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The X-men: Cyclops, Havok, Dazzler, Bishop, Storm, Iceman, Colossus, Juggernaut (current level), Polaris, Northstar, Emma and Rachel. How far do they go?

Level 1:
Fantastic Four

Level 2:
Dr. Doom

Level 3:
The Hulk

Level 4:
Super-Man

Level 5:
X-man

Level 6:
Mr. Sinister

Level 7:
Dr. Strange

Level 8:
The Silver Surfer

Level 9:
Black Bolt

Level 10:
Full-powered Galactus

about level 5.

Do FF or Doom get prep?

If so they stop at 1.

Without prep, they stop at 2.

The only threat to Doom is iceman and I doubt he can hurt Doom due to his armor's magic

Do you really think that 12 X-men, including two Omegas and 2 telepaths, can't beat FF? I honestly doubt it.

Originally posted by Omega-level
Do you really think that 12 X-men, including two Omegas and 2 telepaths, can't beat FF? I honestly doubt it.

With prep, Reed has beaten tougher

Even without prep, the X-men have no chance against Doom

Originally posted by Grimm22
With prep, Reed has beaten tougher

Even without prep, the X-men have no chance against Doom Prep is cheap.......... how far do we go? ........... we can say with prep he beats LT..........

Originally posted by kgkg
Prep is cheap.......... how far do we go? ........... we can say with prep he beats LT..........

How is prep cheap?!?

Reed is the smartest guy in comics (next to Doom), his real power is his mind.

no grimm22, Reed is the smartest HUMAN, there are non-reality warpers from other planets way smarter.

Prep in terms of people like Batman, Reed and Doom = Plot Device which = Cheap win....

I'd say they get past 3....and stop there.....because everyone gets speedblitzed...and I'm not sure but T-vo could probably stop Iceman....

Who cares if reed has prep rachel or emma will fry his mind

They get to four... once superman blitzes the telepaths the match is effectively over...

superman doesn't know that which members of the team are telpatist since he desn't met them

Basic information on everyone's powers, Juggernaut6666

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
superman doesn't know that which members of the team are telpatist since he desn't met them


Doesn't matter though Rachel's slow.

He'll take out all of them becuase of that.

stop at strange i think

edit wait a sec they stop at supes, how'd i miss that?

Originally posted by Grimm22
How is prep cheap?!?

You can't be serious with this question.

They stop at 4 most likely and at 5 for sure, and their only chance at 4 is Emma or Rachel.

Eh? did someone say the team gets speedblitzed after three? how is Super-Man, X-man and Mr. Sinister can do that?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Eh? did someone say the team gets speedblitzed after three? how is Super-Man, X-man and Mr. Sinister can do that?

I did but didn't explain it properly...Superman will speedblitz the ones who don't have super reactions...BFR the Weakened Juggs and then take out Northstar...

How's that?

Whoa.... no I read it wrong the way it was hifinated I thought it was Spider-Man not Superman. Superman speedblitzes them with ease

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Whoa.... no I read it wrong the way it was hifinated I thought it was Spider-Man not Superman. Superman speedblitzes them with ease

Cool, there's one more thing though, I remember there being a whole 23 pages on IceMan vs SuperMan. Would T-Vo work on him?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Cool, there's one more thing though, I remember there being a whole 23 pages on IceMan vs SuperMan. Would T-Vo work on him?
Probably. Nobody beats Superman. Nobody.

Originally posted by Validus
Probably. Nobody beats Superman. Nobody.

Cool, and thanks, I'll stick with my first post then...

Originally posted by Validus
Probably. Nobody beats Superman. Nobody. and obviously you don't know iceman. he's just as ridiculously powerful as the S man himself.

Originally posted by Whittdawg92
and obviously you don't know iceman. he's just as ridiculously powerful as the S man himself.

he never uses his (ridiculous) powers to full potential so they stop at Supes IMO

Originally posted by Whittdawg92
and obviously you don't know iceman. he's just as ridiculously powerful as the S man himself.
Iceman doesn't wield the Power Editorial though, now does he?

Originally posted by Validus
Iceman doesn't wield the Power Editorial though, now does he?

Point, set, match...Validus

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Point, set, match...Validus

Originally posted by Validus
Probably. Nobody beats Superman. Nobody.

Originally posted by Validus
Iceman doesn't wield the Power Editorial though, now does he? touche.

Oh please, Iceman on a good day can't take down superman... all he can do is postpone his death by reforming everytime Superman shatters him...

What if he reformes inside Supes using Supes fluid.. dont think it would work do but its a try

Originally posted by Grimm22
Even without prep, the X-men have no chance against Doom

They come to a screeching halt at Superman.

Originally posted by Rols
What if he reformes inside Supes using Supes fluid.. dont think it would work do but its a try

Every cell in Superman's body is protected by an energy field... if he didnt have that field then sure, iceman could take him...

Originally posted by Validus
Probably. Nobody beats Superman. Nobody.


r.o.f.l


but honestly, it probably ends at superman, and definately ends at dr strange

Originally posted by pr1983
Every cell in Superman's body is protected by an energy field... if he didnt have that field then sure, iceman could take him...

Thats a new one,I though his body emits it not the cells, it does make since dough.. But that should'nt matter since Icemans consciousness controls his reformation and Supes has been affected by mind tampering which means Bobby's consciousness could go over the protective energy field but i dont know how the solar energy in Supes cell would affect Bobby reformation dough.. Ahh thinking to much..

Originally posted by Rols
Thats a new one,I though his body emits it not the cells, it does make since dough.. But that should'nt matter since Icemans consciousness controls his reformation and Supes has been affected by mind tampering which means Bobby's consciousness could go over the protective energy field but i dont know how the solar energy in Supes cell would affect Bobby reformation dough.. Ahh thinking to much..

Then it would come down to the force of iceman's body expanding versus the strength of superman's innards... imo superman'd be too strong...

Originally posted by pr1983
Then it would come down to the force of iceman's body expanding versus the strength of superman's innards... imo superman'd be too strong...

You think Supes could die with that kind of damage inside him? He would be in a lot of pain dough.. I for 1 thinks it would certainly knock him out, which makes it a win for the X-men..

Originally posted by Rols
You think Supes could die with that kind of damage inside him? He would be in a lot of pain dough.. I for 1 thinks it would certainly knock him out, which makes it a win for the X-men..

Superman has taken worse without being KO'd.

Originally posted by Rols
You think Supes could die with that kind of damage inside him? He would be in a lot of pain dough.. I for 1 thinks it would certainly knock him out, which makes it a win for the X-men..



Originally posted by batdude123
Superman has taken worse without being KO'd.

Whats worse than having your hole enards not to mention nerve pain receptors frozen, i mean there is another person reformin inside him using his own fluids, he would have no fluids whatsoever in his body, no blood, i dont think he would be even conscious.

Originally posted by Rols
Whats worse than having your hole enards not to mention nerve pain receptors frozen, i mean there is another person reformin inside him using his own fluids, he would have no fluids whatsoever in his body, no blood, i dont think he would be even conscious.

Believe me, you DON'T want to get into the argument of how much Superman can take without being KO'd. Avalon will whip out dozens of scans to demonstrate that point.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Who cares if reed has prep rachel or emma will fry his mind

Yeah because Reed cant posssibly build a machine to protect him from telepathy or anything like that

Prep is not a plot device

Thats sore loser talk

Ive read most of Supes best fight, and i know what kind of punishment he has taken but ive got nothing to compare him takin this kind of injuries, being affected inside him.. I dont even know how Iceman is going to get inside him but if he somehow manage to do it. How is Supes going to function without any presence of fluid in his body (blood and the likes)

Originally posted by xmarksthespot


The telepaths arent doing crap to Doom

Not one of them is going to touch Doom, because of his force field.

And Doom beats Iceman with magic

Right....

Originally posted by batdude123
Believe me, you DON'T want to get into the argument of how much Superman can take without being KO'd. Avalon will whip out dozens of scans to demonstrate that point.

I just need one.

"By force of will he pushes back the sharp fanged things that come to gnaw at his vitals."

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4075/actioncomics58509li1.th.jpg

Besides, Supes has taken worse than anything Iceman can dish out.

And proof in point.


http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/4610/jla07838fc.th.jpg



http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/5554/jla07841cb.th.jpg

And he's back together again. One of Supes more....interesting feats...

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/6550/jla07850rs.th.jpg

Question: Why is Doom so low on the list?

Considering he should be above or below Dr. Strange

Originally posted by Grimm22
Question: Why is Doom so low on the list?

Considering he should be above or below Dr. Strange

Against that team of x-men? with no prep?

Potatos

Originally posted by pr1983
Against that team of x-men? with no prep?

He still is a HELL of a lot more of a challange than the Hulk is

That and he beats them

Will were actually talking about real Pain here, someone actually doing real damage inside him, i mean nobody has attack him internally not that i know off. Ie i mean if all fluids in his body is gone, i dont see how he could function..

Originally posted by Grimm22
He still is a HELL of a lot more of a challange than the Hulk is

That and he beats them

Ok...

Originally posted by Rols
Will were actually talking about real Pain here, someone actually doing real damage inside him, i mean nobody has attack him internally not that i know off. Ie i mean if all fluids in his body is gone, i dont see how he could function..

Why would superman's interior be any weaker than his exterior?

Originally posted by pr1983
Ok...

Magneto > X-men

Doom >>> Magneto

Originally posted by Grimm22
Magneto > X-men

Doom >>> Magneto

The X-Men have beaten magneto before, with a smaller team...

Originally posted by pr1983
The X-Men have beaten magneto before, with a smaller team...

True. However that dosent dismiss the fact that Doom treats Mags like his bitc* even without prep

The X-men have no chance against Doom. His regular armor and magic are more than enougth to take down this team

Originally posted by Grimm22
True. However that dosent dismiss the fact that Doom treats Mags like his bitc* even without prep

explain to me how... i'm genuinely curious...



So you're basically saying he'll take down a team consisting of...



by himself? Even if they work as a coordinated force?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I just need one.

"By force of will he pushes back the sharp fanged things that come to gnaw at his vitals."

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4075/actioncomics58509li1.th.jpg

Besides, Supes has taken worse than anything Iceman can dish out.

And proof in point.


http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/4610/jla07838fc.th.jpg



http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/5554/jla07841cb.th.jpg

And he's back together again. One of Supes more....interesting feats...

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/6550/jla07850rs.th.jpg

What Jla issue is that? That didnt look like it hurt at all , how was he even alive after being cut to pieces. Still diff. Supes would'nt be able to function without fluids and inside being frozen?

Originally posted by pr1983
explain to me how... i'm genuinely curious...



So you're basically saying he'll take down a team consisting of...



by himself? Even if they work as a coordinated force?

Originally posted by pr1983
explain to me how... i'm genuinely curious...



So you're basically saying he'll take down a team consisting of...



by himself? Even if they work as a coordinated force?

Yep

As I said before, not one of them is going to pierce his sheilds also, the telepaths are useless here, because Doom's armor makes him immune to telepathy.

As I said before, the only threat to Doom is iceman who he defeats using Magic and Iceman shouldnt be able to breach Doom's Armor or Force Field

Originally posted by Grimm22
Yep

As I said before, not one of them is going to pierce his sheilds also, the telepaths are useless here, because Doom's armor makes him immune to telepathy.

As I said before, the only threat to Doom is iceman who he defeats using Magic and Iceman shouldnt be able to breach Doom's Armor or Force Field

What has Doom's regular armour withstood?

Originally posted by pr1983
What has Doom's regular armour withstood?

Taken part of a blast that KO'ed Galactus

(Blast from the Beyonder)

So yeah...

N'uff Said

Originally posted by Grimm22
Taken part of a blast that KO'ed Galactus

(Blast from the Beyonder)

So yeah...

N'uff Said

Part of a blast?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Taken part of a blast that KO'ed Galactus

(Blast from the Beyonder)

So yeah...

N'uff Said

Tell me how Magneto is Doom's b*tch. Really, I'd seriously like to know.

Originally posted by pr1983
Part of a blast? I think he's referring to Secret Wars I but not entirely sure.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I think he's referring to Secret Wars I but not entirely sure.

the thing i don't get is...

how do the f4 beat doom if this x-team, to me, would beat the f4...

Originally posted by pr1983
the thing i don't get is...

how do the f4 beat doom if this x-team, to me, would beat the f4...

There's no point in arguing about Doom against Grimm. He thinks Doom should be above DR. STRANGE on the list. So just let him go on thinking his delusional thoughts about him.

Originally posted by pr1983
the thing i don't get is...

how do the f4 beat doom if this x-team, to me, would beat the f4... It would.

In Secret Wars I there's no indication that Doom's forcefield actually takes any of the Beyonder's direct power. Nothing directly impacts upon it. The backlash from the attack on Galactus knocks him back.

Originally posted by batdude123
There's no point in arguing about Doom against Grimm. He thinks Doom should be above DR. STRANGE on the list. So just let him go on thinking his delusional thoughts about him.



now, now, play nice...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It would.

In Secret Wars I there's no indication that Doom's forcefield actually takes any of the Beyonder's direct power. Nothing directly impacts upon it. The backlash from the attack on Galactus knocks him back.

ah, ok... and yes, they would, i agree... easily too, i dare say...

Originally posted by Rols
What Jla issue is that? That didnt look like it hurt at all , how was he even alive after being cut to pieces. Still diff. Supes would'nt be able to function without fluids and inside being frozen?

They wouldn't freeze. His invulnerability applies to his form as a whole.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Prep is not a plot device

Thats sore loser talk

Tell me you're joking....prep in terms of Doom, Reed, Forge etc was, is and will always be a plot device...

BTW Squirrel Girl >>> Then Reed, Doom and Thanos with Prep take that...

Well she's officially better then Thanos with Prep....but that's because her Jobber Aura > Prep....

Doom's armor also withstood a blast from Thanos.. WHO HAD THE IG!

Then why does he lose to the FF? This team of X-Men should arguably easily beat the FF...