides of existances boundaries.

But once the AM enters Marvel Earth, he'll be able to affected like anything else in the Multi-verse.

Beyonder was from an outside existence, but he could still be affected while inside our Multi-verse.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Also, why not just blink Reed out of existence before he has a chance to use it? To these guys space and time are a joke.

I have more than a few characters that can warp space, time, matter and energy, on every scale imaginable.

My team is not going to stand around, and wait to be blinked away.

Originally posted by Juntai
"the Chaos Wave will continue to expand, perhaps to the Ascention itself" (beyond the Multi-verse):

--So were posting even a CHARACTERS SPECULATIONS as fact now?

That's Roma the Omniversal Guardian your talking about.

Wiping out a Universe is small potatos for her.

I will confidently except her wisdom and knowledge of events on that scale.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt,

Fine.

She speculated about it reaching beyond the boundaries of the Multi-verse.

I still think the writers included that statement for us to be able to gauge the Chaos Wave's power. (now I'm speculating)

Originally posted by Juntai
And how could you have been responding to "as he's not a product of that multiverse and his history is not imbedded in it" when I didn't even say that until after your post, lol.

The Pineal Gland/Third Eye, allows me to see the future.


Originally posted by Juntai
And I certainly don't see how Doom outsmarting Beyonder is in any way applicable

Doom outsmarting Beyonder shows how capable Marvel Earth is.

Originally posted by Juntai
to the fact 616 Universe being re-written won't affect Anti-Monitor, because it's history isnt his history. Which is what that was about.

But who says he HAS to be in it's history.

The UN does NOT only reboot the Multi-verse's history, it actually creates it, in the wielder's image.

So although AM or Imperiex are not part of our reality, Reed will use the UN to make a Multi-verse where he is a part of it.

Problem solved.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's Roma the Omniversal Guardian your talking about.

Wiping out a Universe is small potatos for her.

I will confidently except her wisdom and knowledge of events on that scale.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt,

Fine.

She speculated about it reaching beyond the boundaries of the Multi-verse.

I still think the writers included that statement for us to be able to gauge the Chaos Wave's power. (now I'm speculating)



The Pineal Gland/Third Eye, allows me to see the future.




Doom outsmarting Beyonder shows how capable Marvel Earth is.



But who says he HAS to be in it's history.

The UN does NOT only reboot the Multi-verse's history, it actually creates it, in the wielder's image.

So although AM or Imperiex are not part of our reality, reed will use the UN to make Multi-verse where he is a part of it.

Problem solved. Right, she said PERHAPS... her guess may have been as good as anyones, but she obviously didn't state fact. She assumed herself.


@ seeing future.






Let get this straight. . . . you're saying. . .Reed can make a character that's not even the same company or from the main multiverse of either, become part of his reality?

Got some proof of that one?

Originally posted by Juntai
Right, she said PERHAPS... her guess may have been as good as anyones, but she obviously didn't state fact. She assumed herself.

You know, now that you made me focus on what Roma said,
I just realized she's NOT talking about "beyond the Multi-verse" when she mentions 'the Ascension" like I thought.

There are several known Universes in Marvel outside the Multi-verse, so the "Ascension" can't simply be beyond the Multi-verse.
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9752/sc8bk1.th.jpg
She's referring to that which is outside/beyond the Omni-verse.


In other words, the Chaos Wave would indeed collapse the Marvel Omni-verse given the time.

Originally posted by Juntai
@ seeing future.

You must be laughing at Meggan seeing the Future of the Chaos Wave.

"the End of ALL that is, of ALL that will EVER be"
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/5707/sc2wb9.th.jpg
Thses are NOT just claims...they are visions of the Future, from one who's power is such...
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Originally posted by Juntai
Let get this straight. . . . you're saying. . .Reed can make a character that's not even the same company or from the main multiverse of either, become part of his reality?

Got some proof of that one?

So what are you saying?

That some character from an alien company can actually enter Earth 616?

If my peoples are not allowed to affect your team because their from seperate companies?

What's the point of this debate then?

We're assuming that they can both affect each other, that's the point of making vs threads that include characters from different companies.

AM is also a master of time...he can go back into the past and kill Reed Richards if he wanted to...or prevent him from finding the UN...if the UN would even work on AM. Pre-Crisis DC was so much more powerful than Marvel Earth...in terms of the numbers of beings with extraordinary powers. Today, Marvel has many characters with insane powers...but, they would not be enough to take out AM and IP at the same time. Marvel Earth would need help...just like DC needed it.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
AM is also a master of time...he can go back into the past and kill Reed Richards if he wanted to...or prevent him from finding the UN...if the UN would even work on AM. Pre-Crisis DC was so much more powerful than Marvel Earth...in terms of the numbers of beings with extraordinary powers. Today, Marvel has many characters with insane powers...but, they would not be enough to take out AM and IP at the same time. Marvel Earth would need help...just like DC needed it.

I have more than a few characters that can control Time on any scale, that would not be an issue.


We have Jim Jaspers (Omniversal threat)

We have Scarlet Witch (Omniversal threat and "perhaps beyond"

We have Evil Molecule Man (Multi-versal threat)

We have Reed's Big Bang Bomb (Universal destroyer)

We have Reed's Super Canon (temporarily banished Living Tribunal and the Cosmics)

We have Reed and the UN (Multiversal threat)

Insane Genis-Vell (Universal threat)

We have Jean Grey PF (Universal threat), and if she breaches the Lattice of the Mkraan Crystal, then your talking Multi-versal in scope, the Crystal's capability NOT the Jean.

And we have Dr Doom (with prep took the power of the writer) - (Beyonder)
ey, I think it's PIS too, but it happened.

Plus every hero and villian on Earth.

You do the math.

Originally posted by Juntai

Let get this straight. . . . you're saying. . .Reed can make a character that's not even the same company or from the main multiverse of either, become part of his reality?

Got some proof of that one?

Nope. It can't. But it still doesn't matter because that's not how the U.N. works and how forum rules work. If you have proof that the U.N. is limited to just MU, please provide proof Juntai. Let's not bring up which universe they are in since how would you know that the Anti-Monitor and Imperiex would operate the same way they do in the MU? The existence of the MU is not due in part to Imperiex.

Thirdly, this invasion in on MARVEL EARTH. Let's not bring up juridiction and such.

To the fight itself Marvel Earth would loose unless the higher abstracts intervened. They can't win unless guys like Strange, Doom, Reed, Stark, Quasar, and the top tiers have time to prep. for the fight. Even then they'd more likely get crushed.



The Anti-Monitor is not in the least comparable to the Beyonder. AM gained more power by absorbing and taking powers. Beyonder went about snapping his fingers and making things happen, raised and lowered people's powers, including his own. With Apokolips tech, Darkseid destroyed AM's physical body; with Eternity to power his Beyonder's bane, Mephisto still needed to use Beyonder's own power against Beyonder. Beyonder is leagues above AM, so I wouldn't be surprised the UN wouldn't work on him. Short of a retconning, Beyonder was top dawg.

Ironically Beyonder's existence called for a retconning. AM's existence was to instigate events that lead to a retconning.




Forums rules Avalonofthewind.

I haven't seen AM blink anyone out of existence yet. Imperiex as well. But there's no stopping them from vaporizing the entire planet with Reed and FF tower on it. But seriously? The UN would vaporize both Imperiex and AM. Considering it still Pre-Crisis heroes that was hurting AM, Dr. Light putting a whole into AM for the first kill, Darkseid destroying his body with just Apokolips tech, and PC Superman destroying the burning essence for the final kill, I don't see how that's anything that puts above the U.N.

AM and Imperiex 7-8-9/10.

Most of those characters could probably do nothing to AM if they happened to go back in time in an attempt to stop him. However, AM could a lot to them...i'm sure..lol

All of Marvel Earth would probably be busy with Imperiex Prime, giving AM a good opportunity to blast an anti-matter shockwave throughout the universe.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You know, now that you made me focus on what Roma said,
I just realized she's NOT talking about "beyond the Multi-verse" when she mentions 'the Ascension" like I thought.

There are several known Universes in Marvel outside the Multi-verse, so the "Ascension" can't simply be beyond the Multi-verse.
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9752/sc8bk1.th.jpg
She's referring to that which is outside/beyond the Omni-verse.


In other words, the Chaos Wave would indeed collapse the Marvel Omni-verse given the time.

No, she said it PERHAPS would. She obviously doesn't know, or it would have been a "WILL" do it.



What are you talking about?
I was laughing at you claiming to responded to a post that came at a later date, because you can see the future.

Did that future happen?

Guess she's another false visionary.

No, I'm saying I don't see how changing the history of Marvel Universe is going to change the history of someone merely impeding on the universe. Of course they can attack eachother.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, she said it PERHAPS would. She obviously doesn't know, or it would have been a "WILL" do it.

I understand that....understand this.

"the Chaos Wave will continue to expand, perhaps to the Ascention itself"

I corrected myself and clarified that

The Ascention, is Outside/Beyond the Omni-verse.

So the Chaos Wave will collapse the Omni-verse (every Universe Marvel has), and "perhaps the Ascention itself"...
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9752/sc8bk1.th.jpg
That's what she said.

Originally posted by Juntai
What are you talking about?
I was laughing at you claiming to responded to a post that came at a later date, because you can see the future.



Originally posted by Juntai
Did that future happen?
Guess she's another false visionary.

Uhh.. yea it did,
but they sealed the breach and stopped the Chaos Wave from consuming the Omni-verse.

Her vision was of what the Chaos Wave was capable of.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, I'm saying I don't see how changing the history of Marvel Universe is going to change the history of someone merely impeding on the universe. Of course they can attack eachother.

Cool.

So if they can attack each other AM loses the same way he lost in DC.

Reed will weaken him with the UN.

Then we have the team I posted before...



We have Jim Jaspers (Omniversal threat)

We have Scarlet Witch (Omniversal threat and "perhaps beyond"

We have Evil Molecule Man (Multi-versal threat)

Insane Genis-Vell (Universal threat)

We have Jean Grey PF (Universal threat),

We have Reed's Big Bang Bomb (Universal destroyer)
or his Super Canon that momentarily banished LT and some Cosmics

And we have Dr Doom (with prep took the power of the writers) - (pre-retcon Beyonder)


every god and demon of Earth

and every hero and villian on Earth

And I've already said my piece on all that. Nothing new.


And aren't several of those characters not existing currently and/or not currently at those levels?

seriously half of those characters have had their power retconned away.Dr Doom took the power of a fake omnipotent. Jean Grey is an abstract far away from Earth. Molecule man has been retconned away.Scarlet Witch is dead. the Super Cannon is in an alternate universe and therefore isn't even usable or canon and none of the others are close to as powerful as AM. plus all AM has to do is destroy imperiex and let the energy of him destroy MU whilst absorbing the remainder that is coming at him. that all he has to do. they wouldn't have time. Marvel Earth is powerful but they'd need someone of LT's power to defeat AM and Imperiex. and

Originally posted by Juntai
And I've already said my piece on all that. Nothing new.

Likewise.

Originally posted by Juntai
And aren't several of those characters not existing currently and/or not currently at those levels?

Didn't know the Anti-Monitor was still around.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Likewise.



Didn't know the Anti-Monitor was still around. He isn't. It's a hypethetical battle...it's not Anti-Monitor vs Marvel Earths all time greats. It's all considered current incarnations unless otherwise specified. It's pretty weak to fall back on "But I thought he wasn't around." in a hypothetical situation of him attacking current Marvel Earth, and you know it.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
seriously half of those characters have had their power retconned away.

Seriously, you need to read more comics.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Dr Doom took the power of a fake omnipotent.

Dr Doom took the power of the most powerful being ever created by Marvel.

Pre-retcon Beyonder.


To this day, EVEN AFTER being Retconned, his death would Collapse the Multi-verse.
"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1825/beyonderandmmbattleagain3mu7.th.jpg
That's Kubik talking about POST-Retcon Beyonder.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Jean Grey is an abstract far away from Earth.

hum

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Molecule man has been retconned away.

Into one of the most powerful beings in the Universe as passive Owen Reece.
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4217/mmlm0.th.jpg
This is still just the gentle side.
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7868/mm1yo1.th.jpg
"Ripping galaxies apart, bending the Laws of nature at Whim...That's easy stuff"


But if Owen Reece get's pissed, he becomes Evil Molecule Man, who destroy the Multi-verse.
Owen Reece (POST-Molecule Man)...becomes Evil Molecule Man
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/60/evilmmak8.th.jpg
http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/3382/evilmm2mu1.th.jpg

When Evil Molecule Man battled POST-Retcon Beyonder, they were collapsing the Multi-verse

"from the Quantum to the Trans-Multiversal, Reality trembles as the forces unleashed reverberate through out creation"
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5499/beyonderandmmbattleagainbp6.th.jpghttp://img90.imageshack.us/img90/999/beyonderandmmbattlesagain2rv5.th.jpg
Realize how ALL Reality is falling apart because of them, (both are POST-Retcon).
A WATCHER even goes blind in another Universe.

Kubik BEGS the Molecule Man to not allow the Post-Retcon Beyonder to die, which would bring forth the END of Reality
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7615/kubikexplains2jz4.th.jpg

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Scarlet Witch is dead.

So is Anti-Monitor.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
the Super Cannon is in an alternate universe and therefore isn't even usable or canon

"alternate universe"?

Please read the comic, then post.

Who said it isn't canon?

Originally posted by Superherovandal
and none of the others are close to as powerful as AM.

If you say so.

You left out my most powerful hitters,

Jim Jaspers, was able to warp the Omni-verse (Every Universe in Marvel)

After Reed weakens the AM with the Nullifier

Insane-Genis (can destroy or warp Universes)

Reed can continue to drop Universal Big Bang explosions on both their heads.

Doom (nuff said)

Every god and demon of Earth
and every hero and villian on Earth


There... no Jean or Super Canon.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Marvel Earth is powerful but they'd need someone of LT's power to defeat AM and Imperiex. and

And evidently MUCH more powerful than you ever knew.

Who's to say that AM can't just absorb the energy of Reed's cannon...making AM even stronger.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Who's to say that AM can't just absorb the energy of Reed's cannon...making AM even stronger. cough.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Who's to say that AM can't just absorb the energy of Reed's cannon...making AM even stronger.

Because that's exactly what Reed's Super Canon does.
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8238/reedsuper3yk7.th.jpg
It's specially designed for Cosmic beings...like AM.

It wouldn't affect all cosmic beings. It wouldn't affect TOAA, the Presence, pre-retconned Brothers, etc....it may or may not affect Anti-Monitor. In any event, AM would likely eliminate any threat such as the cannon before it actually gets used.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
It wouldn't affect all cosmic beings. It wouldn't affect TOAA, the Presence, pre-retconned Brothers, etc....it may or may not affect Anti-Monitor. In any event, AM would likely eliminate any threat such as the cannon before it actually gets used.

This isn't a battle between TOAA, the Presence, pre-retconned Brothers and Marvel Earth.

It's between AM and Marvel Earth.

But in any case you think it can't affect the big dogs?


Reed's super canon, created a feedback of cosmic proportions that blew back everyone into other Universes.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9347/reedsuper5le6.th.jpg

Living Tribunal...and 6 Cosmics were the ones getting blown away.
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1729/reedsuper6iq6.th.jpg

Scarlet witch isn't dead maybe powerless but not dead.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This isn't a battle between TOAA, the Presence, pre-retconned Brothers and Marvel Earth.

It's between AM and Marvel Earth.

But in any case you think it can't affect the big dogs?


Reed's super canon, created a feedback of cosmic proportions that blew back everyone into other Universes.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9347/reedsuper5le6.th.jpg

Living Tribunal...and 6 Cosmics were the ones getting blown away.
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1729/reedsuper6iq6.th.jpg did that kill them?

I think that is just bad writing....Reed, being just a human, could never create something to blow away near omnipotent beings. On a power scale...AM>>>>>Reed Richards. AM could destroy Marvel Earth before Reed Richards knew what was going on....or could even get up...get dressed...drive to where the cannon is...and fire it. By the time Reed even got there the battle would be over.

I don't recall Marvel Earth getting prep.

Out of curiousity, do you think that Reed's cannon could hurt TOAA or the Presence?

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
I think that is just bad writing....Reed, being just a human, could never create something to blow away near omnipotent beings.

If that's what your arguement is based on, this debate is dead.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Out of curiousity, do you think that Reed's cannon could hurt TOAA or the Presence?
No.

However, I will grant you this. If the cannon could knock back the Tribunal...it would knock back AM. AM would just come back from it though...it would only be a temporary nuisance.....and the AM wouldn't get blasted a second time. He would eliminate that cannon either by going back in time or staying at a distance and destroying it.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Out of curiousity, do you think that Reed's cannon could hurt TOAA or the Presence?

You will never see TOAA in action, I don't know about the Presence.

But no.

I sincerely doubt it would work on either of them.

TOAA & Presence >>>>>>>>Marvel Earth, Universe, Multiverse

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Out of curiousity, do you think that Reed's cannon could hurt TOAA or the Presence?

First he would have to know were to aim

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
However, I will grant you this. If the cannon could knock back the Tribunal...it would knock back AM. AM would just come back from it though...it would only be a temporary nuisance.....and the AM wouldn't get blasted a second time. He would eliminate that cannon either by going back in time or staying at a distance and destroying it.

I won't argue with that.

Remeber though I also Have Reed with the Ultimate Nullifier. (which can erase then re-create the Multi-verse in the blink of an eye.


or Reed can drop a bunch of Universal Big Bang Explosions on their heads:

Reed can harness the Big Bang of a Universe..and use it as a weapon
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/9524/reedmakesbigbang8ty.th.jpg
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/1517/reedmakesbigbang25ji.th.jpg
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/6476/reedmakesbigbang38sm.th.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7981/reedmakesbigbang43pu.th.jpg

What can I say...respect Reed Richards.



Post-retcon Molecule Man can also tear Reality apart.
"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1825/beyonderandmmbattleagain3mu7.th.jpg

Kubik begs POST-retcon Molecule Man, not to destroy the Multiverse, and save the life of Kosmos (Post-retcon Beyonder)
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7615/kubikexplains2jz4.th.jpg

The thing is....would they be able to utilize those powers against AM. I think AM could destroy the planet before Marvel Earth has a chance to get a plan formulated...or to realize what in the hell it is that is attacking them..lol. Imperiex drones would destroy many many Marvel heroes. I don't think Reed could stand up to a single one of those drones..just by himself. In any case....Reed would be between a rock and a hardplace....trying to survive against the imperiex probes...and setting up to fire the UN or cannon.

We have to realize how powerful Imperiex Prime is in this battle. He destroyed Doomsday with a single blast....effortlessly. Hulk, Wolverine, and most anyone else on Marvel Earth will be destroyed by that kind of blast also. How would the rest of Marvel Earth deal with Imperiex and how would they deal with a huge blast of anti-matter entering the earth's atmosphere...courtesy of AM.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
The thing is....would they be able to utilize those powers against AM. I think AM could destroy the planet before Marvel Earth has a chance to get a plan formulated...or to realize what in the hell it is that is attacking them..lol.

If comics worked that way, then every evil neo-omnipotent being or entity would destroy Earth and it's heroes.

In comics, the heroes always get a chance (prep)

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Imperiex drones would destroy many many Marvel heroes. I don't think Reed could stand up to a single one of those drones..just by himself.

Because you keep forgetting Reed is NOT alone.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
In any case....Reed would be between a rock and a hardplace....trying to survive against the imperiex probes...and setting up to fire the UN or cannon.

Good thing he's not alone, so he doesn't have to multi-task so much.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
We have to realize how powerful Imperiex Prime is in this battle. He destroyed Doomsday with a single blast....effortlessly.

Doomsday is a joke compare to the heavy hitters I'm throwing at you.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Hulk, Wolverine, and most anyone else on Marvel Earth will be destroyed by that kind of blast also.

Hulk, Wolverine, yes.

Most anyone else on Marvel Earth, no.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
How would the rest of Marvel Earth deal with Imperiex and how would they deal with a huge blast of anti-matter entering the earth's atmosphere...courtesy of AM.

Molecule Man (who can destory the Multi-verse) can shield us, and direct it back at AM.


Insane Genis-Vell can re-write Marvel Earth so that never happened.
Franklyn Richards can help out there.


While Jim Jaspers (nearly re-wrote the entire Omni-verse) handles Imperiex.


In the meantime Reed is busy dropping Universal Big Bang explosions on his head, or pressing the Nullifier button repeatedly,
shattering and reshaping the Multi-verse countless times over while AM and Imperiex are both in it.

This isn't a comic though.

Ok, that could happen. Let's say AM and Imperiex get the drop on Reed Richards though....they remove the UN and destroy the cannon. AM blasts and knocks out Molecule Man before he can put a shield up...these are all plausible scenarios. An anti-matter blast breaks through and hits the Earth. How does Marvel Earth react to that.

By the way...I'm not familiar with the uber powerful characters that you mentioned on Marvel Earth..except Molecule Man....i'm more of a DC fan..as you can tell..lol. However, if those characters can do as you mentioned...then it is possible that AM could be driven back....i'm not sure if the UN could eliminate him from the Source however.

You haven't mentioned much about the gods of Marvel Earth though...such as Odin and Zeus....also, Surter and Ymir. If Surter llit the twilight sword, do you think that would do any damage..to Imperiex? Let's put Atem in this as well...Gaea calls her son in to help battle this threat to Marvel Earth....how do you see Atum faring in the battle?

If this battle ever happened in comics...it would be in a multi-issue deal..lol...so, the UN wouldn't be used at the beginning of the fight..for dramatic purposes...lol.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Ok, that could happen. Let's say AM and Imperiex get the drop on Reed Richards though....they remove the UN and destroy the cannon. AM blasts and knocks out Molecule Man before he can put a shield up...these are all plausible scenarios. An anti-matter blast breaks through and hits the Earth. How does Marvel Earth react to that.

By the way...I'm not familiar with the uber powerful characters that you mentioned on Marvel Earth..except Molecule Man....i'm more of a DC fan..as you can tell..lol. However, if those characters can do as you mentioned...then it is possible that AM could be driven back....i'm not sure if the UN could eliminate him from the Source however.

You haven't mentioned much about the gods of Marvel Earth though...such as Odin and Zeus....also, Surter and Ymir. If Surter llit the twilight sword, do you think that would do any damage..to Imperiex? Let's put Atem in this as well...Gaea calls her son in to help battle this threat to Marvel Earth....how do you see Atum faring in the battle?

If this battle ever happened in comics...it would be in a multi-issue deal..lol...so, the UN wouldn't be used at the beginning of the fight..for dramatic purposes...lol. do you even know what a battle is?
there not going to get the drop on reed, because there not going to know what hes doing. they'll be fighting people like hulk and stuff and then out of nowhere boom.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Ok, that could happen. Let's say AM and Imperiex get the drop on Reed Richards though....they remove the UN and destroy the cannon. AM blasts and knocks out Molecule Man before he can put a shield up...these are all plausible scenarios. An anti-matter blast breaks through and hits the Earth. How does Marvel Earth react to that.

By the way...I'm not familiar with the uber powerful characters that you mentioned on Marvel Earth..except Molecule Man....i'm more of a DC fan..as you can tell..lol. However, if those characters can do as you mentioned...then it is possible that AM could be driven back....i'm not sure if the UN could eliminate him from the Source however.

You haven't mentioned much about the gods of Marvel Earth though...such as Odin and Zeus....also, Surter and Ymir. If Surter llit the twilight sword, do you think that would do any damage..to Imperiex? Let's put Atem in this as well...Gaea calls her son in to help battle this threat to Marvel Earth....how do you see Atum faring in the battle?

If this battle ever happened in comics...it would be in a multi-issue deal..lol...so, the UN wouldn't be used at the beginning of the fight..for dramatic purposes...lol. It's versus Earth characters. Odin and Zues and the others don't wander around on Earth.

Originally posted by Juntai
It's versus Earth characters. Odin and Zues and the others don't wander around on Earth.
They are Earth Characters.

Originally posted by bigbran
do you even know what a battle is?
there not going to get the drop on reed, because there not going to know what hes doing. they'll be fighting people like hulk and stuff and then out of nowhere boom. Its not just a random battle, its an invasion. Antimonitor covers the Earth in darkness, 90% of heros die in the first few moments to AMs shadows, and Imperiex Probes.
It's likely the F4 as high profile heros will be among this.

yes, a perfect battle involves strategy. You would not just invade another planet or whatever without having some kind of strategy...without knowing what your opponent's abilities are. If the AM and Imperiex invaded Marvel....they would know what their enemies are capable of. Come on..they are abstract class entities....their genious is well above human standards...they would know what marvel earth is capable of...and the weapons that the heroes and villains possess. They would have marvel earth well scouted.


And I'm sure AM and Imperiex would know exactly where Reed Richards is....even Odin and Zeus show some sings of omniscience...and this DC duo is above them...so, you do the math.

Originally posted by Juntai
Its not just a random battle, its an invasion. Antimonitor covers the Earth in darkness, 90% of heros die in the first few moments to AMs shadows, and Imperiex Probes.
It's likely the F4 as high profile heros will be among this.

So prep for the cosmic bad guys and survival for the heroes?

At least give the Earth forces some time to put up a strategy. Atleast 2 to 3 days. No prep = which Earth beings survive the longest. It's not really a fight then.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
So prep for the cosmic bad guys and survival for the heroes?

At least give the Earth forces some time to put up a strategy. Atleast 2 to 3 days. No prep = which Earth beings survive the longest. It's not really a fight then. I agree with it just being who survived longest in that situation, but I didn't make the thread/set the invasion scenario.


Even without Anti-Monitor's shadows and Imperiex probes will take out most of the higher profile heros and villains early. I doubt Reed would be making too much of an impact given the terms.

Ok...how about his scenario. The AM and Imperiex Prime surprise Marvel Earth in an attack. However, the DC duo does not want to destroy Marvel Earth....just enslave it. So, they eliminate all threatening weapons, such as UN and Reed's cannon....which will happen if AM and Imperiex had them scouted. Most of the population is allowed to run free....for they can do nothing anyway....but, the high powered threats are kept guarded by Imperiex Probes. Under enslavement....which would give Marvel Earth an unlimited amount of time to prep for a rebellion, could they come up with a way to rebel and drive the DC invaders away? The telepaths can communicate without being face to face...and the others can think of a way to destroy the imperiex probe guarding their cell.

In this scenario...I'll take away the advantage that AM and Imperiex Prime would probably have of knowing when an Imperiex Probe is destroyed....seeing that both of them probably have some form of omniscience. But, the time limit of destroying the probe and Imperiex and AM being alerted of its destruction is 12 hours. So, in essence...you can have weeks or years of prep time before the escape....and 12 hours to implement the plan after escape....could it be done?

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
the DC duo does not want to destroy Marvel Earth....just enslave it. So, they eliminate all threatening weapons, such as UN and Reed's cannon....which will happen if AM and Imperiex had them scouted.

Only the Watcher knows exactly where the UN is.

And the 3 alternate versions of the Human Torch from seperate Universes, each having a piece of the location in their memories.

Cosmic awareness isn't going to help you find it either
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5130/unlocaloe5.th.jpg
Neither is trying to force the directions out of Johnny.

The Super Canon on the other hand, I suppose they could find it.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Most of the population is allowed to run free....for they can do nothing anyway....but, the high powered threats are kept guarded by Imperiex Probes. Under enslavement....

The Imperiex Probes can destroy Galaxies.
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7868/mm1yo1.th.jpg
"Ripping galaxies apart, bending the Laws of nature at Whim...That's easy stuff"

And this is the weak version, Evil Molecule Man is unimaginably more powerful than Owen Reece.

Yet Owen Reece is:
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4217/mmlm0.th.jpg
One of the Most powerful beings in the Universe.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
which would give Marvel Earth an unlimited amount of time to prep for a rebellion, could they come up with a way to rebel and drive the DC invaders away? The telepaths can communicate without being face to face...

If you give Doom and Reed "unlimited prep"...it would be too easy for Earth.

We only need ONE day.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
and the others can think of a way to destroy the imperiex probe guarding their cell.

I got members on my team that can re-arrange the Universe. (Insane Genis-Vell), (crazy Wanda), (Mkraan Crystal, if the Lattice is breached by Jean)

To name a few.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
I'll take away the advantage that AM and Imperiex Prime would probably have of knowing when an Imperiex Probe is destroyed....

The power of those Probes is Galactic in scale.

They will be blinked out of existence

Jim, Owen, Genis or Wanda, heck even the Phoenix Force can toast those Probes.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
But, the time limit of destroying the probe and Imperiex and AM being alerted of its destruction is 12 hours.

The Probes will be vanquised with little to no effort.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
So, in essence...you can have weeks or years of prep time before the escape....and 12 hours to implement the plan after escape....could it be done?

One day prep,
and Reed and company can find the UN, just like they did during the Abraxas arc.

After it's used, the rest of my team plus Marvel Earth heroes villians will take over from there.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
You have every Marvel earthbound hero and villain...hell, even through in all the Heralds.

So you have all Earthbound hero and villains... and all heralds..

So um... I have the answer.
Heralds. Offhand. Redshift, Terrax, Morg, Surfer, Superman, Thor, Airwalker, Nova, Invisible Man, Firelord....

All earthbound hero's and villains. Well back in the 20th century, the United States and Russia began a space race... where we began to go up into orbit. Now even the simplest human can fly into space, as denoted by the Blackbird and Quinjet. So no humans or mutants are earthbound anymore.. they choose to be on earth... but they are no longer forced to be there. IE. The Hulk being catapulted through space to planet Hulk.

When Imperiex and Antimonitor get to earth they find it completely evacuated except for the Heralds of Galactus.

The big 2 win!

Remember if you're "strong" you can probably levitate or fly, hence, you're not earthbound. Earth dies. Yayyyyyy.

lol..you know what i meant...i should have used a different term other than earthbound.

Is everyone crazy? These 2 stand no chance, at all!
Squirrel Girl nuff said.

Fear that wisdom that is bigbranflakes!!!!

bump

No prep for Marvel Earth means its pretty much the Watcher and Tiamut against Imperiex and AM. Imperiex may prove to be a nut too hard to crack for the Celestial, and I think the team up triumph him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Reed Richards presses one button on the Ultimate Nullifier.

Erases Anti-Monitor & Imperiex from existence.

This is no contest.

really what else needs to be said?

Marvel earth is screwed. AM also had a UN type effect as well.

Originally posted by cloud102
Marvel earth is screwed. AM also had a UN type effect as well.

As did Imperiex Prime, he's the Big Bang embodied in a single entity, if anyone breaches his armor, energies to wipe out a multiverse would be released.

Marvel Earth gets shit stomped.

Marvel Earth Stomps because anything DCU does MU can do far better

But seriously UN is not what you guys think it is.... Allankels and cloud. Anyway im tired of this..

People should understand that Spectre did destroy and recreate everything, but it couldn't kill AM. People also should know that Spectre was being powered by "God". In fact characters like PC Superman couldn't even hurt him.

People should also realize that this isn't a prep time. It's an automatic attack. I doubt that anyone on earth will have time to say..lets get the UN and make a good plan. Imperiex and AM have millions of soldier all powerful as Superman(Close). That will keep soo many characters busy.

In addition, AM does have power to absorb energies around him. Finally he can destroy the earth in like a second and no one can stop him. However, people won't like that ending so he can just go back in time and kill them all.

The Un wouldn't work on AM and/or Imperiex

whoever thinks is may have his opinion, it's neither true nor wrong.

COIE AM >= Spectre (fullpower?) who in turn is = LT, is the UN > LT? And Imperiex is the end, but the end is also the new beginning.

They aren't from Marvel reality, they are beyond it .


Oh yes, I forgot, Spite

It's like LT vs DC earth XD

Originally posted by Southern_Rebel
A lot of threads recently want to send Marvel to take over the DC earth. If Anti-Monitor and Imperiex Prime joined forces and invaded Marvel Earth...who would win?

You have every Marvel earthbound hero and villain...hell, even through in all the Heralds.


Imperiex was only a weak Galactus ripoff who got buttwhooped by Superman. He won't even matter here. I mean, he was created for no other purpose than jobbing to Superman. I just can't take this guy seriously. And the AM was only able to destroy universes because of his machinery, when he didn't have it he got killed by Superman (admittedly it was from back when he could move planets, but some of Marvel's stronger heroes put together can win this. Going on some showings, some Marvel characters can move planets). Doctor Doom, Mister Fantastic and some other guys get together and shut off the AM's machinery or blow it up and then Marvel's heroes have their way with the Anus Monitor's cornhole. The Juggernaut beats Imperiex with both hands behind his back, lol.

Superman got punked by the AM in h2h combat you fail at your miserable attempt at low balling feats