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the clones created on kamino were altered to age more quickly.
but once they reached what seem to be the same age as jango did they keep growing older and die after a few years or did they just eventually stopped aging so quickly

I think more kept coming. We only see them as old as two years after Jango died. I doubt that would make much difference. After ROTS we just don't know.

Maybe he started to use regular people instead of clones.

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Maybe he started to use regular people instead of clones.

ya probably once the empire was established they started higherinng new ppl.
wasnt kyle katarn once and imperial officer?

Originally posted by darth_fidelis
the clones created on kamino were altered to age more quickly.
but once they reached what seem to be the same age as jango did they keep growing older and die after a few years or did they just eventually stopped aging so quickly

Yes...they aged at tiwce the normal rate. Hence the oldes clones were biologically 20 at Geonosis.

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Maybe he started to use regular people instead of clones.

I think its almost-cannon that the Emperor cloned mulitple lines for stormies. The original true troopers would have had to have been replaced as they would have been biologically 64 at the time of ANH without any normalization of their aging.
Originally posted by darth_fidelis
ya probably once the empire was established they started higherinng new ppl.
wasnt kyle katarn once and imperial officer?
Republic/Imperial officers were not clones (if you were implying that), they were hired individually.

Originally posted by Alliance
Yes...they aged at tiwce the normal rate. Hence the oldes clones were biologically 20 at Geonosis.



I think its almost-cannon that the Emperor cloned mulitple lines for stormies. The original true troopers would have had to have been replaced as they would have been biologically 64 at the time of ANH without any normalization of their aging.

Republic/Imperial officers were not clones (if you were implying that), they were hired individually.

i know the difference between a trooper and officer.
but if your familiar with battlefront II the legion of the 501st, otherwise known as vader's fist, were introduced on geonosis and according to the game the same group of clones serve the empire until around the time the second death star is being built.
thats almost an 20 year period so the clones should have aged about 40 years.
and i dont think ther are 60 year old clones running around fighting the rebel alliance

If they started cloning 10 years before EP II, when Safadious ordered the clones, then they are 20 years old because the growth acceleration is twice as fast.
Now, if they sent out the last batch of clones at the end of EP III, 20 years later they would be 60 years old. Its possible that the clones are still around in EP IV. Unless 60 is the retirement age for clones in the empires army, or they just died off, or maybe they collected their pension, and bought some property in gungan city or something

After a while, he cloned other people, and hired the rest(It should just be hired, but whatever George). Jango Clones died out

Originally posted by darth_fidelis
i know the difference between a trooper and officer.
but if your familiar with battlefront II the legion of the 501st, otherwise known as vader's fist, were introduced on geonosis and according to the game the same group of clones serve the empire until around the time the second death star is being built.
thats almost an 20 year period so the clones should have aged about 40 years.
and i dont think ther are 60 year old clones running around fighting the rebel alliance
No. They were likely "retired."

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
After a while, he cloned other people, and hired the rest(It should just be hired, but whatever George). Jango Clones died out

I'm sure the Empire recruited as well, that explains the reduction of the % of stormies. (Compare ANH to Endor)

By ANH, most stormtroopers were recruits, clones of other soldiers and/or candidates selected for the process, and fresh batches of Jango clones.

But mostly recruits.

Really, once the bloodline was polluted, that was it.

I mean come on...watch ANH...there are left-handed stormies. LEFT HANDED! WTF.

No wonder they all get shot.

Originally posted by Alliance


I mean come on...watch ANH...there are left-handed stormies. LEFT HANDED! WTF.

No wonder they all get shot.

Dude, the real Doc Holiday was left handed. He could have done a drive by on the entire SW crew and left no one standing.

Originally posted by Alliance
Really, once the bloodline was polluted, that was it.

I mean come on...watch ANH...there are left-handed stormies. LEFT HANDED! WTF.

No wonder they all get shot.

Originally posted by Darth Scythe
Dude, the real Doc Holiday was left handed. He could have done a drive by on the entire SW crew and left no one standing.

No.

Yes, prolly.

still no one has answered my question. the legion of the 501st is the same group of clones. they are in the war at the very first battle on geonosis and continue to fight up until around the time the second death star is being built. in the 501st journal they even talk about the new recruits and how they were nothing like the old clones and that they were the only pure ones left. so they have to be like 65 year old stormies or somethin. maybe its just a flaw and the star wars saga.

Why do you think that? Where do you base your info on that the Stormies of ROTJ are one and the same as the Clones from AOTC? There is absolutley no evidence from the movies that:
a. the OT Stormies ARE clones in the first place
b. if they are clones that they are same as from AOTC.

So I think your question is rather irrelevant.

Originally posted by queeq
Why do you think that? Where do you base your info on that the Stormies of ROTJ are one and the same as the Clones from AOTC? There is absolutley no evidence from the movies that:
a. the OT Stormies ARE clones in the first place
b. if they are clones that they are same as from AOTC.

So I think your question is rather irrelevant.

go play battle front 2 and watch the videos in between each battle.
they wre the gruop of clones that killed all the jedi in the jedi temple

So? That is ROTS, twp years after AOTC... the clones would have aged four years. That's perfectly normal.

i know i was jsut letting you know they were responsible for the death of most of the jedi.

here is the link to what im takling about though.
they fought from the battle on geonisis all the way up until the battle on endor.
http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/501st/?id=eu

OKay, but that doesn't mean the 501st contained the same individuals during those 30 years. It just says that it was a special forces batallion.

Plus... more importantly.... it's EU!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by queeq
OKay, but that doesn't mean the 501st contained the same individuals during those 30 years. It just says that it was a special forces batallion.

Plus... more importantly.... it's EU!!!!!!!!!!!

okay i wasnt sure its just that in the game they have like 501st journal entries in between missions and later in the game they start talking about how the "new guys" (new recruits) are different and how they are the only "pure" clones left. and its the same guy that was in the geonosis battle thats writing these entries through out the entire game

the guy is probably in his forties by then...

Originally posted by pr1983
the guy is probably in his forties by then...
well the legion battled from geonosis until endor,
as far as the narrarator of game all i know for sure is he battled from geonosis up until around the time the second death star was being created so thats more like 50 or 60

No, even (and this is EU so that sucks) in that SW thing you posted it says most of the clones were too old already. Plus if they age twice as fast they are not 60 but 120... lousy soldiers... Although... come to think of it, that might explain why the Stormies are such bad shooters in the OT: they can't wear their glasses inside the helmets and the Parkinson isn't helping either.

Originally posted by queeq
No, even (and this is EU so that sucks) in that SW thing you posted it says most of the clones were too old already. Plus if they age twice as fast they are not 60 but 120... lousy soldiers... Although... come to think of it, that might explain why the Stormies are such bad shooters in the OT: they can't wear their glasses inside the helmets and the Parkinson isn't helping either.

ya its hard to get a good aim with parkinsons

Are there Clones in OTs or have the Empire recuited by then?

Who knows? There's no canon source for it as far as I know.

But they all have different voices that either means that they had Unclones as Troopers or they had a wider range of models I guess

Originally posted by Revan Souer
But they all have different voices that either means that they had Unclones as Troopers or they had a wider range of models I guess

well if i remember correctly in the game the narrarator says
"there was something different about the new troops, they werent pure like the rest of us"

this could either mean they recruited new stormies or that they were cloned from a different donor.

Originally posted by queeq
OKay, but that doesn't mean the 501st contained the same individuals during those 30 years. It just says that it was a special forces batallion.

"yes"

Originally posted by queeq
Who knows? There's no canon source for it as far as I know.

I agree....except Boba.

Originally posted by darth_fidelis
this could either mean they recruited new stormies or that they were cloned from a different donor.

Both happened.

How do you know? There is no canon source.

I'm cannon

Clones speak differently in the OT, so there are either new clones or recruits.

True... but which is it?

Or will the next DVD version have all the Stormies talk like a kiwi?

I think they should all talk like Foul Moudama.

Just to make sure we destroy any serious attitude throught the saga...

A throught?

Who's Foul Moudama? Eu character?

Wookiepedia him. Hes that White furry four-eyed Jedi in Clone Wars that carries the Chancellor around during Coruscant. The one who speaks through a pink funnel kazoo.

I knew: EU!!!! *raises cross to expel Alliance*

Karen Traviss

AHAHHHHHHHH more EU!!! Get the hell ouf of here with EU, go to the other forum.

A very small percentage of EU rocks.

And besides...I was making a character comparison, you put that cross down before you crucify yourself.

No EU characters here.. shoo shoo.

Shoo dodgy

AKA go away.

Originally posted by darth_fidelis
well the legion battled from geonosis until endor,
as far as the narrarator of game all i know for sure is he battled from geonosis up until around the time the second death star was being created so thats more like 50 or 60

it was until hoth wasnt it? not endor... unless that level is unlockable in story mode and not just in instant action...

and the guy starting on geonosis is probably in his early twenties... so he'd only be mid 40s at the oldest... and by then he's probably a commander or something similar... and by hoth they were already being reoplaced as you said...

And its a loose interpretation of the saga.

It is, plus they age twice as fast... so in his forties is wrong. It's 20 years later, so he'd look like he's in his 60s.

BoGeonosis - Oldest clones are 10 (biologically 20)
BoCoruscant - Oldest clones are 13 (biologically 26)
BoYavin - Oldest clones are 32 (biologically 64)
BoHoth - Oldest clones are 35 (biologically 70)

Clearly ONE trooper did not see all those battles. I dont' know if there is cannon on when the Jango-Clones stopped being produced, but even clones can't fight at 70.

No canon... all EU.

What? Dates are conidered cannon.

Lama Su clearly says that they have been "created about 10 years ago" I don't remember where i got the double growth rate from.

Originally posted by pr1983
it was until hoth wasnt it? not endor... unless that level is unlockable in story mode and not just in instant action...

and the guy starting on geonosis is probably in his early twenties... so he'd only be mid 40s at the oldest... and by then he's probably a commander or something similar... and by hoth they were already being reoplaced as you said...

ya according to the game its up until the hoth battle but if you search 501st on starwars.com and click the EU tab it says they fought on Endor too

I'm sure there's a canon source somewhere that says that the clonetroopers, in their transition to stormtroopers, invited recruits among the ranks. shrug

Originally posted by darth_fidelis
ya according to the game its up until the hoth battle but if you search 501st on starwars.com and click the EU tab it says they fought on Endor too

The 501st LEGION fought, not the actual soldiers. The 3rd US Infantry Regiment started in 1784. They fought in the war of 1812, the US Civil War, the Spanish American War, the Phillipine-American War, WWII, and Vietnam. Are ther still solders around from 1784? No.

Originally posted by darth_fidelis
ya according to the game its up until the hoth battle but if you search 501st on starwars.com and click the EU tab it says they fought on Endor too

ah, ok...

Originally posted by Alliance
The 501st LEGION fought, not the actual soldiers. The 3rd US Infantry Regiment started in 1784. They fought in the war of 1812, the US Civil War, the Spanish American War, the Phillipine-American War, WWII, and Vietnam. Are ther still solders around from 1784? No.

yeah, thats also true... but its the one guy telling the story...

Originally posted by pr1983
yeah, thats also true... but its the one guy telling the story...

Its a star wars historian.

Originally posted by Captain REX
I'm sure there's a canon source somewhere that says that the clonetroopers, in their transition to stormtroopers, invited recruits among the ranks. shrug

Canon sources are only the movies and the novels that go with it. No one mentions the 501st...

Haven't been to this thread yet...

Why did the clones stop aging?...

...they didn't!!

"Oooo. In my day, we didn't have...Spider Droids..."

Originally posted by queeq
Canon sources are only the movies and the novels that go with it. No one mentions the 501st...

Loose cannon. Things repeated over and over again

Yeah, but some seem to think canon is an encyclopedia or something that explains everything that is SW.

But I'm not doing that. I dont read those things.

What??? You watch the movies don't you? That is canon too.

I watch the movies. I can usually watch them in my head .

So you do 'read' canon.

Persay. I don't usually read EU was what I was referring too.

Ah... who does?

I read Travis' RC books.

Originally posted by Alliance
Its a star wars historian.

its one of the members of the 501st, who was at geonosis...

or are we talking about different sources?

Originally posted by queeq
So? That is ROTS, twp years after AOTC... the clones would have aged four years. That's perfectly normal.

AOTC and ROTS are THREE years apart.

Whathever... well six years... hmmm....

The problem with Battlefront II is that it makes out that the 501st legion virtually brought about the Empire single-handedly while at the same time remaining pure. That would imply that over the course of 25 years, they lost very little men while fighting in places that, when combined, should have wiped out the entire legion rather quickly.

Battlefront is not perfect canon.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Battlefront is not perfect canon.

it's EU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This comming from an EU lover?

Since when am I an EU lover????

Since you think the EU is cannon.

Whaaaat????? Where do you get such nonsense?

Its ok. I don't totally hate you for it.

And it's spelled canon... Cannon is a thing you shoot with... EU preferably.

You shoot on EU? Sticky.

Not if you hit it right.

wtf?

Now what?

I dunno.

Okay.

The clonse Facilaties were destroyed by episode 4 by the empire as they got human recruits.

And what is your canon source?

Clones were humans too bTW.

There is no canon source on that.

EU!!!

PU!!!

WHU?

TYVMNGAP!!

Maybe they snuck in some Whill DNA so they could be adults for a really long time.

Is it too far-fetched to say they could slow down aging if they could speed it up? Maybe they do stasis or bacta... something.

Or they stopped making sped up clones. Or maybe it was overlooked later.

Dooku got it done, come on clones!

So what is a Whill then?

EUEUEUEUEUEUE!!!

Well.... Whills as EU is debatable...

It is debatable...and I would win.

Not really because the early drafts of ANH carry the subtitle Journal of the Whills... so it's part of ANH lore at least.

Yoda's race, no? That's EU? So he was engineered?

There was another one in Ep 1 (Wheedle?).

Yaddle

Originally posted by queeq
Not really because the early drafts of ANH carry the subtitle Journal of the Whills... so it's part of ANH lore at least.

Yes, but we were never told of what species that was specifically...I believe.

Who says the Whills are a species? I think it has to do with some Force or Jedi thing.

Exactly! We don't even know what it is!

Read the early drafts... there is some reference to it. The Whill of the Force or something.

I'm working on it...they are kinda long though...

Yup. Read on.

I am...I am.

Faster... stop posting, keep reading.

I am multi-talented.

*tries not to laugh*

Yeah, I saw that snicker!

You were meant to.

Your not very sneaky then.

Should I be?

It's a nice asset.

I have many nice assets.

Sure you do.

Gotten quite off topic by now. CLOSING.