Iron Man vs. The Engineer

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batdude123
Both have control over machinery. Who wins? No prep and the battle takes place in New York City.

Innerhype
What are some of the feats of The Engineer?

Specifly some of the showings that'll help show that she won't be completely vaporized by Tony.

Benny G
IronMan would KICK HIS BUTT

manorastroman
engineer seems to be on an different level, but some of iron man's recent enhancements seem to be very engineer inspired...

engineer 6/10? that atom-slicing field of hers is pretty tough.

batdude123
(To BennyG)

crylaugh hysterical2

Your post just attests to how much you know about the Engineer. The Engineer is a GIRL. roll eyes (sarcastic) So essentially, you have no idea of what you're talking about. How nice...

DigiMark007
Angie has survived a nuke at ground zero, can create dozens of duplicates of herself to fight IM, can mold her body into a small armory of high-powered weaponry, and can shred things on the atomic level (at least organic matter...not sure how it would work on metal).

Tony's a beast, but he's in trouble.

Validus
Originally posted by batdude123
(To BennyG)

crylaugh hysterical2

Your post just attests to how much you know about the Engineer. The Engineer is a GIRL. roll eyes (sarcastic) So essentially, you have no idea of what you're talking about. How nice...
Better listen to the Wildstorm Encyclopedia called Batdude.

batdude123
Originally posted by Validus
Better listen to the Wildstorm Encyclopedia called Batdude.

I'm not calling myself an expert. However, I do know about the Authority. I don't rush in and say things I don't know about either. smile

DigiMark007
I thought about mentioning it, but I figured someone else would field it.

He's allowed to voice his opinion and all, but yeah, it's probably not the best idea to race to judgement with characters you've obviously never heard of or seen.

Anyway, Angie ftw. See my aobve post for reasoning.

Validus
Originally posted by batdude123
I'm not calling myself an expert. However, I do know about the Authority. I don't rush in and say things I don't know about either. smile
Damn, I had such a comeback for this post but I think I've been too hard on you lately so I'll save it for a rainy day.

batdude123
Originally posted by Validus
Damn, I had such a comeback for this post but I think I've been too hard on you lately so I'll save it for a rainy day.

What? I HAVE picked up some Authority issues recently. They're pretty good. smile

Validus
Originally posted by batdude123
What? I HAVE picked up some Authority issues recently. They're pretty good. smile
You've taken the first steps to recovery. Now you just need to flush those CA: Armageddon issues down the toilet.

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Validus
You've taken the first steps to recovery. Now you just need to flush those CA: Armageddon issues down the toilet.

yes

wink

UniOmni
Originally posted by Validus
You've taken the first steps to recovery. Now you just need to flush those CA: Armageddon issues down the toilet.

With Owaw and Zero Hour following.

Angie for the win. She's hella sexy.

batdude123
Originally posted by Validus
You've taken the first steps to recovery. Now you just need to flush those CA: Armageddon issues down the toilet.

Nah.

DigiMark007
Originally posted by UniOmni
With Owaw and Zero Hour following.

Angie for the win. She's hella sexy.

Completely true. smile

...I declare this the thread the coolest thread ever....in the past week or so.

wink

Draco69
IM is out of his league...

Validus
Originally posted by batdude123
Nah.
You're right. It'll clog the toilet. Better to go with with a good old fashioned public book burning.

DigiMark007
That's a great pic there Val...I've been meaning to use it for a while in a sig but never got around to scanning it onto my cpu from the Revolution cover. And Jenny Quantum is beyond cool....since Jeroen died, she might be my favorite on the team. cool

batdude123
Originally posted by Validus
You're right. It'll clog the toilet. Better to go with with a good old fashioned public book burning.

Nah.

Validus
Originally posted by DigiMark007
That's a great pic there Val...I've been meaning to use it for a while in a sig but never got around to scanning it onto my cpu from the Revolution cover. And Jenny Quantum is beyond cool....since Jeroen died, she might be my favorite on the team. cool
I flipped through Worldstorm #1 a couple days ago and she was referred to as Jenny Quarx. Holy hell, I hope they didn't change her name to Quarx. sick

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Draco69
IM is out of his league...



confused

manjaro
ive read every single authoirty there is and i own all but 3 trades: 7,8, and "human on the inside"..i even have all the stormwatch trades...all of them.. and i gotta say that Iron man doesnt have a prayer, it doesnt matter that he's lightning quick and he has a healing factor or his armor can record ppl's moves...he's done and thats all there is to it and if it werent for the fact that right now its pastt 1:00 am EST i would scan the shit outta all of them but just to name a few abilites:

youve already heard that she can make multiple copies of her self...on panel she did about 2 dozen.

she has artifically intelliegnt liquid metal as her blood, and she can morph any weapon she can concieve be it reg Sci-fi guns to big ass lazer cannons*coff* like Cyborg superman *coff*

she can also integrate with other metals to add mass and desnity...and bypass interface with any electronics be it terran or alien*coff* like Cyborg superman *coff* she can do this to a greater degree than iron man


in the issue "behemoth" there was a boy with the mutant ability to turn into a giant monster, and he was rampaging thru the city and destroying sky scrapres and eating everyone in sight so she ubered up and grew to match his size..also in thr TPB harsh realitys there was a world size casino in an alternate dimension that was taking bets on if they could destroy and the world and the Authoirty with it, and she infected the entire world with a nano-mine virus that not only disabled thier security but cuased all there cybernetic and armored soldiers to self destruct..

in a nut shell she is basically cyborg supes(except she's not physically as strong) and firestorm mixed into one...the things she creates with her nano machines are limited only by her imagination...and her imagination is boundless..in fact i wouldnt put it past her to create an IM doppelganger to take care of him

don't shiv
Angie's costume is the coolest

Trust Angie to cruises past the combined prep-time enhanced might of Iron Man + Doom + Mr-Fantastic + Forge

The Engineer vs Professor Q , now that is a contest.

Blair Wind
Engineer's liquid machinery doesnt do so well against magnetic storms
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticstormgl9.jpg

ehem:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4507/magnetsoff27ar.jpg

I'm not saying that Iron Man wins, but she has an exploitable weakness in magnetics and Iron Man's "powers" started there. He could concievably win erm

DigiMark007
Haha, fair enough Blair. But:
A. Do we really need to belabor this, since it already brought so much woe.
B. A weakness doesn't negate the power and versatility, both of which are >>> IM.

What if a team didn't have IM? Then they're screwed....period. Because at the highest levels (duplication, microscopic nonsense, atomic slicing, freaking gargantuan constructs, etc.) she demolishes Tony, regardless of which bells and whistles he pulls out.

Hell, she could make a construct that would probably simply be too big for him to lift. Pound, pound, pound....insta-win.

Blair Wind
who was talking about the tourney? confused




stick out tongue

Besides, dont think lifting, think magnetic fields. It would disrupt her machinery no matter what it was

DigiMark007
Originally posted by Blair Wind
who was talking about the tourney? confused




stick out tongue

Besides, dont think lifting, think magnetic fields. It would disrupt her machinery no matter what it was

So if Tony decides to use a magnetic field attack on an opponent he's never met, he could win. K, I'll bite. Angie 9/10, since I guess he'll tell his armor to magnetize the area at least once out of those.

And disrupting doesn't = destroying. A Tony-crushing construct is still just a "disrupted" Tony-crushing construct...it's really a simple win.

DigiMark007
And actually, the scan you showed wasn't even a magnetic assault. It was just Tony waxing poetic about his suit's origin. Can even IM do this "Angie-busting" attack?

SpunkySmurph
Nows your chance, Dig! Close the thread before he can respond! evillaugh

bigbran
Guardian and Engineer...
Originally posted by batdude123
crylaugh

Blair Wind
as long as he did a magnetic attack, her machinery would be disrupted. Which would mean any weapons she tried to create would probably be nothing more than a bunch of jumbled nanotech bots. Hell I *think* (and I cant back this up, but I think) Ironman has or can create an EMP. It would basically shut down her tech.

As for doing magnetic feats, Ive seen him do a few. But take magnetic manipulation + repulsar blasts like the one Tony Stark showed above thats hotter than the (surface of?) sun = unconsious engineer (the two scans after that show that)

Scoobless
Screw it ... Iron Man FTW!

There ... I said it.

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TricksterPriest
roll eyes (sarcastic) I'm sure that had nothing to do with the IM sig and avatar you have. And get that damn title out of your sig. stick out tongue Smurf said since I pwned the tournament, I should get to call myself champion. laughing

Scoobless
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hell I *think* (and I cant back this up, but I think) Ironman has or can create an EMP. It would basically shut down her tech.

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/93/empulse2mq5.th.jpg

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/3843/empulse3rn1.th.jpg

And those are from years before the Extremis upgrade.

smile

bigbran
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
roll eyes (sarcastic) I'm sure that had nothing to do with the IM sig and avatar you have. And get that damn title out of your sig. stick out tongue Smurf said since I pwned the tournament, I should get to call myself champion. laughing You dropped teh T-bomb on dat thang!

Khellendros
Originally posted by Innerhype
What are some of the feats of The Engineer?

Specifly some of the showings that'll help show that she won't be completely vaporized by Tony. Taking the Nuke to the face with only minor annoyance like Digi said.

Casually blocking a blast from a guy who was the embodiment of the sun with her armor.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Engineer's liquid machinery doesnt do so well against magnetic storms
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magneticstormgl9.jpg It gave her some trouble. So? Her sensors still worked well enough to tell her the heart of that thing was alive. And please don't imply that it was a magnetic storm that destroyed that contruct it was busting through. He flew right through it.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
ehem:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4507/magnetsoff27ar.jpg

I'm not saying that Iron Man wins, but she has an exploitable weakness in magnetics and Iron Man's "powers" started there. He could concievably win erm That thing that was messing with her had the power of the Earth's sun behind it. That's a bit out of Iron Man's power level. And she STILL ended up containing him. Pretty easily, too.

Mindship
The Engineer enlarges her boobs; Tony passes out from the redirection of blood flow.

Other than that, I don't know if this is such a clean win for the Engineer. I mean, Tony in Extremis armor has wickedly fast reaction time. How does the Engineer fare in this regard? Also, I imagine he's fought nano-powered beings before (I'd be very surprised if he hasn't).

draxx_tOfU
angie would murder tony...

yes

Martian_mind
Rofl mayo BBQ copter?

Swanky-Tuna
Originally posted by Scoobless
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/93/empulse2mq5.th.jpg

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/3843/empulse3rn1.th.jpg

And those are from years before the Extremis upgrade.

smile
That looks like he triggered it off Mandarin's own ring.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Mindship
The Engineer enlarges her boobs; Tony passes out from the redirection of blood flow.

Other than that, I don't know if this is such a clean win for the Engineer. I mean, Tony in Extremis armor has wickedly fast reaction time. How does the Engineer fare in this regard? Also, I imagine he's fought nano-powered beings before (I'd be very surprised if he hasn't).

I thought Extremis just brought his reaction times closer to human speed.

Scoobless
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I thought Extremis just brought his reaction times closer to human speed.

No, it was a total upgrade of mind, body and tech interface.

Originally posted by Mindship
I imagine he's fought nano-powered beings before (I'd be very surprised if he hasn't).

Yes, he has.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Scoobless
No, it was a total upgrade of mind, body and tech interface.

I meant just in terms of controling the armors movement that he removed the delay problem.

Flame On!!
Extrmis Iron Man is beyond anything the Engineer can do.

smile

-FO!!

guy222
Tony

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Angie wins

DigiMark007
I realize this is an old thread, but the presence of, say, a dozen duplicates for Angie should more than negate Tony's reaction-time advantage (which he does have).

My estimation of Extremis Tony has increased a lot recently (mainly from using him in the tourney). Angie still takes a majority, however.

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