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Ok we know that he was the most powerful wizard and we know from book 5 that Dumbledore took down Fudge, Umbridge and an auror (I think) and from the end of book 5, he can make Voldermort run away like a girl, no contest. However how many people can Dumbledore take down?

I mean without his wand Snape killed him, but with his wand a delirious Dumbledore took down an army of Zombies whilst protecting Harry and an Angry Dumbledore made Voldermort run away.

It's always been established he was the most powerful Wizard right from the start and yet one of the first things he mentions in Book 1 is how great Harry is and how powerful voldermort is.

My main question is that why was Dumbledore always portrayed as being so powerful if we don't see him actually do much? (Excluding the whole making Voldemort run away in book 5)

Did Rowling create a character she needed to kill off from the start? What help do you think Dumbledore will provide in book 7? (And yes before we go down that road again, Rowling confirmed his death but says he plays a vital role in book 7)

Thoughts and opinions please

Originally posted by willRules
Ok we know that he was the most powerful wizard and we know from book 5 that Dumbledore took down Fudge, Umbridge and an auror (I think) and from the end of book 5, he can make Voldermort run away like a girl, no contest. However how many people can Dumbledore take down?

I mean without his wand Snape killed him, but with his wand a delirious Dumbledore took down an army of Zombies whilst protecting Harry and an Angry Dumbledore made Voldermort run away.

It's always been established he was the most powerful Wizard right from the start and yet one of the first things he mentions in Book 1 is how great Harry is and how powerful voldermort is.

My main question is that why was Dumbledore always portrayed as being so powerful if we don't see him actually do much? (Excluding the whole making Voldemort run away in book 5)

Did Rowling create a character she needed to kill off from the start? What help do you think Dumbledore will provide in book 7? (And yes before we go down that road again, Rowling confirmed his death but says he plays a vital role in book 7)

Thoughts and opinions please
that shhould be asked in -the official ask hermione thread-

Tell me this isn't a disguised "Respect Dumbledore" thread.

Powerful

I think it merits it's own thread. The Ask Hermione thread is not for all questions, just usually the very simple ones.

Obviously Dumbledore isn't as powerful as JK led us to believe, not if he got himself killed the way he did .. . .that's not the way I would expect someone as powerful as he is to die.

yes, Rog , no one of us had expected Dumbledore to die that way. But thats what makes JK Rowling special, she does things in a way that no one expects.

I dony know guys, Grindlewald couldnt kill him niether could Voldie, perhaps seeing as Snape and he were close for so long he knew he had to sacrifice himsel for Harry and Draco plus the fact he was already ingured for destroying the ring and drinking from the fountain to get the 'bogus' locket there are alot of factors here. You never know he may have done it to ensure Harry wins,

the mind boggles though JK is quite a Slyth at times so hmm, what do you peeps think.

( huggles Uni. Rouge. long time no see 'winks')

Originally posted by RoguePw25
I think it merits it's own thread. The Ask Hermione thread is not for all questions, just usually the very simple ones.

Obviously Dumbledore isn't as powerful as JK led us to believe, not if he got himself killed the way he did .. . .that's not the way I would expect someone as powerful as he is to die.

He is......was powerful.....at the time he died, his wand hand was like 'dead'.....plus the effects of that potion had not yet worn off and he was wandless......so I don't really see how him dying the way he did shows that he wasn't powerful.....let's not forget he managed to stop thousands of Inferi just after drinking the potion


And another thing......no one in the whole series could stand up to Voldemort in terms of a duel, not even the protagonist himself......but Dumbledore could and he even won their last duel.

Originally posted by Barker
Tell me this isn't a disguised "Respect Dumbledore" thread.


Dumbledore doesn't need respect, that's kinda the point

Originally posted by willRules
Ok we know that he was the most powerful wizard and we know from book 5 that Dumbledore took down Fudge, Umbridge and an auror (I think) and from the end of book 5, he can make Voldermort run away like a girl, no contest. However how many people can Dumbledore take down?

I mean without his wand Snape killed him, but with his wand a delirious Dumbledore took down an army of Zombies whilst protecting Harry and an Angry Dumbledore made Voldermort run away.

It's always been established he was the most powerful Wizard right from the start and yet one of the first things he mentions in Book 1 is how great Harry is and how powerful voldermort is.

My main question is that why was Dumbledore always portrayed as being so powerful if we don't see him actually do much? (Excluding the whole making Voldemort run away in book 5)

Did Rowling create a character she needed to kill off from the start? What help do you think Dumbledore will provide in book 7? (And yes before we go down that road again, Rowling confirmed his death but says he plays a vital role in book 7)

Thoughts and opinions please

Dumbledore didn't nessecarily make Voldemort run away "like a little girl." A bunch of wizards from the Ministery hurried over when they heard that there was a fight. Voldemort was forced to run from dozens of powerful wizards and aurors that would help Dumbledore

Originally posted by Council#13
Dumbledore didn't nessecarily make Voldemort run away "like a little girl." A bunch of wizards from the Ministery hurried over when they heard that there was a fight. Voldemort was forced to run from dozens of powerful wizards and aurors that would help Dumbledore


Hey all I know is Dumbledore kept calling Voldemort, Tom. Voldemort got angry and fought, Dumbledore got angry, forcing Voldy to possess Harry. Voldy couldn't stay in Harry and was forced to flee

Oh

d/dor was very powerful and he prolly was the greatest wizard of all that is why if jk had to kill him off he had to go that way
not a wand battle
not stupidity

but a miscalculation
an intellectual mistake
(d/dor once said to harry that with his brain was larger than the average so consequently so were mistakes)

Originally posted by pixie1
d/dor was very powerful and he prolly was the greatest wizard of all that is why if jk had to kill him off he had to go that way
not a wand battle
not stupidity

but a miscalculation
an intellectual mistake
(d/dor once said to harry that with his brain was larger than the average so consequently so were mistakes)


That's actually a very good point

Yeah. He didn't expect that potion to weaken him so much. But I think Voldemort's stronger, but just because he's afraid of him doesn't make him weaker.

I disagree because of the fact that most characters (Eg. Hermione, Ron, Hagrid, Mcgonagall etc etc) said something along the lines of "Voldemort is the most powerful wizard, except for Dumbledore of course." Also the events at the end of book 5 IMO showed Dumbledore to be the more powerful wizard, but then again Dumbledore, was one of my favourite characters (Along with Mcgonagall and Snape) so maybe I'm just biased.

I think that with the Dementors in book 3, and Harry being able to chase off 100 of them, really starts to set Harry up as the next in line for "Most Powerful Wizard."

I think that even if DD is more powerful than Voldemort, Harry will be equal to Voldemort because of the prophecy. "Voldemort will mark him his EQUAL..." Something along those line.

What if by sacrificing himself for Snape, because of the agreement, Snape gains the same power of love that Harry has?...

Originally posted by willRules
I disagree because of the fact that most characters (Eg. Hermione, Ron, Hagrid, Mcgonagall etc etc) said something along the lines of "Voldemort is the most powerful wizard, except for Dumbledore of course." Also the events at the end of book 5 IMO showed Dumbledore to be the more powerful wizard, but then again Dumbledore, was one of my favourite characters (Along with Mcgonagall and Snape) so maybe I'm just biased.

The duel showed Dumbledore to be the wiser dueler, not necessarily the more powerful Wizard. Dumbledore once said that Voldemort has more powers and abilities than he could only dream about...Or something to that nature.

the most powerful wizard in all times

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
The duel showed Dumbledore to be the wiser dueler, not necessarily the more powerful Wizard. Dumbledore once said that Voldemort has more powers and abilities than he could only dream about...Or something to that nature.


That's an interesting interpretation

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
The duel showed Dumbledore to be the wiser dueler, not necessarily the more powerful Wizard. Dumbledore once said that Voldemort has more powers and abilities than he could only dream about...Or something to that nature.

Yes! Agreed!

Originally posted by RoguePw25

Obviously Dumbledore isn't as powerful as JK led us to believe, not if he got himself killed the way he did .. . .that's not the way I would expect someone as powerful as he is to die.

I still don't think he's 'officially' dead (please correct me if some concrete evidence has been provided and I've missed it ), so theoretically he didn't "get himself killed" and therefore what happened at the end of HBP is no reflection on his abilities.

If anything it makes Dumbledore and his prowess even more awesome because it seems as though he's trying particularly hard to make Voldemort think he's out of the way for good. If DD wasn't as powerful or anyone to be really concerned about, why would he go so far as to fake his own death in order to lull Voldemort into a false sense of security?

Although, having thought about it I think that DD is only more powerful a wizard in some respects, mainly because of his ability to love. Voldemort is evil, thinks nothing of murder and simply doesn't appear to have any kind of a conscience. I think that splitting his soul only weakened him temporarily and because he's gotten rid of what he considers a weakness (empathy) he could prove to be a formidable opponent, even for someone with the power of Dumbledore. I think it depends on which wizard we're talking about because on the one hand DD seems to have the advantage, but then that same advantage could also prove to be a negative. It's difficult.

Cool theory but one problem


Warning book 7 spoilers.........
Rowling confirmed in a recent book 7 interview that Dumbledore is dead and that Snape is still a good guy. She also said that whilst he is dead, Dumbledore has an important role in book 7

I refuse to believe it cry

Kidding, thanks. Oh well, the rest still stands. Also I don't think Dumbledore "got himself killed" as that makes him sound pathetic.

I agree. Dumbledore is a very very clever man and if what Rowling says is true it implies that Snape is Not a death eater and therefore a member of the order of the phoenix through and through

Originally posted by willRules
I agree. Dumbledore is a very very clever man and if what Rowling says is true it implies that Snape is Not a death eater and therefore a member of the order of the phoenix through and through Does that really need to be in spoilers?

It's harmless in spoilers though, better to be safe than sorry

There's no truth in it though unless it can be fully backed up by JKR if you ask me. In sense, it's just a theory. No need for spoilers for theories.

Ah well, Will obviously thought it was necessary. To be perfectly honest there's absolutely no reason for you to worry about his using spoilers, they don't drag on the forum or anything

Yes but it gives me more hand work. >.<

Anyway, whena sking how powerful is Dumbledore, how are you asking it? In a scale of 1 to 100? Compared to someone? Or what?

Originally posted by The Phantom
Yes but it gives me more hand work. >.<

Anyway, whena sking how powerful is Dumbledore, how are you asking it? In a scale of 1 to 100? Compared to someone? Or what?

Are you lazy enough not to drag your mouse across the spoiler tags?


And as for Dumbledore's power levels I was just asking for people's interpretations on all of the above or anything they felt like contributing on the subject

Originally posted by willRules
Are you lazy enough not to drag your mouse across the spoiler tags?


And as for Dumbledore's power levels I was just asking for people's interpretations on all of the above or anything they felt like contributing on the subject First, yes. Second, Ah.

lol cool

Hes probably on the same par as Merlin hes old and wise enough and can just about manipulate situations to get everyone out of trouble maybe his dying was a manipulation in itself or maybe he was pulling an obi wan canobi ( sp no idea lol ) he can probably be of more use to harry in ghost form I guess

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Originally posted by bogen
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