Originally posted by ESB -1138
Qui-Gon was like Dooku. They both defied the council a LOT and because of that neither of them could be on the council.
I'd say Qui-Gon mainly lost because he got tired. I mean Maul has to be in his 20s against a dude in his 50s or 60s. Maul has the stamina to go on fighting a lot longer than Qui-Gon did. That's (I believe) is the reason Darth Maul was able to take down Qui-Gon Jinn.
You're saying they defied the Council because they were jealous that they weren't on it? "Master, if you'd just listen to the Council, you'd be on it!" - Obi-Wan Kenobi, TPM
Originally posted by Advent
Great explanation. I mean, Qui-Gon is at a disadvantage for whatever reason, but somehow Maul, who uses a double-bladed lightsaber (which is obviously double plus the size of a normal saber) and does far more acrobatics than Qui-Gon's use of Ataru did, wasn't. Yep! It's obvious Qui-Gon's lightsaber form had absolutely zero effect on the outcome. We already know in open space, his best attacks were useless - even combined with Obi-Wan's.
Ataru, if anything, only needs room for the fancy acrobatics, and Qui-Gon doesn't use Ataru in that way. It's also ridiculous to assume Qui-Gon lost because he needed room, but a) there's no mention of that anywhere, and b) Obi-Wan was able to contend while using Ataru. So, how's that "simply logic"? Where the hell is the logic? There's also the fact the TPM novelization states that Qui-Gon was deliberately engaging in close-quarter combat. You were saying?
@ ESB:
Qui-Gon wasn't even tired when he started his one on one with Maul, in fact, he'd been fighting more intensely than ever before. From the novelization and the script as well:
"It appeared that the Jedi Master would. He had found a fresh reserve of strength during his meditation, and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied."
"When the wall between QUI-GON and DARTH MAUL opens, QUI-GON is in a split second fighting the DARK LORD with a ferocity not seen before."
Qui-Gon lost because Maul was his superior. Period. Maul was simply better, there were no tricks, no luck, etc. And this is a Qui-Gon that was described as having a "fresh reserve of strength" and fighting fiercely and intensely to his best.
You put up a very good argument. One that I have to response to.
But I still win