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This thread is made in memory of black flash......for those of u who dont know about him, black flash is a personifacation of death used to bring death to beings that cannot be caught, those that are connected to the speed force..... he also possesses other time manipulating abilities as well...... and if u have any other scans other then the ones that ive posted, feel free to add them

Uumm...Is this a joke thread? Fastest character ever created? Wally beat him.

he has already brought death to other beings hard wired to the speedforce:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p015qq.jpg

wally meets the balck flash:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p029uk.jpg

they have their 1st altercation, and wally is shocked at his speed:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p031wm.jpg

max mercury, the oldest hero on earth is trying to outrun black flash "yeah right":
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p076px.jpg

here max does what he can to avoid death a little longer:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p081xf.jpg

they are starting to understand the black flash can not be outran:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p093wa.jpg

here they try to kill black flash, but to no avail, black flash isnt even scratched lol!:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p103py.jpg

heres max about to get killed before the "flash"/wally intervenes:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p114dg.jpg

this is where they begin 2 race, finally!:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p120by.jpg

flash is starting to realize that black flash can keep up with him, and they run so fast that they actually leave the 20th century!:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p132fo.jpg

they are running 800 million years into the future, and flash realizes that not even he can outrun the black flash!:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p140ro.jpg

finally the only way wally beats black flash is when they reach the end of time itself, where death has no purpose, and black flash simply fades away:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p159li.jpg

Originally posted by jrodslam
Uumm...Is this a joke thread? Fastest character ever created? Wally beat him. but not by outrunning him

awesome scans!

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
but not by outrunning him But he did outrun him.

Black flash didn't catch Wally. Wally got to the finish line before Black flash caught him.

Originally posted by Creshosk
But he did outrun him.

Black flash didn't catch Wally. Wally got to the finish line before Black flash caught him. no, if u look at the scans BF caught up 2 wally and was about to kill just just before they hit the end of time

"No matter how fast you are. The Black Flash is always faster"

Originally posted by Wally West
"No matter how fast your are. The Black Flash is always faster" exactly!

Runner is faster

Originally posted by Broly92
Runner is faster hmm thats ure oppinion, did u look at the above scans?

Originally posted by galan7777777
hmm thats ure oppinion, did u look at the above scans?
Yes

Originally posted by galan7777777
no, if u look at the scans BF caught up 2 wally and was about to kill just just before they hit the end of time Doesn't change the validity of what I said.

He outran him, even if only just barely.

He made it to the finish line before the other person did.

Even if it was a photo finish in closeness...

Wally still won.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Doesn't change the validity of what I said.

He outran him, even if only just barely.

He made it to the finish line before the other person did.

Even if it was a photo finish in closeness...

Wally still won. no, BF had wally literally in his graps, that just came to the end of time, it was a stalemate at best.....wally even commented on that in the above scans

Originally posted by galan7777777
no, BF had wally literally in his graps, that just came to the end of time, it was a stalemate at best.....wally even commented on that in the above scans
Then Runner is faster for sure

By the time BF realized what Wally was doing it was pretty much game over. He did catch up pretty easily.

Originally posted by Validus
By the time BF realized what Wally was doing it was pretty much game over. He did catch up pretty easily. thats what im saying too!

i like this respect thread simply because black flash wasnt seen for very long, but his showings were very impressive....... he is very under-rated around these threads

Let's see, one character/concept appearing in one run of a Flash comic written by one author (not only that Black Flash was that fast, but also that Wally was that slow) is hardly anything to make a respect thread about.

Anyway, it's not like Wally was outrunning a villain. He was outrunning his own fate. Yes, in the end we all die, so does that make death the most powerful "character" out there?

Originally posted by Broly92
Then Runner is faster for sure No, he's not, Wally and Black Flash are both faster than Runner.
If you can prove otherwise, please try to do so.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, he's not, Wally and Black Flash are both faster than Runner.
If you can prove otherwise, please try to do so.
Same to you reversed

Originally posted by Broly92
Same to you reversed Flash's feats speak for themselves. He's outrun instant travel before, across galactic distances. He's fast enough to be on multples teams, in multiple places, fighting multiple enemies, at the same time. Never appearing as if he's moving between the locations at all.


Runner has nothing to hold up to Wally besides random fanboy speculation. Not one shred of evidence that puts him near Kid Flash, let alone the Fastest Man Alive. Get that shit out of here.

Originally posted by Juntai
He's fast enough to be on multples teams, in multiple places, fighting multiple enemies, at the same time. Never appearing as if he's moving between the locations at all.

Do you know what issue that is?

Originally posted by galan7777777
i like this respect thread simply because black flash wasnt seen for very long, but his showings were very impressive....... he is very under-rated around these threads How the hell is he underated?
He doesn't even get mentioned on the board!!

Originally posted by Validus
Do you know what issue that is? When he was on JLA and Justice League Elite?

I believe it was Secret Files and Origins 2004 offhand.

Originally posted by bigbran
How the hell is he underated?
He doesn't even get mentioned on the board!! i know, and he really should be mentioned more often

Originally posted by galan7777777
i know, and he really should be mentioned more often yeah he should!

can't outrun the black man

Techinicly Wally didnt outrun him, he outsmarted him.

Even speedsters have to rest and recharge eventually. Black Flash however dosent. I think thats why he is such a threat

Originally posted by Grimm22
Techinicly Wally didnt outrun him, he outsmarted him.

Even speedsters have to rest and recharge eventually. Black Flash however dosent. I think thats why he is such a threat exactly! he is a very underated character, people are quick to talk bad about him without knowing the facts!

Originally posted by Juntai
Flash's feats speak for themselves. He's outrun instant travel before, across galactic distances. He's fast enough to be on multples teams, in multiple places, fighting multiple enemies, at the same time. Never appearing as if he's moving between the locations at all.


Runner has nothing to hold up to Wally besides random fanboy speculation. Not one shred of evidence that puts him near Kid Flash, let alone the Fastest Man Alive. Get that shit out of here. Really winning an intergalatic race, out running Surfer without trying. If Runner was a main dc character he would hev 5 billion feats (any character would)

Originally posted by Broly92
Really winning an intergalatic race, out running Surfer without trying. If Runner was a main dc character he would hev 5 billion feats (any character would) Flash has won intergalactic races as well.
But really, you have no proof at all and its just your wild off the wall opinion?
I can accept that.
Just don't try to state it as fact, because it isn't.
Flash is fastest in comics.

Originally posted by Broly92
Really winning an intergalatic race, out running Surfer without trying. If Runner was a main dc character he would hev 5 billion feats (any character would)
barker Runner didn't win that race.Shit Barry Allen out ran his ass.

is he faster than wally at full speed or zoom dr.zolomon?

Originally posted by Juntai
When he was on JLA and Justice League Elite?

I believe it was Secret Files and Origins 2004 offhand.
Thank you kind sir. I wanted to have those scans handy.

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp16cq8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp17io1.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp18aq7.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp19uo8.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp20yl5.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp21ra3.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp22io2.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp23nl3.jpg

Originally posted by Validus
Thank you kind sir. I wanted to have those scans handy.

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp16cq8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp17io1.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp18aq7.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp19uo8.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp20yl5.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp21ra3.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp22io2.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlasfo2004dvp23nl3.jpg Aha, so I was right? My knowledge is vast. -flex.- lol.

Put these into the respect thread!

Originally posted by Juntai
Aha, so I was right? My knowledge is vast. -flex.- lol.

Put these into the respect thread! is there a regular "flash" respect thread as well?

Originally posted by galan7777777
is there a regular "flash" respect thread as well? http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=375451&highlight=Respect+Flash+forumid%3A95

Originally posted by ankur29
is he faster than wally at full speed or zoom dr.zolomon? if ure talking about black flash, then yes he is faster then them

and everyone doubting the black flash who didnt take the time 2 view the scans on the 1st page, click on this scan and read the very bottom quote, it says- "no matter how fast you are, the balck flash is ALWAYS faster" http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p015qq.jpg that says enough!

Originally posted by galan7777777
and everyone doubting the black flash who didnt take the time 2 view the scans on the 1st page, click on this scan and read the very bottom quote, it says- "no matter how fast you are, the balck flash is ALWAYS faster" http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p015qq.jpg that says enough! Thats right!

the most important satment from the black flash debacle

"Earth dies somewhere in the 2 billion years that follow, engulfed by its own red son with only a bearded man in bright red boots to mourn it."

hmmm i wonder who that could be

Originally posted by Broly92
Runner is faster

*sigh*



Yeah, based on your own conjecture. You don't have any proof to back up that claim.

Originally posted by Juntai
Flash has won intergalactic races as well.
But really, you have no proof at all and its just your wild off the wall opinion?
I can accept that.
Just don't try to state it as fact, because it isn't.
Flash is fastest in comics.
Damn right.

hmm y cant people just accept the fact that BF is the fastest character ever created, followed closely by wally? it amazes me.....

taz

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Originally posted by galan7777777
hmm y cant people just accept the fact that BF is the fastest character ever created, followed closely by wally? it amazes me.....

Um... probably because Wally beat him in an all out race?

Yeah, it could be argued that the Black Flash had reached the end of his endurance. Maybe if they had raced from further back in time the outcome would've been different.

Originally posted by manjaro
the most important satment from the black flash debacle

"Earth dies somewhere in the 2 billion years that follow, engulfed by its own red son with only a bearded man in bright red boots to mourn it."

hmmm i wonder who that could be
Santa Claus?

That jolly Elf just won't ****ing die, will he?!

Originally posted by batdude123
Um... probably because Wally beat him in an all out race? how so? yes wally outsmarted him, but he hardly beat him, in fact the black flash caught up to wally and could have killed him, but they hit the end of time before this could happen.,..... but wally hardly beat BF

Originally posted by batdude123
Um... probably because Wally beat him in an all out race? how is wally out running him in this scan? http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p140ro.jpg

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
how is wally out running him in this scan? http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p140ro.jpg he isnt, people just dont want to believe that someone is faster then "the flash"

Originally posted by Juntai
Flash has won intergalactic races as well.
But really, you have no proof at all and its just your wild off the wall opinion?
I can accept that.
Just don't try to state it as fact, because it isn't.
Flash is fastest in comics.
I hate you! You fanboy of DC who doesn't accept things because you don't like that he is a minor character

Wally with a goatee =

Originally posted by Broly92
I hate you! You fanboy of DC who doesn't accept things because you don't like that he is a minor character

Originally posted by Validus

Originally posted by Broly92


He's laughing at you, not with you.

Originally posted by batdude123
He's laughing at you, not with you.
I know I kind of laughed when I actually looked at what I posted doh

Well as long as you know.

sigh, that is all that can be brought up against runner. What do you expect when i could probably count his apearances one 1 hand.
But lets see...
You could also argue that surfer is faster than flash.(debatable). In the surfer fight runner was basically toying with surfer with his speed. Surfer couldnt even hit him with his cosmic blasts. It wasnt until runner slowed down and confronted surfer H2h that surfer actually could try to damage him. Which he didnt. He didnt have the space gem in that fight.


Thanos has never been speed blitz by surfer, but runner was able to do it. Yeah , i know he had the gem. But lets look into the gem for a sec.
-The elders didnt really tap into the gems full powers. some didnt even know they did anything at all.
-Runner comented that he would SOMETIMES be so fast he was at a certain place just by thinking it. meaning instant travel. Meaning those specific times he would tap into the gem.
-In the thanos fight. I dont recall runner instant traveling. Im pretty sure he blitz thanos with his own speed. Because like I said before the elders rarily taped into the gems powers.

So that is all we can base runners speed by.
1. he is probably faster than surfer. Based on their fight.
2. he was able to speedblitz thanos, a feat that not even surfer could acomplish. Probably without the use of the gem.

Im not saying that Runner is faster than flash or black flash for the simple fact that he doesnt have that many feats or apearances besides the ones I mentioned that would really go into his full potential.
Saying "flash is faster than runner cause i can pull out hundreds of scans" is kinda dumb considering the circumstances.

sigh, that is all that can be brought up against runner. What do you expect when i could probably count his apearances one 1 hand.
But lets see...
You could also argue that surfer is faster than flash.(debatable). In the surfer fight runner was basically toying with surfer with his speed. Surfer couldnt even hit him with his cosmic blasts. It wasnt until runner slowed down and confronted surfer H2h that surfer actually could try to damage him. Which he didnt. He didnt have the space gem in that fight.


Thanos has never been speed blitz by surfer, but runner was able to do it. Yeah , i know he had the gem. But lets look into the gem for a sec.
-The elders didnt really tap into the gems full powers. some didnt even know they did anything at all.
-Runner comented that he would SOMETIMES be so fast he was at a certain place just by thinking it. meaning instant travel. Meaning those specific times he would tap into the gem.
-In the thanos fight. I dont recall runner instant traveling. Im pretty sure he blitz thanos with his own speed. Because like I said before the elders rarily taped into the gems powers.

So that is all we can base runners speed by.
1. he is probably faster than surfer. Based on their fight.
2. he was able to speedblitz thanos, a feat that not even surfer could acomplish. Probably without the use of the gem.

Im not saying that Runner is faster than flash or black flash(or that flash/blackflash are faster than runner either) for the simple fact that he doesnt have that many feats or apearances besides the ones I mentioned that would really go into his full potential.
Saying "flash is faster than runner cause i can pull out hundreds of scans" is kinda dumb considering the circumstances.

The problem with arguing that any character is faster than Flash is that Flash has no speed limit that we know of. He can steal speed, lend speed, make speed into a flaming lightning suit around his body, travel through time and dimensions, and do countless other things relating to controlling the "energy" of speed.

I'm not trying to say that Runner has a limit either, that's why it's kind of pointless to argue.

Yes, Black Flash almost caught Wally. So what? Wally didn't use a single speed trick. He just ran to get to the end of time and have Black Flash close enough behind him to make him fall into his trap. It's nice to see people taking an interest in "older" Flash comics (Black Flash was around issue 130 if I recall correctly) and Wally has gone faster and learned more and more how to control the speed force in the 100 issues since that whole debacle.

Originally posted by Lindquist
The problem with arguing that any character is faster than Flash is that Flash has no speed limit that we know of. He can steal speed, lend speed, make speed into a flaming lightning suit around his body, travel through time and dimensions, and do countless other things relating to controlling the "energy" of speed.

I'm not trying to say that Runner has a limit either, that's why it's kind of pointless to argue.

Yes, Black Flash almost caught Wally. So what? Wally didn't use a single speed trick. He just ran to get to the end of time and have Black Flash close enough behind him to make him fall into his trap. It's nice to see people taking an interest in "older" Flash comics (Black Flash was around issue 130 if I recall correctly) and Wally has gone faster and learned more and more how to control the speed force in the 100 issues since that whole debacle. BF didnt almost catch flash....he did catch him

Black Flash is a metaphor for death. And you can't outrun death (unless you're immortal). Therefore you can't outrun the Black Flash, no matter how fast you run.

He will always catch you in the end.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Black Flash is a metaphor for death. And you can't outrun death (unless you're immortal). Therefore you can't outrun the Black Flash, no matter how fast you run.

He will always catch you in the end. YES! why cant other people understand that? the fack that u can not outrun the black flash is proven on this page!
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p015qq.jpg

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Black Flash is a metaphor for death. And you can't outrun death (unless you're immortal). Therefore you can't outrun the Black Flash, no matter how fast you run.

He will always catch you in the end.

The runner is immortal BTW



and sorry for the double post up there. Something screwy happened to my internet connection yesterday.

Originally posted by Inhuman
The runner is immortal BTW



and sorry for the double post up there. Something screwy happened to my internet connection yesterday. this is true, in theory BF would never have a reason to try and catch the runner in the 1st place

I found this link on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runner_(comics)

and this link was provided by Wiki

http://www.norse-man.net/Marvel/Char-R/Runner.htm

I think if we interpret this the same way Black Flash translates to a metaphor for death, then the Runner did in fact beat Black Flash by becoming immortal. The same way Wally could beat Black Flash if he should gain the key to immortality.

Interesting, though, is the quote that says "the Runner found some key to longevity that enabled him to escape the fate of the rest of his species. The exact nature of this key remains unclear, but it seems related to total freedom. On one occasion, he told the Silver Surfer that had he been forced to endure captivity on one planet, he would have died."

Perhaps we mis-interpreted Black Flash! Perhaps he is not a sprinter, but rather a marathon athlete, and the race is still continuing!

Originally posted by Dreampanther
I found this link on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runner_(comics)

and this link was provided by Wiki

http://www.norse-man.net/Marvel/Char-R/Runner.htm

I think if we interpret this the same way Black Flash translates to a metaphor for death, then the Runner did in fact beat Black Flash by becoming immortal. The same way Wally could beat Black Flash if he should gain the key to immortality.

Interesting, though, is the quote that says "the Runner found some key to longevity that enabled him to escape the fate of the rest of his species. The exact nature of this key remains unclear, but it seems related to total freedom. On one occasion, he told the Silver Surfer that had he been forced to endure captivity on one planet, he would have died."

Perhaps we mis-interpreted Black Flash! Perhaps he is not a sprinter, but rather a marathon athlete, and the race is still continuing!


I think what he told surfer took place before death banished the elders from her realm, thus granting them immortality.

Originally posted by galan7777777
YES! why cant other people understand that? the fack that u can not outrun the black flash is proven on this page!
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p015qq.jpg

You're really stuck one one line of narrative from one panel in one issue by one writer. Read the other 229 Flash issues and then come back and argue that he has any sort of limit to his speed.

Originally posted by Lindquist
You're really stuck one one line of narrative from one panel in one issue by one writer. Read the other 229 Flash issues and then come back and argue that he has any sort of limit to his speed. as fast as wally is, he cannot outrun black flash=death, wally isnt immortal

Originally posted by galan7777777
as fast as wally is, he cannot outrun black flash=death, wally isnt immortal

Wally ain't dead yet = you have no idea if he ever will die. Especially since it looks like the Speed Force is being retconned in the new series.

he wasn't talking about a new series and the scan should be enough proof that bf can't be outran and if you are imortal he would have no reason to chase u and we aren't talking about him being dead yet we r talking about bf being faster and he is as i said per the scans

I hope Wally comes back and either takes back the Flash mantle or comes back with Barry and Barry takes back the Flash mantle and Wally makes his own idenity.

I mean seriously, Dick is Nightwing, Roy is Arsenal, Garth is Tempest and Donna is Troya (being WW dosent really count ). I think its time for Wally to establish his own idenity or at least his own costume

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
he wasn't talking about a new series and the scan should be enough proof that bf can't be outran and if you are imortal he would have no reason to chase u and we aren't talking about him being dead yet we r talking about bf being faster and he is as i said per the scans

Alright, let's analyze everything wrong with that one page you keep resorting too.

Barry was not caught by Black Flash. Barry reappeared in Infinite Crisis (or he's still stuck in a constant loop where he turns into the lightning bolt that struck himself). Barry is not dead.

Johnny Quick was killed by Savitar (IIRC) with no mention of Black Flash ever racing after him at any time (back when Waid was writing).

Savitar went to speed force heaven, but was not killed (again, no mention of Black Flash). He got exactly what he was searching for by linking up with the speed force (this also happened when Waid was writing).

Hmm, I'm just starting to wonder how legit this page is...

Oh! A man name Mark Millar wrote this arc while Waid was away writing JLA Year 1. That explains all the discontinuity. Millar wrote a total of 11 issues out of the 230 issue run. I wonder why Johns never cared to mention Black Flash ever again in the rest of the run.

Bottom line (and I will not respond to this thread again since you have no argument): One sentence from one thought of one issue about a character written and created by a temporary replacement does not contradict the fact that Wally never had any limit to his speed. Wally could always go faster.

Millar either writes pure gold (Civil War, Ultimates, Ultimate FF) or pure crap (Ult. X-men, Wolveirne, Ult. War, ect..)

Then again the same goes for Bendis...

Good (New Avengers, Ult. Spidey, Ult. X-men, Daredevil,ect..)

Bad: (Avengers Dissemebelled, Ult. Six, Spider-Woman: Origins, House of M)

Originally posted by Lindquist
Alright, let's analyze everything wrong with that one page you keep resorting too.

Barry was not caught by Black Flash. Barry reappeared in Infinite Crisis (or he's still stuck in a constant loop where he turns into the lightning bolt that struck himself). Barry is not dead.

Johnny Quick was killed by Savitar (IIRC) with no mention of Black Flash ever racing after him at any time (back when Waid was writing).

Savitar went to speed force heaven, but was not killed (again, no mention of Black Flash). He got exactly what he was searching for by linking up with the speed force (this also happened when Waid was writing).

Hmm, I'm just starting to wonder how legit this page is...

Oh! A man name Mark Millar wrote this arc while Waid was away writing JLA Year 1. That explains all the discontinuity. Millar wrote a total of 11 issues out of the 230 issue run. I wonder why Johns never cared to mention Black Flash ever again in the rest of the run.

Bottom line (and I will not respond to this thread again since you have no argument): One sentence from one thought of one issue about a character written and created by a temporary replacement does not contradict the fact that Wally never had any limit to his speed. Wally could always go faster. dont u understand black fash=death, so u could say that no matter how they died, black flash eventually caught up with them, because as i said black flash IS death itself

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Originally posted by Lindquist
Alright, let's analyze everything wrong with that one page you keep resorting too.

Barry was not caught by Black Flash. Barry reappeared in Infinite Crisis (or he's still stuck in a constant loop where he turns into the lightning bolt that struck himself). Barry is not dead.

Johnny Quick was killed by Savitar (IIRC) with no mention of Black Flash ever racing after him at any time (back when Waid was writing).

Savitar went to speed force heaven, but was not killed (again, no mention of Black Flash). He got exactly what he was searching for by linking up with the speed force (this also happened when Waid was writing).

Well then techniclly Speedsters never die

They just merge with the speed force.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Well then techniclly Speedsters never die

They just merge with the speed force.

You're right, I pulled out the old Savitar run and realized that Johnny merged with the speed force (so I stand corrected). I also forgot that he appeared with Barry and Max in Infinite Crisis to help pull Superboy Prime into the Speed Force.

I never really liked Johnny all that much anyway, but the issue where Wally uses the speed formula for the first time is pretty sweet.

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why the hell did black flash cease to exist, but flash didn't? you'd think, once everything stops existing human life, or the speedforce, would have ceased to exist as well.

anyway, the fact that flash outran black flash does not contradict the fact that black flash was the faster of the two. it's heavily implied that, once time ripped open, black flash started at a disadvantage. and he caught up. thus, he was moving faster. he still didn't win though, thus, he was outrun. whether flash was really at his "limit," which he seemed to be pointing to, is irrelevant. case closed.

Originally posted by Disappear
why the hell did black flash cease to exist, but flash didn't? you'd think, once everything stops existing human life, or the speedforce, would have ceased to exist as well.

anyway, the fact that flash outran black flash does not contradict the fact that black flash was the faster of the two. it's heavily implied that, once time ripped open, black flash started at a disadvantage. and he caught up. thus, he was moving faster. he still didn't win though, thus, he was outrun. whether flash was really at his "limit," which he seemed to be pointing to, is irrelevant. case closed. you have to remember that wally would have certainly been running at his fastest, he was running for his life, and the fact that he didnt beat the black flash is obvious if u read the scans

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Originally posted by galan7777777
you have to remember that wally would have certainly been running at his fastest, he was running for his life, and the fact that he didnt beat the black flash is obvious if u read the scans

i read the scans many times. technically, he did "beat" the black flash, considering he got to the end of time first. black flash ceased to exist. but black flash was moving faster, he simply didn't catch up in time. whether or not wally was moving as fast as he possibly can, or could, is completely not the point.

Originally posted by Disappear
i read the scans many times. technically, he did "beat" the black flash, considering he got to the end of time first. black flash ceased to exist. but black flash was moving faster, he simply didn't catch up in time. whether or not wally was moving as fast as he possibly can, or could, is completely not the point. so u dont think he caught up to him in this pic?
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p140ro.jpg

if you think feeling the metaphysical made physical brushing against his neck counts as "catching up," i suppose. but, going by your previous interpretation that the black flash embodies death itself, and it couldn't kill wally before it ceased to exist itself, seems to me he didn't catch him. seems to me.

The Shrike is faster than him and the Runner combined

Originally posted by Disappear
if you think feeling the metaphysical made physical brushing against his neck counts as "catching up," i suppose. but, going by your previous interpretation that the black flash embodies death itself, and it couldn't kill wally before it ceased to exist itself, seems to me he didn't catch him. seems to me. brushed against his neck? BF caught up to the flash easily, and had flashes entire head in his hands, the only thing that saved him was that they hit the end of reality before death could kill him, but BF did a little more then brushing his neck:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p140ro.jpg

Originally posted by Disappear
if you think feeling the metaphysical made physical brushing against his neck counts as "catching up," i suppose. but, going by your previous interpretation that the black flash embodies death itself, and it couldn't kill wally before it ceased to exist itself, seems to me he didn't catch him. seems to me. and its not just my "interpretation" that BF embodies death, its fact........ read this scan:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p015qq.jpg

it also says that the black flash eventually "caught up" to various other "fastest men on earth"-types, and now they're dead. so, by that logic, when the black flash catches up to you, you die. so, if he was caught, why isn't flash dead? i'm just saying.

also, black flash has his hands around flash's head; he's hardly choking the life out of him with his black costume and metaphor powers.

Originally posted by Disappear
it also says that the black flash eventually "caught up" to various other "fastest men on earth"-types, and now they're dead. so, by that logic, when the black flash catches up to you, you die. so, if he was caught, why isn't flash dead? i'm just saying.

also, black flash has his hands around flash's head; he's hardly choking the life out of him with his black costume and metaphor powers. "death catching up to them" is a metaphor but BF being the personifacation of death is not.....my god read the scans slowly, u are the only person that has argued whether or not BF was death

sumo

Originally posted by Galan007
and everyone doubting the black flash who didnt take the time 2 view the scans on the 1st page, click on this scan and read the very bottom quote, it says- "no matter how fast you are, the balck flash is ALWAYS faster" http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p015qq.jpg that says enough!

So they say that in a comic, but in the same comic he beats black flash to the finish line...whats the point?

Originally posted by Galan007
brushed against his neck? BF caught up to the flash easily, and had flashes entire head in his hands, the only thing that saved him was that they hit the end of reality before death could kill him, but BF did a little more then brushing his neck:
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p140ro.jpg

Black Flash maybe able to catch up with him but the fact remains both of them had a race to the finish line and Flash beat him to it. Futhermore if you look at the pic most of the Flash's body is in front of Black Flash. If this was in the Olympics Flash would ahve come first.

They weren't racing to a finish line, Black Flash wasn't aware that was Wally's plan, it was just following him no matter where or when he went until it caught him.

Originally posted by Wally West
They weren't racing to a finish line, Black Flash wasn't aware that was Wally's plan, it was just following him no matter where or when he went until it caught him.

That doesn't matter. Black Flash is trying to catch up with Flash so he can kill him, even if you look at this pic it seems they started more or less at the same time.

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash141p120by.jpg

The end result is that Flash reaches his destination before Black Flash can kill him. Even if you look at the final pic, Black Flash has caught up with him but Flash's body is still in front of Black Flash, if this was the Olymmpics Flash would have won.

Catching up does not equal faster there are lots of athelets who come second who could do what Black Flash did to whoever is coming first ie, put there hand over somebodys head.

Your argument is flawed because you're comparing what happened to a real race, such as the Olympics. It wasn't a race to a finish line, there wasn't a destination they were both trying to reach.

I don't see the point in arguing for Black Flash as the fastest ever character though, its Death, and you can't outrun it and it will always catch up with you, its not just some speedster character.

Originally posted by Wally West
Your argument is flawed because you're comparing what happened to a real race, such as the Olympics. It wasn't a race to a finish line, there wasn't a destination they were both trying to reach.

Yeah but Black Flash was still chasing after him.

Originally posted by Wally West

I don't see the point in arguing for Black Flash as the fastest ever character though, its Death, and you can't outrun it and it will always catch up with you, its not just some speedster character.

Well death is still bound by time. Yes I can see how Black Flash can be seen to be faster, it just does not look good when he is trying to kill all these characters and the end surviving by running away from it.

The Black Flash is back!

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8715/0092ro3.jpg

Yeah, I got that issue, good stuff.
At first, I was like "How the hell is Bart supposed to survive that without powers!?"
Then I realised.. . . Bart isn't a speedster currently.

Seriously people come the f'ck on, BF IS DEATH. LEMME REPEAT, BF IS DEATH. ONE MORE TIME, YOU DON'T ESCAPE DEATH!! You're not immortal b/c you can run really fast or run through time doesn't mean you're immortal, and just and FYI, wally ain't the shit anymore, his ship has sailed when Bart has shown him up. Yes Barry and Wally are his superiors but Bart is timeles...literally. This thread hasbecome more of a Wally vs. Black Flash than a black flash respect thread, and obsessed Wally fans don't get past the fact that lightning man can't outrun fate.

Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
The Black Flash is back!

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8715/0092ro3.jpg
I couldn't view this scan...


So I'll re-post it :

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2834/bfns9.th.jpg

Black Flash and Flash are even in speed.

You cant run faster than the death, because you will grow tired.
But he stayed right behind Flash all the time and came closer and closer to him. Flash was possibly tired.

So either, they are even, or Black Flash is faster.

people don't seem to realize hat running faster than bf automatically makes him immortal and that's f'cking retarded. Did everyone miss where b.f. hadhis hands AROUND flash's head, taunting him?

Originally posted by Galan007
dont u understand black fash=death, so u could say that no matter how they died, black flash eventually caught up with them, because as i said black flash IS death itself

I was just going back through all this stuff and reading it, and I agree with this statement 110%

Black Flash isnt a person, he isnt a villian, he is a force and an entity of pure death. He's the Grim Reaper of the speed force. You can't outrun him. Did anyone think that if Wally was able to outrun Black Flash, then maybe it wasn't Wally's time to die? Maybe it was just the whole big plan in the scheme of things?

is there a black flash revamped thread? because it seems all the scans in here don't work.