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Just like it sounds.

Spider-Woman (Current)

vs.

Gambit

Fight takes place in an abandoned NY. Combatants start on top of the Daily Bugle.
No PIS

Who wins? Why?

They screw like animals. Spider Woman's phermones and Gambit's charm ability = bad porno movie with stupid French accent in the background....

Originally posted by Draco69
They screw like animals. Spider Woman's phermones and Gambit's charm ability = bad porno movie with stupid French accent in the background....

Originally posted by Draco69
They screw like animals. Spider Woman's phermones and Gambit's charm ability = bad porno movie with stupid French accent in the background....
i think gambit would try to wrk rogue in ther if it was possible

Jessica ftw

Even if she lost, I would come in and knock Gambit's head off.

Hate that guy

Originally posted by Grimm22
Hate that guy
Really, now? I hadn't notice.

Spider-Woman.

Hell, all she'd have to do is charm him, pick him up, fly him over the ledge of the Bugle, and drop him.

Say bye bye to the Cajun.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Spider-Woman.

Hell, all she'd have to do is charm him, pick him up, fly him over the ledge of the Bugle, and drop him.

Say bye bye to the Cajun.

Ah, but he can charm her, too. It's actually part of his mutant power, to charm females. Totally true.

This could be a loooooooooong match.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah, but he can charm her, too. It's actually part of his mutant power, to charm females. Totally true.

This could be a loooooooooong match.

Meh, then while their pheromones are busy combatting, she picks him up and drops him off the roof.

while she attempts to pick him up, he cracks her over the head with his adamantium staff. or just blows her uniform.

Or she zaps him with her... zappers.

how much damage do those things do, anyway?

Slight sting to killing blows...she can alter the power of them.

Gambit's fast enough to dodge most of them anyways, amping up all his physical stats with his powers.

Is she capable of dodging the projectiles that he throws? Don't downplay his throwing ability. He's on a near-bullseye level with his cards.

But seriously, Spider-Woman outclasses him physically so I'd give her the win 7/10 times.

Physically- like what?
Fighting ability- Gambit's capable of holding his own against some of the best.
Strength- If SW's is enhanced at all, then her
Agility- Gambit
Speed- Gambit's is good, but if SW is flying, then her. He's fast and agile enough to dodge whatever she's got to throw anyways.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah, but he can charm her, too. It's actually part of his mutant power, to charm females. Totally true.

This could be a loooooooooong match.

He also has the mutant power to be an overrated and annoying character

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Physically- like what?
Fighting ability- Gambit's capable of holding his own against some of the best.
Strength- If SW's is enhanced at all, then her
Agility- Gambit
Speed- Gambit's is good, but if SW is flying, then her. He's fast and agile enough to dodge whatever she's got to throw anyways.

Jessica possesses several superhuman abilities, all derived from the original experimentation that granted her her powers:

Super strength.
Hyper acute hearing.
Enhanced agility, reflexes, endurance, and speed.
Adhesive touch that allows her to cling to walls and other surfaces via electro-static attraction.
Immunity to all forms of non-corrosive toxins and poisons after an initial exposure to them. These initial exposures make her dizzy, but her metabolism quickly recovers and develops an immunity.
Imunity to all forms of radiation.
'Venom blast'. Beams of bio-electrical force (similar to a low level lightning bolt) that her body generates and stores. These blasts are directed from her hands. These blasts can range in intensity to deliver a minor shock, render someone unconscious, or even kill and have been shown to be powerful enough to puncture metal. In the past (though not originally) Jessica has been limited in her ability to generate venom-blasts and could only fire one per hour. That limitation has since faded.
Pheromone generation. Her metabolism generates phermones that make her extremely attractive to men and tend to repulse women. If she concentrates she can direct this power, making men susceptible to her will.
Flight. Initially Jessica had only limited gliding ability, enhanced by the glider like wings that are part of her costume, but after her powers were restored by HYDRA she gained full flight abilities.

That info is from wikipedia. I know it isn't the most credible source but it's pretty close. This other info is from the marveldatabase:

Known Powers: Spider-Woman's muscular density and strength have been extraordinarily enhanced, enabling her to lift (press) up to ten tons. Her reflexes, equilibrium, speed, endurance and stamina are also augmented way beyond the normal limits of a woman her age, height, and weight.

Spider-Woman's limbs can adhere to surfaces via electrostatic attraction.

Spider-Woman can hold and carry a considerable amount of extra weight while sticking to walls without falling off; it's safe to assume that the weight she can carry is dozens of times her own, and the limits of how long she can do this before fatigue sets in are still unknown.


Her hearing has also been acutely enhanced,able to detect sound at virtually any frequency, and she's been known to detect, sort out and correctly identify sounds through thick steel doors, and across considerable distances.

Her body posseses an inordinate amount of bio-electricity that she has learned to channel and discharge through her hands, in controlled bursts of what she calls "Venom Blasts". These energy projections vary in power; they mostly affect the nervous system in humans. Spider-Woman can regulate them from simply a stun to potent enough to kill an average-sized man in the same way that a lightning bolt could kill him.

Spider-Woman's body is extraordinarily limber and her tendons and connective tissues are twice as flexible as the average human being's, despite the augmented musculature and its enhanced strength.

Spider-Woman's metabolism rapidly creates powerful immunities to all forms of toxins, poisons and drugs, after an initial exposure that usually makes her dizzy. Her body is totally immune to radiation.

Her metabolism generates certain types of pheromones that ellicit atraction and/or repulsion on others, depending on unknown factors which might include gender and mood.

Recently, Jessica has shown the capability to engage in self-powered flight, without using her collapsable glider-wings. It is unclear as to the range and extent of this power.

Known Abilities: Jessica is a highly experienced fighter in many forms of armed and unarmed physical combat, that include boxing, Judo, Karate, Capoeira, swords, and many other disciplines, learned through her time as a HYDRA assassin and a SHIELD agent. She is also extensively trained in espionage, covert operations and stealth. She is a superb athlete and an Olympic-level gymnast. Due to her HYDRA espionage training, she is fluent in several languages, including Russian, Japanese, French, Spanish,Portuguese, Korean and German.
Strength Level: Superhuman, able to lift at least 10 tons.

Like I said, she's his physical superior and wins the majority. With her immunity to toxic substancess even current Gambit might not pose a serious threat.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
That info is from wikipedia. I know it isn't the most credible source but it's pretty close. This other info is from the marveldatabase:

Known Powers: Spider-Woman's muscular density and strength have been extraordinarily enhanced, enabling her to lift (press) up to ten tons. Her reflexes, equilibrium, speed, endurance and stamina are also augmented way beyond the normal limits of a woman her age, height, and weight.

Spider-Woman's limbs can adhere to surfaces via electrostatic attraction.

Spider-Woman can hold and carry a considerable amount of extra weight while sticking to walls without falling off; it's safe to assume that the weight she can carry is dozens of times her own, and the limits of how long she can do this before fatigue sets in are still unknown.


Her hearing has also been acutely enhanced,able to detect sound at virtually any frequency, and she's been known to detect, sort out and correctly identify sounds through thick steel doors, and across considerable distances.

Her body posseses an inordinate amount of bio-electricity that she has learned to channel and discharge through her hands, in controlled bursts of what she calls "Venom Blasts". These energy projections vary in power; they mostly affect the nervous system in humans. Spider-Woman can regulate them from simply a stun to potent enough to kill an average-sized man in the same way that a lightning bolt could kill him.

Spider-Woman's body is extraordinarily limber and her tendons and connective tissues are twice as flexible as the average human being's, despite the augmented musculature and its enhanced strength.

Spider-Woman's metabolism rapidly creates powerful immunities to all forms of toxins, poisons and drugs, after an initial exposure that usually makes her dizzy. Her body is totally immune to radiation.

Her metabolism generates certain types of pheromones that ellicit atraction and/or repulsion on others, depending on unknown factors which might include gender and mood.

Recently, Jessica has shown the capability to engage in self-powered flight, without using her collapsable glider-wings. It is unclear as to the range and extent of this power.

Known Abilities: Jessica is a highly experienced fighter in many forms of armed and unarmed physical combat, that include boxing, Judo, Karate, Capoeira, swords, and many other disciplines, learned through her time as a HYDRA assassin and a SHIELD agent. She is also extensively trained in espionage, covert operations and stealth. She is a superb athlete and an Olympic-level gymnast. Due to her HYDRA espionage training, she is fluent in several languages, including Russian, Japanese, French, Spanish,Portuguese, Korean and German.
Strength Level: Superhuman, able to lift at least 10 tons.

Like I said, she's his physical superior and wins the majority. With her immunity to toxic substancess even current Gambit might not pose a serious threat.

So, everything I said still holds true.

From what you've said, Jessica has ENHANCED speed, agility, ectera.
Gambit augments his physical abilities to SUPERHUMAN levels.

Superhuman > Enhanced

So, she has the flight and definite strength advantages. No question or argument about that.

I would give Gambit the range advantage, on one part because of his extraordinary abilities in that department, and onther due to the fact that he doesn't need to hit straight on. After he's charged an object, he can detonate it at will. A single charged card can have building-destroying abilities.

I would also give Gambit the H2H advantage. On his own, he's by far no slouch, and equipped with the staff, he can detonate explosions on impact. Or, even charge up her very suit.

How would her immunity to toxic substances help here?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
So, everything I said still holds true.

From what you've said, Jessica has ENHANCED speed, agility, ectera.
Gambit augments his physical abilities to SUPERHUMAN levels.

Superhuman > Enhanced

So, she has the flight and definite strength advantages. No question or argument about that.

I would give Gambit the range advantage, on one part because of his extraordinary abilities in that department, and onther due to the fact that he doesn't need to hit straight on. After he's charged an object, he can detonate it at will. A single charged card can have building-destroying abilities.

I would also give Gambit the H2H advantage. On his own, he's by far no slouch, and equipped with the staff, he can detonate explosions on impact. Or, even charge up her very suit.

How would her immunity to toxic substances help here?

I'm just saying it would if it was Death Gambit instead of classic Gambit. And since they're pretty much describe as having the same level of agility and speed, I still give it to Jessica. All it takes is one punch to K.O. the Raging Cajun. BTW, was Gambit trained by Taskmaster? I say Jessica has the advantage H2H.

Someone's turning a low-tiered character like Gambit here into Superman. Jessica Drew will not even have problems with this battle. She has so much at her disposal to consider Gambit a threat. Besides, even if all her powers were taken away, she can still use her training and experience with HYDRA and SHIELD to her advantage. Let's be more logical here guys...

SW wins this one. She has flight advantage, can also battle long distance (I'd even give her an advantage here cause while he has to use projectiles so has her ow abilities to go with). She's at least just as fast (I'd even say faster), stronger and has a h2h advantage. Jess takes it

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Gambit's fast enough to dodge most of them anyways, amping up all his physical stats with his powers.

Is she capable of dodging the projectiles that he throws? Don't downplay his throwing ability. He's on a near-bullseye level with his cards.

Jack Russel dodged Gambits cards easily and even suprised him.

Against agile opponents I dont know if he is that good.

Gambit could definatly charge Jessica's suit if he got a hold of her, he has charged people's clothing before, the result is ugly...I think the Pharamone and the Charm kind of cancel eachother out here, if they dont it turns into Porn like the other guy said, Venom blasts could get gambit from afar...Im saying Gambit 7/10

But Jessica's a flier. Gamibt isn't grabbing her suit. Al see has to worry about are his projectiles and with her speed and agility it won't be too hard for her. Gambit has to watch out for her venom blasts and since she doesn't have to charge up or anything to use it he'll most likely be on the defensive most of the time. Jess 8/10

But Gambit doesn't have to hit her. As long as the card comes within a close enough proximity to her, he can detonate it at will.

And his cards have leveled entire floors of buildings, and thats not the maximum level for their explosive capablities.

Gambit 6/10

Gambit isn't hitting SW when she is airborn, and he is not dodging her Venom blasts that on panel "are the speed of light."

Even if he managed to dodge single blasts, she can alter the range and expel them from every part of her body, he won't be dodging that.

A single venom blast can kill a normal human being, as far as I know Gambit doesn't have superhuman durability.

If it goes H2H...Jessica has been trained by both S.H.I.E.L.D and Hydra, and has the advantage of strength/speed/agility.


If that is true...Jessica whooped Taskmaster and then said "You aren't even close to the best." after he gloated for 2 pages.

Have to go Spider Woman, mainly because she out classes Gambit in power range...

Originally posted by What If...
1. Gambit isn't hitting SW when she is airborn, and he is not dodging her Venom blasts that on panel "are the speed of light."

2. Even if he managed to dodge single blasts, she can alter the range and expel them from every part of her body, he won't be dodging that.

3. A single venom blast can kill a normal human being, as far as I know Gambit doesn't have superhuman durability.

4. If it goes H2H...Jessica has been trained by both S.H.I.E.L.D and Hydra, and has the advantage of strength/speed/agility.

1. Again, he doesn't have to hit her. And he doesn't have to dodge the blast, just move before she shoots.

2. Thats fairly OoC for Jessica to do. Even then, their on top of the daily bugle... Gambit could sale down the side, or use any aspect of the environment to dodge such a blast.

3. No, she can power a blast so that it POTENTIALLY kill a human being with one hit. She'll probably underestimate Gambit, and wont charge such a blast. Even then, Gambit has superhuman agility. He can dodge before she shoots.

4. If it goes H2H, Gambit has an adamantium staff...
that can explode on contact with her...
or he can just charge up her suit...

Not to mention, he probably has better aim then her with his cards, and DOESN'T NEED TO HIT HER for them to severley damage her.

Tell me about Gambit's charming ability, I've never seen him stop an enemy in their tracks.



So when an area of energy is flying at Gambit at the speed of light, he is going to run to the edge, hop down, and scale it? Mhmm.

http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spiderwoman5vz5.png
This Venom Blast left 100's of people at peak human durabilty (just like Gambit) unconscious. A more concentrated, smaller area blast would have even worse consequences.

Originally posted by What If...
Tell me about Gambit's charming ability, I've never seen him stop an enemy in their tracks.



So when an area of energy is flying at Gambit at the speed of light, he is going to run to the edge, hop down, and scale it? Mhmm.

http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spiderwoman5vz5.png
This Venom Blast left 100's of people at peak human durabilty (just like Gambit) unconscious. A more concentrated, smaller area blast would have even worse consequences.

Well, I'd expect Gambit's charming ability probably isn't as strong as SW's (which, I'm sure you know, stop an enraged Wrecker and made him like a child.)

However, for that to work, she had to be up close. There won't be any CIS here that gives her enough time to let her up close, and have a conversation with Gambit. He would just crack an exploding staff against her head if she came within range.

She doesn't fly at the speed of light... and if theres a fire escape, or anything whatsoever on the side of the building (or nearby buildings), I find that very plausible

Correct, it would have worse consequences. IF that was IC for her to use against one single man, and IF it hit him.

And you ignored the rest of my post. I'm not saying Gambit takes a healthy majority, but he SHOULD take a majority.

I'm not saying she flys at the speed of light, but her energy blasts do.
I don't think you understand what I'M saying...

If a sphere of energy directed at a certain spot is coming at Gambit at the speed of light, lets say 40 feet above his head, he isn't going to have time to run to the side of the building, and jump off...he will be KO'ed

I really don't think Gambit should have the majority, she outclasses him in every but H2H (and only because he has a wepaon.)

His artilery is eventually going to run out, she flys....flight is what is going to give SW the majority.

spider woman

Originally posted by What If...
I'm not saying she flys at the speed of light, but her energy blasts do.
I don't think you understand what I'M saying...

If a sphere of energy directed at a certain spot is coming at Gambit at the speed of light, lets say 40 feet above his head, he isn't going to have time to run to the side of the building, and jump off...he will be KO'ed

I really don't think Gambit should have the majority, she outclasses him in every but H2H (and only because he has a wepaon.)

His artilery is eventually going to run out, she flys....flight is what is going to give SW the majority.

Obviously Gambit can't dodge her if the blast is already fired. But it's the same concept as someone dodging one of Cyclops eye blasts (only this is much, much more plausible)

She aims... he moves... she fires.
She misses. You see?

Gambit also has better aim, and better ranged attacks. Lets say he charges a card. She aims. He ducks behind a ventillator. She hits the metal device. He throws his card. She moves a bit to avoid it. It still comes within ten feet of her, and releases an explosion capable of levelling a building.

Game over.

Gambit 6/10

i'm fairly sure gambit is faster than jessica drew. does she have any speed feats i should be aware of?

She isn't directing her hands at him, the energy emits off every place on her body, there would be NO WAY he would know which way to move.

Spider-woman could just swhoop down, touch the roofing, and the whole area would be buzzing with electrical energy that would easily KO Gambit.
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sw24jw.jpg


Besides the usual dodging punches, etc...
She threw a lamp post, then jumped in front of it...I don't see how you could get much faster.
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spiderwoman12ye2.png

She was also fast enough to grab then stab Wolverine with his own claws before he could react

http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spiderwomanwolverine1ij4.jpg

http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spiderwomanwolverine2cv1.jpg

Originally posted by What If...
She isn't directing her hands at him, the energy emits off every place on her body, there would be NO WAY he would know which way to move.

Spider-woman could just swhoop down, touch the roofing, and the whole area would be buzzing with electrical energy that would easily KO Gambit.
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sw24jw.jpg


OR, He could dodge behind something, as I've repeatedly said. Gambit is a master of using the environment to his advantage. And, possibly due to CIS, SW almost always uses her fingers. It's not about what she can do, it's about what she would do.

And, the 'charging the roof' thing is plausible for both of them, so while she COULD swoop down to touch it, Gambit COULD have already charged it... something he's done repeatedly in the past

Originally posted by What If...
Besides the usual dodging punches, etc...
She threw a lamp post, then jumped in front of it...I don't see how you could get much faster.
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spiderwoman12ye2.png

She was also fast enough to grab then stab Wolverine with his own claws before he could react

http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spiderwomanwolverine1ij4.jpg

http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spiderwomanwolverine2cv1.jpg


Hyperbole. She never jumped in front of the lamp post. She just tackled the guy's legs a milisecond before it hit him. Basically, she momentarily caught up. That can't be measured as travel speed (which is whats relevant in this match) because it's the speed of a leap and not running or flying.

As for the second one, thats not even a speed feat. Even if it was, it's combat speed and not travel speed. That's only relevant in H2H battles...

Which, I repeat, would be a very bad choice for SW

Spider-woman's venom blasts have crushed tanks....there is NOTHING on that roof that will not be destroyed along with Gambit.


Again, Spider-woman has the flight advantage...she could easily escape an exploding roof while Gambit can't....no matter how hard he trys to scale or climb down a fire ladder....


We aren't certain if its a sprint/leap or flying...
but go throw a baseball and then try to jump/sprint in front of it before it hits the target.
(I'm assuming a class 10ish throwing a rather small lamp post would would be the equivalent of a human throwing a baseball)



wrong.

That quote only proves that she is ALLOWED to use that tactic on the forum. When it is propper for the threat. It doesn't say anything about CIS. Spider-Woman, like it or not, is not going to power up her venom blasts to tank-destroying level when she's battling one singular man.

I believe the propper quote would be this:


Originally posted by Forum Rules
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

Now you are just getting into "she could win, but you she wouldn't try hard enough."
I can come up witth 1,000 scenarios for the battle, but 'like it or not' she could easily win with 2 steps
1: fly
2: unleash a large venom blast.

When Invisibile Woman or Jean are used in fights, people see them as automatically putting a bubble in the brain or frying the brain, Jessica will win 10/10 with that tactic she has used.

Originally posted by What If...
Now you are just getting into "she could win, but you she wouldn't try hard enough."
I can come up witth 1,000 scenarios for the battle, but 'like it or not' she could easily win with 2 steps
1: fly
2: unleash a large venom blast.

When Invisibile Woman or Jean are used in fights, people see them as automatically putting a bubble in the brain or frying the brain, Jessica will win 10/10 with that tactic she has used.

I never said she wouldn't try hard enough. But it's the same reason that Cyclops doesn't unleash an omniblast on every single opponent. The same reason Spiderman always pulls his punches.

As for everyone else, that's a useless argument unless you ever see me do that. I'd tell them the same way. If you follow forum rules, then Jessica is not gonna light everything up.

And still,

Gambit 6/10