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Don't think this has been done before. Sentry removed, because.
Youth and numbers vs age and experience. Standard rules. Fighting in an empty cityscape.

New Avengers
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/New_avengers_sketch.jpg/225px-New_avengers_sketch.jpg
Captain America
Iron Man
Luke Cage
Ronin
Spider-Man
Spider-Woman
Wolverine

New Mutants
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Newx-men20.jpg/180px-Newx-men20.jpg
Hellion
Surge
Dust
Mercury
Rockslide
X23
Prodigy
Elixir
Wind Dancer
Wallflower
Icarus
Wither

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mutants - info on the New Mutants powers.

experance and teamwork beats power and youth.

new avengers win

New Mutants should win,too bad you took Sentry out and not Cap...ermm
Cap gets the new Avengers the win every time.

Sentry bores me to no end. Power of a million exploding suns. Meh.

New Avengers

Avengers have this, easily. The mutants get their asses handed to them by Colossus.

Hmm... but the only one of any real threat to them is Iron Man...

That being said he'd be very hard to overcome...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm... but the only one of any real threat to them is Iron Man...

That being said he'd be very hard to overcome... If you just look at power sets, then sure, they've got what it takes to beat the Avengers. but these are a bunch of extremely in-experienced kids going up against earths mightiest heroes.

They simply don't stand a chance IMO.

The Avengers were the earth's mightiest, when they had the likes of Thor, Wonder Man, Scarlet Witch. But now they're predominantly street levellers/low level superhumans + Iron Man (and Sentry). Highly experienced street levellers/low level superhumans albeit.

Without Iron Man, Dust alone could probably kill most if not all of them.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The Avengers were the earth's mightiest, when they had the likes of Thor, Wonder Man, Scarlet Witch. But now they're predominantly street levellers/low level superhumans + Iron Man (and Sentry). Highly experienced street levellers/low level superhumans albeit. Well yeah. But they're still a solid team, that works well together. And they have an immense amount of experience between them, which IMO counts for alot. People don't realise the importance of experience.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Without Iron Man, Dust alone could probably kill most if not all of them. So, are they all bloodlusted? Unless stated otherwise, i try to imagine that the characters are actually fighting like they would in a comic. Dust wouldn't just try and kill them. (though Iron Man could trap her in a force field)

With team versus I tend to do the same.. within reason.

Dust has killed before. Wither too. Elixir as well. X23 plenty. Strangely enough the kids have killed quite a bit .

The NA would probably win a reasonably large majority... but IMO the clincher is purely current Iron Man...

So, new game, two scenarios:
1. Regular Iron Man
2. Post-Extremis

New Avengers win (why do you hate Sentry?)

Hmm, well the NA are all dead for the most part due to Dust.

However, IM (current and pre-extremix) could probobly do this on his own

Originally posted by Broly92
New Avengers win (why do you hate Sentry?) I don't hate him... but I find him uninteresting. Besides if I did, give me a good reason not to?

Originally posted by Broly92
New Avengers win (why do you hate Sentry?)

Sentry is basicly just a copout from Marvel which blandly states that Sentry is Marvel's Superman, while more or less, Iron Man has more than proven himself to be Marvel's Superman.

Iron Man is Marvel's what?

Experience wins this one.

The New Avengers take this.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Iron Man has more than proven himself to be Marvel's Superman.

new avengers

Originally posted by Grimm22
Iron Man has more than proven himself to be Marvel's Superman.

Originally posted by H. S. 6


Ok fine

Thor is

Originally posted by Grimm22
Ok fine

Thor is

Hey, I wasn't the only one that was caught off-guard by that.

im really into this hole civil war at the moment

what could dust do to Cage ? someone whos skin is as hard a Iron Man's armor.

Enter his naval cavity and shred his lungs to pieces?

Just as long as X-23 dies I don't care who wins

Originally posted by Draco69
Enter his naval cavity and shred his lungs to pieces?

Thats kind of a stretch, she hasnt shown that much control over her powers.

With Ironman in the battle there is no contest. If you take him out I still think the new Avengers win, Spider-man can just cover Dust with webbing which takes her out of the battle pretty quick. And the rest of the New Avengers can take out the rest of New Mutants H2H with little problems. Hellion probably is the biggest threat, but after his teammates get taken out he will go down right after.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Thats kind of a stretch, she hasnt shown that much control over her powers.

With Ironman in the battle there is no contest. If you take him out I still think the new Avengers win, Spider-man can just cover Dust with webbing which takes her out of the battle pretty quick. And the rest of the New Avengers can take out the rest of New Mutants H2H with little problems. Hellion probably is the biggest threat, but after his teammates get taken out he will go down right after.

How do you figure that Hellion's TK is overcome so easily?

New Avengers wuld take this...but I'd want to c The Thing fight Rockslide, that wuld be cool.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Thats kind of a stretch, she hasnt shown that much control over her powers.

With Ironman in the battle there is no contest. If you take him out I still think the new Avengers win, Spider-man can just cover Dust with webbing which takes her out of the battle pretty quick. And the rest of the New Avengers can take out the rest of New Mutants H2H with little problems. Hellion probably is the biggest threat, but after his teammates get taken out he will go down right after. Spider-Man's going to web up a sentient sandstorm...

I think the NA win, but IM is basically the only real threat. If he was taken out the NA die.

Dust can easily shred most of them to the bone in seconds. Prodigy will technically have the skills and knowledge of all the New Avengers combined. None of them except Iron Man can even hurt Mercury. And the street level/low level superhumans would never get near the NM if Wind Dancer and Hellion didn't want them to.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Spider-Man's going to web up a sentient sandstorm...

You overate her abilities, Wind Dancer blew her away like she was nothing, if she can do that im sure Spiderman can web her up.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
How do you figure that Hellion's TK is overcome so easily?

I think he is the biggest threat, but I think most of the New Avengers will tear through most of the New Mutants then gang up on Hellion.

Wind Dancer having the ability to control the air and manipulating a sentient sandstorm vs Spider-Man webs up a sentient sandstorm... ok...

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
New Avengers wuld take this...but I'd want to c The Thing fight Rockslide, that wuld be cool.

As cool as Rockslide is, he stands as much of a chance against Ben as he does against Colossus.

Heck, Ben could probobly take the team down by himself like Colossus did.

Not this team. Wither touches Thing and he dies.

The Colossus fight was really to show they were ineffective when they don't work together, but on the forums everybody's supposed to be to the best of their abilities. And I don't see how making Dust a bit wet is supposed to down her .

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not this team. Wither touches Thing and he dies.

The Colossus fight was really to show they were ineffective when they don't work together, but on the forums everybody's supposed to be to the best of their abilities. And I don't see how making Dust a bit wet is supposed to down her .

Wither's touch wouldn't do anything to Ben

Ben's outer skin prevents him feeling most contact

He's organic. He dies.

Wither can't even wear cotton. It withers.

ok NA take this, experince alone taks it, plus you guys are leaving out imortant things, cap may not be able to enter nasal cavaitys, but is one heck of a leader who does eveything he can to win he has lead many avenger teams to multiple winsm IM is great but not always a clincher, plus everyone listed on the NA side are super experenced and value leadership

Originally posted by thedude1948
I think he is the biggest threat, but I think most of the New Avengers will tear through most of the New Mutants then gang up on Hellion.

Again. Even ganged up on him, how are they overcoming Hellion's TK?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wither's touch wouldn't do anything to Ben

Ben's outer skin prevents him feeling most contact

It would. Being organic the way he is, he'd die.

Bump.

Editing this so that Hellion's powers have been unleashed by Emma Frost for the duration of the battle.

i.e.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6352/newxmen31028cx5.th.jpghttp://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4381/newxmen31029nw0.th.jpghttp://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3563/newxmen31030xl7.th.jpghttp://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3290/newxmen31031dd3.th.jpghttp://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3027/newxmen31032dc4.th.jpg

That's Dallas, Texas to Salem Center, NY in a matter of seconds. Likely somewhere upwards of 1,000,000 mph.

New Avengers with little effort.

Elaborate?

Sentry. He's really all they need. Doesn't seem that anyone on the New X-Men have anyone the level of Photon.

I see. You're one of the people who only reads thread titles. Why would I put a bunch of teenaged mutants up against Sentry?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Don't think this has been done before. Sentry removed, because.
Youth and numbers vs age and experience. Standard rules. Fighting in an empty cityscape.

New Avengers
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/New_avengers_sketch.jpg/225px-New_avengers_sketch.jpg
Captain America
Iron Man
Luke Cage
Ronin
Spider-Man
Spider-Woman
Wolverine

New Mutants
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Newx-men20.jpg/180px-Newx-men20.jpg
Hellion
Surge
Dust
Mercury
Rockslide
X23
Prodigy
Elixir
Wind Dancer
Wallflower
Icarus
Wither

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mutants - info on the New Mutants powers.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Bump.

Editing this so that Hellion's powers have been unleashed by Emma Frost for the duration of the battle.

i.e.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6352/newxmen31028cx5.th.jpghttp://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4381/newxmen31029nw0.th.jpghttp://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3563/newxmen31030xl7.th.jpghttp://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3290/newxmen31031dd3.th.jpghttp://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3027/newxmen31032dc4.th.jpg

That's Dallas, Texas to Salem Center, NY in a matter of seconds. Likely somewhere upwards of 1,000,000 mph.

I reckon the New mutants take a few, 3/10 maybe. But the sheer experience of the members of NA take the majority for them.

On other notes very unhappy, last New X men issue I got was 29.. Need to get the last three. Damn.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I see. You're one of the people who only reads thread titles. Why would I put a bunch of teenaged mutants up against Sentry?

wtf? One speed feat means he's on Sentry's level? Sentry has gone to the sun and back in a few seconds. It takes light from the sun 8 to 10 seconds to reach the Earth.

Cool feat and all, but he's nowhere near Sentry.

Let's look at the OP a third time shall we...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sentry removed.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Let's look at the OP a third time shall we...



Alrighty then, Iron Man takes him.

Elaborate?

A lot of the New Mutants are basically fodder. But frankly all of the New Avengers other than Iron Man are basically fodder. He is the only real threat on the NA side.

Iron Man is the only threat to the team, Helion could essentially just TK bubble all of the NA and Mercury or Wither could handle them after that with Helion holding them with TK.

Double up, my computer just did the craziest thing I have ever seen.

Oh well with Helion the New Mutants can get the majority if they can do something to contain IM.

New X-men are still young and inexperienced

The only problem is that some of them are nearly impossible to kill, such as Rockslide, and Dust in her sandform are pretty much impossible to kill by phycical means

Of course, they can still be KO'ed

Originally posted by Grimm22
As cool as Rockslide is, he stands as much of a chance against Ben as he does against Colossus.

Heck, Ben could probobly take the team down by himself like Colossus did.

You = Stupid, Past Grimm!

Hellion >>>>> Thing