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ok, we all know that lucifer is the so of yahweh, and has accomplished some damn good feats........but he is going up against the 2nd version of spawn (the king of hell)..........both are bloodlusted.........i think spawn takes this one, what do u think?

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Originally posted by Mider999
unknown ???

Morningstar is WAY WAY above Spawn. He'd definitely take it here.

Originally posted by batdude123
Morningstar is WAY WAY above Spawn. He'd definitely take it here. why do u say that? what has lucifer done on pannel that proves hes above king of hell spawn

Originally posted by galan7777777
why do u say that? what has lucifer done on pannel that proves hes above king of hell spawn

Pffffffffft.

This about covers it:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=408911

ive seen the respect thread before, but explain how lucifer would beat spawn-king of hell

Originally posted by galan7777777
ive seen the respect thread before, but explain how lucifer would beat spawn-king of hell

Wow. How DOESN'T he beat Spawn? 2nd age Spawn is a chump compared to Lucifer. You're trying to compare one of THE most powerful characters in the DC MULTIVERSE (Lucifer) to a SKYFATHER level character (Spawn). Go home.

How would Spawn take Lucifer...Lucifer was king of hell too?

Originally posted by batdude123
Wow. How DOESN'T he beat Spawn? 2nd age Spawn is a chump compared to Lucifer. You're trying to compare one of THE most powerful characters in the DC MULTIVERSE (Lucifer) to a SKYFATHER level character (Spawn). Go home. lucifer has never displayed on pannel any feats that lead me to believe he could outright destroy spawn in his most powerful version.......and keep the slander to yourself please!

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
How would Spawn take Lucifer...Lucifer was king of hell too?

Not to mention one of the most powerful characters in DC.

Originally posted by galan7777777
lucifer has never displayed on pannel any feats that lead me to believe he could outright destroy spawn in his most powerful version.......and keep the slander to yourself please!

You've GOT to be kidding me. Ignorance like this should NEVER be tolerated people!!!

TOAA and the Presence never show their omnipotent feats on panel...well, I know for sure TOAA doesn't....but no one argues that they would beat Spawn..lol

Originally posted by batdude123
You've GOT to be kidding me. Ignorance like this should NEVER be tolerated people!!! can u provide such pannels showing feats which would make me think he could beat spawn........and for the last time keep the verbal slander to yourself!

Originally posted by galan7777777
lucifer has never displayed on pannel any feats that lead me to believe he could outright destroy spawn in his most powerful version.......and keep the slander to yourself please!

So you're trying to tell me that a multiversal level character would be beaten by a skyfather level character?? REDICULOUS.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
TOAA and the Presence never show their omnipotent feats on panel...well, I know for sure TOAA doesn't....but no one argues that they would beat Spawn..lol we arent talking about toaa, hes never been seen on pannel at all......we are talking about lucifer, and he has never been shown accomplishing any omnipotent feats

I've never read a Lucifer comic...but, I have heard plenty on the guy. I believe he survived a universe destroying blast...or maybe it was a galaxy destroying blast. I don't think Spawn could handle that. How would Spawn even hurt Lucifer anyway?

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
I've never read a Lucifer comic...but, I have heard plenty on the guy. I believe he survived a universe destroying blast...or maybe it was a galaxy destroying blast. I don't think Spawn could handle that. How would Spawn even hurt Lucifer anyway? the same way he killed malbogia

Originally posted by galan7777777
can u provide such pannels showing feats which would make me think he could beat spawn........and for the last time keep the verbal slander to yourself!

GAH!!! This is hilarious!!

You want feats that would suggest that Lucifer is above Spawn??!!! LMAO!!

He went outside of the presence's creation , and there he mercy killed his Brother Michael.

Michael was the 2nd or third most powerful being in creation alongside Lucifer.

Lucifer was the Will, Michael the power (The presenc edirectly imbued him with power, he was the one that easily overturned the rogue angels without using the presence's power).

Lucifer helps "kill" him and the release of energy that would have destroyed the entire DC omniverse and rebboted it is chaneeled by Lucifer to create a new reality that is entirely deperate from the Presence.

This omniversal big bang doesn't even scratch him:

http://static.flickr.com/54/127050112_477047a0e7_o.jpg

And slightly less impressive, remmember the Source wall?

The one holding the promethian giants, Darkseid, anything that touches it with nothing ever being able to get to the other side?

Lucifer ignores it and The source , and it apparently doesn't move , so that he (Lucifer) can take a good view of all creation.

He also shows the ability to watch everything ahppening in the universe at once without any difficulty and finding someone.


http://static.flickr.com/52/127047035_6b354349e8_o.jpg


Now, a few scenes from Lucifer as he builds himself a universe quickly (This is just a test version for him).


http://static.flickr.com/47/127058603_9321906be4_o.jpg

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Lucifer laying out the rules in his new creation, note the SUN inside his hands:

http://static.flickr.com/44/127109552_79d5066e8a_o.jpg?v=0

NOW BE QUIET, MONKEY!

Originally posted by galan7777777
we arent talking about toaa, hes never been seen on pannel at all......we are talking about lucifer, and he has never been shown accomplishing any omnipotent feats

No omnipotent feats? Are you on crack???!!! eer

1st of all he couldnt sense everything in the omniverse, he just could sense things in the universe............and 2nd of all hed idnt create the universe, he just shaped it from michaels power.......and please stop ure mindless verbal slander, dont be mad just because im not agreeing with u!

well...lol...Lucifer isn't really omnipotent....he is below the Presence...true omnipotence....but, hey...Lucifer is mighty powerful according to those scans. He is well above Abstract level. I don't see how Spawn can compete with that

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
well...lol...Lucifer isn't really omnipotent....he is below the Presence...true omnipotence....but, hey...Lucifer is mighty powerful according to those scans. He is well above Abstract level. I don't see how Spawn can compete with that spawn alone cant really compete, but he commands the army of hell which all together i think would be very comparable to lucifer

Originally posted by galan7777777
1st of all he couldnt sense everything in the omniverse, he just could sense things in the universe............and 2nd of all hed idnt create the universe, he just shaped it from michaels power.......and please stop ure mindless verbal slander, dont be mad just because im not agreeing with u!

You're hopeless. Spawn doesn't have a chance. Spawn's not as powerful, he's not NEARLY as smart (Lucifer was beating the crap out of gods without ANY of his powers), he doesn't have ANYTHING on Lucifer. Lucifer would be more of a match for the Living Tribunal and not Spawn. You realize that the Spectre and Lucifer are equal in power, right? This thread is extremely rediculous. It's a spite thread, but you don't even realize it. Spawn is more of a match for Rune King Thor.

Originally posted by galan7777777
spawn alone cant really compete, but he commands the army of hell which all together i think would be very comparable to lucifer

Not even close. Lucifer would just retcon Hell so that Spawn would never have been king in the first place. You don't realize that Spawn is COMPLETELY out of his league here, and I find it hilarious.

Originally posted by batdude123
You're hopeless. Spawn doesn't have a chance. Spawn's not as powerful, he's not NEARLY as smart (Lucifer was beating the crap out of gods without ANY of his powers), he doesn't have ANYTHING on Lucifer. Lucifer would be more of a match for the Living Tribunal and not Spawn. You realize that the Spectre and Lucifer are equal in power, right? This thread is extremely rediculous. It's a spite thread, but you don't even realize it. Spawn is more of a match for Rune King Thor. y do u think this is a spite thread? just because im not agreeing with u lol? and as i said spawn alone cant really compete with lucifer, but he commands the army of hell which all together i think would be very comparable to lucifer

Originally posted by batdude123
Not even close. Lucifer would just retcon Hell so that Spawn would never have been king in the first place. You don't realize that Spawn is COMPLETELY out of his league here, and I find it hilarious. ure going overboard saying lucifer can now retcon things lol! thats hilarious

Originally posted by galan7777777
y do u think this is a spite thread? just because im not agreeing with u lol? and as i said spawn alone cant really compete with lucifer, but he commands the army of hell which all together i think would be very comparable to lucifer

No, why would I think it's a spite thread because you don't agree with me? That doesn't even make sense. Spawn is COMPLETELY outclassed here, and that's why it's a spite thread. Lucifer wins 10000000000000000000000000000/10.

Originally posted by batdude123
No, why would I think it's a spite thread because you don't agree with me? That doesn't even make sense. Spawn is COMPLETELY outclassed here, and that's why it's a spite thread. Lucifer wins 10000000000000000000000000000/10. but even with the pannels u have provided, that dosent show me how lucifer can beat spawn and the army of hell

Originally posted by galan7777777
ure going overboard saying lucifer can now retcon things lol! thats hilarious

http://static.flickr.com/50/127036065_45a7142142_b.jpg

Originally posted by galan7777777
but even with the pannels u have provided, that dosent show me how lucifer can beat spawn and the army of hell

Wait just a damn minute. You said that this is "SPAWN VS. LUCIFER." Not Spawn and his army vs. Lucifer and Lucifer would STILL kick all of their asses with ease.

whats that have 2 do with a retcon?

Originally posted by batdude123
Wait just a damn minute. You said that this is "SPAWN VS. LUCIFER." Not Spawn and his army vs. Lucifer and Lucifer would STILL kick all of their asses with ease. spawn in his 2nd version is the king of hell, and its within his power to summon the army of hell

Originally posted by galan7777777
whats that have 2 do with a retcon?

It was to prove a point, AND later on he mentioned he retconned hell so that demons didn't even exist.

Originally posted by batdude123
It was to prove a point, AND later on he mentioned he retconned hell so that demons didn't even exist. can u provide scans showing him saying that "he retconned hell" i doubt it

Originally posted by galan7777777
spawn in his 2nd version is the king of hell, and its within his power to summon the army of hell

Not only would Lucifer beat EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, but it's within Lucifer's powers to summon the Presence and then Spawn would be royally f*cked. Or Lucifer creates the universe and then destroys it so that Spawn doesn't exist, or he retconns hell so that none of the demons exist along with Spawn, etc.

Spawn has absolutely NO shot in hell (pun INTENDED). Just give up.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not only would Lucifer beat EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, but it's within Lucifer's powers to summon the Presence and then Spawn would be royally f*cked. Or Lucifer creates the universe and then destroys it so that Spawn doesn't exist, or he retconns hell so that none of the demons exist along with Spawn, etc.

Spawn has absolutely NO shot in hell (pun INTENDED). Just give up. it it ever seen on pannel that lucifer can do any of these things? lucifer didnt create a universe by himself, he simply shaped one from michaels power

You're not getting this. Spawn is COMPLETELY outclassed:

Lucifer was the third being created by the presence:
"Michael's Demiurgic power gave birth to the first matter, and Lucifer's will shaped it into suns":

http://static.flickr.com/50/127130331_c39b0a40af_o.jpg


Lucifer to Death while dead "You have no claim on me":

http://static.flickr.com/56/127130586_316a182070_o.jpg


Re-incorporation from death is normally no problem for Lucifer:

http://static.flickr.com/49/127131464_0d0613068e_o.jpg

Lucifer threatens the Endless Death, who replies "If you kill the messenger in the long run you just get less mail"

http://static.flickr.com/47/127132181_64cf8bd931_o.jpg

Lucifer and the dark elves."It is guarded by the dark elves probably enough to deter the common ruck of gods and monsters"
The dark elves hide themselves in whimpering panic when they see Lucifer :

http://static.flickr.com/49/127424983_4274fdda72_o.jpg


Lucifer vs the Midgard Serpent that tortures Loki placed there by Odin- guess who wins:P

http://static.flickr.com/49/127425180_929a044130_o.jpg

Lucifer offers up freeing Loki on Ragnarok in exchange for a very special ship, so don't say that Odin is anywhere near him:

http://static.flickr.com/55/127425380_79ef1bf686_o.jpg


The Presence, the omnipotent creator of Creation and omnipotent all powerful God (With a capital G, Biblical God is mentioned a fraction of the presence in the silver city throne room):

Names Lucifer as the "King of contrivance and manipulation"
In other words, that he's the most cunning scheming prep bastard to ever live after his "dad" :

http://static.flickr.com/1/127432730_5166ad2136_o.jpg

Originally posted by galan7777777
it it ever seen on pannel that lucifer can do any of these things? lucifer didnt create a universe by himself, he simply shaped one from michaels power

No, actually Michael and Lucifer together can create MULTIVERSES. He created a universe all on his own power.

Spawn doesn't have ONE feat that compares to Lucifer. NOT ONE!

Some more:

Also here' s another bit about Michael being the most powerful being in creation after the Presence :


http://static.flickr.com/54/127097803_b043bd63bf_o.jpg

"Michael is an Archangel"
"Of all gods creations there are non more powerful"
"At least, not now".


Now for a little Attitude for all those of you that Think that Lucifer only wants the Presence's approval:


http://static.flickr.com/44/127107149_1b5774af01.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/52/127107494_1226bb5445.jpg

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A nice scene in Lucifer's new creation after his speech to the "immigrants":

http://static.flickr.com/46/127122222_0151ad060b_o.jpg

Lucifer vs the incredibly powerful Basanos, note how he ignores their powers and them manifesting every possible doom upon him despite their having a card based on him:

http://static.flickr.com/52/127126654_b7b27fe9ec_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/46/127127054_c611bbff67_o.jpg

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"When you raise your hand to strike the stars themselves grow dim":

http://static.flickr.com/50/127127917_0e87f250db_o.jpg


A few bits on Lucifers Willpower:
A Seraph comments on how Lucifer is pure will and might will himself back from total annihalation at the "hands" of his own power:

http://static.flickr.com/46/127130020_9a922b4453_o.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
No, actually Michael and Lucifer together can create MULTIVERSES. He created a universe all on his own power.

Spawn doesn't have ONE feat that compares to Lucifer. NOT ONE! i understand spawn alone cant compete with lucifer, but as i said, spawn in his 2nd version controls all of the army of hell.........this consists of billions of beings that are all powerful in their own right

Originally posted by galan7777777
i understand spawn alone cant compete with lucifer, but as i said, spawn in his 2nd version controls all of the army of hell.........this consists of billions of beings that are all powerful in their own right

Good lord, if that's your only argument here, then just stop right now. Not only can Lucifer summon ANYONE he wants to fight for him, but I also showed a scan in which Lucifer thought of the demons in hell as worms that were WAY beneath him. I've shown you PLENTY of scans (THAT YOU'RE EVEN IGNORING!!!) that suggest Lucifer would make short work of Spawn without even breathing hard. What is it that you don't understand? I think anyone who's been following this thread has realized that you're rediculous, and I'm done. You're hopeless and ignorant on this subject. You're not worth anymore of my time.

Originally posted by batdude123
Good lord, if that's your only argument here, then just stop right now. Not only can Lucifer summon ANYONE he wants to fight for him, but I also showed a scan in which Lucifer thought of the demons in hell as worms that were WAY beneath him. I've shown you PLENTY of scans (THAT YOU'RE EVEN IGNORING!!!) that suggest Lucifer would make short work of Spawn without even breathing hard. What is it that you don't understand? I think anyone who's been following this thread has realized that you're rediculous, and I'm done. You're hopeless and ignorant on this subject. You're not worth anymore of my time. wow u r really good at name calling, and i think its hilarious that u start talking shit to me just because im not agreeing with u!

Originally posted by galan7777777
wow u r really good at name calling, and i think its hilarious that u start talking shit to me just because im not agreeing with u!

No, you're not using logic. THAT'S why. You're ignorant to Lucifer's powers, so you don't understand what he can possibly do. He's WAY above Spawn, and you haven't even shown ONE scan of ANYTHING Spawn could do to compete with Lucifer, BECAUSE HE CAN'T!!

i dont doubt lucifers power at all, in fact im an avis reader, all im saying is that spawn and the army of hell would do much better then ur giving them credit for

Originally posted by galan7777777
i dont doubt lucifers power at all, in fact im an avis reader, all im saying is that spawn and the army of hell would do much better then ur giving them credit for

They would lose. Plain and simple.

but lucifer has never taken on so many powerful beings before we are talking 10's of billions.....though he may be able to win, it wouldnt be easy

Originally posted by galan7777777
but lucifer has never taken on so many powerful beings before we are talking 10's of billions.....though he may be able to win, it wouldnt be easy

He'd destroy them easily. He thinks of them as worms beneath his foot. His only peers are the Spectre and Michael. Spawn and his army get smashed and badly. Lucifer could ALSO summon hells demons if he wanted to.

Originally posted by batdude123
He'd destroy them easily. He thinks of them as worms beneath his foot. His only peers are the Spectre and Michael. Spawn and his army get smashed and badly. Lucifer could ALSO summon hells demons if he wanted to. as i said he probably could beat them, but not easily

Originally posted by galan7777777
as i said he probably could beat them, but not easily

Probably? He WOULD beat them, and handily.

Originally posted by batdude123
Probably? He WOULD beat them, and handily. u have your oppinion and i have mine, i agree with u in that lucifer may win, but i dont see him beatin all of those billions of spawn-like beings easily

Originally posted by batdude123
You're hopeless. Spawn doesn't have a chance. Spawn's not as powerful, he's not NEARLY as smart (Lucifer was beating the crap out of gods without ANY of his powers), he doesn't have ANYTHING on Lucifer. Lucifer would be more of a match for the Living Tribunal and not Spawn. You realize that the Spectre and Lucifer are equal in power, right? This thread is extremely rediculous. It's a spite thread, but you don't even realize it. Spawn is more of a match for Rune King Thor. Your wrong, lucifer is above spectre.

Originally posted by galan7777777
u have your oppinion and i have mine, i agree with u in that lucifer may win, but i dont see him beatin all of those billions of spawn-like beings easily

Yes he would. He would squish them all like bugs.

Originally posted by bigbran
Your wrong, lucifer is above spectre.

Even better.

well king spawn was shown to do these things

stop time, lucifer rewrote the rules of the universe maybe he can exist out of time

hellspawn can come back from hell if he's killed while lucifer can come back from total annihilation

spawn is not above god as shown when he tried to get into that vampire layer lucifer rewrote everything the presance made so it could servive when he left

lucifer can make his own universe from screatch to make a multiverse he needs his bro he can servive outside of time and space cause he was in the void

like i said im really not sure there both very powerful maybe a stalemate for now i cant give conclusive evidence.

Wrong. Spawn is nowhere near as powerful as Lucifer. He'd kick his ass with ease.

Originally posted by batdude123
Wrong. Spawn is nowhere near as powerful as Lucifer. He'd kick his ass with ease. Serously, galactus wuld be wiped out if he fought Lucifer.
LT does't really have feats, but we know hes the most powerful in marvel.
Eternity doesn't have feats, but we know hes more powerful than the celestials.

Lucifer scares everyone. He evens talks to spectre, like hes below him, and if all these people are below him, you think they would beat him?
Lucifer dioesn't really have feats because no one is one his level for him to fight.
But holding a sun in one hand isn't a feat right?
Or taking a omniversal big bang, without a scratch.
No these things don't compare to ruling a lower level of hell...

Whats next? Lucifer Morningstar vs sentry?

Originally posted by bigbran
Serously, galactus wuld be wiped out if he fought Lucifer.
LT does't really have feats, but we know hes the most powerful in marvel.
Eternity doesn't have feats, but we know hes more powerful than the celestials.

Lucifer scares everyone. He evens talks to spectre, like hes below him, and if all these people are below him, you think they would beat him?
Lucifer dioesn't really have feats because no one is one his level for him to fight.
But holding a sun in one hand isn't a feat right?
Or taking a omniversal big bang, without a scratch.
No these things don't compare to ruling a lower level of hell...



Originally posted by bigbran
Whats next? Lucifer Morningstar vs sentry?

just to let you know lucifer was once targeted by the armies of heaven, he had a monster waiting for them to kill them didnt he, and he carried micheals dead body with him just in case anyone wanted a peace of him if they tried to attack him they might hurt micheals body and thus release his energy obliborating everything in a universal ratious sept lucifer.

Originally posted by Mider999
just to let you know lucifer was once targeted by the armies of heaven, he had a monster waiting for them to kill them didnt he, and he carried micheals dead body with him just in case anyone wanted a peace of him if they tried to attack him they might hurt micheals body and thus release his energy obliborating everything in a universal ratious sept lucifer. And, the point....

Lucifer wins 1000036467456413293125789834/10

was i asking you anything bigbran someone said oh well spawn has the armies of hell to beat lucifer i was just mentioning lucifer has gone up against armies.

Originally posted by Mider999
was i asking you anything bigbran someone said oh well spawn has the armies of hell to beat lucifer i was just mentioning lucifer has gone up against armies. oh. I didn't know what you were doing.

lucifer wins 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,0000
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0000000000000000000000000000/10

lets say

rtk thor

genis vell

2nd age spawn

pc sups

ion

shazam the old guy ect ect was to fight lucifer they will lose. to beat him you need lt, specter full powered, thanos with hotu, darkseid/ale, toaa/god, and the one above all

oh yeah full powered beyonder could beat lucifer. but no spawn has no way NO WAY to be lucifer im a big spawn fan has many of his comic and i know he can't beat lucifer.